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Title: DAMN!
Post by: angelsandair on August 12, 2008, 10:53:21 AM
I think I'm turning into a P-38 dweeb. It's a challenge and I'm starting to do some good with it! :cry  :cry

 :noid :noid



Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Yenny on August 12, 2008, 12:23:08 PM
38 is fun ! I got hook to it too.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: SkyRock on August 12, 2008, 12:26:52 PM
HO's and runners.
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Yenny on August 12, 2008, 12:28:14 PM
I'm "  " close to hoing everything in MA that point its nose at me. Being nice, I hold fire on HO and rolling away is taking its toll on my planes=/.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Saurdaukar on August 12, 2008, 12:31:12 PM
38 is great aside from the 27 minute, point-to-point rate of roll.

 :noid
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Shuffler on August 12, 2008, 12:33:43 PM
38 is great aside from the 27 minute, point-to-point rate of roll.

 :noid

There are methods that can vastly improve roll rate...... can even initiate a controlled snap roll.


#6
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Yenny on August 12, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
I still wonder a 38J v. K4, which would come out victorious. Given both pilot are equal in skill level. To me it seems like the K4 would have the upper advantage. I'm bias though because I know the K4 more then the 38. I haven't run into a 38 pilot in 1 vs. 1 that my k4 can't handle. Given I haven't been able to run into many 38 in 1 v 1 in MA, since it's either I do the ganging or I get the gangbang. Rarely been able to run into a good decend 1 v 1 with any 38 pilot while fly in my K4, so I don't really know how well a K4 up against a 38J.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: evenhaim on August 12, 2008, 12:41:44 PM
Delirium and I had a few bouts g14 vs 38j, I would say we both are rather proficient in our respective ac the fights were very good sometimes equal, but in the end the 38 came out on top in terms of fights won
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: titanic3 on August 12, 2008, 12:41:51 PM
I still wonder a 38J v. K4, which would come out victorious. Given both pilot are equal in skill level. To me it seems like the K4 would have the upper advantage. I'm bias though because I know the K4 more then the 38. I haven't run into a 38 pilot in 1 vs. 1 that my k4 can't handle. Given I haven't been able to run into many 38 in 1 v 1 in MA, since it's either I do the ganging or I get the gangbang. Rarely been able to run into a good decend 1 v 1 with any 38 pilot while fly in my K4, so I don't really know how well a K4 up against a 38J.

 I use to have tons of fun with a good bud back in the H2H days. The arena setting was as realistic as possible, and the 2 of us would have tons of fun dueling each other, the guy name was Benny, and I'm not sure if anybody know him, if anyone see him, tell him I said "hi". I would be flying each and every kind of 109 there was against his Lightning. We had so much fun together, what's more fun is me and him matching each other every moves, until one of us couldn't match the other and get blown out of the sky. The good ol' times.  :rock :salute
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Yenny on August 12, 2008, 12:50:23 PM
I'd love to DA vs some good 38 stick to see how well my K4 go up vs one. Just to solve the mystery in my head =/
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Saurdaukar on August 12, 2008, 01:13:54 PM
I'd love to DA vs some good 38 stick to see how well my K4 go up vs one. Just to solve the mystery in my head =/

Sticks being equal, the 38 would likely come out on top for several reasons.

Primary amongst them, both are strong in the vert, but the 38 is more stable.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Yenny on August 12, 2008, 01:14:41 PM
This is where I hope the torque helps, but then agian. 38 pilots w/ dual throttle can do the same thing.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Saurdaukar on August 12, 2008, 01:17:21 PM
This is where I hope the torque helps, but then agian. 38 pilots w/ dual throttle can do the same thing.

Yup. 

They have the choice between stability and instability.

We dont.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Yenny on August 12, 2008, 01:20:20 PM
In rolling scissors, on top of the roll. It seems the size of the 38 making it a tuff bird to roll at  stall speed. Which might be the advantage for the k4. Yet I can't tell if dual throttle w/ choppin 1 throttle and forcing it to roll would make much of a different in this situation. It seems that the 38 should be rolling slower at stall speed then the nimble K4. Again I still haven't seen it so I can't tell.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 12, 2008, 01:33:55 PM
the guy name was Benny

LOL!  That guy was a tool.  He 'banned' me from his room after repeatedly beating him in P-38s then started to claim it was because he had some sort of surgery.


ack-ack
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: XAKL on August 12, 2008, 01:43:46 PM
Sticks being equal, the 38 would likely come out on top for several reasons.

Primary amongst them, both are strong in the vert, but the 38 is more stable.

Don't think so, 109K is almost unbeatable
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Steve on August 12, 2008, 01:53:10 PM
Don't think so, 109K is almost unbeatable

 :huh
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Saurdaukar on August 12, 2008, 02:55:35 PM
Don't think so, 109K is almost unbeatable

All opinion here, of course, but I wouldnt say that any A/C is "unbeatable."

Why do you think this?
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: evenhaim on August 12, 2008, 03:38:13 PM
38 and g14 are nearly equal in the vert the torque helps you climb if you nurse the throttle, wep, and rudder.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: titanic3 on August 12, 2008, 04:04:20 PM
LOL!  That guy was a tool.  He 'banned' me from his room after repeatedly beating him in P-38s then started to claim it was because he had some sort of surgery.


ack-ack

He did have a surgery.. in his hand, and the guy get mad quite easily when some one enters without manners... So.. I don't know what you 2 guys do, but ehh he's a good guy. And he did have surgery...
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: clerick on August 12, 2008, 04:13:49 PM
I still wonder a 38J v. K4, which would come out victorious. Given both pilot are equal in skill level.

Before I left the game I was running into AGENT360 a lot and I always looked forward to it.  I dont have exact numbers but I would figure that he and I were probably equal in ability and kills against each other.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 12, 2008, 04:17:49 PM
So.. I don't know what you 2 guys do

All I did was repeatedly kick his arse in P-38s *shrug*


ack-ack
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: clerick on August 12, 2008, 04:22:25 PM
All I did was repeatedly kick his arse in P-38s *shrug*


ack-ack

 :P
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Nilsen on August 12, 2008, 04:29:46 PM
Before I left the game I was running into AGENT360 a lot and I always looked forward to it.  I dont have exact numbers but I would figure that he and I were probably equal in ability and kills against each other.

Agent is a very good stick! Even without my limitations i would have had a hard time beating him. If lucky and with E advantage i could prolly take him one out of ten times... on a good day  :D
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: titanic3 on August 12, 2008, 04:38:30 PM
All I did was repeatedly kick his arse in P-38s *shrug*


ack-ack

Not my problem..  :D
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Anaxogoras on August 12, 2008, 04:59:43 PM
109K vs 38J/L in a duel, equal pilots... 109K can win but not without boring the heck out of the 38 pilot with a long spiral climb.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: angelsandair on August 12, 2008, 09:52:39 PM
I still wonder a 38J v. K4, which would come out victorious. Given both pilot are equal in skill level. To me it seems like the K4 would have the upper advantage. I'm bias though because I know the K4 more then the 38. I haven't run into a 38 pilot in 1 vs. 1 that my k4 can't handle. Given I haven't been able to run into many 38 in 1 v 1 in MA, since it's either I do the ganging or I get the gangbang. Rarely been able to run into a good decend 1 v 1 with any 38 pilot while fly in my K4, so I don't really know how well a K4 up against a 38J.

From what I understand, the 109K4's climb would be a real hassle to the P-38. But the P-38 is more maneuverable than the 109 all around except the G2 and F4.  :aok


Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Yenny on August 12, 2008, 09:54:10 PM
From what I understand, the 109K4's climb would be a real hassle to the P-38. But the P-38 is more maneuverable than the 109 all around except the G2 and F4.  :aok




38 can hang prop better then K4 i think, and they are way way more stable then K4 at stall speed.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: angelsandair on August 12, 2008, 09:55:28 PM
38 can hang prop better then K4 i think, and they are way way more stable then K4 at stall speed.

Yea, I started playing with the P-38. So I pretty much know the basics of it, but last time I seriously flew it was over a year ago, so I definately lost touch. If anyone is good in 38s, pointers would be greatly appreciated.  :aok
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: DoNKeY on August 12, 2008, 10:05:00 PM
Agent and I had a nice long J vs K4 fight a while back.  Lasted a very long 8ish minutes of us going back and forth stall fighting.  In the end, he got just enough of a shot to get a fire going coming off the top of a rolling scissors revolution.  It went on until my wing exploaded.  I don't know how he saw me though, I had his oil. :mad:  I can post the film if anyone would like to see it.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: HedPE on August 13, 2008, 04:00:40 AM
HO's and runners.
 :rolleyes:
Agree
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: angelsandair on August 13, 2008, 04:01:25 AM
Put up the film, or PM it to me. I wanna get good in the 38 again.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: HedPE on August 13, 2008, 04:02:31 AM
Put up the film, or PM it to me. I wanna get good in the 38 again.
again?
you were?
huh?
when?
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: angelsandair on August 13, 2008, 04:03:21 AM
again?
you were?
huh?
when?
:lol :lol

I never was good in it, but about a year ago, I was better in it than I am now.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: SlapShot on August 13, 2008, 08:57:55 AM
I use to fly the P-38 a lot ... decided to take it back up last week in MW.

Three sorties ... 3 immediate pilot wounds ... now I remembered why I don't fly it more often.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: ColKLink on August 13, 2008, 11:17:35 AM
get ahold of PAWZ to fly that thing correctly. I used to think p-38 were a easy kill. :mad:
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: angelsandair on August 13, 2008, 11:19:59 AM
get ahold of PAWZ to fly that thing correctly. I used to think p-38 were a easy kill. :mad:

I did, and it ended up as a 200 fight :rolleyes:

I was in a Jug pickin him and he told me to come down, I ran, but I decided to man up and fight him to be nice, right before the merge, he insulted me, so, I HO'd him. I tried to be nice, but he didn't wanna be nice and have a friendly fight.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Guppy35 on August 13, 2008, 11:22:33 AM
Agent and I had a nice long J vs K4 fight a while back.  Lasted a very long 8ish minutes of us going back and forth stall fighting.  In the end, he got just enough of a shot to get a fire going coming off the top of a rolling scissors revolution.  It went on until my wing exploaded.  I don't know how he saw me though, I had his oil. :mad:  I can post the film if anyone would like to see it.

Agent is always a good fight.  I think we're about even 38G v 109K4.  The nice thing is you find him on the deck most times, not dropping on ya from way on high.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: bongaroo on August 13, 2008, 02:59:51 PM
I did, and it ended up as a 200 fight :rolleyes:

I was in a Jug pickin him and ..., I ran, .... so, I HO'd him. ....and have a friendly fight.

If you read it the right way; I don't think you really wanted a fight to begin with.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Redlegs on August 13, 2008, 03:03:32 PM
I was in a Jug pickin him and he told me to come down, I ran, but I decided to man up and fight him to be nice, right before the merge, he insulted me, so, I HO'd him.

 :huh  :confused:

So let me get this straight, he asked you to fight. You started to run. He called out your running on 200. You threw a temper-tantrum and HO'd him, and it's his fault.

 :huh :confused:
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 13, 2008, 05:49:24 PM
From what I understand, the 109K4's climb would be a real hassle to the P-38. But the P-38 is more maneuverable than the 109 all around except the G2 and F4.  :aok

But the P-38 still has the better vertical performance.  Do not confuse climb rate with vertical performance, a plane can have the better climb rate but lag behind in the vertical performance department.

ack-ack
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Pawz on August 14, 2008, 06:07:07 AM
I did, and it ended up as a 200 fight :rolleyes:

I was in a Jug pickin him and he told me to come down, I ran, but I decided to man up and fight him to be nice, right before the merge, he insulted me, so, I HO'd him. I tried to be nice, but he didn't wanna be nice and have a friendly fight.


First who are you and second why would I insult you on a "merge"? Hey if your an alt monkey I have no problem with that but come up with a better reason to ho like you have no class or skill.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Nilsen on August 14, 2008, 06:09:24 AM
I have yet to see Paws misbehave on 200. Sure he has but some rounds up my tailwheel but everyone can get lucky sometimes ;)
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: angelsandair on August 14, 2008, 06:50:06 AM
If you read it the right way; I don't think you really wanted a fight to begin with.

Course not, but I had changed my mind and decided to go ahead and die, I had the footage I needed to finish my movie (which can be seen in Films and Screenshots), so I told him I'd Co-alt fight him fairly. Right before the merge, I think he told me I was a 'Worthless excuse of a player' and I got really pissed and HO'd him....


First who are you and second why would I insult you on a "merge"? Hey if your an alt monkey I have no problem with that but come up with a better reason to ho like you have no class or skill.

Like I said, I was all up for giving a fair fight till you insulted me on 200. Really ticked me off.


~1pLUs44

p.s. I'm still up for some tips in your 38 Pawz :aok
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Pawz on August 14, 2008, 11:03:37 AM
Course not, but I had changed my mind and decided to go ahead and die, I had the footage I needed to finish my movie (which can be seen in Films and Screenshots), so I told him I'd Co-alt fight him fairly. Right before the merge, I think he told me I was a 'Worthless excuse of a player' and I got really pissed and HO'd him....

Like I said, I was all up for giving a fair fight till you insulted me on 200. Really ticked me off.


~1pLUs44

p.s. I'm still up for some tips in your 38 Pawz :aok

Are you SERIOUS? Seems you wear your feelings on your sleeves.

What footage are we talking about because if its all that e I made you burn your mistaking. Why would I show a lying piece of crap anything that has to do with a 38 when all you'll do is get mad and ho someone else.

I'm done...Is school in yet?
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: HedPE on August 14, 2008, 11:14:50 AM
Are you SERIOUS? Seems you wear your feelings on your sleeves.
Wait...doesnt everyone around here?  :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: ink on August 14, 2008, 12:41:28 PM
i love the 38 :rofl    shooting it out of the sky with my "inferior" hurri2c :t

sorry hijack over, go back about your normal business.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: Shuffler on August 14, 2008, 12:51:14 PM
lol a hurri 2 c.... I don';t have any problem with them. The only shot they have is the HO and you can control that.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: ink on August 14, 2008, 03:04:33 PM
lol a hurri 2 c.... I don';t have any problem with them. The only shot they have is the HO and you can control that.


being a registered user since 02, i would think you have realized by now the hurri has allot more then just a "Ho shot"

but that's all good you keep thinking that. and if we ever cross guns while i am in my Hurri you will see that the Ho shot is by far, not the only thing the Hurri can do,
not saying i could kill you easily (or at all for that matter), but after, you will know, you have been in a fight with a Hurri driver that DOES NOT use the HO. :salute   
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: bongaroo on August 15, 2008, 08:31:46 AM
Hurri2c's love to fall for the rope.  Ridiculous turning and 4 hizookas make it an easy ride IMHO.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: ink on August 15, 2008, 05:38:25 PM
Hurri2c's love to fall for the rope.  Ridiculous turning and 4 hizookas make it an easy ride IMHO.


umm  you say hurris love to fall for the rope, that sounds a little whacked to me seeings how hurris cant fly themselves, so what you ment to say was "allot of hurri drivers will be easily enticed into a rope"

well ya the hurri turns great,has big cannons, but i disagree on the easy ride thing just because of the fact that any one smart enough can kill a hurri due to the speed and climbing factor.
but if you face someone who knows the Hurri, and knows how to avoid those BnZ attacks, the hurri is a very deadly plane. but so is ANY plane(with guns) in the right hands.

i have come to believe those that fly(not all but most) the higher ENY planes fly those planes to make themselves feel better when they get killed, from a late war ride, "well gee i was in (insert early or mid war plane here) and you were in your late war easy mode ride... ect ect (insert the typical whine over 200 here) " 
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: SlapShot on August 16, 2008, 09:20:32 AM
i have come to believe those that fly(not all but most) the higher ENY planes fly those planes to make themselves feel better when they get killed, from a late war ride, "well gee i was in (insert early or mid war plane here) and you were in your late war easy mode ride... ect ect (insert the typical whine over 200 here) " 

Your painting with the same broad brush that was used in the ... hurris love to fall for the rope ... statement.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: mensa180 on August 16, 2008, 09:29:57 AM
Given equal pilots the 109 should win.

edit: INK you are the except to the rule, but most hurris I come across go for the HO, turn around quick, HO, turn around quick, HO...
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: bongaroo on August 16, 2008, 09:44:15 AM
hee hee

<S>

PS i stand by my easy ride statement
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: ink on August 16, 2008, 04:32:11 PM
Your painting with the same broad brush that was used in the ... hurris love to fall for the rope ... statement.

i was trying not to paint with such a broad brush, thats why i said  "(not all but most)".

i hear ya Mensa180 but it seems like 90% of MA go for the HO now a days.

dont bother me though i just enjoy flying my Hurri, in this GREAT game.

<<S>>
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: BaldEagl on August 16, 2008, 06:09:32 PM
I flew a P-38J today.  I killed a Spit and an La-7 then I met Twinboom.  Oh well.  I didn't feel bad as I hardly ever fly 38's.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: bongaroo on August 18, 2008, 10:22:10 AM
La7's, nikis, and p51ds give me much less of a headache in a p38 than the spit8 and spit16s do.  Those things hold so much freaking E in the silliest manuevers its ridiculous.
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: clerick on August 18, 2008, 04:51:22 PM
LA's and Ponies's dont scare me much. Ki's on the other hand seem to give me a lot of trouble.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: BiPoLaR on August 18, 2008, 05:25:57 PM
Don't think so, 109K is almost unbeatable

WRONG!!!!!!!!
ill spank a 109 all day long
Title: Re: DAMN!
Post by: clerick on August 18, 2008, 05:35:23 PM
WRONG!!!!!!!!
ill spank a 109 all day long

Doesn't your hand get sore?

 :D

(i agree, 109's aren't usually an issue...)