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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mg1942 on August 26, 2008, 05:06:04 PM
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... and West and US condemned the decision
Why should USA be angry? We are freedom-loving nation and US usually supports independence movements across the world. It would be hypocritical of us if we don't recognize S. Osetia and Abkhazia as new independent nations.
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... and West and US condemned the decision
Why should USA be angry? We are freedom-loving nation and US usually supports independence movements across the world. It would be hypocritical of us if we don't recognize S. Osetia and Abkhazia as new independent nations.
That's like saying the US would support Utah in trying to break away and become a independent nation, then claiming we don't believe in freedom if we don't let them. S. Osetia and Abkhazia are part of Georgia, Russia is only "recognizing" them as independent nations because Russia is playing games and it's in Russia's best interests to cause economic problems and help to destabilize Georgia.
Russia doesn't give a crap about the people there or their freedoms. Russia is only interested in gobbling up more territory and gas & oil rights.
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... and West and US condemned the decision
Why should USA be angry? We are freedom-loving nation and US usually supports independence movements across the world. It would be hypocritical of us if we don't recognize S. Osetia and Abkhazia as new independent nations.
Georgia is an Ally of the USA, and a soveregin nation at that. Russia provoked a military responce from Georgia in order to execute a preplanned invasion and occupation of Georgia. A clear violation of international rights. In order to send a message to the West/Nato and their neighbouring countrys. Now Russia wants to rip S. Osetia and Abkhazia from Georgia aswell.
You want your country to support these actions?
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Georgia is an Ally of the USA, and a soveregin nation at that. Russia provoked a military responce from Georgia in order to execute a preplanned invasion and occupation of Georgia. A clear violation of international rights. In order to send a message to the West/Nato and their neighbouring countrys. Now Russia wants to rip S. Osetia and Abkhazia from Georgia aswell.
You want your country to support these actions?
Not to forget that this war let Poland seal the deal on the installation on more missile sites to defend against Russia :lol, and i think Russia also wants these two provinces to believe Russia has a good interest in them
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Not to forget that this war let Poland seal the deal on the installation on more missile sites to defend against Russia Hehe!
From what I've read, those missile sites are to protect against future, potential launches from the Middle East, not Russia.
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Not to forget that this war let Poland seal the deal on the installation on more missile sites to defend against Russia :lol, and i think Russia also wants these two provinces to believe Russia has a good interest in them
I don't think that the Russians' intended that...IMHO, they figured to scare the other nations', such as Poland and The Ukraine, out of any missile deals. It backfired.
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That's like saying the US would support Utah in trying to break away and become a independent nation, then claiming we don't believe in freedom if we don't let them. S. Osetia and Abkhazia are part of Georgia, Russia is only "recognizing" them as independent nations because Russia is playing games and it's in Russia's best interests to cause economic problems and help to destabilize Georgia.
Russia doesn't give a crap about the people there or their freedoms. Russia is only interested in gobbling up more territory and gas & oil rights.
I know I'm being trolled heavily here ( :D) but have to say this - Kosovo.
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I know I'm being trolled heavily here ( :D) but have to say this - Kosovo.
Nope. Show me the corpses.
Russia can 'recognize' NYC and Kalifornia too (we do have corpses) and it'll be just as valid. The UN and NATO created Kosovo. Not the US or Russia.
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From what I've read, those missile sites are to protect against future, potential launches from the Middle East, not Russia.
True.
But if they weren't before. you can sure bet your bippy they are now
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I smell commies :noid (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/TNBrat/Emotions/Rant-On.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/TNBrat/Emotions/Rant-On.gif)
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True.
But if they weren't before. you can sure bet your bippy they are now
Apparently the missiles can defend Poland from Russian missiles, but there is only 10 of them so it would be very easy to overwhelm the system.
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Apparently the missiles can defend Poland from Russian missiles, but there is only 10 of them so it would be very easy to overwhelm the system.
And any attack on polish soil will be regarded as an attack on our own soil. :D That's what the Poles insisted on... and they got it.
Along with the main deal, the two nations signed a so-called "declaration on strategic cooperation," which is to deepen their military and political partnership.
It includes a mutual commitment to come to each other's assistance immediately if one is under attack _ enhancing existing obligations both have as NATO members.
The declaration also was accompanied by a promise from the U.S. to help modernize Poland's armed forces and to place a battery of Patriot missiles there by 2012.
Rice said the deal "will help both the alliance and Poland and the United States respond to the coming threats."
Poland and the United States spent a year and a half in formal talks, which snagged in the final phase on Poland's demands for the Patriot missiles and other points.
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I wonder if borodas liver finally gave out :huh
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Russia provoked a military responce from Georgia in order to execute a preplanned invasion and occupation of Georgia. A clear violation of international rights.
Georgia launched attack on South Osetia,and oh my God they fired back!How could they?No flowers for Georgians?
Provoked?Violation of international rights?
USA was provoked to invade Somalia,Iraq,Afghanistan,Kosovo,Serbia i suppose eh?
Ahh,i know you were kidding.
Funny guy you:)
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S-Ossetia seems to want the old "bear" more than Georgia. Maybe out of fear. It's got no chance to stand on it's own legs. It's mostly living on subsistence farming and tunnel fee (between Russia and Georgia). The size of the country is very small (3.900 sq kilometres, - a little bigger than Luxemburg, and 1/25th of Iceland) and the inhabitants were some 100.000 (?), and unlike those mentioned, S-Ossetia is not sitting between economically well-off blocks. Greenland and the Faroe islands would be vastly better off as independent nations IMHO, with their odd 40.000-50.000 souls for the sheer reason of natural resources, yet these are not independent yet....
My guess is that they get gobbled by the old bear....
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I wonder if borodas liver finally gave out :huh
He got PNG'd.
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Georgia launched attack on South Osetia,and oh my God they fired back!How could they?No flowers for Georgians?
Provoked?Violation of international rights?
USA was provoked to invade Somalia,Iraq,Afghanistan,Kosovo,Serbia i suppose eh?
Ahh,i know you were kidding.
Funny guy you:)
You are believing the Russian propaganda machine. Try reading something by a third party.
http://www.michaeltotten.com/
Btw, there never were US troops in Kosovo or Serbia. Kinda hard to *invade* w/o troops eh? Somalia was a UN mission as well. We certainly were provoked to invade Afghanistan, ever hear of 9/11 and the 3000 Americans that died that day? You might be right on Iraq, depending on ones view point. One out of 5 isn't bad though. :uhoh
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He got PNG'd.
How do you guys feel about this?
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How do you guys feel about this?
I personally think he had it coming. He was kinda going off the deep end in that thread he started when the feces hit the rotary oscillator in Georgia.
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you got to hand it to the russians they really have played a transparently jacked-up charade pretty well.
not only have they all but destroyed a young and annoying pro-west democracy and for all intents and purpose effectively annexed part of it's territory, they have also succeeded in putting the chits up their other ex-conquests, as well as exposing a post cold war nato's effectiveness in countering their aggression (short of all out war) is probably on a par with a womans knitting circle.
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How do you guys feel about this?
although i didn't see the post that got boroda booted and can't comment on it, this board just got that much more duller.
political differences aside, i like the guy.
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S-Ossetia seems to want the old "bear" more than Georgia. Maybe out of fear. It's got no chance to stand on it's own legs. It's mostly living on subsistence farming and tunnel fee (between Russia and Georgia). The size of the country is very small (3.900 sq kilometres, - a little bigger than Luxemburg, and 1/25th of Iceland) and the inhabitants were some 100.000 (?), and unlike those mentioned, S-Ossetia is not sitting between economically well-off blocks. Greenland and the Faroe islands would be vastly better off as independent nations IMHO, with their odd 40.000-50.000 souls for the sheer reason of natural resources, yet these are not independent yet....
My guess is that they get gobbled by the old bear....
Take a look at this, from a Wiki cut-and-paste:
Restoration of independence
Merab Kostava, Soviet era dissident and political activist for independent GeorgiaOn April 9, 1991, shortly before the collapse of the USSR, Georgia declared independence. On May 26, 1991, Zviad Gamsakhurdia was elected as a first President of independent Georgia. However, he was soon deposed in a bloody coup d'état, from December 22, 1991 to January 6, 1992. The coup was instigated by part of the National Guards and a paramilitary organization called "Mkhedrioni". The country became embroiled in a bitter civil war which lasted almost until 1995. Eduard Shevardnadze returned to Georgia in 1992 and joined the leaders of the coup — Kitovani and Ioseliani — to head a triumvirate called the "State Council".
In 1995, Shevardnadze was officially elected as a president of Georgia. At the same time, two regions of Georgia, Abkhazia and South Ossetia, quickly became embroiled in disputes with local separatists that led to widespread inter-ethnic violence and wars. Supported by Russia, Abkhazia and South Ossetia achieved de facto independence from Georgia. Roughly 230,000 to 250,000 Georgians[33] were expelled from Abkhazia by Abkhaz separatists and North Caucasians volunteers (including Chechens) in 1992-1993. Around 23,000 Georgians[34] fled South Ossetia as well, and many Ossetian families were forced to abandon their homes in the Borjomi region and move to Russia.
Recent years
Main articles: Rose Revolution and 2008 South Ossetia war
In 2003, Shevardnadze (who won reelection in 2000) was deposed by the Rose Revolution, after Georgian opposition and international monitors asserted that the November 2 parliamentary elections were marred by fraud.[35] The revolution was led by Mikheil Saakashvili, Zurab Zhvania and Nino Burjanadze, former members and leaders of Shevardnadze's ruling party. Mikheil Saakashvili was elected as President of Georgia in 2004.
Following the Rose Revolution, a series of reforms was launched to strengthen the country's military and economic capabilities. The new government's efforts to reassert Georgian authority in the southwestern autonomous republic of Ajaria led to a major crisis early in 2004. Success in Ajaria encouraged Saakashvili to intensify his efforts, but without success, in the breakaway South Ossetia. These events along with accusations of Georgian involvement in the Second Chechen War,[36] resulted in a severe deterioration of relations with Russia, fuelled also by Russia's open assistance and support to the two secessionists areas. Russian military bases (dating back to Soviet era) in Georgia were evacuated, with the last remaining base in Batumi handed over to Georgia in 2007.[37]
In July 2008, hostilities started between Ossetian militia and Georgian armed forces. This led to a full-fledged attack of Georgian armed forces with artillery and MLRS fire[38] on Tskhinvali region (South Ossetia) on Friday August 8. The Russian government claims that 1,600 Ossetians were killed in this attack. One day later, Russian troops entered South Ossetia through the Roki tunnel, claiming support of Ossetians and Russian peacekeepers already stationed there. Russian military forces entered South Ossetia and Abkhazia launching a series of air strikes against Georgian forces. Due to the intensive fighting in South Ossetia there were many disputed reports about the number of casualties on both sides, targets which had fallen under aerial attacks, troop movements and the current front line between the Georgian and Russian-Ossetian combat units.[39] On August 12, Russian President Medvedev met the President-in-Office of the European Union, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, and approved a six-point peace plan. Late that night Georgian President Saakashvili agreed to the text.[40] The translation of the six points is by the Times, from a French language document[41] provided by a Georgian negotiator.[42] Sarkozy's plan originally had just the first four points. Russia added the fifth and sixth points. Georgia asked for the additions in parentheses, but Russia rejected them, and Sarkozy convinced Georgia to agree to the unchanged text.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country))
Now, according to this, it roughly appears' that even back in the '90's, they've had some trouble, ethnically. The two northern provinces were apparently trying to push any ethnic Georgians' out, but it seems' to me that they could, or would, only do this during times' of disorder and civil war. It looks' like during peacetime, they didn't mind the Georgian's living in the North.
They're only taking advantage of Russian interference in Georgian affairs to try to breakaway. IMO, if they had no backing from Russia, none of this would be going on.
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How do you guys feel about this?
He should have just remained calm. Instead, he let pride get the better of him. He's not the first to have let that happen, nor will he be the last.
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Putin says US was behind conflict (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7586605.stm)
There ya go, Putin says it's the USA's fault... We made them do it...
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Putin says US was behind conflict (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7586605.stm)
There ya go, Putin says it's the USA's fault... We made them do it...
Should start a new thread with this topic.
This guy must be drinking to much lead in his water. He sounds crazier and crazier.
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"The suspicion arises that someone in the United States especially created this conflict with the aim of making the situation more tense and creating a competitive advantage for one of the candidates fighting for the post of US president."
Delusional.....
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Wow.. I guessed right! LOL
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,244155.msg2982267.html#msg2982267
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Im sorry to hear b-roda got disnefranchised from our fun little corner of teh web here.
Russia has some damned fine looking babes (once they get their teeth fixed).
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Being from a country that has separatist movements it puzzles me why the western world doesn't acknowledge the Independence of these states. We have two very prominent groups seaking separation. A party based in the west of Canada wants the western part BC, AB, SK and Man to become one and leave Canada. We also have a belief in Quebec that they as a province should leave Canada and they have had referendums on this in the last 30 years. If say Quebec separated I am sure the rest of Canada would be upset but would accept it and give them their freedom. Same would be if the West separated from the rest of Canada. Now we never run into any sort of trouble with living together when times are good. When times turn poor and the provinces start infighting then the talk of separation come back.
I am sure that the feeling of the Georgian peoples are the same. Times are good no body worries about it. Times start to get tough and people start lashing out at one another.
I am sure that the media does not do any favors to these people in these cases either be it in the East or the West.
:salute
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Isn't the west pretty much paying all the bills in Canada? Quebec alone is broke, correct?
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How do you spell CANADA?
C aye.....N aye....D aye
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Isn't the west pretty much paying all the bills in Canada? Quebec alone is broke, correct?
Quebec is one of the provinces that are supposedly on the take. We in the west have been referred to the have provinces and have to give to the have not provinces.
Right now Quebec is suffering though another deficit budget. The amount of deficit per person is the highest per capita in Canada.
Things like this will get the separatist movement going again in the west. We actually could see a time where the west actually separates from Canada.
:aok