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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: infowars on August 21, 2008, 12:16:56 PM
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I was just curious how realistic is this game. I mean I've never flown a plane but I sure feel like I could now.
Thanks
SWneocon
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Flying the plane is the easy part. Landing is what gets ya.
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<-- VFR pilot, and a tanker !
I know we got quite a few real life pilots here.
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The game is going to give you the basics on what the controls do but the game totally lacks the physical feedback you get in real life. Let’s take keeping the ball centered as an example. In real life you can be looking in any direction and get some feedback through the seat to know if you are coordinated or not. In the game, you have to be looking at you instruments to know if the ball is centered.
The game has no peripheral vision, no inner ear, no neck or eye movement, no g forces, or even sun tracking through warmth or shadow. I find I often get “lost” when maneuvering and watching an attacker near my six without those physical inputs.
In the game you don’t have to worry about traffic separation, ATC communications, weather, insurance, or how you are going to pay for the gas and maintenance. The game really doesn’t compare at all to real life. Thinking about it, I would say the flight portion of the game compares to flying a plane in real life the same way as driving a jeep in the game compares to driving a jeep in real life.
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Like you can crank your neck looking back while pulling 6-9G !
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What do military simulators have over this one. I'm sure military pilots train in simulators, there has to be some good from it.
Obviously with the physical factors lacking that would make it un realistic, but as far as other sim games and air combat games, how does this one stack up?
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Adonai is a Marine Pilot. IIRC, I think he flew F18s or something.... Dont really know, it's been a while since I've talked to him.
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What do military simulators have over this one. I'm sure military pilots train in simulators, there has to be some good from it.
Obviously with the physical factors lacking that would make it un realistic, but as far as other sim games and air combat games, how does this one stack up?
Those pilots already know how to fly. They went through a long and in depth training program to learn. What the simulators teach are prodedures and systems integration to fit into the world. In the military that world is not only ATC, weather and navigation but there's that pesky little detail of also fighting a battle. They train in simulators not to learn how to fly but to manage their airplanes systems to help them more efficiently kill bad guys. That's done on top of a civilian pilot who manages aircraft systems and unusual situations such as emergencies, systems failures and resource management. The Military can build simulators and put pilots into situations where they learn how to handle their specific airplane without running the risk of putting two very expensive assets (plane and pilot) at risk. They also use electrons as opposed to fuel.
Aces High is meant to be entertainment and does not provide an adequite experience to simulate flight training. While flying in the real world is not a difficult proposition to master the basic operation of the airplane AH does not prepare you for the task at hand to operate sans flight training.
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So I shouldn't put AH down on my resume when I apply to fly airliners?
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It wouldn't be half as bad as some of the weird stuff I've seen on resumes. :huh
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:rofl
It wouldn't be half as bad as some of the weird stuff I've seen on resumes. :huh
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It wouldn't be half as bad as some of the weird stuff I've seen on resumes. :huh
Had a guy come in a few days ago to fill in an app. In case of emergency, notify "EMS"
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On your resume don't include information about your favorite sports team, why you like NASCAR or your political affiliation. Those come to mind as highlights I've seen in recent times. The good news is I'm getting much better with my crumpled resume basketball hook shot into the waste basket.
I'd like to press a few of them into disc shapes, load them on a trap thrower and yell "Pull!"
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I was just curious how realistic is this game. I mean I've never flown a plane but I sure feel like I could now.
Your "feelings" (in this case) could get ya killed. I have no doubt that you could "steer" the A/C, BUT I can assure you once I slap a wing in your face via a 45 deg turn, and pull a few "G's", your orientation will go out the window. :)
Having owned/rebuilt a few Airplanes, I can tell ya for certain, flying a REAL A/C is much more involved than "role playing" with online cartoon A/C.
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Didn't your flying instructor ever tell you to not trust your body instinct and feeling? Instructor fail if he didn't !
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I was just curious how realistic is this game. I mean I've never flown a plane but I sure feel like I could now.
Thanks
SWneocon
208 hours, mostly in cessna 172N. got a little time in 172A, B, P, and SP. super decathalon(from the back seat), and a little in a shcweizer cb300. cherokee six, archer, and warrior, but very very small amounts of time in them. 2 hours in diamond DA20.
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Like you can crank your neck looking back while pulling 6-9G !
dude, 2 to 3G's is enough to make your mind go fuzzy if you've never done it before.
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So I shouldn't put AH down on my resume when I apply to fly airliners?
:rofl
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dude, 2 to 3G's is enough to make your mind go fuzzy if you've never done it before.
That's what I mean, how you can crank 6-9G in game and look behind ya =p which is really tuff to do in RL.
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208 hours, mostly in cessna 172N. got a little time in 172A, B, P, and SP. super decathalon(from the back seat), and a little in a shcweizer cb300. cherokee six, archer, and warrior, but very very small amounts of time in them. 2 hours in diamond DA20.
172N mostly, and as you said, 2-3g's is enough to make your mind go a bit fuzzy...
I've pulled 6 as my max... and although there's this game, the big mad military pilots, and the stunt pilots able to pull 9-12, I was working during 6...
Aces High, although you might be able to recognize some basic signs during an emergency (then again, if you can't, you're either, blind, deaf, asleep, unconcious, or all of the above :aok) you'd be surprised at how much different RL flying is...
I would love one day to hear over vox "Triggy2 you were not authorized to take off..." :D
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I've done 7G's in a T-38 while I was in ROTC during college.. I've never felt such intensity on my entire body.. Aces High simply can't replicate real life manuvering whatsoever, but its still fun.. :aok
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Eurocub and Mainair since -92
Done max 4G's in a sailplane.
IF you have rudder pedals you can do some training in on a PC sim
You react as you should after when u have to do things fast . I miss the thermals and wind at lower altitude that makes landings a challenge, specially with taildraggers in x-wind.
Warbirds callsign =save=
AH callsign gr8sh0t
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172N mostly, and as you said, 2-3g's is enough to make your mind go a bit fuzzy...
I've pulled 6 as my max... and although there's this game, the big mad military pilots, and the stunt pilots able to pull 9-12, I was working during 6...
Aces High, although you might be able to recognize some basic signs during an emergency (then again, if you can't, you're either, blind, deaf, asleep, unconcious, or all of the above :aok) you'd be surprised at how much different RL flying is...
I would love one day to hear over vox "Triggy2 you were not authorized to take off..." :D
ya..that's one of the things about the red bull air races......some of those gus pull over 9G's.....only for a second, but still, it's a LOT for non-military guys.....
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I always hope for the day the USAF need volunteers to fight off aliens with our fighter planes... I just knew I'd be able to confidently take on that challenge. I guess not. :cry
You know that ride at fairs or carnivals that is a space ship and spins. How many g's is that. Because I could handle that all day and look around. he he
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Adonai is a Marine Pilot. IIRC, I think he flew F18s or something....
You gotta be kidding... right?
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kinda hard to believe O.o
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So, how did this guy pull it off? :D
http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/061399/sta_061399031.shtml (http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/061399/sta_061399031.shtml)
"Moore believes the simulator training may have saved the boys' lives."
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Oh my gosh that is great. I'm so proud of that kid.. :rock
So, how did this guy pull it off? :D
http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/061399/sta_061399031.shtml (http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/061399/sta_061399031.shtml)
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I was just curious how realistic is this game. I mean I've never flown a plane but I sure feel like I could now.
Probably you'd find that you couldn't. But you'd still be ahead of someone who hadn't even had the computer experience.
As others have said, the computer can't give us a lot of the real-world major factors. Chief among these, so far as I'm concerned, are the G forces you get in any kind of aerobatic maneuvering. Flying AH is much more pleasant (I often think of an account of a P-51 pilot who was in an extended engagment with a 109. His oxygen mask was slipping down off his face, his right arm was getting tired, his left leg was getting tired, and he was about ready to throw up because of the nausea caused by the continued G forces). Also, the variation in things like air currents, engine rpms and wind isn't usually present in AH, and they cause a lot more distraction than I ever thought they would.
OTOH, AH does a pretty good job of modeling the main parts of flying. I know it helped me a lot when I was learning how to land - just the notion of pulling back the power, adjusting your angle of attack to achieve the proper speed, and estimating where you're going to touch down were a big help when I started doing it for real.
I've also noticed that my sons, now age 19, and my daughter, 22, all of whom grew up playing various video games, pick up on these things in real airplanes A LOT quicker than I did. Computers gaming really seems to instill a sense of timing and motion that we older folks just don't have.
- oldman
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Frenchy needs to be included in the list of R/L pilots.Had a chance to meet him.A real gentlemen.
ID
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I found it easier to fly in real life than fly and dogfight in most flight sims. Like mentioned before - the perf vision and the physical feedback makes it much easier. However poor wx flying makes it more challenging in small aircraft in real life :aok
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Those pilots already know how to fly. They went through a long and in depth training program to learn. What the simulators teach are procedures and systems integration to fit into the world. In the military that world is not only ATC, weather and navigation but there's that pesky little detail of also fighting a battle. They train in simulators not to learn how to fly but to manage their airplanes systems to help them more efficiently kill bad guys. That's done on top of a civilian pilot who manages aircraft systems and unusual situations such as emergencies, systems failures and resource management. The Military can build simulators and put pilots into situations where they learn how to handle their specific airplane without running the risk of putting two very expensive assets (plane and pilot) at risk. They also use electrons as opposed to fuel.
I got in an hour + in a USAF T-38 sim at Enid, OK courtesy of my brother-in-law, then a USAF instructor. That sim was about as good as it gets on the ground - hydraulic motion, a full two seat cockpit mockup, and a huge widescreen display outside the a/c. We went supersonic for a while, turned around and landed on fumes. A major blast. Later in his career he got me into an F-15 sim with a hemispherical outside display, like a small IMAX, and full cockpit mockup. That was non hydraulic and more for the weapons management that you mentioned Golfer.
IMO AH could help you prepare for flight lessons, to get you familiar with the basics of flight, if you actually use the instruments. But as others have said in so many words, in AH there's no oxygen, no G's and no funerals.
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I'm a virtual pilot flying some of the most realistic desktop flying machines.
http://www.precisionmanuals.com
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I was just curious how realistic is this game. I mean I've never flown a plane but I sure feel like I could now.
Thanks
SWneocon
I got my license back in 86. I took off and landed a plane as soon as I was big enough too see over the dash of my Dads plane back in 73 or 74. Have flown a 1940s porterfield, also the cessna 150,152,172,182,210 and the piper tri pacer and the stinson. My favorite is probably the Cessna 172 just because it's an easy fun plane to fly with 4 seats not to mention that it was the only general aviation aircraft left that hadn't had an inflight breakup when I got licensed. (at least the last time I looked the record was still going but I'm sure someone from the aces high NTSB will conduct a full investigation from their computer seat).
As far as the realism question goes, It's a pretty good attempt to try and give everyone a realistic flight experience without flying, unrealistic gamy stuff everywhere in the game though but that's why it's a video game. (sorry computer pilots). Go out to your local airport and pay a few bucks for a left seat ride with a flight instructor and you will have the answer to your questions right away.
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Didn't your flying instructor ever tell you to not trust your body instinct and feeling? Instructor fail if he didn't !
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How true Yenny, does not take long to confuse students and most pilots, doing a couple unusual attitude manuvers. Close your eyes
for a moment and you well not know if you are going down, climbing or upside down. Doing a few cross control manuvers
well confuse your seat of the pants feel for flying.
As a real life pilot, flight instructor I find that has does NOT help me much in this game. I find that I try to fly the game like I fly in real
life and this can get you killed in the game. IMO
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RV-6 and L-17B Navion since 1990, 3006 hours logged but currently grounded because of a medical (blood pressure issues and an undiagnosed episode of anaphylaxia). Ran an air museum for seven years, so I have hours logged in all sorts of a/c from G4s to Stearmans, AT-6s, Fouga Magisters, and MiG-15 UTI. Even have some right-seat B-25, C-47, and UC-78 time.
I think the standard 'stick back, nose up, stick forward, nose down' mentality prevails in the game, but as others have already said, the environmental aspects of feeling the aircraft and having natural forces acting on you simply isn't there, nor can it be in anything but actual flying.
I find the visual controls to be awkward, instead of turning my head to look at something, I have to input a keystroke or use the hat button on the stick, which takes away from the physical input to the controls, if even for a millisecond. It's one more thing your mind has to think of and process, whereas in reality your head is on a swivel.
I've never flown in a combat situation, so I can't comment on that, but I agree 110% that most of the things we do 'in-game', without actually shooting, would get us killed. On the other hand, flying 'for real', within the limits we've learned as real pilots, will get you killed really fast in the game. I think this is the hardest part of the game for me, because I'm naturally reluctant to put my virtual airplane into a situation that I couldn't get a real one out of. It's like closing the door of your car when you know the keys are locked inside, you know what's happening but you do it anyway...
J
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You gotta be kidding... right?
My thoughts exactly. No offense meant, just never heard about it/ 'saw' him as one. adonai, mind clarifiying? :aok
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RV-6 and L-17B Navion since 1990, 3006 hours logged but currently grounded because of a medical (blood pressure issues and an undiagnosed episode of anaphylaxia). Ran an air museum for seven years, so I have hours logged in all sorts of a/c from G4s to Stearmans, AT-6s, Fouga Magisters, and MiG-15 UTI. Even have some right-seat B-25, C-47, and UC-78 time.
I think the standard 'stick back, nose up, stick forward, nose down' mentality prevails in the game, but as others have already said, the environmental aspects of feeling the aircraft and having natural forces acting on you simply isn't there, nor can it be in anything but actual flying.
I find the visual controls to be awkward, instead of turning my head to look at something, I have to input a keystroke or use the hat button on the stick, which takes away from the physical input to the controls, if even for a millisecond. It's one more thing your mind has to think of and process, whereas in reality your head is on a swivel.
I've never flown in a combat situation, so I can't comment on that, but I agree 110% that most of the things we do 'in-game', without actually shooting, would get us killed. On the other hand, flying 'for real', within the limits we've learned as real pilots, will get you killed really fast in the game. I think this is the hardest part of the game for me, because I'm naturally reluctant to put my virtual airplane into a situation that I couldn't get a real one out of. It's like closing the door of your car when you know the keys are locked inside, you know what's happening but you do it anyway...
J
O.o this is why i focus on rtbing a lot. It just feel more realistic then just go to a fight and fight til outta ammo and die.
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RV-6 and L-17B Navion since 1990, 3006 hours logged
Check this baby out JHerne, it's for sale. I always thought those Navions looked cool when I was a kid and we new a guy that had a twin and a single engine one.
http://n124n.tripod.com/
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I actually determined to get my pilot's license because of the fun I had in Aces High!
I'm now working on my instrument rating, and will have my commercial done before Christmas if all goes as planned.
My instrument instructor asked me if I flew any simulators, because I was pretty far ahead of anyone else he was teaching. Now that I'm flying with TrackIR instead of using stick buttons for views, I find myself doing a nice instrument scan while flying in AH. I find the simulation highly educational; when I began my private I already knew about stalls and spins, and knew how to maintain a proper descent rate for landing, pitching for speed and using the throttle for altitude.
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That's a pretty Navion. We had one at my local field back in Jersey. I've never flown one, but I imagine it must have roughly the same performance as a Baron or Aztec.
A good point was made about RTBing...most players don't have that mindset, so they go in light with enough fuel for a one-way trip, giving them the weight advantage when they get into a fight.
I always try to RTB, so I end up at a weight disadvantage at the start of a fight. I've started carrying 50% with drop tanks for the outbound leg of the trip, sort of a balance to level the field a bit.
J
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That's a pretty Navion. We had one at my local field back in Jersey. I've never flown one, but I imagine it must have roughly the same performance as a Baron or Aztec.
Not a chance. With 250 - 300hp a side Barons and Aztecs aren't in the same zipcode let alone same ballpark. Twin Navion I expect weighs more than an Geronimo Apache with less horsepower and its single engine performance wasn't anything to write home about.
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My L-17 tops at 205ias Vne, 155ias cruise, so that's nothing to scoff at considering, especially when I OWN it and don't RENT it. Granted, it is a true L-17 with the IO-470, heavier gear, variable pitch prop, etc.
Now, when you take the same airframe and add another 225hp to it, you're gonna tell me a twin Navion is not even in the same ballpark? It's got a listed cruise of 170ias, so that probably puts the Vne well into the 220mph range.
Aztecs (stock, mind you) have a Vne of 210mph, and Barons have a top end of 233.
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As long as everything is working properly. Take note I mentioned single engine performance. It's going to, for lack of a better word, suck on an airplane like that.
Lets make it a 35ºC day with a 1000' pressure altitude. I know I'd much rather be flying a Baron or Aztec than a twin Navion. Single engine climb performance on a Twin Navion on a day like that likely doesn't exist but not having any performance charts I can't verify that.
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Ok guys, granted, AH is a video game and any similarities to RL are few and far between. But I wonder, how would AH stand up as a sim for those who fly UCAV's and the like? Their pilots may be hundreds or maybe thousands of miles away. How would our "game" compare to this?
Thoughts?
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Ok guys, granted, AH is a video game and any similarities to RL are few and far between. But I wonder, how would AH stand up as a sim for those who fly UCAV's and the like? Their pilots may be hundreds or maybe thousands of miles away. How would our "game" compare to this?
Thoughts?
actually, for a time, they were recruiting radio control pilots for their UAV's. the r/c pilot would take off the pane, then the military pilot would fly it, then to land was the r/c pilot again.
i think
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Ohhhhh.... That makes so much more sense, Real Life Pilots. I was thinking that Ralph Lauren had a small Airforce
I know we got quite a few real life pilots here.
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I found that playing AH made it a bit easier to control a RL taildragger. I have a couple thousand hrs in a few different planes but only a couple hours in taildraggers. My first taildragger flight was not encouraging... gross overcontrolling, no anticipation, basically the usual crappy first try student errors. My second attempt 5 years later was a LOT better, and the only experience I'd had with taildraggers in the interim was with CK/WB/AH.
It's not exactly proof, but I found that it helped a bit transitioning to a taildragger and if I ever get my taildragger endorsement I expect it to be a bit easier than it would otherwise have been.
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In real life orientation and target tracking much easier + a feel for speed and E state comes naturally. In cartoon world it's easier to lose track of target/orientation and E state not to mention ease in judging lag turns in particular. In cartoon world you don't have to deal w the myriad of nit-noid details that come with real planes like EGT,ROE and airspace restrictions. It sorta evens out except for the physical demands requirement. If you don't get airsick from the maneuvers 20-30 minutes of straight of pulling Gs will make you want to puke. That said, some of the guys on here will put in 100+ hours a month with near continuous ACM. Self taught or no they can get good fast. Even though the physical requirements aren't well represented in this game you are still fighting another person out there abiding by the same physics rules and flight models you are. (Hopefully :pray)
I sometimes think about how many lives might have been saved if a sim like this were available in 1942 when pilots were checking out in Wildcats with 50 hours in-type. Will it help you become a real pilot? Not so much. Will it help you learn some ACM and have some fun too? Yup.
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Didn't your flying instructor ever tell you to not trust your body instinct and feeling? Instructor fail if he didn't !
the first thing i was taught was "allways fly with your head outside, feel the plane do not monitor it"
we had flights where our instrucors put plugs on the gauges and we where required to performe 3 loops in a row.
only time you "switch" to fly by the instruments is night\ poor visibility.
i mostly agree with lefever, playing simulations will not make you a batter pilot by itself, but will make you catch things faster.
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Let me be a bit more specific folks. Is what we do in AH, sit in front of a computer and flying by "proxy", any different than the person who sits at a computer and flys a UCAV? Both pilots are isolated from the sensation of flight and must rely on compugen flight data.
And I'm curious, if there are some very fundamental differences between the two, what might they be?
Again, you all's thoughts?
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the first thing i was taught was "allways fly with your head outside, feel the plane do not monitor it"
we had flights where our instrucors put plugs on the gauges and we where required to performe 3 loops in a row.
only time you "switch" to fly by the instruments is night\ poor visibility.
i mostly agree with lefever, playing simulations will not make you a batter pilot by itself, but will make you catch things faster.
NIGHT, you're still best to stay outside
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Let me be a bit more specific folks. Is what we do in AH, sit in front of a computer and flying by "proxy", any different than the person who sits at a computer and flys a UCAV? Both pilots are isolated from the sensation of flight and must rely on compugen flight data.
And I'm curious, if there are some very fundamental differences between the two, what might they be?
Again, you all's thoughts?
biggest difference?
our airplanes= free
tjeir airplanes=multimillions :D
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Really Cap1? I wouldn't have guessed. :rolleyes: I was referring to the WAY in which the UCAV and our cartoon planes are controlled.
Both being flown from a computer in a location removed from the aircraft. jeez
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Really Cap1? I wouldn't have guessed. :rolleyes: I was referring to the WAY in which the UCAV and our cartoon planes are controlled.
Both being flown from a computer in a location removed from the aircraft. jeez
sorry, i couldn't resist the wise assed answer :D
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Low time, Cessnas, Jabirus, a Piper Cherokee6 and a KR2S.
I find that I try to fly the game like I fly in real life and this can get you killed in the game. IMO
I've never flown in a combat situation, so I can't comment on that, but I agree 110% that most of the things we do 'in-game', without actually shooting, would get us killed. On the other hand, flying 'for real', within the limits we've learned as real pilots, will get you killed really fast in the game. I think this is the hardest part of the game for me, because I'm naturally reluctant to put my virtual airplane into a situation that I couldn't get a real one out of. It's like closing the door of your car when you know the keys are locked inside, you know what's happening but you do it anyway...
These two posts probably accurately convey the differences.
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RV-6 and L-17B Navion since 1990,
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JHerne wonder if I know you, been flying my RV-6 for almost 20 years :-)
Jerry S
picture of it here: http://mysite.verizon.net/jsflyrv/Photo1rv6.JPG
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Ok.
I had been playin AirWarrior a few months before goin after my pilots license.
What it taught was approach control, site picture (you know what a bad approach looks like, vs a good one), and basic manuevering.
In the first hour in a 'real airplane' ('68 Cessna 172 affectionately known as 'Snaggletooth) I did the takeoff, S-turns, turns around a point, full 360 while holding alt-airspeed ..all the basics you have to show the instructor ..then we went into slow flight, power off stall, power on stall procedures.
No way could I have done all that in the first hour without flight sim background (er .. and years of building/flyin R/C, and .. er .. coupla years of Aerodynamics at Embry-Riddle .. perpeller beanie r me)
Solo'd in 7 hrs of dual.
Did a full aerobatic routine in Crazy Horse ..by then I was all the way up to 18 hours in my logbook of 'real plane' flyin.
We did cuban eights, loops, stalls w/10 degree flaps, clean, accelerated, power on, right, left, low level attack pattern, buzzed the Naval Weapons training center area, ..and then I landed the Mustang (kinda dicy as got hit with crosswind on final at <100' alt, I reflexively used opposite rudder to regain the line and maintain wings level as we were full flaps, gear down, engine at idle at that point. . somethin the sim taught me to do for linin up when yer dirty, low, an way slow)
AH does teach you how to fly. I knew when we did the pop up that I would top out at 3k alt or so, rolled in on the target, pulled off at 100' or so (just above the trees) ..felt entirely at home in the Mustang. Climbout at 180 indicated, ..all the numbers are very close to the 'real thing' :)
In real life, you dont have an engine out, with bandits in the pattern. You have time to setup your downwind, base, and final. One of the planes that amazed me was the Aeronca Champ .. it is soooo slooooowww .. I felt I could read a novel on final ..LOL.
Touched down, slowed down, tail down, got hit with crosswind, automatically slammed stick into the wind direction with enough rudder input to stay straight on the taxiway .. instructor could not believe I only had 3 hours dual then. Sims teach you what does what.
After an hour in Crazy Horse I was worn out.. 4g program, 400mph now an then, and it got warm in there when we were low, I was drenched with sweat after the low alt fun .. and at engine shut off I was purty much done for the day .. exhausted. Then again .. I had been up for 3 days straight at the AW Con :)
So yes .. go out to the airplane patch, pay the man 25 bucks for a demo ride and tell him you want to take the controls ..he will turn em over to you right after takeoff and have him walk you thru some of the basics ..you'll surprise him, and I would bet you wont stop smilin for weeks.
-Frank aka GE
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I was just curious how realistic is this game.
As far as the technical aspects of applying Air Combat Maneuvering (ACM) and energy management knowledge in a realistic environment, I think AH does an excellent job for a desktop sim. The physics modeled in the game with regards to accelerated stalls and high-G buffet I think are pretty darn good as well. This game allows you to explore all of the facets of real flying with the exception of smells, G-force fatigue, and the breeze in your face with an open canopy (c:
Oh, and mortality...
The skills you learn flying here will directly translate into flying real airplanes - once you adjust to the "seat of the pants" sensations a real aircraft provides. If you fly with a Track IR, it REALLY makes it even more realistic.
(Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land; Commercial/Instrument Single-Engine Land; Just over 12,000 hours as of June (last time I updated my logbook) Cessna: 150/152/172/172XP/172RG/182/182RG/185/206/310; Piper: Cub, Super Cub, Cherokee, Cherokee Six, Warrior, Aztec, Twin Commanche, Seneca II, Cheyenne IV; Luscombe SL8; Beech: Bonanza, T-34 Mentor, Baron, King Air 200/300; Type-rated in: Embraer E120 Brasilia; Canadair CRJ 100/200/700/900; McDonald Douglas MD-88; Boeing 757/767)
Soo... do I get a cookie? :D
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Soo... do I get a cookie? :D
Not until we find out where you've been.
- oldman
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the first thing i was taught was "allways fly with your head outside, feel the plane do not monitor it"
we had flights where our instrucors put plugs on the gauges and we where required to performe 3 loops in a row.
only time you "switch" to fly by the instruments is night\ poor visibility.
i mostly agree with lefever, playing simulations will not make you a batter pilot by itself, but will make you catch things faster.
NIGHT, you're still best to stay outside
<---- Over 18K hours in gliders, floats, helicopters, and fixed wing from Champ through DC10 and I agree that the BEST pilots still rely mainly on " Seat of the Pants feeling backed up by second nature instrument scan" in visual conditions.
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I was able to fly an old single engine Cessna about 18 years ago with a friend, but that was only straight and true, no fancy stuff. Ditto for a two engined plane that flew me to MEPS a few years later. Since then, it has been mostly flight sims and AH2.
Well... I started my official real life honest to goodness flying lessons last week. His attitude was "You're here, no sense in just watching. You learn how to fly by doing, not watching. So take the controls.", and away we went down the taxi line. He was impressed by how smoothly I did and how easily I learned the aircraft. He kept probing about my previous flying experience and I assured him I had not acually had my hands on the controls for 12-15 years. Then he asked about flight sims and my response was "a little bit on a MS flight sim and I have been playing Aces High online for 9 mos or so", his eyes lit up and responded "that is a fun game!". Mind you, we were at 5000ft and moving at a wopping 100mph in a 1971 Cessna 150 and it was noisy as Hell.
In my opinion, this game/sim will not teach you how to fly becuase it lacks so many realistic aspects that can not be mimicked. It cant mimick the quick ups and downs, ot the sudden sways left and right. A small planes isnt steady when there is a breath of a breeze or more. There are many other factors as well. However, it can help with the basics of turning, etc. I did take up a P40B and getting it crusing at 150mph. Just ot see if I can try and mimick the Cessna and it wasnt even close.
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I dunno RVFlyer, we've probably bumped into each other at EAA. I was based out of New Jersey (N05) for a long time, now I'm about 60nm south of OSH.
I fly a taildraggin' RV painted overall Fly Yellow (the Ferrari color) with black leading edge panels and the German 1/3 black/white spinner. I'll post a photo if I can find one...Anytime I'm around the airplane, I'm by myself (no one else in the family flies or cares to).
J
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Not until we find out where you've been.
- oldman
Hehehe - real life pilots have real life issues, I guess. This last year has been interesting to say the least - two moves, left my job of 14 years for a new one, had a house for sale, it flooded, getting it back on the market now, got a new computer rig for Xmas (thanks, lil brudder!) only to find that it didn't have a game port and none of my OLD analog stuff was working, finally (stealthily, from wife's prying eyes and pocketbook-clutching talons) accrued a total USB HOTAS setup and got my headset/mic combo working with this newfangled sound setup... here I am!
It's going to be a couple of months knocking the rust off - it's been ugly out there for me :eek:
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CapnMike,
Look me up when you're back online.. Be good to catch up.
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CapnMike,
Look me up when you're back online.. Be good to catch up.
Sent you a PM - catching a flight to Utah in a couple hours, will be back Wednesday! Good to see you!
capnmike1
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earthlink.net
*POOF*
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PM returned, Email sent. Ciao
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So yes .. go out to the airplane patch, pay the man 25 bucks for a demo ride and tell him you want to take the controls ..he will turn em over to you right after takeoff and have him walk you thru some of the basics ..you'll surprise him, and I would bet you wont stop smilin for weeks.
-Frank aka GE
Those demo flights haven't cost $25 in a LONG, LONG time GE. I think you can expect to pay at least $50. But you're right. GO DO IT!
I fly one of these . . . . .
(http://www.yippee38.net/images/Work/CRJ700_small.jpg)
And the littler ones too (50 seats as opposed to 70). :rock
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Littler?
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http://www.warbirdadventures.com/t-6_prices.htm (http://www.warbirdadventures.com/t-6_prices.htm)
Above is a link to our local Flying school...It's not cheap, but well worth it and you get to fly the plane!!
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Littler?
Yeah. As in more little.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/little (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/little)
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Man .. Yippee ..
..how the HECK are ya doin?
THAT is a nice ride dood :) Looks like yer livin the dream man :)
I'm thinkin yer rockin on dood!!
So.. tell me .. pay good?
Where ya flyin to an from?
How much fun is it?
LOL .. and WTG man :)
-Frank aka GE (there are times I wish I was younger and had better eyesight :)
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Yeah. As in more little.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/little (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/little)
Have a funner than average time flying them in that case...
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He must be one of those high quality "Surge" pilots I hear so much about.
Hang in the bud, things should get better sooner or later... Right??