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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Yenny on August 06, 2008, 02:11:46 AM
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tnb or bnz! discuss!
I found both very enjoyable and has its own envelope. Both has its own unique characteristic that are easy to perform but very hard to master. They both compliment each other in its own style, BnZ can't go well w/o knowing how to TnB. TnB is fine for 1 vs 1, but when it comes to 1 vs 4 the pilot might needs to adapt to bnz or E fight to make it out. Anyway, just my 8 months experience.
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Depends on the fighter I am in.
If I am flying an A6M then turn and burn is more fun, and boom and zoom is often frustrating.
If I am flying an Fw190 boom and zoom becomes fun (not boom and run away) but pure turn and burn can be frusterating.
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I;ve found that most people like the n1kaho n1ka hiney ho method....I mean style
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I did a bit of everything yesterday. I TnB'd w/ my 109K4, BnZ'd with some 190A8s and 190Doras, and even did a combo of both with a P-51. :rock :rock
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At some point you get over styles...
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At some point you get over styles...
and create your own.... :noid
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i have no style.
you can find me strewn about the virtual landscape though :rofl
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TnB in fighters built to BnZ :aok
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If you want to discuss style, you need to talk to the Lgay pilots. Their shoes always match their flight suits. :D
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and create your own.... :noid
Which in my case is very inferior :lol
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At some point you get over styles...
I did the first time I saw Shreck drop flaps in a 262 and tuck in behind me. :O
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I like to get in down 'n' dirty E fights in the Fw190A5 and Ta152H1.
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Nothing is better in AH than blowing up some BnZ weenie as you reverse on them. Even better if they have just ran from a fight with you, and come back to try and pick while you are engaged... oh that is sweet.
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I spent a lot of time trying to get down n dirty w/ my D9. I can't kill anything, but it also take my enemies a good 2-3 min to kill my D9. I've heard there was some really good D9 stick at tnb, I forgot his name. I tried to look for some of his movies but I couldn't find anything. He quitted maybe 3 years ago. <-- still looking for a good D9 tnb movie so I can take some note.
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I spent a lot of time trying to get down n dirty w/ my D9. I can't kill anything, but it also take my enemies a good 2-3 min to kill my D9. I've heard there was some really good D9 stick at tnb, I forgot his name. I tried to look for some of his movies but I couldn't find anything. He quitted maybe 3 years ago. <-- still looking for a good D9 tnb movie so I can take some note.
Hmmm... only thing i can think of here is Nath - but he flew 190A-8. Possibly you are thinking of him?
I can't recall anyone like that for the D-9.
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What does BnZer do when BnZed by higher con?
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If you want to discuss style, you need to talk to the Lgay pilots. Their shoes always match their flight suits. :D
bwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Hmmm... only thing i can think of here is Nath - but he flew 190A-8. Possibly you are thinking of him?
I can't recall anyone like that for the D-9.
Oh that's it Nath ! I'm still trying to find some of his movie. I did a few search, I could see his text and technique in literature but I can't find any movies. I can imagine what he says but not fully pictures it in my head. =/
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What does BnZer do when BnZed by higher con?
Work him Co-E with a slight dive, reverse/overshoot, rinse, repeat
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I spent a lot of time trying to get down n dirty w/ my D9. I can't kill anything, but it also take my enemies a good 2-3 min to kill my D9. I've heard there was some really good D9 stick at tnb, I forgot his name. I tried to look for some of his movies but I couldn't find anything. He quitted maybe 3 years ago. <-- still looking for a good D9 tnb movie so I can take some note.
Same here Yenny. Lesson in futility. I think m00t's pretty good at knife-fighting with a Dora though, and the 152 too for that matter.
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What does BnZer do when BnZed by higher con?
Dive, rolling like a mad man to the deck, in the direction of the nearest friendly ack. Duh :huh
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Work him Co-E with a slight dive, reverse/overshoot, rinse, repeat
BnZ plane vs BnZ plane it's an easier fight. Unless you're talking D9 vs F4U-4 or Temp. FW v. 51 or FW v. 47s or other FW. are usually a good fair match.
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Same here Yenny. Lesson in futility. I think m00t's pretty good at knife-fighting with a Dora though, and the 152 too for that matter.
I don't think I've seen m00t in D9, almost everytime I run into him. He would be in 152. On this note, what are the advantage 152 have over D9 for tnb action? With it's longer wing, it seems to handles a lot better at slower speed and low alt, at the same time it seems to have a bad roll rate compare to the rest of the other 190s.
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Same here Yenny. Lesson in futility. I think m00t's pretty good at knife-fighting with a Dora though, and the 152 too for that matter.
I very rarely very see moot in a d9 most of his time is in a 152.
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I don't think I've seen m00t in D9, almost everytime I run into him. He would be in 152. On this note, what are the advantage 152 have over D9 for tnb action? With it's longer wing, it seems to handles a lot better at slower speed and low alt, at the same time it seems to have a bad roll rate compare to the rest of the other 190s.
from flying it i know it has some terrible stall quailties and a crap load of wierdy querky fm issues..
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I can't remember ever seeing Nath put films up with his flying? I can recall Morph putting one up but that was more to take the piss out of Birdo.
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What Vudak said. I'll TnB anything really.
Never liked BnZ'ing.
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I think the only thing genuine that you can know it's me now is the way I fly the P-39. Just about anyone who TnB's (except zekes and Hurri 2cs) with me remembers it. :aok
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An interesting thing happened in those fights between 70 and 220 last night. Despite the fact that there were lots of folks flying there, a number of individual fights broke out and at least in my case, I don't recall any where my team mates didn't ask if they should stay out. I know it happened on the other side too. For a TnB guy it was the best of both worlds as there were some big, get into the mix, and see how long you can keep going fights, as well as some great knife fights.
In that regards TnB will always be more fun for me. Had there been those guys sitting on top just ripping through, shooting and running, it would have been much less fun.
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In that regards TnB will always be more fun for me. Had there been those guys sitting on top just ripping through, shooting and running, it would have been much less fun.
BnZ is more fun if it pisses the other guy off :D
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BnZ is more fun if it pisses the other guy off :D
Yea, that's one of the thing that I like about BnZ :D
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I don't think I've seen m00t in D9, almost everytime I run into him. He would be in 152. On this note, what are the advantage 152 have over D9 for tnb action? With it's longer wing, it seems to handles a lot better at slower speed and low alt, at the same time it seems to have a bad roll rate compare to the rest of the other 190s.
You guys are right, the more I think about it, he's mostly in a 152. But I don't think he'll hesitate to get up close and personal in the 152. As far as the 152's flight characteristics.. yeah, it's a total squirrel.
If you haven't already read it, read what happened to Lusche in a 152:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,242874.0.html
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BnZ is more fun if it pisses the other guy off :D
Yep, you can almost hear the poor surprised basterdd going "What The F**K!" as you blow by at 500+ mph.:D I did this to a C-Hog on the deck one time and was rewarded with bloody mullet all over my prop and windscreen.:D Very satisfying. :aok
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You guys are right, the more I think about it, he's mostly in a 152. But I don't think he'll hesitate to get up close and personal in the 152. As far as the 152's flight characteristics.. yeah, it's a total squirrel.
If you haven't already read it, read what happened to Lusche in a 152:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,242874.0.html
I read the post you linked, and saw the pictures. I didn't see the film though, because I'm at work. It seems similiar to the D9. To me the D9 seems to have a random snap roll. Well, it's not really random. It's more of as you start pulling G. However, it seems to snap roll at any speed. I've done it from 450 knts and I try to pull out of a dive OTD, pulling about 5-6G. I've also done it at 2G while doing 150 knts in a turnfight situation.
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What does BnZer do when BnZed by higher con?
Piss their pants and run to the nearest ack/friendly.
ack-ack
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I've heard there was some really good D9 stick at tnb, I forgot his name.
m00t
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NathBDP 190 Film (http://www.mediafire.com/?tawa8caajpa)
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m00t
Never seen m00t in D9 though, just 152.
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I read the post you linked, and saw the pictures. I didn't see the film though, because I'm at work. It seems similiar to the D9. To me the D9 seems to have a random snap roll. Well, it's not really random. It's more of as you start pulling G. However, it seems to snap roll at any speed. I've done it from 450 knts and I try to pull out of a dive OTD, pulling about 5-6G. I've also done it at 2G while doing 150 knts in a turnfight situation.
Did you read Tango's analysis in that post of what he thinks happened? It's not really a snap roll per se, it's an adverse yaw problem common to high-aspect ratio wings (basically a higher yawing moment due to asymmetric wing drag. Looks like Lusche was trying his hand at drifting. ;)
I've experienced the snap roll problem you're talking about in the D9, and yeah, it seems to happen at any speed.
What were you doing turn-fighting at 150 kts in a Dora? Even the CV's have better turn performance.
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NathBDP 190 Film (http://www.mediafire.com/?tawa8caajpa)
Sweet, thanks very much.
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Did you read Tango's analysis in that post of what he thinks happened? It's not really a snap roll per se, it's an adverse yaw problem common to high-aspect ratio wings (basically a higher yawing moment due to asymmetric wing drag. Looks like Lusche was trying his hand at drifting. ;)
I've experienced the snap roll problem you're talking about in the D9, and yeah, it seems to happen at any speed.
What were you doing turn-fighting at 150 kts in a Dora? Even the CV's have better turn performance.
You'd be suprise, how well the roll rate help the D9 at low speed OTD tnb though. Only problem is once the enemy overshot, you just can't nose up for a snap shot. I spent a buncha time in the last few tour taking D9 at 5k in TT trying to define its tnb capability.
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You'd be suprise, how well the roll rate help the D9 at low speed OTD tnb though. Only problem is once the enemy overshot, you just can't nose up for a snap shot. I spent a buncha time in the last few tour taking D9 at 5k in TT trying to define its tnb capability.
Usually there's an enemy niki or spit on hand that's more than willing to define it for me. :uhoh
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Usually there's an enemy niki or spit on hand that's more than willing to define it for me. :uhoh
I mean it's a suicide mission. I usually never bring the bird back home after taking it out for a tnb run. It's fun trying it though in D9 though, just to be a lil different.
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Dive, rolling like a mad man to the deck, in the direction of the nearest friendly ack. Duh :huh
Piss their pants and run to the nearest ack/friendly.
:aok
Based on empirical evidence and testimony of above individuals, we can say that BnZ lacks style. :D
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TNB is more fun in my opinion.
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NathBDP 190 Film (http://www.mediafire.com/?tawa8caajpa)
I like how everyone just land on the water !
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Back in the day Shawk was the D9 master. I think he really got bored with it and moved on to the F4u-C so he could HO everything...
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Back in the day Shawk was the D9 master. I think he really got bored with it and moved on to the F4u-C so he could HO everything...
F4Us are easy mode compare to 190s though. It can do just everything 190 can 3 times better!
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F4Us are easy mode compare to 190s though. It can do just everything 190 can 3 times better!
Umm.. Top level speed? Sustained climb rate? ;)
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Umm.. Top level speed? Sustained climb rate? ;)
Well in the sense of bnzming and tnb ability the F4U-C and F4U-4 have over D9 ! oh i got my 2cents in the NATH thread b4 the lock woot!
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TnB more fun no matter what plane!
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TnB more fun no matter what plane!
What he said..............
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I like them both especially in a P40/51.