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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SkyRock on August 20, 2008, 01:53:51 PM
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LMAO! Only 200,000 students paddled last year.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/20/corporal.punishment/index.html
Not bad out of 50 million students and the fact that 10,000,000 probably needed or deserved a whopping last year! :aok
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Most of the kids these days need a good spanking. I plan on spanking my children when my wife and I have some. Best thing for teaching the young minds. Timeout. What a joke. A good smack on the rump. Now people that go off and whale on a kid, that is overboard. Get a life people and stop being so danged PC. Crack out the leather belt. Still cringe when I think about the old man pullin that thing out of the closet. Did me good.
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I could/have never hit my kid(5 yrs old)..And if some adult took it upon themselves to do it on my behalf(w/o my consent),i would probably end up in jail.
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When I used to spank mine, I used a wooden spoon. Department stores have that one with the really long handle. I'd stick that thing in my back pocket & carry it around with me everywhere.
Lived in California for a bit... Policeman behind me in line at the Post Office gave me the whole "appearance of abuse" lecture. I told him that when he was responsible for raising my kids, that he'd get to choose how they were disciplined... until then he could bugger off.
There does come a point when spanking is no longer appropriate... because once they get a little bit older there are other "incentives" to not get into trouble... like removing of their outdoor play privileges... no bike... no after school visitors... no phone... While the whole grounding thing seems really "leave it to beaver," it is pretty effective.
*edit* I would have been A-OK with the school administration spanking my kids... when they were younger. Or calling me to the school to administer the spanking.
*edit again* Leave it to CNN to characterize spanking as "beating your kids" *rolls my eyes*
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Back in my Dad's day, they used to have a member on the school staff solely as "School Disciplinarian." But from what he says, it may have been a prime contract due to him as well.
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My last school was all boys with a 50's era even though it was the 70's. They had this strict discipline regime load of crap. They used to write out detention (stay 30 min after school standing on a red tile in the common room) for the stupidest of things like walking in through the out door :rolleyes:
So being switched on and hating detention I would always give um the extra lip to get 6 of the best (Cain). Take the 6 and you go home without having to wait around for 30 min... thank you very much Sir. Bunch of worthless nob heads.
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What SirLoin said. We've never hit our children (4 and 11) and if some teacher ever hits one of my kids they might as well change the name of the school to Myelo Elementary because by the time my lawyer gets done, that teacher's behind and everything it sat on will be mine.
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Give the parents a choice for their kids misbehaving in school, suspension or a paddling. Sounds pretty simple to me.
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Give the parents a choice for their kids misbehaving in school, suspension or a paddling. Sounds pretty simple to me.
Lol suspension = vacation in a kids mind.
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Lol suspension = vacation in a kids mind.
I didn't suggest letting the kids decide their punishment. If they won't behave and the parents won't make them then get 'em away from the ones that will so they can learn.
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I didn't suggest letting the kids decide their punishment. If they won't behave and the parents won't make them then get 'em away from the ones that will so they can learn.
You're missing the point. The majority of todays parents will not give their children a spanking, no matter how well deserved. So they will go with the suspension. Most likely unsupervised because most parents work. There you have it, vacation.
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I say beat the snot out of em and when the ole arm is warmed up toss a few at the wifes head for having the gall to give birth to the cawdamned delinquent!
(IMO any adult who thinks that they need to, or that someone else should for them, strike a child to correct or mold behavior is stunningly stupid and extraordinarily lazy)
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hope they dont do that in highschool :uhoh
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How do we not have a vid of skyrock gettin' spanked ..
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I quit spanking my kids when the youngest was 3. I just felt there was a better way. Oh I disciplined them when they needed it. I just got more creative. I have nothing really against corporal punishment if doled out appropriately.
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If my kid needs to be smacked, call me and I will take care of it.
If a teacher or a neighbor takes it upon themselves do dish out corporal punishment on my kid they may very well receive some in return.
shamus
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First you have to know what works on your own kids and when.
Some kids you could beat them till they bled and it couldn't make a bit of difference.
Other kids, and a good swat once in a while is all they understand or can be the only thing that gets their attention.
Fortunately I have only on rare occasion had to raise a hand to either of my kids. But...they know I'll do it. and that helps.
Along with the fact I am really really good at chewing people out.
Another factor for me I believe is I don't often let things get to the point where I have to to begin with. In short.
Meaning I don't let them go on and on before I say something. I say something the first time....in no uncertain terms.
If I say it twice then I warn them that I wont be warning them a third time.
Finally there is a difference between a swat or two and beating the living daylights out of your kid.
One is discipline. the other ,abuse
And I've told my kids teachers in front of them. "If so and so acts up. Give him/her a kick in the butt."
Usually to the shock of the teacher, and the horror of my kids. So far one is in college and the other is entering 7th grade and its never had to come to that.
On the other hand my kids know if there is a problem with a teacher at school and the kid is in the right. I'll be behind them 1,000 percent as my sons 10th grade vice principle learned when I predicted the extreme physical harm that would come to him if he ever tried to search my kid again without him actually having done something wrong to be searched for. ( I believe my actual statement was "I'll come down here and search YOU with all the subtlety of a jackhammer)
But whoa to the child if he/she is in the wrong. I will also back the teacher 1,000 percent and then some. They know that also
So far, No problems from the children.
When it comes to kids. Im old school
I dont take crap from kids.
Not my own nor anyone elses.
If you kid is on a sleepover at my house I warn the parent. That the kid is more then welcome to stay. But they will be subject to the same treatment I give my own if there is a problem.
But I do let kids..be kids.
I must be doing something right because
To date I havent had a kid yet that was afraid to or didn't want to come back.
Too many kids these days go without discipline or being taught anything about respect. You see it in the way they dress,talk, and act
Old days. If a teacher or neighbor saw you acting up. They were almost as likely to let you have it as your parent.
And if they did you prayed your parent didnt find out or you would get it again when you got home.
These days if you see one of your neighbors kids doing something wrong and say something to them. Your just as likely to be told to F off as be told "Yes Mr so and so. Im sorry."
Course they always act like perfect angels in front of their parents.
And the parent these days aren't any better. Refusing to believe their little Johnny or Janey could possibly be in the wrong.
"Mr Johnson, You might want to know I heard your little 13 year old Johnny cussing like a stable boy in front of old Mrs Crochet."
"Couldnt possibly be my Johnny. My Johnny doesnt cuss."
Ok, yours is the only 13 year old on the planet that doesnt cuss and it must have been the other blond haired Johnny that I saw entering your house 15 minutes later.
Maybe the parents need to be beat instead.
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Most of the kids these days need a good spanking. I plan on spanking my children when my wife and I have some. Best thing for teaching the young minds. Timeout. What a joke. A good smack on the rump. Now people that go off and whale on a kid, that is overboard. Get a life people and stop being so danged PC. Crack out the leather belt. Still cringe when I think about the old man pullin that thing out of the closet. Did me good.
Timeout- classic example. My neighbors wife was big into that "never spank your kid. give him a timeout and talk to him"
now he was more like me. The punishment should fit the crime.
Not everything deserves a smack. But not everything doesn't either.
She was against it for ANY reason. And him...Well he wasnt always allowed to carry his own balls around with him. just went along
Didn't work worth a damn. Kid was damn near uncontrollable. Even he once said "What ya gonna do, Talk to me?"
One day he took out a carving knife and held it at one of his sisters.
Finally he said enough is enough. "We did it your way NOW we are doing it mine." and gave him a good old fashioned whooping.
That was about 10 years ago and the kid, Now 21 has been a better person ever since.
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You're missing the point. The majority of todays parents will not give their children a spanking, no matter how well deserved. So they will go with the suspension. Most likely unsupervised because most parents work. There you have it, vacation.
I was just in line at Target. Kid whining/acting up in front of me. Mom told him if he behaved he could pick out a candybar. :rolleyes:
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My mom would have said "if you behave I will allow you to live when we get home".
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My mom would have said "if you behave I will allow you to live when we get home".
LOL no doubt.
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My mom would have said "if you behave I will allow you to live when we get home".
Heh,
My mom woulda said "Your asking for it and if you dont stop your going to get it. Now KNOCK IT OFF"
And if I didnt. She woulda smacked me right there and then.
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It has long been the case in my family that my mother always wanted to hit me, but my father was more of a "time out" person, though he did woop me a couple times when I deserved it.
Most the time my father would save me from that smack in the head in line, and I turned out "alright" :)
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and I turned out "alright
Are you sure? :uhoh
:devil
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You put your kids in government schools you deserve a good whooping. Allow the morons teaching at schools to discipline your kids? Hey you put them there!
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You put your kids in government schools you deserve a good whooping. Allow the morons teaching at schools to discipline your kids? Hey you put them there!
No complaints about the government school my kids go to. something like 72% of our graduates go on to a 4 year college.
My son got into rutgers. had his choice of campus's. (He chose the main campus)
No small feat for a school that accepted only the top 6% of High School grads the year he started.
We moved into this town because it had a blue ribbon School system.
If someone decides to move to a town that has less then a good school system. and decides to raise kids there then it is THEY who are the morons. Not the teachers.
As for the morons disciplining my kids.
For something like 7 hours they have/had my kid/s. And be it them or a private school. For that time period they have responsibility over them.
If something is going on and the kids are acting up. It is they who have to be allowed to deal with it in my absence.
Part of the problem isnt that the teachers are morons. Its that we have taken the power away from the teachers to deal with situations as they happen when they happen. And too many parents that do nothing in the way of discipline themselves when something does happen.
Instead they blame the teacher.
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You put your kids in government schools you deserve a good whooping. Allow the morons teaching at schools to discipline your kids? Hey you put them there!
Was going to respond to this, but changed my mind and erased what I wrote. No way you can debate with someone so narrow minded.
Fred
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Back in the day, learned real early that if I came home and whined that I got the strap at school or a neighbor had slapped the back of my head, I got another from the parents for whining and a second for the original offense. It was the same for my friends.
On school strapping, we took it as a badge of honor that we could take it and were not wimps.
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agree with chalenge.. anyone who puts their kids into government schools deserves to be whipped in the town square.
lazs
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Timeout- classic example. My neighbors wife was big into that "never spank your kid. give him a timeout and talk to him"
now he was more like me. The punishment should fit the crime.
Not everything deserves a smack. But not everything doesn't either.
She was against it for ANY reason. And him...Well he wasnt always allowed to carry his own balls around with him. just went along
Didn't work worth a damn. Kid was damn near uncontrollable. Even he once said "What ya gonna do, Talk to me?"
One day he took out a carving knife and held it at one of his sisters.
Finally he said enough is enough. "We did it your way NOW we are doing it mine." and gave him a good old fashioned whooping.
That was about 10 years ago and the kid, Now 21 has been a better person ever since.
a friend of mine has 3 kids.....they're all uncontrollable, because he was always working, and his wife didn't believe in spanking or hitting.
his oldest,,,,,,19 now, is living in camden with a kid and girlfriend no job. that one, ended up in a fistfight with his dad(which he lost). did had him up against the wall by his throat, and the kid STILL didn't get it.
the other kid is 17 now, and is one of those types that mutters things as he walks away after a confrontation. i used to warn my friend that this kid was gonna get in trouble that way.
at his first real job, he did just that.....one of the mechanics that worked with him just about beat the livin crap out of the kid for that. this was after only 3 weeks on that job.
the youngest seems ok so far.
problem is, if they would've been disciplined when they were younger, they would never have gotten to this point. one of them, i think did take a swing at mom once......just once.........dad fixed that.
beatings bad, spankings ok......when the kids are young. as they get olderm, they won't need them....plus therer'll be other incentives to use.
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I was just in line at Target. Kid whining/acting up in front of me. Mom told him if he behaved he could pick out a candybar. :rolleyes:
a quick light slap to the cheek would've stopped that. the kid would've been shocked/embarrassed
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agree with chalenge.. anyone who puts their kids into government schools deserves to be whipped in the town square.
lazs
:rolleyes:
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I was a timeout kid, never swatted or spanked, and I turned out fine. The kids I knew who got spanked would immediately turn on something else as soon as the parent was out of view, like the family pet or local wildlife. :uhoh
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I was a timeout kid, never swatted or spanked, and I turned out fine. The kids I knew who got spanked would immediately turn on something else as soon as the parent was out of view, like the family pet or local wildlife. :uhoh
well, i got spanked when i was a kid..........came out fine......at least that's what everyone tells me........
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Back in the day, learned real early that if I came home and whined that I got the strap at school or a neighbor had slapped the back of my head, I got another from the parents for whining and a second for the original offense. It was the same for my friends.
Me too Milo. I remember when you caught it twice... Once at school, then again when you got home. And my mom would lay into me extra hard because I'd embarrassed her in front of the school or neighbors. Today, many parents are more inclined to pick a fight with the guy their sorry offspring victimized than actually be parents and deal with their kids. Throw in the good folks at CPS, who will take your kids away on the testimony of a precocious 13-yr old girl, and decent people trying to raise their kids today are pretty much screwed.
On school strapping, we took it as a badge of honor that we could take it and were not wimps.
Same here, although that paddle the shop teacher had with the hole drilled in it was the REAL acid test.
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The problem in today's society is that there is not enough discipline in the home...so when they get to school the kids are out of
control. The teachers have no controll because they can't discipline...and there you have it!! Out of controll kids and lots of them!
I don't have any kids but my brother does...they were for the "no spanking thing" They would tell the kids to sit in a chair for 15 minutes...guess what they would get up in 2 minutes. And my brother would sit them back down. Guess what? they got up again
in 2 minutes...so that didn't work...but when the paddle came out things changed...there was more respect then.
If I had kids and they acted up in school, have at um...they deserve it..they will be better for it.
That's the problem today, parents want to be the kids best friends instead of bringing them up the right way
by discipline. Lots of kids are spoiled rotten today. it is below them to work in McDonald's or in a car wash.
And the funny part is the parents are with the kids. No wander or government is letting the Mexicans in.
Our younger generation kids won't do the hard labor jobs like we used to. and the bad part about it is
the parents side with the kids.
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Couldn't agree more Kaw1000. Seen plenty of kids who won't accept a minimum-wage job, but they will accept a brand new car for simply graduating from High School. (something most house plants could accomplish these days :rolleyes:) And it's the parents fault. Pathetic.
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Lol I had a teacher in high school that would play lets make a deal.
He would draw 3 doors on the chalk board, door one, was detention,
door two was two love taps, door three was one hard swat. :rofl
It set an example to the rest of the class..do the right things and you would not
get swats in front of the class....guess what...he had the best class in the school!
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one time in high school the history teacher grabbed a kid and physically threw the kid out of class.
ahh, the good old days.
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one time in high school the history teacher grabbed a kid and physically threw the kid out of class.
ahh, the good old days.
Coolest thing I ever saw in high school.... I had a math teacher who was literally a tank. Big, hugely strong guy. He had a kid who always slept thru his class. Always. So one day half-way into class, he asks the class to be quiet and not laugh. He then picked this kid up, desk and all, and gently put him in the middle of the hallway. The kid slept thru the whole thing and only woke up when the bell rang and he found himself surrounded by rush hour hallway traffic. :rofl One of the funniest things I've ever seen.
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The problem in today's society is that there is not enough discipline in the home...so when they get to school the kids are out of
control. The teachers have no controll because they can't discipline...and there you have it!! Out of controll kids and lots of them!
I don't have any kids but my brother does...they were for the "no spanking thing" They would tell the kids to sit in a chair for 15 minutes...guess what they would get up in 2 minutes. And my brother would sit them back down. Guess what? they got up again
in 2 minutes...so that didn't work...but when the paddle came out things changed...there was more respect then.
If I had kids and they acted up in school, have at um...they deserve it..they will be better for it.
That's the problem today, parents want to be the kids best friends instead of bringing them up the right way
by discipline. Lots of kids are spoiled rotten today. it is below them to work in McDonald's or in a car wash.
And the funny part is the parents are with the kids. No wander or government is letting the Mexicans in.
Our younger generation kids won't do the hard labor jobs like we used to. and the bad part about it is
the parents side with the kids.
I've been working a minimom wage job sense i was 15 (I'm 17 now), but i am the minority with my friends. My parrents taught me from a early age that if you want something, you have to work for it. I had to buy my own car (96 honda civic) with my own money. I don't think a lot of kids these days know the feeling of all you hard work actually meaning something.
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I've been working a minimom wage job sense i was 15 (I'm 17 now), but i am the minority with my friends. My parrents taught me from a early age that if you want something, you have to work for it. I had to buy my own car (96 honda civic) with my own money. I don't think a lot of kids these days know the feeling of all you hard work actually meaning something.
yes, my first car i bought with my earned money, my dad was not poor, he could have paid for it. He even made me earn half the money for my first bicycle, i washed cars and mowed the lawns for all the neighbors on our street. In jr high i had a paper route, in high school i worked in a bowling ally at night. After i got out of highschool he got me a job working for him as a apprentice iron worker to get money for collage.
i think he was trying to teach me the value of money.
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I've been working a minimom wage job sense i was 15 (I'm 17 now), but i am the minority with my friends. My parrents taught me from a early age that if you want something, you have to work for it. I had to buy my own car (96 honda civic) with my own money. I don't think a lot of kids these days know the feeling of all you hard work actually meaning something.
Your parents have the right idea Sun. It'll pay off big time as you get older. And I'm guessing you're prouder of that Civic than some spoiled prk with a new Bimmer that his Daddy bought him. (Although frankly I'd trade with either of you. My first car was a 1966 Rambler; brown, silver trunk, with only 3 door handles. But it did have these really cool fold-down "date" seats :aok) And I paid for it myself.
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When I used to spank mine, I used a wooden spoon. Department stores have that one with the really long handle. I'd stick that thing in my back pocket & carry it around with me everywhere.
Lived in California for a bit... Policeman behind me in line at the Post Office gave me the whole "appearance of abuse" lecture. I told him that when he was responsible for raising my kids, that he'd get to choose how they were disciplined... until then he could bugger off.
There does come a point when spanking is no longer appropriate... because once they get a little bit older there are other "incentives" to not get into trouble... like removing of their outdoor play privileges... no bike... no after school visitors... no phone... While the whole grounding thing seems really "leave it to beaver," it is pretty effective.
*edit* I would have been A-OK with the school administration spanking my kids... when they were younger. Or calling me to the school to administer the spanking.
*edit again* Leave it to CNN to characterize spanking as "beating your kids" *rolls my eyes*
Those wooden spoons are the worst!!!!!!!! :O :O They really, really do hurt.
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Wtg Sunfan and the rest of you young whipper snappers!! Continue on that trail and you will be a success!! :aok
And when you have kids bring them up the same way!! :salute
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agree with chalenge.. anyone who puts their kids into government schools deserves to be whipped in the town square.
lazs
Many can't afford private schools. McCain is for vouchers. Anyone who really cares about the education of our future generations will vote for him if only for this reason alone.
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I've been working a minimom wage job sense i was 15 (I'm 17 now), but i am the minority with my friends. My parrents taught me from a early age that if you want something, you have to work for it. I had to buy my own car (96 honda civic) with my own money. I don't think a lot of kids these days know the feeling of all you hard work actually meaning something.
Don't worry work hard.... You find the harder you work the luckier you will be.
I grew up so poor that if I wasn't a boy I wouldn't have had anything to play with. :aok
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I grew up so poor that if I wasn't a boy I wouldn't have had anything to play with. :aok
So how thick are your glasses Baitman? :D
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So how thick are your glasses Baitman? :D
Proved that myth wrong. No hairy palms either....
I have 6 kids proved many myths wrong there too.... :O
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Corporal punishment...
First there was General Error who was reading my disk, then came Major Axis with his squadron of ellipses, now this?!
Where do you draft these guys?
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I think it should definitely be up to the parent how their child is disiplined. I do feel though that a parent should not take out the possibility of corporal punishment.
I myself have only struck my child in a fashion that was non-painful, mostly attention getter to let her know that I am capable and willing to do more, but rarely had to do more. I also have never used anything other than open hand and never more than one wack. I would never do to her what my stepfather used to do to me. Which was to tell me it was coming at bedtime(usually several hours after the fact) then bare-bottom with belt. That I feel is too far. To me the effective part of the punishment is not the pain but the shock effect that it can happen.
I will add one further thing for those that think time-out does not work. It does when they are younger I would say up until school age. Kids that age hate to sit and do nothing with toys all around them. My daughter took more notice to the timeout than she did the attention getting wack. For me the trick is take away their freedoms, for instance my daughter's bike or like right now she is not allowed to watch a movie on tv that she loves and is not coming on again for a while. I then make her earn back the freedom that waas taken away, by not only doing what I asked her in the first placebut do extra stuff as well. I believe that this will teach her to understand that the freedoms that she has are not guaranteed and must be earnedby doing things that are expected of her.
Must be working because all I get from anybody that she stays with or from her teachers is that she is one of the most well behaved children.
BTW she is 9 years old now and I can trust her with many things that I would not trust alot of adults with.
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I will add one further thing for those that think time-out does not work. It does when they are younger I would say up until school age. Kids that age hate to sit and do nothing with toys all around them. My daughter took more notice to the timeout than she did the attention getting wack. For me the trick is take away their freedoms, for instance my daughter's bike or like right now she is not allowed to watch a movie on tv that she loves and is not coming on again for a while. I then make her earn back the freedom that waas taken away, by not only doing what I asked her in the first placebut do extra stuff as well. I believe that this will teach her to understand that the freedoms that she has are not guaranteed and must be earnedby doing things that are expected of her.
I do about the same. Except the earning back part. Once it's gone for the designated amount of time... it's gone. The only earning they can do is the right to not have it taken away the next time.
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yes I set a time restriction also (forgot to mention). I just don't hand it back, they need to earn it back after said restriction.
Example: Just today my daughter was given the chore of walking new pup and decided that her idea was to tie him up with 4ft lead and leave him there, now she had been warned about doing this earlier and did it anyway. Well she lost her TV privledges for the day now in order for her to regain them she needed to pull a little extra weight through the day to earn those privledges back at the end of day.
We think this helps make her less willing to risk loosing them again. It does seem to work though because we rarely have to do it.
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Those wooden spoons are the worst!!!!!!!! :O :O They really, really do hurt.
What hurts even worse is wooden flooring.
My mother got tired of breaking wooden spoons and they were building a new house nearby. LOL
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SPANK NOW!
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:cdBEvXOi5cWiCM:http://blog.kir.com/archives/jail.jpg)
....or REGRET it later!
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My son is 20. My daughter is 17. Both are polite, courteous, and respectful of adults.
I've lost track of the number of times other parents have pointed out how well behaved they are.
The last time I spanked my son, I think he was about three or four, and I realized that I was doing it out of frustration more than anything else. I never did it again after that, and I've never laid a hand on my daughter.
Discipline is more than simply punishment. Beating your kids isn't some panacea that will magically make your child into a responsible adult.
Of all things... Consistency is the key. That and never EVER EVER compromise on a decision. Once you let them think they can negotiate with you, you're done.
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agree with chalenge.. anyone who puts their kids into government schools deserves to be whipped in the town square.
lazs
lol..Lazs agrees with Voss.
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lol..Lazs agrees with Voss.
Let me see if I understand.
Since the thread is about corporal punishment in school, and you and a couple other agree that anyone that puts their children in public school should be whipped in the town square.
Obviously you must agree with corporal punishment since you are condoning public floggings. By the way who will administer this whipping in the town square?
Forgive me, I was educated in the public school system, and since my mother is a retired public school teacher, I guess I just don't get it since I was raised and educated by morons.
It just amazes me sometimes how narrow minded some folks are.
Fred
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Let me see if I understand.
Since the thread is about corporal punishment in school, and you and a couple other agree that anyone that puts their children in public school should be whipped in the town square.
Obviously you must agree with corporal punishment since you are condoning public floggings. By the way who will administer this whipping in the town square?
Forgive me, I was educated in the public school system, and since my mother is a retired public school teacher, I guess I just don't get it since I was raised and educated by morons.
It just amazes me sometimes how narrow minded some folks are.
Fred
Personally I think Laz is long overdue for a spanking.
Problem there is.
He'd probably like it too much. :lol
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Of all things... Consistency is the key. That and never EVER EVER compromise on a decision. Once you let them think they can negotiate with you, you're done.
Consistency and a schedule. When kids are on a schedule you don't get arguments at bedtime and such, they just know it's time. And if I could convince my wife that you don't negotiate, ever....we'd be set. :D
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I didn't go to college to learn to spank children, but the old saying "spare the rod spoil the child" actually works. As an educator I've gradually accepted the fact that corporal punishment does indeed work. As long as a parent agrees to allow their childeren to receive punishment in that form. The problem in many districts is an ineffective disciplinary solution to problematic children. If you suspend them, the district looses matching federal funds for that day and their attendance percentage goes down(not good for NCLB policy). The only alternative is to dump mucho money into an alternative learning center, which is badly needed these days. The best solution is to have parents do their job at home, but in these times, that may be wishful thinking.
Mark
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The funny thing about this thread is a few are concerned their little angels are going to be paddled. Well, being on the receiving end of the paddle many times in my school years, I never saw one of those little angels next to me. The bottom line is, if your children are so well behaved, then there should be no concern about corporal punishment.
Now you can bring up the one in 100,000 case where there is a teacher that gets their jollies hitting kids, but in this day and age, I don't think they would be employed in the school system very long. Matter of fact they probably would end up doing a little Time Out (just another name for prison).
Fred
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The funny thing about this thread is a few are concerned their little angels are going to be paddled. Well, being on the receiving end of the paddle many times in my school years, I never saw one of those little angels next to me. The bottom line is, if your children are so well behaved, then there should be no concern about corporal punishment.
Now you can bring up the one in 100,000 case where there is a teacher that gets their jollies hitting kids, but in this day and age, I don't think they would be employed in the school system very long. Matter of fact they probably would end up doing a little Time Out (just another name for prison).
Fred
Agreed 100%!! All kids are not the same...some need the paddle some don't!!
So all you people that don't agree with the paddle, think about the ones that do
Need the paddle next time you disagree with it!!
Kinda like.....my kids are really good, we Don't need laws in this country anymore. we dont need rules in the schools
anymore...because my kids, are good kids.
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Up until kids are school age, reasoning skills are not quite as developed as they will be later in life. Therefore, logical thinking may not apply.
But... a healthy swat with the wooden spoon brooks all intellectual boundaries. Pain is universally understood. If the kid does something wrong, and it smarts right where they have some extra padding, the chances are they will be less likely to do the same thing over and over again.
Pavlov's theory isn't just for dogs.
As they grow older, and they show you what their habits and weaknesses are (TV, phone, video games, etc), they will give you all the leverage that you need. :devil
My kids are 10 and 12. They are out of control for their mother. They are well behaved with me.
Mom negotiates, makes "deals", compromises.
They know my plan.
1st time I ask
2nd time I tell.
3rd time... it will be less than pleasant.
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I didn't go to college to learn to spank children, but the old saying "spare the rod spoil the child" actually works. As an educator I've gradually accepted the fact that corporal punishment does indeed work. As long as a parent agrees to allow their childeren to receive punishment in that form. The problem in many districts is an ineffective disciplinary solution to problematic children. If you suspend them, the district looses matching federal funds for that day and their attendance percentage goes down(not good for NCLB policy). The only alternative is to dump mucho money into an alternative learning center, which is badly needed these days. The best solution is to have parents do their job at home, but in these times, that may be wishful thinking.
Mark
When i was in high school kids that were suspended were given it in house.
They were kept in a room with out a clock and with out anything to do anything all day. Kept the student in school, But also kept them bored out of their mind.
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When I got suspended (many years ago) I had to go to school for my suspension. We had a clockbut we had to copy the policies regarding punishment and behavior. Talk about a boring day and having that clock made it worse yet.
BTW on topic of corporal punsihmnet in school. I feel that this is and should be decided by the parents of the student. Though you may feel that it is a necessary tool, there are those that feel it is not only unnecessary but immoral as well and we all have the right to raise our children to our own beliefs (of course barring the usual can not cause harm to another).
A prime example of a society that does not believe in striking children was explained to my wife and I at Old Fort Niagara by a guide at the trading post inside the fort, who was raised on a native american reservation. He explained that when settlers started to come over they natives were shocked to see and hear of grown men striking small children. Like beating up on a defenseless person. In contrast though the settlers of the time noted how well behaved the children were. Wish I could remember the name of the book he referenced us to, which was written by one of the early explorersto the Americas.
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Let me see if I understand.
Since the thread is about corporal punishment in school, and you and a couple other agree that anyone that puts their children in public school should be whipped in the town square.
Obviously you must agree with corporal punishment since you are condoning public floggings. By the way who will administer this whipping in the town square?
Forgive me, I was educated in the public school system, and since my mother is a retired public school teacher, I guess I just don't get it since I was raised and educated by morons.
It just amazes me sometimes how narrow minded some folks are.
Fred
You didn't read my first post...And you obviously never heard of Voss.I think everyone should know what name he posts under now..especially in a spanking thread.
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You didn't read my first post...And you obviously never heard of Voss.I think everyone should know what name he posts under now..especially in a spanking thread.
I have no idea what name Voss posts under, gimme a hint?
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I have no idea what name Voss posts under, gimme a hint?
it's a beef cut..........
:noid
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I am not Voss..and i think spanking should only be done between consenting adults.
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SirLoin
When I posted and placed the quote, it did not insert what I actually was responding to. The post was not really directed to you alone, I was just responding to the whipping in the town square comment.
My apologies. And your right I have no idea who Voss is.
Fred
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LMAO! Only 200,000 students paddled last year.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/20/corporal.punishment/index.html
Not bad out of 50 million students and the fact that 10,000,000 probably needed or deserved a whopping last year! :aok
Sad...
Well, thank god for big bros, when your parents couldn't hit their kid and leave a mark, your bro sure can! :D
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Mom negotiates, makes "deals", compromises.
Herein is the root of her problem.
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One day, when they are almost beyond the point of control, she will understand this. That is the day that I will revisit the county courthouse and ask them to please re-define for me what the phrase "in the best interests of the children" and how it would specifically apply to my kids, and if the decision to let them stay with her has fulfilled the spirit of that phrase within the scope of it's guidelines.
Children(mine at least) are not negotiated with. Their life choices are also limited. e.g. I choose the clothes to buy and from what I purchase, they can choose which ones they want to wear to school on any given day. This goes especially for my daughter. I see how some some of these girls dress, today.