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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hangtime on September 04, 2008, 10:08:27 PM
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'Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight. Nothing is inevitable here. We're Americans, and we never give up. We never quit. We never hide from history. We make history.'
That'll be a signature line, I'd guess.
Best speech I've ever seen him make.
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1st half I'll give it a C+. Second half I'll give it an AAAA+++++
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Agreed.
I'm not going to vote for him... but my God I respect the man.
Well done Johnny Mac :aok
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Started a bit slow but picked up in the second half
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Agreed....a solid performance. "My country saved me" and the story behind his transformation from a cocky, arrogant, self-centered fly-boy to a man who put others and his country first was a touching change from the typical hero tales we've been hearing.
As one of the preliminary speakers noted...the main difference between the candidates on the Republican ticket and those on the democratic ticket is that the Republican candidates are "real."
It will be interesting to see what kind of "bump" McCain will get from the convention and this speech.
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Don't hippies realize it makes them and their cause look so much more foolish when they interrupt these kinds of things all the time? Why they even put cameras on them is beyond me. Show some class. If you can't get on TV running on a sports field you sure as hell shouldn't interrupting the nomination of a presidential candidate. There's a proper time to protest... at least McCain handled it well.
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Don't hippies realize it makes them and their cause look so much more foolish when they interrupt these kinds of things all the time? Why they even put cameras on them is beyond me. Show some class. If you can't get on TV running on a sports field you sure as hell shouldn't interrupting the nomination of a presidential candidate. There's a proper time to protest... at least McCain handled it well.
I say...40 lashes with a wet noodle!!
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I say...40 lashes with a wet noodle!!
Naw, just make them take a shower.
;)
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Don't hippies realize it makes them and their cause look so much more foolish when they interrupt these kinds of things all the time?
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h204/coroad100/Seth%20Stuff/cartmanhippies.jpg)
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Dems got no chance in HELL! K/O there :aok
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A++++ speech - I only wish we could have been treated to seeing that Micheal Moore looking goofball tazed :D
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A++++ speech - I only wish we could have been treated to seeing that Micheal Moore looking goofball tazed :D
:lol :lol :lol yea :lol :lol
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Was a good speech.
Wasnt a home run like last night. More like a streched out triple.
But made a good case for himself nontheless.
Yet again. I'll say just as I did on the Obama speech and last nights Palin speech. "Taken at face value"
I'd like to believe he can get done what he claims he wants to. But with a Democrat controlled congress who wont be happy if they loose another election.
Im not so sure how co operative they will be no matter how left leaning a Rep pres would be.
Addressed the middle more which is something he needs to do even more of for him to have a legitimate chance.
If he does this and wins. Then he can take issues to the public and get the public behind him.
Any president who can get the public behind him will make it very difficult for anyone to go against him as it would be political suicide.
Thats something that GWB didnt quite get. (understand)
But to do that he HAS to appeal to the middle.
On a side note.
SHAME on CNN for giving so much coverage to the distractors.
They didnt do that during the Obama speech.
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He did a great job. Great man.
And I have to tell ya...looking at his wife and his VP pick makes me think impure thoughts. Just had to get that out there.
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I think that McCain, in his own way, delivered a speech every bit as good as Governor Palin's last night.
The Republican's on this ticket sure are making lots of promises about change, lets hope they keep those promises. Especially about our schools, empower the parents with choices. Get rid of those bad teachers. (You hear that Skyrock? Best be on your best behavior if McCain wins! :D)
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Caught the last 10 mins on the way home from work. Inspiring. I'm going to give these 2 my vote and see if elected how close they match their deeds to their words.
I'm hoping they do very well.
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He did a great job. Great man.
And I have to tell ya...looking at his wife and his VP pick makes me think impure thoughts. Just had to get that out there.
Personally while i think his wife is hot.
During her speech she acted as though she were stoned. She delivered it. But she seemed kinda spaced out.
she reminded me of a girl I once knew when I was a teenager. Acted the exact same way.
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Nothing like a little Adrenalin :aok
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These speeches, no matter who they are from are crafted, scripted, and practiced. You can only get a certain amount of honesty or reality from them. They are simply convention speeches delivered in front of their own mindset crowd. I call them , from both sides, false positives.
The real meat will come when they aren't just in front of their own giving their own applause, have to answer questions unscripted and with no coaching. IMO these speeches are really only worthy to rev up their own party. Anyone who thinks these speeches will live on after they are elected is a bit naive.
I want them on stage in a face to face debate before I make any real judgment.
Much indeed to be regretted, party disputes are now carried to such a length, and truth is so enveloped in mist and false representation, that it is extremely difficult to know through what channel to seek it. This difficulty to one, who is of no party, and whose sole wish is to pursue with undeviating steps a path which would lead this country to respectability, wealth, and happiness, is exceedingly to be lamented. But such, for wise purposes, it is presumed, is the turbulence of human passions in party disputes, when victory more than truth is the palm contended for.
GEORGE WASHINGTON, letter to Timothy Pickering, Jul. 27, 1795
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It was a great speech. Better than Palin's in my book. It didn't have the flash her's did, but it had much more substance.
I've always liked McCain. He's bipartisan and gets things done.
The biggest mistake this country ever made was when it bought Karl Rove's attack on McCain during the 2000 election.
I would have much prefered he was in charge on 9/11 instead of Bush.
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It was a great speech. Better than Palin's in my book. It didn't have the flash her's did, but it had much more substance.
I've always liked McCain. He's bipartisan and gets things done.
The biggest mistake this country ever made was when it bought Karl Rove's attack on McCain during the 2000 election.
I would have much prefered he was in charge on 9/11 instead of Bush.
Is this the main reason why Karl Rove is not liked?
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Is this the main reason why Karl Rove is not liked?
Karl is about 3 rungs lower than a dog turd in a root cellar.
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Told you guys about 2 Years ago.
Vote Mac '08
Free America
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Mac
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Told you guys about 2 Years ago.
Vote Mac '08
Free America
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Mac
How can we vote for someone who is Persona Non Grata? :devil
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You're right Rpm, McCain's speech did have more substance than Palin's did. I kinda expect that the presidential nominee would have more *meat* in his speech than the VP nominee though.
As far as the substance in his speech, can't say I disliked any of it.
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I thought McCain did pretty good considering he doesn't do well in front of large audiences. I was very impressed on how he shared some of his experiences during Viet Nam. "My Country saved me." almost had my wife in tears. And another point I liked was when he said ".....and I have the scars to prove it." Perfect! That one sentence nailed it for me.
Go Mac!
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I enjoyed both Palin and J-Mac's speeches. I think it's just what many needed to hear. The die hard libs will continue to sick their media attack dogs on both of them, but, I think there will be no backing down from this pair.
Cindy McCain's is a beautiful lady but she almost put me to sleep.
:aok
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he did a really good job delivering a home run speech...
As dred points out.. it is just a speech and... like osamabinbiden promising us all free health care and no taxes and the rich will pay for everything... speeches are just speeches.
The difference is.. no matter what.. the republican candidates looked and came off like real people. that is a huge difference. They looked like someone you might actually have a conversation with.
as for the promises.. the one that Palin made for them was the one I hope that they keep.. she said that as someone who has governed.. she learned the power of the veto.. she said that John Mccain knows of the power of the veto and is not afraid to use it.
I hope to god that is the case. That can change everything.. real change.. no matter who controls the house.
lazs
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I'd like to believe he can get done what he claims he wants to. But with a Democrat controlled congress who wont be happy if they loose another election.
Im not so sure how co operative they will be no matter how left leaning a Rep pres would be.
the dems can work with him or not, there choice. but failure to do so will result in the majority shifting sides again mid-term.
NOT
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He was very good, he looked and sounded like Americas next president to me.
:salute
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I thought McCains speech was pretty good. Comparing it to Palin's though, is apples and oranges. Her speech was meant to introduce herself, not lay out a platform - a totallly different purpose (she can deliver a speech far better than McCain no matter what the content).
The old boy's speech struck me as humble, sincere, and his true love for our country came across loud and clear. it also gave me the feeling that he has real backbone and integrity. I disagree with some of his track record on policy, but I love that guy. he will do as far as I'm concerned.
Its interesting how much hunger there is out there for more of anything "Palin". Progressives are transfixed and scrambling on how they will go about putting Palin in a box. they can hardly talk about anything else. but Palin keeps overflowing the box. Oprah is getting pressure to have Palin on even though that is the LAST thing she wants to do. Some polls are showing Palin'a approval rating higher than McCains and Obamas. This is starting to look like a cultural phenominum to me, something that might really grab women, even liberal women. In spite of Gloria Stenhiem trashing Palin, and proving that the so-called feminist movement is actually a progressive liberal organization and not so much a movement to empower women - Sarah Palin is empowering to women.
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Obamaramma stated after the O'Riely interview that the Republicans have not talked
about the issues. I was worried that McCain wasn't going to touch on this in his speech.
Halfway through, he finally started to talk about the issues at hand...Thank God.
Also I think the Republicans talked too much about McCain and Vietnam. It seemed
that they kept pounding on that point.Two or Three times is enough. I totally
respect the man for what he went through and it does show his character.
Also, The audience was alittle to wild..everytime McCain was ready to deliver
a major point, he was interupted by USA USA USA
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Gunthr, It has been said that the "Palin" phenomenon will cool down in the weeks to come.
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Also, The audience was alittle to wild..everytime McCain was ready to deliver
a major point, he was interupted by USA USA USA
Those USA chants were the crowd attempting to drown out the patheric cries of a protestor that made it in the Excel Engery Center.
They succeeded. :aok
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Ohhh I thought it was just one out burst...so thats why they kept chanting USA.
Thanks
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...Also I think the Republicans talked too much about McCain and Vietnam. It seemed
that they kept pounding on that point.Two or Three times is enough...
I disagree. Its a mistake to assume that younger voters know anything about Vietnam or anything about McCains experience as a POW. McCain gave details about it in his speech that he has never spoke of in public before, and I'm willing to bet that some of it was information you never heard before, Kaw. it is a real contrast to Obama's life experiences... any campaign would advise their candidate to go into it and keep it in front of the voters.
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I understand that, but Fred Thompson told the whole story, Indepth, on the first night,
then it was mentioned by every speaker there after.
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Gunthr, It has been said that the "Palin" phenomenon will cool down in the weeks to come. -Kaw
nevertheless, I give my own impression based on what I see.
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I understand that, but Fred Thompson told the whole story, Indepth, on the first night,
then it was mentioned by every speaker there after.
Yup. To us.. it was a bit tedious. To the vast majority of sunday republicans that caught only that speech, and to the millions more saturday morning democrats that will only catch it in soundbytes.. it was good that he said it. It's the only time I can recall ever hearing McCain himself mention any detail on his imprisonment.
The best part was the back 1/4 of the speech.. the crowd went nuts. Never seen McOldie holler over a crowd before. Damn.. that was rousing!
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1st half I'll give it a C+. Second half I'll give it an AAAA+++++
Oh snap!!! I fell asleep the first half....so the second half was that good?
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I disagree. Its a mistake to assume that younger voters know anything about Vietnam or anything about McCains experience as a POW. McCain gave details about it in his speech that he has never spoke of in public before, and I'm willing to bet that some of it was information you never heard before, Kaw. it is a real contrast to Obama's life experiences... any campaign would advise their candidate to go into it and keep it in front of the voters.
Before I go any further, I wan't to make it clear,I'm not belittling McCain or anyone else's service to their country. I grateful to all service men and woman who have fought for my freedoms.
That said, am I the only person who refuses to believe McCain's Vietnam experiences will automatically make him a better CIC than someone without military experience? Sure it might make him a great CIC, but I need more detail about his command experience and how successful he was. For all we know, he absolutely sucked as a soldier / airman.
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Before I go any further, I wan't to make it clear,I'm not belittling McCain or anyone else's service to their country. I grateful to all service men and woman who have fought for my freedoms.
That said, am I the only person who refuses to believe McCain's Vietnam experiences will automatically make him a better CIC than someone without military experience? Sure it might make him a great CIC, but I need more detail about his command experience and how successful he was. For all we know, he absolutely sucked as a soldier / airman.
After the physical mess the Vietnamese left him, he came back and fought thru some pretty ugly and painful physical therapy to regain his flight status.. after he was told he's never fly again. He did it.. returned to flight status and was eventually given command of an Attack Squadron.. where he excelled.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-mccainsquadron14apr14,1,5335268.story?track=rss (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-mccainsquadron14apr14,1,5335268.story?track=rss)
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After the physical mess the Vietnamese left him, he came back and fought thru some pretty ugly and painful physical therapy to regain his flight status.. after he was told he's never fly again. He did it.. returned to flight status and was eventually given command of an Attack Squadron.. where he excelled.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-mccainsquadron14apr14,1,5335268.story?track=rss (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-mccainsquadron14apr14,1,5335268.story?track=rss)
plus 22 years of service overall that i though the didnt talk about enough!
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I listened to his speech this morning, was completely true.
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Before I go any further, I wan't to make it clear,I'm not belittling McCain or anyone else's service to their country. I grateful to all service men and woman who have fought for my freedoms.
That said, am I the only person who refuses to believe McCain's Vietnam experiences will automatically make him a better CIC than someone without military experience? Sure it might make him a great CIC, but I need more detail about his command experience and how successful he was. For all we know, he absolutely sucked as a soldier / airman. - Wooley
I think the CIC skill stuff is a little irrelevant for the Presidency... I don't see the Pres needing to be hands-on in military workings so much - as long as he supports good generals. But what McCains Vietnam experience shows me, in very stark contrast to Obama and his wife, is McCAIN LOVES THIS COUNTRY and he made a huge sacrifice for the sake of it. McCain is not an effete "world citizen", he is a proven patriot. That is what his Vietnam experience means to me. I'd love to shake his hand and thank him personally.
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I understand that, but Fred Thompson told the whole story, Indepth, on the first night,
then it was mentioned by every speaker there after.
Very true ... but to hear it from him, and to hear him describe the "epiphany" that he had, is probably something only a few privileged people have ever heard before. He blew me away with that ... that was the most compelling part of the whole speech IMHO.
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it was very good and needed repeating because of the few that only tuned into that one speach