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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Agent360 on August 16, 2008, 10:47:43 PM
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It is not fair for land grabbers to impose thier will upon the furballers and neither is it fair for the furballers to impose their will upon the land grabbers. The only fair solution is to leave this up to the players. If the collective players in any arena desire to either furball or land grab let it be so, but do not force one faction to submit to the will of other. The only way is to let each player choose for him/her self whether they want to land grap or furball.
Let it be resolved that we the collective "furballers" of Aces High demand that fair play FOR ALL be re instated by:
1. Set one main arena to small maps
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2. Put fighter town back on all large maps.
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Agent360
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Best idea presented so far, since the Community refuses to rectify the problem.
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Either way, you're trying to tell the owners of a private company how to run said company.
Good luck with that.
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Either way, you're trying to tell the owners of a private company how to run said company.
Good luck with that.
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I am the customer. We are all the customers who pay our money and I/we have the right to voice our point of view.
Start your own petition if you don't like it!!!!!
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YES, Definitely.
Anytime there's accidentally a small and a large map up at the same time there are very few unhappy customers. It would make the most of the maps we have and guarantee choice and variety. This is a win/win for HTC and the players. Just put one LW arena on a HUGE map rotation and the other on a small map rotation. Then use the HUGE map for Titanic Tuesday so it changes on Wednesdays when the split arenas revert to normal.
The fightertown within a map idea presents an indomitable policing issue if not made uncapturable, which HTC has made clear from the Donut fiasco it is not willing to do no matter how appealing the concept is to the players.
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Either way, you're trying to tell the owners of a private company how to run said company.
Good luck with that.
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Tweaking gameplay options and choices has nothing to do with fundamentally running the company. HTC is constantly tweaking stuff to make AH more enjoyable to its customers. Any company that refuses to modify its product over time to make it more appealing to its customers doesn't last long. AH has lasted 9+ years now, so they obviously understand that concept...If you've ever worked in the development field, you'll know it is actually a Godsend for your players/users to tell you what they want/need or what needs fixing. It saves a hell of a lot of guesswork and speeds up the development process. Obviously, it is the developer that cherry picks the best/most realistic ideas and implements them in accordance with their own long-term design concepts.
The whole system of map rotations and the maps themselves have been changing in their implementation for years. The last fundamental change to how maps were rotated was before there were split arenas. This change proposal just makes perfect sense to work with the split arena concept and to make the most of the more numerous maps we now have.
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Excellent point.
If you've ever worked in the development field, you'll know it is actually a Godsend for your players/users to tell you what they want/need or what needs fixing. It saves a hell of a lot of guesswork and speeds up the development process. Obviously, it is the developer that cherry picks the best/most realistic ideas and implements them in accordance with their own long-term design concepts.
This is absolutely correct, and also why there is a Wishlist BB. Occasionally good ideas do get turned into implemented ideas! :aok
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makes sense to me
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There is a small map arena for furballers, the dueling arena, but it is seldom used. I guess people vote with their feet, or wings in this case.
For barracudas, eating other barracudas is too difficult and dangerous. It's easier to catch mullets, so they go where the mullets gather.
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I love the small maps. :aok
There is a small map arena for furballers, the dueling arena, but it is seldom used. I guess people vote with their feet, or wings in this case.
For barracudas, eating other barracudas is too difficult and dangerous. It's easier to catch mullets, so they go where the mullets gather.
The dueling arena does not count. There's no perk/eny system, and the f3/f4 external views are available during flight.
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I love the small maps. :aok
The dueling arena does not count. There's no perk/eny system, and the f3/f4 external views are available during flight.
Beyond that, it has become dominated by 1-2 squads of perk-ride-drivers that fly rook and hunt lone cons in packs, destroying and semblance of 'dueling'. Most nights, there are more rooks than both the other countries combined, and they don't seem to see a problem with this---even in H2H, most arenas had a self-policing policy of side-evening
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Why not just bring back H2H for paying customers then we could host our own?
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I think the bigger deal there is letting HT's creation and livelihood run on someone else's pc, can't blame them
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I am the customer. We are all the customers who pay our money and I/we have the right to voice our point of view.
Start your own petition if you don't like it!!!!!
I don't need to start any petitions. I understand how democracy works and know that this is not one, therefore, petitions wont work. I absolutely agree that you have a right, or free speech, to voice your point of view. Expecting the operators of a private business to change because of your view is where you go wrong.
Tweaking gameplay options and choices has nothing to do with fundamentally running the company. HTC is constantly tweaking stuff to make AH more enjoyable to its customers. Any company that refuses to modify its product over time to make it more appealing to its customers doesn't last long. AH has lasted 9+ years now, so they obviously understand that concept...If you've ever worked in the development field, you'll know it is actually a Godsend for your players/users to tell you what they want/need or what needs fixing. It saves a hell of a lot of guesswork and speeds up the development process. Obviously, it is the developer that cherry picks the best/most realistic ideas and implements them in accordance with their own long-term design concepts.
The whole system of map rotations and the maps themselves have been changing in their implementation for years. The last fundamental change to how maps were rotated was before there were split arenas. This change proposal just makes perfect sense to work with the split arena concept and to make the most of the more numerous maps we now have.
Exactly why there is a Wish-list forum on this BBS. As stated, the assumption that you can petition, or force, the creators and maintainers of a private enterprise to change the way things are done is asinine. There is a definite difference between end user feedback and a group of players trying to strong arm changes to the operational facets of the game; changes that currently are only supported by a very small percentage of the entire community of paying members.
It's not as much the method here I disagree with, its the mindset behind the method. Believe me, I've thought for years that some things need to change in the MA's. For some of those reasons, I don't visit the MA's as much. Time is generally my biggest opponent to playing the MA's. That said, I don't think it is my place to bang on HT's door and tell him how the curtains should hang. Players pay for the ability to manipulate the virtual world within AHII, not the ability to change the world to suit their personal style/goals.
IMHO, of course.
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Al Pacino<----Atica, Attica, Attica, Small map, small map, small maps, small maps, small maps,...... :rock
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I don't need to start any petitions. I understand how democracy works and know that this is not one, therefore, petitions wont work. I absolutely agree that you have a right, or free speech, to voice your point of view. Expecting the operators of a private business to change because of your view is where you go wrong.
Exactly why there is a Wish-list forum on this BBS. As stated, the assumption that you can petition, or force, the creators and maintainers of a private enterprise to change the way things are done is asinine. There is a definite difference between end user feedback and a group of players trying to strong arm changes to the operational facets of the game; changes that currently are only supported by a very small percentage of the entire community of paying members.
It's not as much the method here I disagree with, its the mindset behind the method. Believe me, I've thought for years that some things need to change in the MA's. For some of those reasons, I don't visit the MA's as much. Time is generally my biggest opponent to playing the MA's. That said, I don't think it is my place to bang on HT's door and tell him how the curtains should hang. Players pay for the ability to manipulate the virtual world within AHII, not the ability to change the world to suit their personal style/goals.
IMHO, of course.
I think you're mistaking petitioning for voting. Since AH is not governed by a legislative body that abides by a constitution giving petitions legal leverage, petitions are merely nonbinding expressions of popular sentiment. Those expressions of popular sentiment are meant as informative insights and constructive tools for potential product improvement, not coercive instruments of manipulation. Any business entity that is in the business of providing a service for a fee is going to be quite interested in the popular sentiment of its customers toward any aspect of its product. The choice of whether or not to act upon those insights is always at the sole discretion of the provider of the service.
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It is not fair for land grabbers to impose thier will upon the furballers and neither is it fair for the furballers to impose their will upon the land grabbers. The only fair solution is to leave this up to the players. If the collective players in any arena desire to either furball or land grab let it be so, but do not force one faction to submit to the will of other. The only way is to let each player choose for him/her self whether they want to land grap or furball.
Let it be resolved that we the collective "furballers" of Aces High demand that fair play FOR ALL be re instated by:
1. Set one main arena to small maps
or
2. Put fighter town back on all large maps.
i absolutely agree, its even easier then what you are thinking, it seems like on every map there is a certain area where 3 bases form a small TT/FT,
just make these 3 bases and the accompanying vehicle bases uncapturable.
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signed, HTC please listen to this one
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I don't need to start any petitions. I understand how democracy works and know that this is not one, therefore, petitions wont work. I absolutely agree that you have a right, or free speech, to voice your point of view. Expecting the operators of a private business to change because of your view is where you go wrong.
Exactly why there is a Wish-list forum on this BBS. As stated, the assumption that you can petition, or force, the creators and maintainers of a private enterprise to change the way things are done is asinine. There is a definite difference between end user feedback and a group of players trying to strong arm changes to the operational facets of the game; changes that currently are only supported by a very small percentage of the entire community of paying members.
It's not as much the method here I disagree with, its the mindset behind the method. Believe me, I've thought for years that some things need to change in the MA's. For some of those reasons, I don't visit the MA's as much. Time is generally my biggest opponent to playing the MA's. That said, I don't think it is my place to bang on HT's door and tell him how the curtains should hang. Players pay for the ability to manipulate the virtual world within AHII, not the ability to change the world to suit their personal style/goals.
IMHO, of course.
First off, why are you posting here. It is a petition for those who SUPPORT the idea.
I would like to hear why the idea I have proposed is bad. Perhaps you can post something constructive and tell us why either of the choices I presented would be bad. And do me a favor and make your own thread and dont hijack this one. Thanks
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First off, why are you posting here. It is a petition for those who SUPPORT the idea.
I would like to hear why the idea I have proposed is bad. Perhaps you can post something constructive and tell us why either of the choices I presented would be bad. And do me a favor and make your own thread and dont hijack this one. Thanks
I'll tell you why its bad and will never happen. This suggestion promotes splitting the community. HTC is more about uniting the community, so you can bet this will never happen.
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I'll tell you why its bad and will never happen. This suggestion promotes splitting the community. HTC is more about uniting the community, so you can bet this will never happen.
Yea, you're exactly right, splitting the LW arenas and creating separate EW & MW arenas was a very unifying thing to do... :rofl
If you're going to split the arenas up why the heck not use that as an opportunity to please more customers more of the time. It's a wasted opportunity not to do so.
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I'll tell you why its bad and will never happen. This suggestion promotes splitting the community. HTC is more about uniting the community, so you can bet this will never happen.
the "comunity" is all ready split, the "win the war" type "furballers" "GVers" all doing different things, yet all enjoying the same game.
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Good post Agent.
I'd say #2, but may be difficult for HTC to change the big maps to facilitate... (though I've no clue how that stuff works)
Be cool if the FT airbases couldn't be taken either.
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I like 2 but 1 is probably easier than adding bases to maps. If 2 were to be done, the fighter town bases MUST be uncapturable.
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Fightertowns have never worked in the main arena. The only time I remember them working, was when they was set up as their own arena and that was back in the AW days.
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Fightertowns have never worked in the main arena. The only time I remember them working, was when they was set up as their own arena and that was back in the AW days.
The Big Pac map in AWIII had a fightertown right in the middle, uncapturable, it was great...
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what Zazen said...
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Fightertowns have never worked in the main arena. The only time I remember them working, was when they was set up as their own arena and that was back in the AW days.
They work great until the griefers come egg them, that said fighters would THEN help win the war
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The Big Pac map in AWIII had a fightertown right in the middle, uncapturable, it was great...
Ha! Go figure, a Zazen post I agree with :)
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Ha! Go figure, a Zazen post I agree with :)
<Jots down the time and date on the calendar for future historical reference in case it nevers happens again> :aok
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I thought the dueling arena had a furball section.
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I thought the dueling arena had a furball section.
I think some people just like to whine.
Good point, let's add a toolshedding section to the DA and send all the toolshedders there too...Get it? :aok
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Good point, let's add a toolshedding section to the DA and send all the toolshedders there too...Get it? :aok
in DA u cant take bases, and since furballers aint interested in that, why not fly at DA's FT?
toolsheding in DA is pointless because it doesn't achieve anything.
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in DA u cant take bases, and since furballers aint interested in that, why not fly at DA's FT?
toolsheding in DA is pointless because it doesn't achieve anything.
I'm sure we can make a section of the DA that has capturable fields that reset themselves periodically for your toolshedding enjoyment.
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I would offer my vote, but it wont do any good, HTC does what they want when they want all the protests, marches and poles wont change a thing. Even though "US" the customers are the life-blood of their business i really dont think this matters. Goodluck anyway, but dont be to dissapointed when nothing changes.
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I would offer my vote, but it wont do any good, HTC does what they want when they want all the protests, marches and poles wont change a thing. Even though "US" the customers are the life-blood of their business i really dont think this matters. Goodluck anyway, but dont be to dissapointed when nothing changes.
Why wouldn't it though? I think the reason large maps were brought back (last year?) was a collective whine on the forums, wasn't it?
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Why wouldn't it though? I think the reason large maps were brought back (last year?) was a collective whine on the forums, wasn't it?
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HUGE maps became more numerous because for a period, prior to split arenas, HTC considered only HUGE (512X512) maps for addition to the rotation. This was around the time of HTC's initial marketing campaign on The Wings channel then later, the History channel. I don't think it was ever said, but I would guess there was an overly optimistic anticipation of a very large influx of subscribers as a result of the marketing effort that would make the small maps too densely packed to be viable for gameplay. But, since then the arenas were all split up (EW,MW, 2 X LW) and new small maps (256X256) have again been accepted as gameplay suitable by HTC.
So, small maps are back in vogue now, the problem is HUGE maps are almost never reset by players because they are...well... HUGE! (250 bases?!?) But, the small maps are reset relatively quickly, so we burn through the small maps only to end up on HUGE maps for long periods in BOTH?!? LW arenas...It would really just solve this entire problem and keep everyone happy if one LW arena was loaded with the small maps and the other with the HUGE maps and they rotated independently...
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I'm sure we can make a section of the DA that has capturable fields that reset themselves periodically for your toolshedding enjoyment.
then it would just be MA again?
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I just don't understand the problem. Saturday and Sunday there were big furballs at 44 on one side of the map and big furballs at A1, the other side of the map. Before that on a large map, during Titanic Tuesday, there was the largest furball this man has ever seen. Knits had 3 cvs at 41. The furball must have lasted 2 hours or more.
At one time there was a map I described as Fighter Town surrounded by Tank town. It obviously didn't go over well. It no longer exists although I know a few who liked it. To put a fighter town smack dab in the middle of the map is annoying to me. To make it uncapturable is double annoying. Just think you have a perpetual base from which to hit other bases that are capturable and centrally located. It limits access to the rest of the map to a degree.
BTW, some have pointed toward AWII. Let me just steal a quote from one of he players of that era. "Analysis Mr. Spock? AWIII is dead Jim!
Again, you have the furball section of the DA. If that isn't working for you then maybe it's not furballing you actually want. Some of the people who have posted in support of the centrally located fighter town don't even furball. At least not with their main account.
Frankly, I have no clue what Toolshedding is. If I do it, it must be quite fun.
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LOL glad to see things changing around here. LOLHROTFF :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: