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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MjTalon on September 05, 2008, 06:29:55 AM
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(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9754/landing064on9qi3.th.jpg) (http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=landing064on9qi3.jpg)
Hope this gets out to some of the Historical Fighter squadrons out there.
Enjoy :salute
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I've been trying to get the guys to do the four ship down the runway and peel off for a while now. Never can quite get everyone to pull it off. Two ships are easier :)
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That's cool... Thanks :aok
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Kind of strange to see lead cross in front of #2 during the chandelle--I'd think an echelon right formation (instead of a finger-four) going into a left-hand break would be more ideal. I'm probably missing something in the 3D aspect of the maneuver. I do like the landing speeds and such around the remainder of the pattern though.
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Luftwaffe did not fly the runway heading, comin in low and fast from any compass heading primarily due to the fact that they lost so many in any kind of 'landing pattern' ..they practiced comin in hot from any direction and gettin the bird on the ground in shortest possible time after a hi-speed pass over the field so the ack gunners could pick off anyone tailin them :)
In AW and AH, I found that crossing mid runway from any direction at the limit of compressibility would allow me to crank in enough 'G' in the pullup and roll out to line the bird up on a runway for approach ..my best was during Battle over Germany scenario's in my 262, out of gas, bein chased by Mustangs, I still got that bird on the ground and stopped before they managed to get rounds into the bird.
Practice does help .. a lot.
-Frank
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I saw a strange thing on that diagram. Something about landing gear down????? :confused: :confused: What is that and what is it used for?
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I believe it shows where they extended their landing gear on the downwind leg of the landing pattern. Or did I miss the sarcasm?
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I believe it shows where they extended their landing gear on the downwind leg of the landing pattern. Or did I miss the sarcasm?
Your correct stoney, the landing gear down indicates the location at which there landing gear had deployed.
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I believe it shows where they extended their landing gear on the downwind leg of the landing pattern. Or did I miss the sarcasm?
Yup sarcasm. :lol
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Nice information. :aok
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Kind of strange to see lead cross in front of #2 during the chandelle--I'd think an echelon right formation (instead of a finger-four) going into a left-hand break would be more ideal. I'm probably missing something in the 3D aspect of the maneuver. I do like the landing speeds and such around the remainder of the pattern though.
He doesn't cross in front, he pitches up and rolls left when clear.
My regards,
Widewing
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Ded,
Landing gear was something invented for pilots with piles (hemoroidal owwies, which they got them from sittin' on their behinds all day at 30k lookin fer picks.) Basically they are stick like things with soft rubber stuff at the ends, that extend below the fuselage and cushion the aforementioned pile-its derriere.
hope this was helpful :D
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What was the purpose of this landing tactic?
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Well, high-speed breaks out of the landing pattern, IIRC, were a tactic began by the British early in the war to make sure that their six was clear before they began to land, i.e. they weren't being followed by German fighters. Its adoption by U.S. forces is either a carry over of that same tactic, but by this point in the war, and especially for U.S. fighters on Iwo, was probably more of a hot-shot way to bring a formation in to land smartly. I'm a fan of a nice tight formation break over the runway. My squad has done a couple of good 4-ships, but mostly we only can manage 2-ship.
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Did you darw that in Arts & Crafts Talen? :D
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It's also a very efficient way to get 4 or more airplanes down in short order.
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It's also a very efficient way to get 4 or more airplanes down in short order.
We in the 80th can put an almost endless number of planes down on the runway in under a minute. sometimes (most of the time) we don't even bother with the runway.
And Ded, don't worry about it landing gear is for sissy's.
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Just remember. P38 drivers do it better :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Pass1.jpg)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Break.jpg)
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What was the purpose of this landing tactic?
In general to quickly get a large number of aircraft on the ground using the least amount of airspace and time.
In particular the low pass at 300IAS was for fun and to impress the Red Cross girls.
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Good documentation, and at least an intelligent thread after the moltitude of silly inquiring of "how many kills first of" thread, dropped by pleasure seekers with the only final intent to declare to the community "my record was a zillion kills before first death .... and yours??" :D
As I said, finally some good posts on historical argument, like we had in past times.
And not to be argumentative ( but I know I'll be :P) how many here are REALLY interested in landings??
I have a feeling that despite some of us that use this simulation to recreate some ambience of WWII (even in cartoon planes...ok :D), a good number don't even care about landings; they seems to be interested in a merry go round furball till they end killed, or they are out of ammo; and when the ammos are out they auger to save time, they go to tower and quickly reup (rigorously with auto-take off on.. :P) asking themself why in hell isn't there a "start at 5k with eng on" option to save time.
How many?? :noid
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:salute Stegor
You said it all. I have been with AH for a year and half and I have seen more of that type of attitude lately.
If you're going to take off, you need to land it. One thing I think takes away from the spirit of the game is when Buff pilots bail after a run just to up again right away.
This is one of the more informative threads I have seen in here in a long time. It's good to see some people care about fundamentals still. :salute
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What was the purpose of this landing tactic?
the hard break also means that you keep plenty of E right up to the very last minute, just in case you have to blow through and carry on fighting. a civilian type pattern where you gradually dump your E on approach makes you a sitting duck from miles out of the field on your approach. :)
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Kind of strange to see lead cross in front of #2 during the chandelle--I'd think an echelon right formation (instead of a finger-four) going into a left-hand break would be more ideal.
its a variation of a tac turn, but the idea is to end up with the ac staggered for landing not back in formation