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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Getback on August 09, 2008, 02:08:54 AM
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Has anyone noticed that while the government wants us all to cut back on about everything and they haven't sacrificed a thing. What would you cut to make the government more effecient?
I'll start. I would cut about every educational program and let the local communities decide what they want.
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I would start with taxes in fact lets cut the IRS. Who needs them?
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What would you cut to make the government more effecient?
Any agency that uses an acronym to describe itself.
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Loans from a Communist nation.
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Everything, let's start over again. We have a pretty damn good blueprint on our hands.
Force an election where none who has served already can run (no incumbents), or just pick 435 + 100 names out of the phone book. Those elected/selected get their last month's salary + inflation. Can serve one term only and then back to where you came from. No bennies, just the extension of what you had before your term. NOTHING extra after you leave.
Now, this is what I call a service to your country.
Abolish all laws as of some future date, and then before that happens, force a vote on all of them. The obviously good/productive ones will pass over and over. Pork and socialist crap will fail every time.
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What should the government cut?
As for Congress, their throats would be a great start.
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here it is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Cut
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:noid :noid :noid there enforcement ability :noid :noid :noid
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I believe that any program that has a "department" in front of it or any program that uses initials to describe itself should go first.
There are only two things the government should do and that is raise an army and provide for the courts. they can have federal marshals for the courts.
lazs
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Loans to any nation.
Fixed!
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All 'law enforcement' agencies with overlapping roles. Too many guys with guns on a mission.
As a side note, though, isn't the biggest cost to our gov't Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security? Those programs need some serious work and I'm not sure there's a good answer for that. You could probably take a level of bureaucracy out by making them entirely state run.
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yep.. the government should never have gotten into those businesses in the first place.
they can fix social security tho.. just raise the age for bennies to 80 and don't give any to anyone who never paid in.
lazs
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The Department of Education, completely.
The Internal Revenue Service, by 90% (it doesn't take much to administer a flat tax).
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, again by 90%.
That's a start.
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Has anyone noticed that while the government wants us all to cut back on about everything and they haven't sacrificed a thing. What would you cut to make the government more effecient?
I'll start. I would cut about every educational program and let the local communities decide what they want.
federal, state, county, borough, township, or all of the aforementioned?
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Everything, let's start over again. We have a pretty damn good blueprint on our hands.
Force an election where none who has served already can run (no incumbents), or just pick 435 + 100 names out of the phone book. Those elected/selected get their last month's salary + inflation. Can serve one term only and then back to where you came from. No bennies, just the extension of what you had before your term. NOTHING extra after you leave.
Now, this is what I call a service to your country.
dude.......THAT is genius, and kind of an obvious solution. it's a crying shame it can never happen though.
knowing that they'd go back to what they came from/created? the govt would become the epitomy of effeciency.
<<S>> :aok
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Ok, now how many of you will actually vote Libertarian? Vote for change?
Probably 5% tops; the rest of yas will be like the rest of the sheeple and flock things up by voting either Rep or Dem.
Sad truth.
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The Department of Education, completely.
The Internal Revenue Service, by 90% (it doesn't take much to administer a flat tax).
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, again by 90%.
That's a start.
I think the Fair Tax (not a flat tax but a consumption tax) is the best solution. Anyone buying anything then pays taxes and all the embedded taxes we have now would vanish! Prices of cars and even gasoline would come down. America would be a tax haven and businesses and manufacturing would return to our shores! Our politicians have killed our Economy!
The reason I quoted you was that we dont need the IRS at all. Consumption taxes can be collected by the states individual departments of agriculture the same agency that regulates weights and measures.
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Ok, now how many of you will actually vote Libertarian? Vote for change?
Probably 5% tops; the rest of yas will be like the rest of the sheeple and flock things up by voting either Rep or Dem.
Sad truth.
remember too thank Ross Perot for that
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Ok, now how many of you will actually vote Libertarian? Vote for change?
Probably 5% tops; the rest of yas will be like the rest of the sheeple and flock things up by voting either Rep or Dem.
Sad truth.
Indeed.
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Ok, now how many of you will actually vote Libertarian? Vote for change?
Probably 5% tops; the rest of yas will be like the rest of the sheeple and flock things up by voting either Rep or Dem.
Sad truth.
Run for ward janitor, already.
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Ok, now how many of you will actually vote Libertarian? Vote for change?
Probably 5% tops; the rest of yas will be like the rest of the sheeple and flock things up by voting either Rep or Dem.
Sad truth.
C'mon man. With the amount of statements that have been made that are little more then official soundbites from the RNC around (and a few from the DNC)here lately you have to ask that question?
Just a "Rah! Rah! Go Team!" Mentality. No original thought required. The panic has already set in and pre programing has been activated.
They will now follow their masters like good little robots to the end of the earth and beyond
But Im guessing that was just a rhetorical question on your part
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Cuts I would make.
Make it illegal for direct or indirect campaign contributions of any kind to a candidate.
All contributions wold have to be made to a national pool which would be divided evenly among all candidates and that would be ALL they would be allowed to spend. With their funds being accounted for down tot he penny with no exemptions.
Cut access of corporations and special intrest groups to elected officials
Institute an equal access amendment to the Constitution forbidding any elected official to grant access to special intrest groups or corporations any more then they do the private citizen
Cut the health and retirement benifits of public officials to the same amount the lowest paid government employee gets.
Reduce double dipping by public officials. One pension, one benifit package, one salary reguardless of how many government positions you hold.
Cut funding to federal prisons by 50%
If a shoplifter in jail doesnt get a tennis court. Then neither should a convicted government official.
Or those convicted of bribing government officials. Jail should be jail...period.
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Everything, let's start over again. We have a pretty damn good blueprint on our hands.
Force an election where none who has served already can run (no incumbents), or just pick 435 + 100 names out of the phone book. Those elected/selected get their last month's salary + inflation. Can serve one term only and then back to where you came from. No bennies, just the extension of what you had before your term. NOTHING extra after you leave.
Now, this is what I call a service to your country.
Abolish all laws as of some future date, and then before that happens, force a vote on all of them. The obviously good/productive ones will pass over and over. Pork and socialist crap will fail every time.
Any person that wants power is not to be trusted with it.
This is a good plan. The people I'd trust the most to run this country are the people that don't want power.
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Everything, let's start over again. We have a pretty damn good blueprint on our hands.
Force an election where none who has served already can run (no incumbents), or just pick 435 + 100 names out of the phone book. Those elected/selected get their last month's salary + inflation. Can serve one term only and then back to where you came from. No bennies, just the extension of what you had before your term. NOTHING extra after you leave.
Now, this is what I call a service to your country.
Abolish all laws as of some future date, and then before that happens, force a vote on all of them. The obviously good/productive ones will pass over and over. Pork and socialist crap will fail every time.
Yeah, but which phonebook to use...I can think of some entire area codes' that should NEVER produce a gov't. official.
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cut welfare and pork
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doesn't anyone have a government program that they think is great and needs MORE funding?
As for libertarian.. I have wasted my vote on libertarians probly more than anyone here over the years.
Face it.. there just aren't many people who are comfortable with freedom..
lazs
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doesn't anyone have a government program that they think is great and needs MORE funding?
NASA. I'd triple NASA funding, with the requirement that they resuscitate the X-38 for low earth orbit winged reentry access to the ISS.
Put it on top of a shuttle SRB and fly 4 or 5 'nauts to the ISS. that way we don't have all our orbital eggs in one basket again with the Orion system.
(http://www.aerospaceguide.net/space_planes/x38.jpg)
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Lifetime salarys for politicians AFTER they leave office
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doesn't anyone have a government program that they think is great and needs MORE funding?
As for libertarian.. I have wasted my vote on libertarians probly more than anyone here over the years.
Face it.. there just aren't many people who are comfortable with freedom..
lazs
College scholarships
Veterans benefits.
Work training programs.
About the only thing that Carter did right was his work training programs. Around here is was called CETA. I know it went by different names in different areas. This was a GOOD program. Unfortunately its the one thing I can fault Regan for as he cut it.
These programs arent just handouts for the lazy.Or "bridges to nowhere" They are investments in the future.
They help people to help themselves and the return over the long haul is far greater then the investment.
I know alot of people who got their start in such programs. Myself included.
After my father split. One such program helped my mother get us back off foodstamps after only a few months re enter the workforce and as a result was able to raise two kids BY HERSELF. Without relying on welfare
She now owns her own home and is able to retire in at least semi reasonable comfort.
Libertarianism is on the rise. becoming more and more popular. Even the big two are starting to take it more and more seriously.
It will in the not to distant future become a real force as it gains in influence.so your vote wasnt wasted.
Its helped lay the groundwork for another option.
Think of it as an investment in the future.
Gotta crawl before you can walk.
"Wasted vote" is a BS term used if you notice by only the two biggies to get you to vote for them.
I remember "A Vote for Nader is a vote for Bush" then there is the bogus Perot claim in Bush Sr. vs Clinton.
but thats already been easily debunked
A vote is only "wasted" if you either dont really like either party but vote for them anyway.
And of course the biggest and truest form of wasted vote.
Is the vote that isnt cast at all
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Cut all services to Illegals, get out of NAFTA, chit can the ( so-called) North American Union and remove all supporters from Government jobs and public office.
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NAFTA was a good idea, just shouldn't have included Mexico.
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Cut all foreign funding of governments that hate us or sponsor any type of terrorism against us.
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Cut all foreign funding of governments that hate us or sponsor any type of terrorism against us.
Ok...so that leaves Israel....
(And more than a few Americans hate THEM :lol)
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Ok...so that leaves Israel....
(And more than a few Americans hate THEM :lol)
3 billion a year we give them...
..and we think of them as 'allies'. Israel has never and will never do a damn thing for anybody but Israel.
For proof: USS Liberty.
read and wonder....
http://www.gtr5.com/ (http://www.gtr5.com/)
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dred and holden.. I believe that NASA could be looked at as a military, and necessary, program.
schools of any kind? nope. If there is a need then the private sector will fill it. It is not an investment to send kids to 4 years of college so that they can learn the liberal arts and become a bartender. Or "journalism" so that they can "change the world".
Nope.. raise an army to kill people and break things and run a court system to make sure that everyone gets a fair shake.
lazs
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3 billion a year we give them...
..and we think of them as 'allies'. Israel has never and will never do a damn thing for anybody but Israel.
For proof: USS Liberty.
read and wonder....
http://www.gtr5.com/ (http://www.gtr5.com/)
3 Billion, thats it? We spend more than a TRILLION dollars on Welfare and dead-beats alone. Compared to that, 3 Billion a YEAR isn't that much.
Israel is a small country, and Iran probably wouldn't hesitate to pounce on them and kill every single Jew there.
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Bush's throat. :aok
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1)foreign aid. we give constantly. we need to fix problems at home first, then possibly go back to helping those that actually need it.
2)welfare. it's intentions were originally good, but the welfare system has been destroyed and abused.
3)any dept. not critical to the government functioning properly, and protecting the people.
probably more, but that's all i can think of at the moment.......
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dred and holden.. I believe that NASA could be looked at as a military, and necessary, program.
Some of NASA does good scientific work. A lot of NASA is wasteful spending, like the shuttle.
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3 Billion, thats it? We spend more than a TRILLION dollars on Welfare and dead-beats alone. Compared to that, 3 Billion a YEAR isn't that much.
Israel is a small country, and Iran probably wouldn't hesitate to pounce on them and kill every single Jew there.
The Israeli economy is in far better shape than ours. Their military has no equal in the region. They have tactical and strategic nukes.
They should be sending US 3 billion a year. We need it more than they do.
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Ok, now how many of you will actually vote Libertarian? Vote for change?
Probably 5% tops; the rest of yas will be like the rest of the sheeple and flock things up by voting either Rep or Dem.
Sad truth.
Me!!!!! I will do it just because they are different. I haven't voted for a mainstream candidate since GWB Senior back when I didn't know any better and that was my first presidential voting experience. The second time around I voted for Ross Perot; just because I didn't want the F*** Up Clinton in office.
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I'm not American but same same snap snap......start with their salaries.
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dred and holden.. I believe that NASA could be looked at as a military, and necessary, program.
schools of any kind? nope. If there is a need then the private sector will fill it. It is not an investment to send kids to 4 years of college so that they can learn the liberal arts and become a bartender. Or "journalism" so that they can "change the world".
Nope.. raise an army to kill people and break things and run a court system to make sure that everyone gets a fair shake.
lazs
I dont have time to cheack right now but,
I dont remember saying anything about cuts to NASA.
NASA is one of those things I would give more funding to.
Its my ticket off this planet someday.
to escape the insanity LOL
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I dont have time to cheack right now but,
I dont remember saying anything about cuts to NASA.
NASA is one of those things I would give more funding to.
Its my ticket off this planet someday.
to escape the insanity LOL
agreed. nasa does good stuff. someday(hopefully very soon) sll their work wil pay off.
what they DO need to do though, is to go out to the mojave spaceport, and take a few lessons from thje guys at scaled composites, and possibly vulcan engineering.
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Whatever gives people welfare. Cut it 80%, make them damn dead-beats find a job. :rock
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NASA has already paid off, i give you Velcro, among many other things.
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NASA has already paid off, i give you Velcro, among many other things.
The hook-loop fastener was invented in 1941 by Swiss engineer, George de Mestral who lived in Commugny, Switzerland.
Now Tang, that... wait the original orange flavored Tang was formulated by General Foods Corporation in 1957.
OK, Teflon... no, DuPont developed that in 1938...
What the hell did NASA spin off?
Scratch resistant lenses, golf ball areodynamic improvements, Dustbuster, shock-absorbing helmets, home security systems, smoke detectors, flat panel televisions, high-density batteries, trash compactors, food packaging and freeze-dried technology, cool sportswear, sports bras, hair styling appliances, fogless ski goggles, self-adjusting sunglasses, composite golf clubs, solid state cooler/warmers, ozone generators for pool cleaning w/no chemicals, Whale identification method, environmental analysis, noise abatement, pollution measuring devices, pollution control devices, smokestack monitor, radioactive leak detector, earthquake prediction system, sewage treatment, energy saving air conditioning, and air purification.Arteriosclerosis detection, ultrasound scanners, automatic insulin pump, portable x-ray device, invisible braces, dental arch wire, palate surgery technology, clean room apparel, implantable heart aid, MRI, bone analyzer, and cataract surgery tools.
among others.
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NASA has already paid off, i give you Velcro, among many other things.
Velcro I beleive is the one thing attributed tot he space program. that isnt.
It was actually teh idea of a guy who had gone on a walk and had the idea when he had to pull off those round spiked plant pods that get stick iin your socks
Overall, the invention of Velcro was an interesting and detailed process. Shortly after George de Mestral discovered the hook and loop design of the grass burrs, he shared his findings with his family friend, Alfred Gonet.12 Recognizing the potential of a practical new fastener, de Mestral quit his job as an engineer, received a loan for $150,000 from the bank, and began experimenting with ways to recreate the hook design of the common burr.14 Immediately, he conversed with fabric and cloth experts who worked with different types of woven and knit cloth in Lyon, France. The city of Lyon, at this time, was a worldwide center for weaving.15 At first, de Mestral's proposal met with ridicule and resistance, but the inventor stuck by his ideas. Together with a weaver from a textile plant in France, de Mestral worked to perfect his hook and loop fastener, which he initally wanted to label "locking tape."16 Cotton was the first material that successfully transformed into this hook design, but it was too expensive to mass produce.17 So de Mestral experimented with other fabrics. All in all, it took de Mestral eight years of trial and error until he developed a successful design.18 Oddly enough, it was by accident that he realized that nylon, when sewn under infrared light, formed tough hooks for the burr side of the fastener.19 Using this as his guideline, de Mestral developed a two-sided fastener in which one side had stiff "hooks" like the burrs and the other side had soft "loops" like the fabric of his pants. This discovery was a very simple way to attach two things.
In 1951, de Mestral was granted a patent in Switzerland for his new product, which he named Velcro. French for the word "hook," Velcro is derived from the words "velours" and "crochet." 20 In 1952, with the support of a company called Gonet & Company, de Mestral began the first Velcro company called Velcro S.A. in Switzerland. Velcro S.A. received additional patents in ten other countries, including the United States.
A list of NASA spinoffs
http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html
Among them
SEMICONDUCTOR CUBING - NASA initiative led to the Memory Short Stack, a three-dimensional semiconductor package in which dozens of integrated circuits are stacked one atop another to form a cube, offering faster computer processing speeds, higher levels of integration, lower power requirements than conventional chip sets, and dramatic reduction in the size and weight of memory-intensive systems, such as medical imaging devices.
SCRATCH-RESISTANT LENSES - A modified version of a dual ion beam bonding process developed by NASA involves coating the lenses with a film of diamond-like carbon that not only provides scratch resistance, but also decreases surface friction, reducing water spots.
MICROSPHERES - The first commercial products manufactured in orbit are tiny microspheres whose precise dimensions permit their use as reference standards for extremely accurate calibration of instruments in research and industrial laboratories. They are sold for applications in environmental control, medical research, and manufacturing.
LASER ANGIOPLASTY - Laser angioplasty with a "cool" type of laser, caller an excimer laser, does not damage blood vessel walls and offers precise non-surgical cleanings of clogged arteries with extraordinary precision and fewer complications than in balloon angioplasty.
MICROLASERS - Based on a concept for optical communications over interplanetary distances, microlasers were developed for the commercial market to transmit communication signals and to drill, cut, or melt materials.
EMERGENCY RESCUE CUTTERS - Lightweight cutters for freeing accident victims from wreckage developed using NASA pyrotechnic technology.
ADVANCED LUBRICANTS - An environmental-friendly lubricant designed to support the Space Shuttle Mobile Launcher Platform led to the development of three commercial lubricants for railroad track maintenance, for electric power company corrosion prevention, and as a hydraulic fluid with an oxidation life of 10,000 hours.
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NASA has already paid off, i give you Velcro, among many other things.
Didn't McPherson Struts evolve from NASA lunar program?
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The first car to feature MacPherson struts was the 1949 Ford Vedette.
Google and wiki are your friends.