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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Shifty on September 07, 2008, 12:23:39 PM
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If so please see this post.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,246427.0.html
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Have you tried doing it straight through Aces High, without the Saitek drivers?
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Yes I've tried going in AH first. All calibration Windows and Saitek shows normal. In AH it goes from nuetraul to full left or right no scaling what so ever.
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Shifty,
I read your post under hardware and have one question that hopefully will help. Did you adjust the deadzone in the control panel for the X52? I don't believe that I have the Pro model, but I do have the X52 (birthday gift also). Is the pro version still twisty stick or rudder pedals? If the deadzone is set too broad in either AH2 or in X52 control panel this might be a problem.
Now, past that, I can only imagine their is some conflict somewhere (grabbing for straws). Possibility that you received 2 bad sticks is still out there. It happened to me when upgrading to DVR for my satellite dish.
Much luck to you in solving rudder problems bud, the X52 has given me some hours of fun and way too many button configurations for my small brain to remember.
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I've messed with the dead band both in Vista and AH. It doesn't matter as soon as the deadband is crossed no matter how wide or narrow, you get full rudder input.
This stick is to replace my old X52 Chilli, which i didn't have these problems with. Alo the reason for upgrading to the Pro model was to add rudder peddals in a month or two. ;)
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Did you check the mode? I read in bug report that turning tracers on or off puts the AH2 into auto select mode (whatever that means). If that is a possible problem, I would recommend to copy mode 1 to mode 2. Or just for trial use the set mode 1 button after you launch.
MMMMmmmmmmm ...... pedals ........ druuuuuuul........
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Actually if I de select the Z rotation from rudder. The controler still maxes out at the slightest movement. So it's nnothing to do with being assigned to the rudder. It's the stick input it'self in AH.
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Alo the reason for upgrading to the Pro model was to add rudder peddals in a month or two. ;)
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You got an X52 pro so you could have rudder pedals?
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You got an X52 pro so you could have rudder pedals?
Yes it is my understanding that you need the X52 pro to use the Saitek pro rudder pedals.. Aside from that the X52 stick I have has always been way to losse for my taste the X52 pro is much stiffer. (insert joke here)
I'm just can't bring myself to spend the money for the CH products. At my age I could loose interest at anytime and take up bird watching or something. ;)
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Yes it is my understanding that you need the X52 pro to use the Saitek pro rudder pedals..
As far as I know, the Saitek Pedals just plug into a separate USB port. At least my CH pedals do.
BTW the CH pedals are actually $10 cheaper on Amazon :aok
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I'll look into it if I can't get my current situation resloved. B-day gift from the wife I need to exhaust all options on this stick first. ;)
Thanks Bubi.
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i have a "regular" X52 with rudder pedals. works great, no problems, still can't fly worth a damn but its much more fun. just be careful when resting you feet on the pedals and then wondering why you're flying in a big circle! :)
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As far as I know, the Saitek Pedals just plug into a separate USB port. At least my CH pedals do.
BTW the CH pedals are actually $10 cheaper on Amazon :aok
He is correct, Shifty. I have an X-52 (not pro) and use it with the Saitek Pro pedals. I like them more than the CH because they are wider.
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He is correct, Shifty. I have an X-52 (not pro) and use it with the Saitek Pro pedals. I like them more than the CH because they are wider.
Well a way out of my current dilemma might be to just swap the X52 pro for the pedals...
Thanks VM.
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I really can't tell you what is wrong. I traded (2) saitek x-52's back to Best Buy because of the same problem. I am on my third set. (I have 2 sets 1 is for the kids and their flight games) This third set started doing the same thing.
With my uh..... less-than-patient personality, i finally threw it down the stairs.
It has worked like a charm since, but then I got the pedals for Christmas. :noid
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With my uh..... less-than-patient personality, i finally threw it down the stairs.
It has worked like a charm since, but then I got the pedals for Christmas. :noid
Hmm too bad my house is a single story ranch style. :(
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IMO, the best thing I ever did was to "lock down" the wire between throttle & joystick. I don't know how to explain this better than
" using a wire "staple" so there is no pressure on where the connectors are. IE, I can pull on the cable, but it will not come out of the socket on either side, and no pressure will be put on the controller.
This seems to be a weak link in the design.
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I use Velcro to keep the stick and throttle in place on my desk. I haven't had any problems with the wire.
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My lights used to flash, stick went nuts, etc.
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My lights used to flash, stick went nuts, etc.
Calm down there Von, he didn't ask about your marital problems. :D Bumped your post to "premature ejection" thread. :rofl
Back to you Shifty. I believe that you have been blessed with a wonderful and thoughtful wife to have chosen a gift that you would enjoy. Having said that, I have a question for the "both" of you. Wouldn't it be nice if her gift turned out to be a two fer? ( < meaning: by buying you such a wonderful gift, you discovered that you are able to connect rudder pedals to the old X52 and the new gift could be exchanged for something you had intended to add on later in the form of flight pedals).
But before you give up on the X52 Pro, here is just a thought. Maybe the X52 Pro is trying to use the old installation for the X52. I don't know much about registry problems, but have had some run ins with updates to software before. Possibly a conflict somewhere (I do not recommend editing registry ever) So, maybe you needed to properly uninstall the old X52, before installing the X52 Pro. That is the way that I would go as a last resort.
About to Google the installation now to see if anyone has seen this before and I will post again.
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I believe that you have been blessed with a wonderful and thoughtful wife to have chosen a gift that you would enjoy. Having said that, I have a question for the "both" of you. Wouldn't it be nice if her gift turned out to be a two fer? ( < meaning: by buying you such a wonderful gift, you discovered that you are able to connect rudder pedals to the old X52 and the new gift could be exchanged for something you had intended to add on later in the form of flight pedals).
I agree 100% Judy has always been very supportive of my on-line flying. That's why I'd prefer to get the stick she purchased me working. Since she was kind enough to get me a gift that would enhance my hobby. Not to mention I could also give the X52 to my son Thomas and hopefully get him flying with us. So I'd like to get the stick problem resolved if at all possible.
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im not sure if this is right or not, someone correct me if im wrong. shifty, get on the calibration page, find the rudder input and adjust it so that it slows down. theres a way to make it move incrementally and the speed it does it. just back off on those. im not in front of my home computer so i cant really give you a better description but i fly a x52 and its pretty much the same as the pro. the other thing, dont use saiteks drivers. just let windows pick it up. mabye one of these to things will help you out.
i have a saitek X45 that i could never get to work right. i went to the X52 and just connected it. it worked great. this is my scenario. i dont know if it will work for you. just my 2 cents-- :)
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I could also give the X52 to my son Thomas and hopefully get him flying with us. So I'd like to get the stick problem resolved if at all possible.
Heeh, sounds like Thomas might be a better "stick" than you :D
Before doing anything below, try this in order to see if you see any difference in between:
Try the stick on another system if available preferably one that the other stick had not been installed, but in any case worth a try to see if there might be a conflict on your system with another USB device.
In the Advanced Controller Mapping screen, look at the top and see of the slider screen and see if it says "........ Mode 1". Move the rudder and see if it is full on and full off by watching the meter or numeric value on the right. If they are full on and full off then try to calibrate the stick (yes, once again) this time take time to move the stick in circles (x,y), twisting back and forth (z rotation), throttle (up and down), and every other slider and dial (including those on the throttle, returning them to center when done) on the entire stick before clicking okay. Now, check the Mapping screen again and see if it shows properly.
Plan B:
Okay, this is all I've got. Are there remnants in Vista from your old X52 installation? Did you do and uninstall from X52 installation before installing the X52 Pro? Check to see if Vista or Siatek customer service have recommendations on uninstalling old programs. Then if you are pretty sure that the old drivers have been uninstalled, do a fresh install of the Pro. Note* your machine may still recognize the Pro as the old model (my guess) Read the Readme or installation guide to see when the stick should be plugged in: prior to driver installation or after / this may be an important step.
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Heeh, sounds like Thomas might be a better "stick" than you :D
Before doing anything below, try this in order to see if you see any difference in between:
Try the stick on another system if available preferably one that the other stick had not been installed, but in any case worth a try to see if there might be a conflict on your system with another USB device.
In the Advanced Controller Mapping screen, look at the top and see of the slider screen and see if it says "........ Mode 1". Move the rudder and see if it is full on and full off by watching the meter or numeric value on the right. If they are full on and full off then try to calibrate the stick (yes, once again) this time take time to move the stick in circles (x,y), twisting back and forth (z rotation), throttle (up and down), and every other slider and dial (including those on the throttle, returning them to center when done) on the entire stick before clicking okay. Now, check the Mapping screen again and see if it shows properly.
Plan B:
Okay, this is all I've got. Are there remnants in Vista from your old X52 installation? Did you do and uninstall from X52 installation before installing the X52 Pro? Check to see if Vista or Siatek customer service have recommendations on uninstalling old programs. Then if you are pretty sure that the old drivers have been uninstalled, do a fresh install of the Pro. Note* your machine may still recognize the Pro as the old model (my guess) Read the Readme or installation guide to see when the stick should be plugged in: prior to driver installation or after / this may be an important step.
Did all but Plan B yesterday. Plan B is for tonight, unless I decide to do something stupid like... Get some sleep. :D
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I believe that you have been blessed with a wonderful and thoughtful wife to have chosen a gift that you would enjoy. Having said that, I have a question for the "both" of you. Wouldn't it be nice if her gift turned out to be a two fer? ( < meaning: by buying you such a wonderful gift, you discovered that you are able to connect rudder pedals to the old X52 and the new gift could be exchanged for something you had intended to add on later in the form of flight pedals).
I agree 100% Judy has always been very supportive of my on-line flying. That's why I'd prefer to get the stick she purchased me working. Since she was kind enough to get me a gift that would enhance my hobby. Not to mention I could also give the X52 to my son Thomas and hopefully get him flying with us. So I'd like to get the stick problem resolved if at all possible.
Hmmmmm, or maybe your wife did something to it to torture you? Muahahahahaha :devil :devil :devil
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If so please see this post.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,246427.0.html
I had to completely uninstall the SST software.
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dedalos, I totally agree! :aok
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Calm down there Von, he didn't ask about your marital problems. :D Bumped your post to "premature ejection" thread. :rofl
I told your wife to keep quiet. She only got shortchanged cause you were coming home early. I'll make it up to her later.
(I do not recommend editing registry ever)
About the same advice I would expect. You are probably of the same school of thought as the "Why jump out of a perfectly good airplane?" softies.
I never listened to them, either. :devil Live a little....... (http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/82nd_Airborne_Division-2.gif)
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Not to mention I could also give the X52 to my son Thomas and hopefully get him flying with us.
Why? So he can kick your arse, too? :D You know that's what your children wind up doing. That's why I haven't gotten Giovanni involved in AH2, yet. :devil
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Why? So he can kick your arse, too?
Yeah well... Why should JG-11 and teh tardwhackers have all the fun?
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I told your wife to keep quiet. She only got shortchanged cause you were coming home early. I'll make it up to her later.
About the same advice I would expect. You are probably of the same school of thought as the "Why jump out of a perfectly good airplane?" softies.
I never listened to them, either. :devil Live a little.......
Vicious hairy beast!
:rofl Ouch! Eh BOAN :salute
Edit: (resisting urge to comment on "shortchanged")
Any luck Shifty? Different machine? Different of same results?
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No luck even removed some files from the registry which I was advised to do.
still no Rudder scaling at all.
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So you get normal movement in the Windows Control Panel calibration, just not in AH? Have you tried placing the scaling sliders for the rudder input in AH all at say 10% across the board (10-100), remove damping and deadband and see if it has an effect. Don't place any sliders all the way up to 100%, keep at 10%
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Bug,
Yes I have done that as well. If I use windows calibration, or Saitek calibration the stick's movement is normal on the display.
In AH II no matter how I adjust the scaling, deadband, or even the dampning the only effect I get on rudder input is center/ full left /or full right, no scaling at all.
I deleted all the Saitek drivers and software from my PC and from my AH files several times and reloaded them. It must be some kind of Vista thing.
This is the second X52 Pro that Judy had sent here with the same problem. On the positive side my rudder pedals are OTW so this won't be an issue much longer. Unless my rudder pedals do the same thing... :confused:
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Have you tried the "old" saitek drivers?
The one I am referring to has the 3-D graphicical representation of the stick and throttle.
I had to go back to them cause the new drivers sucked (as far as I am concerned)
Unfortunately, I do not think you can get them from the Saitek site.
I will look for them here, at work, if I still have them. If not, I definitely have them at home.
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I may have the old drivers somewhere I still have a disk from y old X-45
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Have you tried not installing any of the Saitek drivers and software? I run my CH stuff without anything other than the default Windows driver and use AH only to program it.
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Yes, everytime I've removed the drivers I've tried the stick. :aok
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How high did you go with the dampening?
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I have taken the dampening from full min to full max stoping and everywhere in between. As soon as the stick registers any rudder input it goes max to whatever direction you twisted it. Dampening and scaling have no effect. Everything else on the stick works as advertised, it's just the Z axis rotation.
One more thing is I assigned another axis to yaw. Then it works perfectly in that axis. Of course you don't want to fly pushing the stick forwards and backwards for Yaw input. :D
I'm really flat out of ideas.
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From that info, I would say you have a bad pot for the Z axis.
At least my non-pro has a pot for the Z axis.
The rest are hall-sensors.
Pray for speedy delivery on the pedals so you can get the "you will suck like a noob again" learning curve out of the way, A.S.A.P.
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From that info, I would say you have a bad pot for the Z axis.
At least my non-pro has a pot for the Z axis.
The rest are hall-sensors.
Pray for speedy delivery on the pedals so you can get the "you will suck like a noob again" learning curve out of the way, A.S.A.P.
I never run out of reasons to suck like a noob. :aok
I figure while I'm learning my rudder pedals I'm going to break dwon and get used to my trakIR as well. I've had it for a year and turn it off everytime I start fighting. Figure I might as well flop around with both until I get used to them.
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Well if it was a bad pot it would show in the Windows or Saitek displays.
When in Aces High if you alt-tab out and bring up the calibration page from Windows control panel does it seem to function ok then.
Weird problem for sure. But seems others have had it, but no solutions.
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When in Aces High if you alt-tab out and bring up the calibration page from Windows control panel does it seem to function ok then.
That's the kicker, you can tab out look at the Windows calibration and it's perfectly normal, go to AH calibration and it spikes to full left or right no matter how minute you twist it.
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Well if it was a bad pot it would show in the Windows or Saitek displays.
When in Aces High if you alt-tab out and bring up the calibration page from Windows control panel does it seem to function ok then.
Weird problem for sure. But seems others have had it, but no solutions.
Forgot about that.
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When in Aces High if you alt-tab out and bring up the calibration page from Windows control panel does it seem to function ok then.
That's the kicker, you can tab out look at the Windows calibration and it's perfectly normal, go to AH calibration and it spikes to full left or right no matter how minute you twist it.
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Have you tried shutting down all saitek software in the system processes, etc?
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Have you tried shutting down all saitek software in the system processes, etc?
The only thing I haven't tried...
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/147/362264701_475a71ea8d.jpg?v=1169238453)
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How about this guy?
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/1gazoobig.jpg)
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He'll just tell Fred what Wilma and I have been up to.
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:lol
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Shifty
I have an old set of usb ch pro peds that need a new home.
They worked great except the toe brakes don't work - never used them as brakes are setup on a hat on my x52 throttle.
they'd solve your twisty stick issue right? You pay shipping and they are yours.
PM me if you are interested
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Shifty
I have an old set of usb ch pro peds that need a new home.
They worked great except the toe brakes don't work - never used them as brakes are setup on a hat on my x52 throttle.
they'd solve your twisty stick issue right? You pay shipping and they are yours.
PM me if you are interested
Eagler,
Thanks for the offer. My wife went ahead and ordered me the Saitek pro pedals. They came in yesterday. Now if I have the X52 pro, and pedals hooked up buttons on the X52 pro won't work.
I hooked up my old X52 with the pedals and it works great. Thomas said he'd the X52pro stick and throttle , if it works on his rig I think he's about ready to start flying with us.
I really appreciate the offer though. :aok
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Thomas said he'd the X52pro stick and throttle , if it works on his rig I think he's about ready to start flying with us.
Most excellent diggit. Make it so, Mr. Sulu.
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i personally would get a ch stick if they made one that i liked. i love the numerous buttons on the x52. i have almost everything programmed. oh well, ill stick to the x52
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and this one time at band camp.................
Woo hoo, Shifty is gonna be easy meat for a week or so. :D
Glad it is working out.
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Woo hoo, Shifty is gonna be easy meat for a week or so. :D
So far you're right. I flew two 190 sorties Sunday and was kicking butt, then I went back Allied and to P-38s and was all over the place. Between the pedals and forcing myself to get used to the TrackIR I'm taking a beating. Just going to have to ride this one out. :D
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It was like starting all over again when I got mine. :)
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It was like starting all over again when I got mine. :)
same here, except when I started this back in the mid 90s I still had reflexes and eyesight. ;)
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I had to remap mine last night, that was a fun hour... I don't use saiteks software I just map them with the AH II stuff. They seem to work well, and my rudders work just like I wanted them to.. remember when calibrating that you move every axis you have to include rudders...