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Title: Pusher Planes
Post by: Bino on August 20, 2008, 06:46:12 PM
The Tractors are already well-represented.  What about some Pushers?

Curtiss XP-55
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/photos/xp-55_2.jpg)

Kyushu J7W Shinden
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/j7w/j7w-1.jpg)

Saab J21
(http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/img/saab/saabj21.jpg)
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: FDMEN on August 20, 2008, 07:24:45 PM
i dont think they ever fought in the war :huh
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: Rino on August 20, 2008, 08:46:56 PM
     The Ascender had cooling problems, the Shinden didn't see combat and the J21 was supposedly neutral :)
How about a compromise..the Do-335?  :D  One of each!

(http://homepage.idx.com.au/markvine/do335/images/do335_03.jpg)


Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: glock89 on August 20, 2008, 08:55:09 PM
     The Ascender had cooling problems, the Shinden didn't see combat and the J21 was supposedly neutral :)
How about a compromise..the Do-335?  :D  One of each!

(http://homepage.idx.com.au/markvine/do335/images/do335_03.jpg)



Im with the Do-335 :salute
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: titanic3 on August 20, 2008, 09:26:31 PM
 That just another uber 109..
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: Motherland on August 20, 2008, 09:39:07 PM
That just another uber 109..
Has absolutely nothing in common with the 109.
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: glock89 on August 20, 2008, 10:10:19 PM
Has absolutely nothing in common with the 109.
it true look at them 
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: ian5440 on August 20, 2008, 10:13:30 PM
it true look at them 

the DO-335 looks nuthing like a 109

at least not the ones i have seen
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: AirFlyer on August 20, 2008, 10:17:21 PM
Has absolutely nothing in common with the 109.

It's German. :noid
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: glock89 on August 20, 2008, 10:25:01 PM
It's German. :noid
or is it?  :noid
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: ian5440 on August 20, 2008, 10:25:35 PM
It's German. :noid

not only are they german but they also both have wings and a pilot to fly 'em  :D
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: Motherland on August 20, 2008, 10:26:15 PM
It's German. :noid
Lol, I was about to say that.
It was designed by a different company, uses different engines, has TWO engines, doesn't even feature 109-like radiator ducting on the forward engine... no.
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: glock89 on August 20, 2008, 10:27:04 PM
Lol, I was about to say that.
It was designed by a different company, uses different engines, has TWO engines, doesn't even feature 109-like radiator ducting... no.
you are right  :O :O
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: SKYGUNS on August 21, 2008, 02:33:09 AM
     The Ascender had cooling problems, the Shinden didn't see combat and the J21 was supposedly neutral :)
How about a compromise..the Do-335?  :D  One of each!

(http://homepage.idx.com.au/markvine/do335/images/do335_03.jpg)





looks very like a 190 with no angle from the cockpit back, looks slow
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: Motherland on August 21, 2008, 02:35:45 AM

looks very like a 190 with no angle from the cockpit back,
It, again, has absolutely nothing in common with the Fw190,
looks slow
It would be the fastest prop plane we have in game.
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: Furball on August 21, 2008, 02:39:32 AM
(http://www.earlyaviator.com/archive/1a/images/Fb12.jpg)
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: mipoikel on August 21, 2008, 04:01:18 AM
(http://www.earlyaviator.com/archive/1a/images/Fb12.jpg)

That thing looks like a pe..s and its pointing to furballs avatar. :devil
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: stephen on August 21, 2008, 04:48:51 AM
Dornier 335 is an excelent choice, as long as you dont mind having no rear view, and occasionaly knocking that bottom rudder off when landing....
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: Jester on August 21, 2008, 05:01:25 AM
My vote for a "Pusher Aircraft."   :D

(http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/p-80-1_300.jpg)

 :salute
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: lyric1 on August 21, 2008, 05:18:54 AM
DO-335 never served in squadron strength I believe,correct me if I am wrong? Plus with the exception of one running DO-335 there is no recorded instance of them being in combat.Again correct me if I am wrong. So with those issue's per game policy it wont get in.
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: BnZ on August 21, 2008, 07:36:57 AM
The Ass-Ender had worse problems than cooling.

The way I understand it, modern canard planes like the  Rutan designs, they make them safe from the stall/spin traits of a canard plane by basically not giving them enough elevator to pull them above the critical AoA when loaded within the CG limits. This is problematic for a combat aircraft, for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: Noir on August 21, 2008, 07:50:14 AM
The Ass-Ender had worse problems than cooling.

The way I understand it, modern canard planes like the  Rutan designs

I didn't know it was "canard" in english also  :D
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: SD67 on August 21, 2008, 08:03:45 AM
BnZ I believe you worded that incorrectly...
A canard aircraft is not designed as you stated. Elevator authority is not the deciding factor. They are in fact designed in such a way that the canard stalls before the main wing. This in effect makes them to some extent "stall proof" so that once a specific AoA is attained the canard will stall and the nose will drop until it generates lift again. This is know and the classic "canard bob".
It must also be known that the canard design is not entirely "stall proof" as a deep stall condition can be entered under extreme circumstances where both the canard and main wing are both in a stalled condition. Though rare, and usually the result of exceptionally poor design or treatment this is generally a non recoverable situation and can lead to fatal results.
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: BnZ on August 21, 2008, 09:01:54 AM

You are right sir, I did have things a bit mixed up in my mind.

But wouldn't that be a bit like flying with the stall-limiter on in AHII?

I googled and found MUCH debate about the safety of doing aerobatics in a canard design.



BnZ I believe you worded that incorrectly...
A canard aircraft is not designed as you stated. Elevator authority is not the deciding factor. They are in fact designed in such a way that the canard stalls before the main wing. This in effect makes them to some extent "stall proof" so that once a specific AoA is attained the canard will stall and the nose will drop until it generates lift again. This is know and the classic "canard bob".
It must also be known that the canard design is not entirely "stall proof" as a deep stall condition can be entered under extreme circumstances where both the canard and main wing are both in a stalled condition. Though rare, and usually the result of exceptionally poor design or treatment this is generally a non recoverable situation and can lead to fatal results.
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: Noir on August 21, 2008, 11:41:48 AM

I googled and found MUCH debate about the safety of doing aerobatics in a canard design.


That Rafale at the bourget airshow seemed alright  :D
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: Rino on August 21, 2008, 11:44:47 AM
DO-335 never served in squadron strength I believe,correct me if I am wrong? Plus with the exception of one running DO-335 there is no recorded instance of them being in combat.Again correct me if I am wrong. So with those issue's per game policy it wont get in.

    Um...it was a joke.
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: Furball on August 21, 2008, 12:03:12 PM
That thing looks like a pe..s and its pointing to furballs avatar. :devil

Always on the mind eh Mip? :D
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: Rino on August 21, 2008, 03:08:56 PM
     Back in 81 I saw a pusher at Rhinebeck Aerodrome, but I'm blanking on the type..DH2?
One thing I do remember that it had an extremely short takeoff roll due to wind conditions.
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: FDMEN on August 21, 2008, 04:54:17 PM
i've already asked for the 335...HTC wont put it in the game...sorry guys
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: SFraptor on August 21, 2008, 04:59:44 PM
a few pushers would be a nice adition to the game
Title: Re: Pusher Planes
Post by: Motherland on August 21, 2008, 05:03:26 PM
a few pushers would be a nice adition to the game
I don't think there were any that saw unit-sized service. Thus, none that meet the requirements for addition to the game.
Not that we need any late war uber planes in the first place.