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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: redman555 on August 31, 2008, 09:28:10 PM
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About obama wanting to get rid of guns if he is elected... i know this much... somone better not come to my house and try and take my gun... my gun and pitbull are what keep my family safe :noid :aok
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What about the hunters? I've got about 10 grand worth of guns right now, they better give me money for them.
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When & where did he say he wanted to get rid of all guns?
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If elected, there's no reason to believe that Obama could magically repeal the 2nd amendment...seriously. :rolleyes: The only branch of government that really has the power to wreck the right of gun ownership is the legislature.
When & where did he say he wanted to get rid of all guns?
Yeah, that's the point, he hasn't. It's more hysteria whipped up in the place of sober political analysis.
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I don't think anyone should get rid of any guns. Require basic knowledge of how to handle them safely, and perhaps other means of showing you are competent...yes...Ban, never.
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Yeah, that's the point, he hasn't. It's more hysteria whipped up in the place of sober political analysis.
I kinda figured that's all it was.
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The crazy crap is really gonna get ramped up now...
Relax, Obama Fans; people like our poster with the pooch and the 12g who have never spent more than 2 seconds a year thinking about political issues will evaluate the hype for all of 4 seconds on election day, then drive right by the poling booth when they see a line.
You really should spend your time worrying about guys like me.
Muahhahhahhahha!
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If elected, there's no reason to believe that Obama could magically repeal the 2ND amendment...seriously. :rolleyes: The only branch of government that really has the power to wreck the right of gun ownership is the legislature.
Yeah, that's the point, he hasn't. It's more hysteria whipped up in the place of sober political analysis.
you are right that he could not by himself get your guns, or mine! but he is for gun control and or surrendering most nonhunting type of weapons I.E. handguns, assault rifles!
now you can vote for him if you like, but for those who support the second amendment it is a risky idea to vote for someone who does not want what you want, just because you don't think he can change it!
you never know when some loony will go shoot up a classroom or something, and get congress all in a panic,
a sad thing this would be, but not a reason to give up your rights! say the reason he did it was because of free speech , someone spoke against his ideals, so he goes postal and kills,
the gov, takes away free speech and guns,which was the bigger loss to the people
A. free speech first amendment
B. loss of the ability too own a gun second amendment
C. all of the above
for me my answer is C. there are many who i think are plenty more dangerous just with there ability too speak than there ability to shoot! i don't wish too silence them, i only choose not too listen,when i can!
but sometimes we must listen, and respond, so as too protect our right not to hear, as much as there right to say that which we don't care to listen too!
this argument is very similar for both 1st and 2ND amendment,
the fact that all have the right to own and bear arms means that they have the right to oppose different ideals, by force if necessary but only in diffence of our own, this goes against socialism were the good of the group outway the individual rights of the people!guns have always been an extension of means of communicating will,by other means!
laws say what will is legal and what is not!
politicians use guns to further there agenda after other means have failed to provide for there agenda!
so if you really want peace in this world, take the guns away from the politicians!!!
and by all means arm the people!!!
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nice lookin Pit Redman, id still take my Rott over a pit any day though. as far as the subject goes, should Obama say this, and somehow convince the Legislature to override the 2nd amendment, i know many people that would lose half theyre life spendings on just guns and ammo....then youd have the soldiers. they go around shootin at Ragheads for however long a tour is, and get used to a gun, not saying that soldiers are obsessed with guns, but im just saying im sure there are a few soldiers who may depend on some sort of gun, bow or shotgun, tank or rifle, for them to feel safe. just my 2 cents, not saying its true :salute
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The crazy crap is really gonna get ramped up now...
Relax, Obama Fans; people like our poster with the pooch and the 12g who have never spent more than 2 seconds a year thinking about political issues will evaluate the hype for all of 4 seconds on election day, then drive right by the poling booth when they see a line.
You really should spend your time worrying about guys like me.
Muahhahhahhahha!
Hangtime keeps me up at night (no homo) :noid
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Being in favor of gun control can mean a lot of things, and it's jumping the gun (intentional pun) to say it means taking away handguns and hunting weapons (fwiw, I a much happier with my neighbor owning a rifle than a handgun).
you are right that he could not by himself get your guns, or mine! but he is for gun control and or surrendering most nonhunting type of weapons I.E. handguns, assault rifles!
Listen, I hate both political parties, but the burden of proof is on anyone here who wants to say this or that politician is going to take away your guns. What's the evidence? Has he said he's in favor of banning hand guns? In most cases, politicians who say they support gun control mean they are in favor of intensive background checks for things like mental health or a criminal record, or regulating the sale of firearms at gun shows, etc.
There's also a new alignment of hunters and conservationists, e.g. ducks unlimited. It will be interesting to see how these alliances play out in the future of the democratic party.
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You could possibly see a(n) assault weapons' ban such as the one put in place during the Clinton administration, and which was recently allowed to sunset. However, It would take all three branches of gov't. to repeal the 2nd.
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(fwiw, I a much happier with my neighbor owning a rifle than a handgun).
Silly liberal... the purpose of a handgun is to keep the gun owner alive long enough to fight his way to his rifle.
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There's also a new alignment of hunters and conservationists, e.g. ducks unlimited.
Ducks Unlimited is certainly not new, it was founded in 1937.
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A Fire arm is not a weapon unless you make it one.
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He does want to ban assualt rifles again. Seems that he believes that banning them would keep them out of criminals hands :huh
I have a few rifles and a few pistols. Three quarters of them are barrel stuffers. The really cool thing is if i can't get them loaded fast enough the rifles make really good clubs. Hence the reason some indians feared the mountain man. If I get the .54 Thompson loaded I can remove body parts at close range.
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He does want to ban assualt rifles again. Seems that he believes that banning them would keep them out of criminals hands :huh
Complete and utter fallacy. All this does is ensure that criminals are the only ones who have their hands on them.
Ask me how I know :aok
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obama is in favor of reasonable gun control, you know like you can have a gun but it must be disassembled and part kept in the basement the rest locked in the attic and the ammo in the garage.
but you still have a gun, so watcha crying about.
mmm this koolaid is good, here try some.
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Oh great.
Hang on Mr bad guy, can you please not shoot me, plunder my house and rape my wife until I run around and reassemble my gun sir?
That'll work :aok
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Yeah guys.......Geeeeeezz. Why in the world would anyone ever believe this cat wanted to have your guns taken away.
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Obama was named a director of the Joyce Foundation in late 1994, and remained in that position until late 2002.
During Obama’s tenure with the Joyce Foundation, donations to anti-gun groups increased dramatically. For example, in 1997 and 1998 the Violence Policy Center received $221,000 and $360,000 from the Foundation; those grants and donations increased to $1 million in 2000 and $800,000 in 2002. In all, during Obama’s tenure, the group received $15 million from the Joyce Foundation.
The Violence Policy Center, despite its name, never seems all that concerned with beatings, stabbings, immolations or explosions. No, they’re completely focused on gun violence, and they can effectively be called an anti-gun or pro-gun control organization.
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As far as what it would take to take your guns away, some just don`t get it.
This weasel wants to change all that. He wants to change the way things are done all the way around. He seems to want to be the beginning of the end for our way of life. He desires to trample the constitution for starts.
Anyone believing that Obama doesn`t want to take your guns, your personal rights and your freedom is equal to someone standing in the middle of a downpour saying "What Rain?".
The guy is a very serious threat to our country in my opinion. I am certainly not alone by a long shot.
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Ducks Unlimited is certainly not new, it was founded in 1937.
I didn't say DU is new. I said the alignment between conservationists and hunting advocates is new. Ducks unlimited is an example of an organization that has made a real effort to educate the public about wildlife ecology.
FYI, I agree that assault weapon bans are silly. A tiny fraction of gun crime is perpetrated with them, and there is nothing about the weapons that is more dangerous than a semi-automatic rifle except for the pistol grip, if you think that counts.
People in my position, e.g. not ideologically committed one way or the other, have the same dilemma over both candidates: both support positions that we do not agree with. Because of the political leanings of this forum, the concerns that a middle of the road voter has about McCain are not spoken about.
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A Fire arm is not a weapon unless you make it one.
That's the smartest thing I've ever seen you say, ever.
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he just wants to keep guns out of the wrong hands.
guess what.. you have the wrong hands.
osamabibiden gets a solid "F" rating from the NRA.. that is about all you need to know.. he would love to stop all concealed carry and all semi auto firearms.. His idea of "reasonable" would get rid of about 90% of the guns in most of our homes and then make it so we couldn't use the rest.
While he can't repeal the second on his own... he can appoint the people who will... and he will.. We just had a landmark case on gun control.. Heller.. you might have heard of it.
It was a squeaker so far as getting rid of gun bans.... 5/4... imagine if Bush had not appointed two of those judges who ruled in favor of the people and individual rights? the liberal socialist judges spouted off about "collective rights" (sorta like marx) and governments rights... yours don't count.
Nope... osamabinbiden can't repeal the second but they can damage it.. they can appoint judges and they can rubber stamp every anti second bill that comes before em.
lazs
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McCain= lesser of two evils
His VP pick was right on. She has more leadership experience than Obama. She is in control of one of the best
National Guard units in the country. Her idea of energy independance doesn't include using food for fuel.
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The only thing that I have heard him say about guns since the convention was kicked off was that he believes that we can find a way to preserve the rights of gun-owning hunters while keeping AK-47s out of the hands of criminals....which perfectly illustrates the fact that he knows absolutely squat about guns and crime. Assault rifles are so seldom used in crimes that it almost doesn't register as a statistic.
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obama is in favor of reasonable gun control, you know like you can have a gun but it must be disassembled and part kept in the basement the rest locked in the attic and the ammo in the garage.
but you still have a gun, so watcha crying about.
mmm this koolaid is good, here try some.
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Your Pitbull has a gun? :O I'm not going anywhere near your house!
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When & where did he say he wanted to get rid of all guns?
he wants to take guns out of the hands of ppl, so you cant have them in your home and stuff, they have 2 be put in a public safe
-BigBOBCH
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The crazy crap is really gonna get ramped up now...
Relax, Obama Fans; people like our poster with the pooch and the 12g who have never spent more than 2 seconds a year thinking about political issues will evaluate the hype for all of 4 seconds on election day, then drive right by the poling booth when they see a line.
You really should spend your time worrying about guys like me.
Muahhahhahhahha!
Says the self-proclaimed independent fence setter.
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osamabinbiden is bad for the second.. no doubt about that.. the judges he will appoint will be even worse for the second.
If the second is important to you then osamabinbiden is the worst candidate out there. If you don't care then you can look at the other issues.. where he is wrong 99% of the time too.
lazs
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Just did a little research. OBama voted to ban hand guns in Illionois.
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He wants to get rid of guns, this will happen when my crap turns purple and smells like rainbow shebert :devil
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Listen, I hate both political parties, but the burden of proof is on anyone here who wants to say this or that politician is going to take away your guns. What's the evidence? Has he said he's in favor of banning hand guns?
Obama's voting record on gun control:
http://www.nraila.org/obama/
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That's the normal response from a fanboy of the anointed one when shown his voting record. I suppose we are all misunderstanding his past votes and we aren't seeing them in the proper context huh?
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If elected, there's no reason to believe that Obama could magically repeal the 2nd amendment...
As an old history teacher of mine once said... (I don't agree, but it's funny :))
'Back when the constitution was signed, I doubt they had any idea of what full auto guns we'd have today, there were saying, 'Everyone is entitiled to a gun to defend our country'... they had muskets, single shot, muzzleloading muskets, now... Since they meant muskets, I think everyone is entitled to a musket, I mean, seriously, can you imagine a drive by with a musket?' :lol
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As an old history teacher of mine once said... (I don't agree, but it's funny :))
'Back when the constitution was signed, I doubt they had any idea of what full auto guns we'd have today, there were saying, 'Everyone is entitiled to a gun to defend our country'... they had muskets, single shot, muzzleloading muskets, now... Since they meant muskets, I think everyone is entitled to a musket, I mean, seriously, can you imagine a drive by with a musket?' :lol
Ahhh.. but your liberal twit teacher failed to note that the military forces they were defending themselves from also had muskets.
Up until the 1930's we, the citizens; had the ability to equip ourselves with the same hardware the military had.. machine guns and all. Now, your only allowed a semi-auto rifle.. at most. That includes AK's.. they look evil.. but it's one shot per trigger pull... vs helicopters, missiles, flame throwers, artillery, and full auto rifles and machine guns.
So, in essence.. what your liberal weenie teacher told you is in a bent way; correct. We have the equivalent of muskets vs what the forces of tyranny will bring to the subjugation station.
And, they wanna take THOSE away too.
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Back when they wrote the First Amendement that includes freedom of speech all they had were podiums in the town square, printing presses that took a week to turn out one stack of broadsheets and a mail system that took weeks to get a letter from Charleston to New York City.
So, by your teacher's <cough>wisdom,</cough> that's all anyone should be using to spread the word now, right?
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Back when they wrote the First Amendement that includes freedom of speech all they had were podiums in the town square, printing presses that took a week to turn out one stack of broadsheets and a mail system that took weeks to get a letter from Charleston to New York City.
So, by your teacher's <cough>wisdom,</cough> that's all anyone should be using to spread the word now, right?
that is perfection!! :salute
to argue the first and second in the same way!
ok no auto weapons and no computer blogs
no mac 9's and no tv news!
no semi automatic's and the newspaper only comes out once a week!
i like it :aok