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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: infowars on August 29, 2008, 03:03:13 PM
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I don't know if there is something in text you guys can help me with but here is my question.
I've been dueling in the furballing section of the DA, trying new techniques so to speak. I have now been able to saddle up real well in my p51d, with just about anything. The problem I have is I'm behind them so long trying to land shots that I get picked. I've been messing with my convergence and just was wondering is there a better formula. I've had mediocre success with two of them at 300 and the other at 200.
So I guess what I'm wondering is how much lead to I need for example 200d out 300d out etc... Also excuse my ignorance but is that distance yards or feet?
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I'm pretty sure it's in yards.
Basically, set your convergence to whatever range you normally shoot at. And set all the guns to the same convergence setting (very important in .50 cal birds.)
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I set my conv. to where the majority of my shots take place. In my case it's around 400yds. If your having trouble hitting the guy it's probally a gunnery issue, not a convergence issue. Gunnery is not a easy skill to learn. Like most things in this game it takes time.
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I set pretty much all my conversion at 200 yards. 20mm, 30mm, 50 cals, 303 w/e ! 200m!
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There are some birds I'll have the convergence pulled in tight, like the Zero and the Spitfire, and other birds I'll have it relaxed a little more, like the Hellcat and P-51.
I've been messing around with my convergences for a long time and I think I've settled on around 425 to 450 for all six .50 cal guns on the Pony and Hellcat. At least, give it a try and see how it works for you. The key is that with the machine gun birds, you've got to hit with your bullet stream concentrated enough over a long enough time to do the fatal damage. If you set your guns out to 650 then when you're shooting at 300 yards the bullets are too spread out and are less effective. With a setting of 425 or 450 they're still concentrated enough at the shorter ranges, and at the common 400ish yards range they're deadly.
ps: my longest convergences are on the 262, where I have two 30mm cannons set at 650 yards, and two 30mm cannons set to 550 yards. The reason for the little difference is that they're still concentrated enough for mostly instant buff kills at the angles I dive on bombers at, and the slight disparity in range gives a little vertical spread that helps when firing at fighters from directly on their six, where the profile is the narrowest and hardest to hit. The long range is to get extra loft on the bullets to help when pulling high-lead shots.
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And set all the guns to the same convergence setting (very important in .50 cal birds.)
Not really, I use a staggered setup (250/275/300) and it runs better, imo, than puttin 'em all at one...
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mine are all set to 350 to 400
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It probably has a lot to do with my gunnery. Any suggestions or continue shooting drones and mixing it up with other fighters?
At 300 out do I still need a lead if we're not pulling g's?
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It probably has a lot to do with my gunnery. Any suggestions or continue shooting drones and mixing it up with other fighters?
At 300 out do I still need a lead if we're not pulling g's?
Film your fights, and look where your bullets are going from all angles afterward.
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I can pretty much guarantee (from experience) that the main reason you are having trouble landing hits is not convergence but in your stick setup. In particular if you use a twisty stick you need to dampen the rudder and other axis to get rid of nose bounce. You also need to limit your use of combat trim.
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I can pretty much guarantee (from experience) that the main reason you are having trouble landing hits is not convergence...
challenge, sometimes it appears to me the farther out my convergence is, even with my standard ,50's and 20's, the lead is different for different ranges. back on topic, for my .50 i set my convergence in a stagger, 375, 400, 425, thats only for the pony. in all my .50 birds i have it set up at 400 for all .50's. my 20mm shots are at 200-250 convergance. on meh 262 i have all my guns at 650.
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Not really, I use a staggered setup (250/275/300) and it runs better, imo, than puttin 'em all at one...
You won't get the concentrated fire power that you will if all rounds hit the convergence point.
ack-ack
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Also, historic ranges for many dogfights were around 100 yards. It was considered outside of guns range to shoot at 300 yards most of the time (one pilot made a comment about a plane being "outside guns range" at 300 yards, but he knew some of his rounds might hit so he fired anyways).
400 should be your maximum "okay, no more shooting, you're praying more than spraying" range.
Setting convergence to anything beyond 400 (unless bomber hunting) should not be done. Your rounds are losing their damage the further out they go (they get WEAKER over longer ranges!!) and you need to move in closer and control your itchy trigger finger more.
If you want to learn to control your gunnery fly a plane with SMALL ammo loads. I learned to control my spraying by flying a 109F with 150 rounds only. I'd also suggest the Yak9U (120 rounds only). The more you have to go home empty handed to rearm the more you will learn to appreciate holding your fire until it counts.
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Not really, I use a staggered setup (250/275/300) and it runs better, imo, than puttin 'em all at one...
Not in AHII. They should be set to same convergence. I set mine at 350 in the 51D and it works well. :salute
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You guys shoot far out...
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Not in AHII. They should be set to same convergence. I set mine at 350 in the 51D and it works well. :salute
Well, if RogentX does the same, then I gotta go to 350 converge in my 51 :noid
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Well, if RogentX does the same, then I gotta go to 350 converge in my 51 :noid
What does rogent have to do w/ my convergence?
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I set all 8 .50's to 500. works fine for me. As soon as range goes from 600-400 I open up on em. :aok
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What does rogent have to do w/ my convergence?
2 best 51 pilots in the game IMO. :aok
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I quite commonly hit pilots in the head at 600-700 yards. Best shot so far that I recorded was 786 yards. There is one Jug pilot I have seen that can get head shots at 1500. My convergence is set at 425. I do more BNZ then Steve I think. Steve is more 'in the mix' and I tend to cover my squads bombers and enjoy that. Diving into a swarm of red usually ends with me limping home with parts missing and my squads bombers in tatters.
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infowars, I suggest you check out this page (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/convergence3/convergence3.htm) which has diagrams of different convergence schemes. Convergence preferences are somewhat personal as far as ranges. Pick what sounds like good advise and see if it works for you. If not, adjust it to the shooting situations you find yourself in the most.
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I don't exactly know how the distance system works, but here's the way I see it. If you are closing on a target... which is usually the case, an average pilot would start shooting AFTER they see their magic number. Let's say the magic number is 400 out... most would shoot after they close within 400, not just before it hits 400, because the marker still says 600. So basically when your bullets hit, the target isn't 400 out, the target is actually closer than 400 if you are closing. This is why I set mine for around 300 on each plane, both MGs and cannons.
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For myself, he Yak-9T is the best "gunnery training" platform there is. Go from 32 lethal rounds to 240+. Learn to shoot in that, up a plane with more ammo, and watch out.
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i use 300yd for everything when I intend to find enemy aircraft.
that makes 600+yd "long shot" and anything at 400-200 right in the wheelhouse.
oh but when I harvest pork with 190a8, I do 500yd, same with 110g2. :noid
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I don't exactly know how the distance system works, but here's the way I see it. If you are closing on a target... which is usually the case, an average pilot would start shooting AFTER they see their magic number. Let's say the magic number is 400 out... most would shoot after they close within 400, not just before it hits 400, because the marker still says 600. So basically when your bullets hit, the target isn't 400 out, the target is actually closer than 400 if you are closing. This is why I set mine for around 300 on each plane, both MGs and cannons.
I think just after you cross the 500 yard distance the icon reads 400. I start firing when I see it read 400 but with my reflexes its probably between 400 and 450 so I use 425. I still shoot cons at 100 and less and they just explode right off.
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Everything at 250 here, kills baddies dead.
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In the Pony and Hellcat, I stagger mine. Inner Guns 425, Middle is 400, and outher is 375. Works pretty good for me.
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Type in .target 400 into your text buffer then look north, this will give you an idea on where your bullets are going. You can adjust the 400 to any distance. Type .target 0 to get rid of it.
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