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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Kaw1000 on August 22, 2008, 09:44:39 AM
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Catching Wild Pigs
A chemistry professor in a large college had some
exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Professor noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his back hurt.
The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.
In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and
asked a strange question. He asked, 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?'
The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke. 'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming.
When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in The last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.
Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run
around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.
The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America . The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc.. While we continually lose our freedoms -- just a little at a time.
'A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.' - Thomas Jefferson
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:O :aok
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oink?
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Sqeeeell like a pig!! :rofl
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Of course, you can say the same thing about the Conservative "Sacrifice a little freedom for a little security" progression as well.
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Of course, you can say the same thing about the Conservative "Sacrifice a little freedom for a little security" progression as well.
Precisely which freedoms have you sacrificed? Just curious. I think that approach is pretty silly... but other than a longer line at the airport... what freedoms have you specifically lost? The telco acts? That's a joke. You can go buy a cell phone at a gas station, pay in cash, and use time cards, paid for in cash. No way to effectively track it.
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Check out the law books....theres a new law every day....that's where we lose our freedoms.
When the people Depend on the government to bail people out of their poor decisions,
when welfare recipeants depend on the government..the government has a right to tell you how to live.
Right?
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Check out the law books....theres a new law every day....that's where we lose our freedoms.
When the people Depend on the government to bail people out of their poor decisions,
when welfare recipeants depend on the government..the government has a right to tell you how to live.
Right?
By that logic, you were never free to begin with. So, what freedoms have you lost Kaw? Specifically. Travel restrictions? Media restrictions? Involuntary incarceration?
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Let me make a list and I will get back with you!!
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I hope the first right the government takes away is the right to overuse, and to use inappropriately, the exclamation point.
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Precisely which freedoms have you sacrificed? Just curious. I think that approach is pretty silly... but other than a longer line at the airport... what freedoms have you specifically lost? The telco acts? That's a joke. You can go buy a cell phone at a gas station, pay in cash, and use time cards, paid for in cash. No way to effectively track it.
they're pushing harder for gun control. in NJ, you have to have specific documents simply to renew your drivers license. they're putting cameras everywhere. they're tapping phones.
hell, we had one of our R/C jets crash, about 6 months ago. homeland security showed up.
there's TFR's everywhere the president goes. i don't think there used to be.
if you bump class b airspace accidently, you used only to get a slap on the wrist. now you get a visit from men in black suits and ties.
as for the cell phone......all cell phones are trackable. even when they're turned off. you pay cash, and if there;s a govt agency interested in you, chances are they watched you buy it.....it's then a very simple matter to track you through it.
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I was wondering why the government was building giant barbecue pits near all US cities...
I wonder what kind of sauce they will use?
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So at what point in our history where we Americans the "Wild Pigs"?
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I was wondering why the government was building giant barbecue pits near all US cities...
I wonder what kind of sauce they will use?
A1 steak sauce of course!! :aok
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So at what point in our history where we Americans the "Wild Pigs"?
Nit pickin?
I'm beginning to get an Idea of what kind of person this is.............
Not a very flattering idea either.
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So at what point in our history where we Americans the "Wild Pigs"?
We were "wild pigs" when the federal government ONLY consisted of the President (executive branch) the Supreme Court, and Congress. Once we started getting all these federal agencies with the acronyms for names, IRS, FEMA, FCC, ATF, ect..... those are the fences and they just keep building more and making the ones in place larger to keep the herd reigned in and under control. :mad:
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Let me make a list and I will get back with you!!
I'm still making a list...man this could take a long time!
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Cap1....check out the new edf I built...this baby is fast, around 110 mph
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=761041&page=198#post10399194
You gotta get one of these...it goes 175 out of the box!!
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oops
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Only a pig would be dumb enough to believe this propoganda story.
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I'm still making a list...man this could take a long time!
You've got plenty of time. In half an hour I'm off for the weekend and debating using my laptop for a frisbee. Long week here. :(
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I hope the first right the government takes away is the right to overuse, and to use inappropriately, the exclamation point.
:lol
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they're pushing harder for gun control. in NJ, you have to have specific documents simply to renew your drivers license. they're putting cameras everywhere. they're tapping phones.
That's a state government violation of the Constitution. However, we've seen recently that it can be successfully fought at the Supreme Court level, which is a great thing.
hell, we had one of our R/C jets crash, about 6 months ago. homeland security showed up.
I find that funny & sad at the same time. I'm still anticipating a visit over some of my paintball projects.
there's TFR's everywhere the president goes. i don't think there used to be.
A bunch of things changed once Kennedy was assassinated. I'll agree it's pretty silly though. I remember something about a multiple hour delay Clinton caused getting a haircut on Air Force One. I don't know why they'd be that afraid of other aircraft though, when a guy with a MANPAD is logically a far more realistic threat.
if you bump class b airspace accidently, you used only to get a slap on the wrist. now you get a visit from men in black suits and ties.
You can already be arrested for trespassing. Since, apparently, this has always been against the rules judging from your comment, it's not a freedom taken away. It's just a waste of government resources when the guys show up.
as for the cell phone......all cell phones are trackable. even when they're turned off. you pay cash, and if there;s a govt agency interested in you, chances are they watched you buy it.....it's then a very simple matter to track you through it.
I'm thinking you give the government way too much credit on that one. :noid We can't be bothered to monitor our own southern border. A large joint task force couldn't find one guy hiding in the woods in Georgia. Reminds me of the people screaming that people would be put in front of military tribunals on barges offshore and executed when the patriot act was first brought up.
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That's a state government violation of the Constitution. However, we've seen recently that it can be successfully fought at the Supreme Court level, which is a great thing.
I find that funny & sad at the same time. I'm still anticipating a visit over some of my paintball projects.
A bunch of things changed once Kennedy was assassinated. I'll agree it's pretty silly though. I remember something about a multiple hour delay Clinton caused getting a haircut on Air Force One. I don't know why they'd be that afraid of other aircraft though, when a guy with a MANPAD is logically a far more realistic threat.
the presidential TFR's started after 911
You can already be arrested for trespassing. Since, apparently, this has always been against the rules judging from your comment, it's not a freedom taken away. It's just a waste of government resources when the guys show up.it actually is. i'm sure you've read about guys being forced down for violating TFR's, and for violating class B. like i said......it never used to be that serious.
I'm thinking you give the government way too much credit on that one. :noid We can't be bothered to monitor our own southern border. A large joint task force couldn't find one guy hiding in the woods in Georgia. Reminds me of the people screaming that people would be put in front of military tribunals on barges offshore and executed when the patriot act was first brought up.i'm thinking i don't. i've seen the equipment myself. we used it on a SAR mission a couple years ago.
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sorry.....couldn't resist :rofl
You'll smoke a turd in BBS hell for that... :cry
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Of course, you can say the same thing about the Conservative "Sacrifice a little freedom for a little security" progression as well.
That's not Conservatism. It may be republicans doing it, but it's not Conservative.
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Precisely which freedoms have you sacrificed? Just curious. I think that approach is pretty silly... but other than a longer line at the airport... what freedoms have you specifically lost? The telco acts? That's a joke. You can go buy a cell phone at a gas station, pay in cash, and use time cards, paid for in cash. No way to effectively track it.
This is one of the very latest "Fence rails" being installed. You probably won't notice this particular new fence until they come to pick you up. But, what the heck!...at least you'll have all the free corn you can eat. :uhoh
And before someone says "Hey I've got nothing to hide!" better think again...circumstantial evidence gleaned from today's modern data mining techniques can be construed in multiple ways against a person if the powers that be decide your not a "patriotic citizen" for instance.
It was once generally understood that if a person did nothing wrong he could reasonably presume the government would have no reason to "investigate" that person..that freedom is gone now.
These types of investigations have probably gone on for a while. But now with modern technology it is oh so much easier to accomplish with much larger groups of "suspects".
Now they are coming right out in the open with it.
I had a friend in law enforcement once tell me "From our perspective there a two kinds of civilians-- Criminals and criminals that haven't been caught yet."
<rant off> :)
Regards,
Sun
New Guidelines Would Give F.B.I. Broader Powers
WASHINGTON — A Justice Department plan would loosen restrictions on the Federal Bureau of Investigation to allow agents to open a national security or criminal investigation against someone without any clear basis for suspicion, Democratic lawmakers briefed on the details said Wednesday.
The plan, which could be made public next month, has already generated intense interest and speculation. Little is known about its precise language, but civil liberties advocates say they fear it could give the government even broader license to open terrorism investigations.
Congressional staff members got a glimpse of some of the details in closed briefings this month, and four Democratic senators told Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey in a letter on Wednesday that they were troubled by what they heard.
The senators said the new guidelines would allow the F.B.I. to open an investigation of an American, conduct surveillance, pry into private records and take other investigative steps “without any basis for suspicion.” The plan “might permit an innocent American to be subjected to such intrusive surveillance based in part on race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, or on protected First Amendment activities,” the letter said. It was signed by Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts and Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island......
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/21/washington/21fbi.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1219460754-a7klQLreIQFS/o6o4/gLPQ
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Anyone here read This Perfect Day?
Thank Uni....
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I ran across this article on the CNN web page this morning....
I wonder if this veteran pilot feels like he's lost any freedoms yet.
Regards,
Sun
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/22/pilot.watch.list/index.html
Name on government watch list threatens pilot's career
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- For Erich Scherfen, being on a government terror watch list isn't just a matter of inconvenience. It could end his career.
Scherfen served in the U.S. military for 13 years, as an Army infantryman in the first Gulf War and then as a helicopter pilot in the National Guard. After receiving an honorable discharge, he was hired as a pilot by Colgan Air Inc., a regional airline operating in the Northeast and Texas.
In April, Colgan informed Scherfen that he was on a government list and would be suspended from his job. He was told he faced termination on September 1 unless he was able to clear his name.
But Scherfen, of Schuylkill Haven, Pennsylvania, has been unable to do so and said he fears that it could mean he has no future as a pilot.
"My entire career depends on me getting off this list," he said. "I probably won't be able to get a job anywhere else in the world having this mark that I'm on this list."
Witold Walczak, an American Civil Liberties Union attorney representing Scherfen and his wife in a lawsuit, calls the government actions "unfair" and "unjust."
"It is quite clear when the government does something that takes away not just your job but your occupation, your career, they have to provide you with some means to clear your name," Walczak said.
The lawsuit, filed this week in federal court in Pennsylvania, asks the U.S. government to remove Scherfen and his wife, Rubina Tareen, from any watch lists or databases that inhibit their travel.
Scherfen is a convert to Islam. His wife emigrated from Pakistan when she was 17 and is now a U.S. citizen. She runs a small business selling books and DVDs about Islam, publications she describes as nonpolitical. VideoWatch the couple speculate on why they're listed »
Scherfen and Tareen have both been stopped when traveling and told by security personnel that they are on "a list." Scherfen calls it "embarrassing."
Tareen said she thinks they may be on a watch list because of their Muslim faith and her Pakistani heritage. The two said they are not terrorists and don't associate with people who are.
"I have no idea why I am on the list, and they're not telling officially that I'm even on the list," Scherfen said. iReport.com: Are you on the list?
In a statement, the U.S. Justice Department said it will not confirm or deny that the couple's names are on a watch list for national security and privacy reasons.
In May, Scherfen and his wife wrote to the Department of Homeland Security, asking for help with their case. The department referred them to the Transportation Security Administration's Traveler Redress Inquiry Program. This week, they received a number to track their case, but their complaint has not been addressed.
A TSA spokeswoman said the agency is seeking "a meaningful resolution" to the couple's case but said there is no timetable for doing so.
Meanwhile, a federal judge has the case under review. He asked that Colgan move Scherfen's termination date to October 1. The airline has done so, allowing more time for a possible resolution.
"Unfortunately, it is a problem that is shared by countless individuals who have no connection to terrorism, have no connection to crime and don't belong on this list," said Walczak, the ACLU lawyer.
Walczak acknowledged the need for the government to protect the country from threats with a watch list but said, "The problem with what the government is doing is that they really don't care about innocent casualties."
Scherfen said the pain of his situation is accentuated by the fact that he spent 13 years in uniform protecting the country.
"We served honorably," he said. "We served in a war. And they're thumbing their noses at us, basically, and that makes me feel ... really sad about this situation."