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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Boroda on August 15, 2008, 05:02:12 PM
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I have posted it here before, just couldn't find a thread.
While they may dress in uniforms similar to the US, and some of them have US weapons, they aren't even close to US troops. Of the Georgian units I've seen, only the Commandos had any disciple. The regular units had SERIOUS disciple problems. They stole any and everything they could get a hold of, including the radio and antenna mount off of the HMMWV the NCOIC of their MiTT was driving. When confronted, their commander claimed innocence until the NCOIC told them they would get nothing else from the US military until his equipment was returned. So it "magically" appeared that night.
In Kuwait, they were routinely caught steeling from other units, they broke into shipping containers to steel MREs, and uniforms, many of them got caught steeling form the PX, they set several structures on fire because they were smoking in no smoking areas, etc., etc. Until they can get their sh*t together, there's no way in hell they should be allowed into NATO.
As I said, the Commando battalion was very disciplined and well led, but they were still equipped with older soviet era weapons (And they did have quite few female hotties). As for the other units, I wouldn't trust them to run the fry station at McDonalds. Their officers were garbage, and hey had no NCOs to speak of. They seemed more interested in what they could beg, barrow or steal from the US. The only reason many of them were here was because they get a supplement to their pay from the US. Most of the officers seemed to out to fatten their own wallets on the backs of their troops.
They need to make clean sweep of the officer corps, actually form a NCO corps, and enforce discipline in the units (that doesn't mean you beat your soldiers, but lead by example). It's a little hard when your officers treat their troops like peasants. They'll never show them any respect, you can't lead by fear alone.
At a minimum, it'll take them five years to weed out the old guard, and start replacing them with a better trained officer corps. If they start now, it'll take five to ten years before they have a seasoned NCO corps within their enlisted ranks, and these guys will be the backbone of any force they field. Until they do, they need to stay as far away from NATO as possible. From what I've seen, if I were the Russians, I wouldn't be worrying about them starting a war, but I would be checking my pockets to see if I still had my wallet, or if the tires were still on my car in the morning.
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Those Soviet era tendencies die hard.
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Those Soviet era tendencies die hard.
Georgians were one of the most respected nations in USSR, just before they lost their minds and started a civil war in 1990...
I advise you to watch Soldier's Father movie (Otets soldata). Also about Georgian military.
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I'd say that vast majority of non-commissioned officers in the U.S. military are LITERATE, and would know how to SPELL. That quote is from a military photo site. Any PROOF as to the poster actually being who he claims he is?
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I'd say that vast majority of non-commissioned officers in the U.S. military are LITERATE, and would know how to SPELL. That quote is from a military photo site. Any PROOF as to the poster actually being who he claims he is?
I can only advise you to check other posts by that person. Look when it was posted.
Many people here at this board are worse in English spelling, including myself.
BTW, what's the literacy rate in the US now?
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I can only advise you to check other posts by that person. Look when it was posted.
Many people here at this board are worse in English spelling, including myself.
BTW, what's the literacy rate in the US now?
I don't care how well you spell English, you are not a non-commissioned officer in the U.S. military, it isn't your literacy in English we're discussing.
It's pretty damned high in the military, especially once you get into the NCO ranks and above. In fact, the literacy and education rates in the military are often above the general population.
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I can only advise you to check other posts by that person. Look when it was posted.
Many people here at this board are worse in English spelling, including myself.
BTW, what's the literacy rate in the US now?
"Literacy:
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 99.4%
male: 99.7%
female: 99.2% (2002 census) "
Russia.
"Literacy:
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 99%
male: 99%
female: 99% (2003 est.) "
America.
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LOL Mensa!! :D
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Russia and America are similar in their literacy percentages, but one has to take into account that Russia only has a population of 140 million where as we have 301 million.
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Russia and America are similar in their literacy percentages, but one has to take into account that Russia only has a population of 140 million where as we have 301 million.
not to mention 15 million illegals with limited English skills~
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I'd say that vast majority of non-commissioned officers in the U.S. military are LITERATE, and would know how to SPELL. That quote is from a military photo site. Any PROOF as to the poster actually being who he claims he is?
Unless you ask Jon Carrie. ;)
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Georgians were one of the most respected nations in USSR, just before they lost their minds and started a civil war in 1990...
I advise you to watch Soldier's Father movie (Otets soldata). Also about Georgian military.
You know what else used to be one of the prettiest places in the USSR? Prypiat was said to be the 'Rose of the Soviet Union'
That is... until...
Russians didn't care about their people then, they dont now.
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hey were actually Ukrainian. Russians and Ukrainians aren't the best of friends.
Boroda - what relevance is the post exactly?
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Prypiat was the 'symbol' of how good Communism was and of how the USSR cared about it's people.
Soviets didn't care then, Russians dont care now.
He wants to call Americans murderers with fake numbers, well, here is one of the worst atrocities from his group.
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If that had been written by the Sergeant Major of the Army or the Corps I might pay some attention to it.
shamus
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I'd say that vast majority of non-commissioned officers in the U.S. military are LITERATE, and would know how to SPELL. That quote is from a military photo site. Any PROOF as to the poster actually being who he claims he is?
I can think of at least one military poster on this site that has much worse grammar & spelling than the posts there, right off the top of my head...
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I can think of at least one military poster on this site that has much worse grammar & spelling than the posts there, right off the top of my head...
I bet I can think of at least 3 nonmilitary posters who exhibit poor grammar for every military poster you can think of. Of course posting here isn't necessarily a clear demonstration of ones true grammar proficiency. Some are just careless or lazy.
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You probably can. I was responding to this post.
I'd say that vast majority of non-commissioned officers in the U.S. military are LITERATE, and would know how to SPELL. That quote is from a military photo site. Any PROOF as to the poster actually being who he claims he is?
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You probably can. I was responding to this post.
Well, I don't recall any essays or grammar tests required for entry in the US military though there are definitely education requirements, including a reading comprehension evaluation. Furthermore, there is ongoing education in all branches of the US military with college participation highly encouraged and applauded for the enlisted corps.
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I don't care how well you spell English, you are not a non-commissioned officer in the U.S. military, it isn't your literacy in English we're discussing.
It's pretty damned high in the military, especially once you get into the NCO ranks and above. In fact, the literacy and education rates in the military are often above the general population.
And this is the exact same conversation we had the LAST time boroda brought this up about the Georgians.
An "Internet Sergeant" says so and so. Any english speaking person then points out that "Internet Sergeant" is probably fake, due to bad grammar and horrid spelling abilities.
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...they broke into shipping containers to steel MREs.
Proof that it's full of BS. Who the fudge wants to steal an MRE? Gimme a break. :rolleyes:
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Proof that it's full of BS. Who the fudge wants to steal an MRE? Gimme a break. :rolleyes:
An Ethiopian who has not heard that they have been rejected?
shamus
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I currently have a squaddie in Iraq that served with the Georgian troops in Iraq. I'll make a point to talk to him about what their troops are like.
All I recall him saying about them is they are "hard core". IIRC he was saying they were a "tought" bunch similar to our military personell.
I will take the 1st hand opinion of someone I know and respect who has served and knows the Georgians over some drivle Boroda dreamt up.
Let ya' know what he said.
(edit: I'll just have him pop in here and tell ya'll himself)
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I currently have a squaddie in Iraq that served with the Georgian troops in Iraq. I'll make a point to talk to him about what their troops are like.
All I recall him saying about them is they are "hard core". IIRC he was saying they were a "tought" bunch similar to our military personell.
I will take the 1st hand opinion of someone I know and respect who has served and knows the Georgians over some drivle Boroda dreamt up.
Let ya' know what he said.
(edit: I'll just have him pop in here and tell ya'll himself)
I look forward to hearing what he has to say. :)
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I currently have a squaddie in Iraq that served with the Georgian troops in Iraq. I'll make a point to talk to him about what their troops are like.
All I recall him saying about them is they are "hard core". IIRC he was saying they were a "tought" bunch similar to our military personell.
I will take the 1st hand opinion of someone I know and respect who has served and knows the Georgians over some drivle Boroda dreamt up.
Let ya' know what he said.
(edit: I'll just have him pop in here and tell ya'll himself)
You wouldn't happen to be a non-commissioned officer in the US military, by any chance, would you?
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I will take the 1st hand opinion of someone I know and respect who has served and knows the Georgians over some drivle Boroda dreamt up.
Let ya' know what he said.
(edit: I'll just have him pop in here and tell ya'll himself)
I quote an American serviceman, at least the guy said he is, and did it like half-year before they started a genocide in Ossetia. I sell it for the same price I bought it.
I am waiting for your squadmate's opinion anxiously. Seriously, it could be great if he appears here, may I ask him some questions? You know, just to tell he doesn't speak about Georgians vs. Texans.
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I've seen some emails from E-5 & up that made me cringe, as far as spelling and grammar go.
Spelling and grammar mistakes don't mean the guy isn't really an NCO...
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I've seen some emails from E-5 & up that made me cringe, as far as spelling and grammar go.
Spelling and grammar mistakes don't mean the guy isn't really an NCO...
The US military is a microcosm of American scociety to a large degree.
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Talked w/ 'em this morning. (WMTom btw, give him a <S> in the LW's when you see 'em) He'll pop in here when he can. Seems to be havin' trouble login' into the BBS from Iraq for some odd reason but he's aware of the thread and will post when he can.
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I never had the pleasure to serve. I tried to join each branch but I put my foot under a lawn mower as a teen and chopped up foot = can't enlist. Which really is too bad as I had planned on joining our military for as long as I can remember. I DID talk to a recruiter recently and they said I might be able to get in now, but at age 37 I should probably just accept it wasn't meant to be. c'est la vie.
(interesting sidebar: I was one of the people cited to Congress (along with a ton of others of course) as to why we need that little guard on the back of push lawnmowers which is now mandatory)
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What did he say of the Georgian troops, lute?
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The real difference between "NATO standard" military machines and, "the rest of the worlds militaries", is that NATO standard attracts far better , better educated, motivated...ect personel then non NATO ones do.
Whats NATO standard? Well NATO, and many others including countries like Israel, Singapore, Japan, Australia, South Africa....ect
Russia and her former slave states produce brilliant people. They just dont enter military service, and in fact, turn avoidence of conscription into an art form.
How much could a place like Georgia pay their troops? How much could they possibly afford to train them and equip them?
And look at the vast sums of money we in the west spend to keep military service an attractive option for young people to consider. I myself am always impressed by the quality of recruit our military attracts. They are educated, motivated, and of general high moral fiber. Yes there are exceptions. There always is. But in general? And even more so our boys and girls enter volunteer service to better themselves, while the "others" join up cause they have to.
I like to play around in Google Earth a lot. You really learn a lot about a place looking at satalite photos of it. So one day take a look at the bases of NATO standard military services and "the other ones". NATO bases are all well ordered, look spotless, equipment is in good repair, and even the bloody shrubbery is manicured. Now look at the others???
I was in USAF myself and I can tell you that the world will never know a more Professional organization then USAF. But all the Yanks services are, Marines, Army, Navy, Coast Guard. And its somthing you see in all the NATO military services.
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During OIF 05-08, I was stationed at FOB War Horse just outside of Baquba, Iraq (Dyahla (SP?)province). We had a contingent of Georgian Soldiers there. For the most part they stayed in their lane. There were some culteral issues that we had to deal with (it is kinda hard for American GI's to get used to three guys taking a shower together in a three by three shower stall). They feigned ignorance a lot of the time because they could and get away with it. We had a mix of their Spec Ops guys and support guys so we got the full spectrum. Were they lazy, no more than any other Soldier I have seen who had a chance to sham out. Did they steal things, I am not sure, I never caught them at it, but they sure did get blamed for everything that came up missing. (Anyone who has been in the military before knows that Soldiers can be just as much a theif as anyone else, hell I once stole a door off a HMMWV infront of the owning unit's formation, aw those were the days...). There were some hot Georgian women, that is sure, and they were part of the Spec Ops.
From what I saw, the officers in the Georgian Army do what we NCO's do in our Army. Our Army is unique in that, no where in the world is so much responsibility given to the non-coms as in our military. I believe that is the strength of our military and always has been. Our officers trust the NCO's to get the job done, and we do. In the Georgian Army, the Non-coms are not trusted to get the job done. It seemed to me they were micromanaged to an extreme.
My thoughts here are only my opinion. I did not work directly with the Georgians, only observed them. Should they be allowed in NATO? I think they should. Yes, they are getting hella money from the US to be in Iraq, but then again, can their economy really support a deployment like this? Having an allie that close to Russia is not a bad thing. The Cold War might be over but I think that Russia is still the biggest threat on the world scene. They still have nuclear weapons and it does not take that long to program a target.
I think I will leave my thoughts there.
V/R
SSG Tom Glaser (AKA WMTom)
US Army
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During OIF 05-08, I was stationed at FOB War Horse just outside of Baquba, Iraq (Dyahla (SP?)province). We had a contingent of Georgian Soldiers there. For the most part they stayed in their lane. There were some culteral issues that we had to deal with (it is kinda hard for American GI's to get used to three guys taking a shower together in a three by three shower stall). They feigned ignorance a lot of the time because they could and get away with it. We had a mix of their Spec Ops guys and support guys so we got the full spectrum. Were they lazy, no more than any other Soldier I have seen who had a chance to sham out. Did they steal things, I am not sure, I never caught them at it, but they sure did get blamed for everything that came up missing. (Anyone who has been in the military before knows that Soldiers can be just as much a theif as anyone else, hell I once stole a door off a HMMWV infront of the owning unit's formation, aw those were the days...). There were some hot Georgian women, that is sure, and they were part of the Spec Ops.
From what I saw, the officers in the Georgian Army do what we NCO's do in our Army. Our Army is unique in that, no where in the world is so much responsibility given to the non-coms as in our military. I believe that is the strength of our military and always has been. Our officers trust the NCO's to get the job done, and we do. In the Georgian Army, the Non-coms are not trusted to get the job done. It seemed to me they were micromanaged to an extreme.
My thoughts here are only my opinion. I did not work directly with the Georgians, only observed them. Should they be allowed in NATO? I think they should. Yes, they are getting hella money from the US to be in Iraq, but then again, can their economy really support a deployment like this? Having an allie that close to Russia is not a bad thing. The Cold War might be over but I think that Russia is still the biggest threat on the world scene. They still have nuclear weapons and it does not take that long to program a target.
I think I will leave my thoughts there.
V/R
SSG Tom Glaser (AKA WMTom)
US Army
Thanks, so the guy I quoted was right.
Also I have to say that currently the US is the biggest threat on the world scene.
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I would like to clarify my point about Russia being the biggest threat on the world scene. I think in terms of what is a threat to the United States not what is a threat to the wolrd. It is not my intent to offend anyone here, only put my thoughts out there on the subject of the Georgians.
There have been great strides in the relations between Russia and the US but countries do not have friends, they have interests (i.e. France). Right now it is in Russia's best interests to be on friendly relations with the US, just as it is in the US's best interest to be on friendly relations with Russia.
V/R
SSG Tom Glaser
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Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer.
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Pravda still pouring out it's highly imaginative version of "the truth"? I suppose they still say Stalin was a misunderstood but sensitive person who loved to knit.
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Mayn Russians suffered a severe blow to their ego when the Soviet Union died, take Boroda for example. Is it any wonder they want to restore their former glory? Will the west prevent them? Can we?
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Mayn Russians suffered a severe blow to their ego when the Soviet Union died, take Boroda for example. Is it any wonder they want to restore their former glory? Will the west prevent them? Can we?
In Russia, size of dicks related to size of empire. Little empire.... little dicks all over it.
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Also I have to say that currently the US is the biggest threat on the world scene.
If I were Russian and longed for the days of Soviet dominance over Europe I would say the same damned thing.
Apparently, Ukraine wants no part of your new USSR boroda....cant say that I blame them.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/2570285/Ukraine-offers-satellite-defence-co-operation-with-Europe-and-US.html
"The crisis over Russia's display of military might in Georgia has alarmed ex-Soviet satellites states in a broad arc from the Baltics to Central Asia. Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania, all of which harbour bitter memories of Soviet occupation, have expressed solidarity with the Georgian position."
Go eat that rotten pie :aok
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We do more then "trust" our non-coms and junior officers. Not only are the junior ranks of our military services allowed to change orders during a flowing battle they are actually trained to do so. This was always a big reason the Israelis kicked the snot out of the Arabs. The Arab services always had highly regimitated orders their junior officers had to follow out of fear of a firing squad. This has always been the classic failure of the Soviet model, the fact that orders were set in stone and could in no way be changed.
Certain Soviet units had such power, like their excellent spetsnaz units. But they were only trusted due to their high Political reliability and due to the fact special forces, in order to be effective, had to have some leeway in operational terms.
Put it this way. When our airborne got tossed all over the map in Normandy they had no problem hobbling together units, led by junior officers, who used great discretion to attack German targets of opportunity. An airborne division of Russians probably would have looked at each other saying, "who me"?
Credit Stalin with changing that for a time when he saw the war was lost unless he actually allowed gifted commanders to fight it. After the disastrous first year of Germanys attack Stalin began to give senior commanders unprecedented freedom to formulate strategy. That is as long as they didn't publicly take credit for it.
But in general the highly centralized command model the Soviets exported wasn't very efficient. Free societies tend to produce leaders that are trusted. A Yank army Capt. or LT wouldn't think twice of changing an attack plan if he thought it would be more effective and/or save more lives while achieving the objectives.