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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MjTalon on September 08, 2008, 09:49:38 PM
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She is just so Sturdy. Today i had a outstanding day, My primary jug version is the D25 since it's our official 78th Squad P47. Anyway, I was in the same P47 for about 1hr/half defending A50, A53 i think it was LWB. Anyway i had got a couple gv kills, landed, rearmed went to a53 and nailed some more tanks. Then Midwest Mafia came in with there P51s to pork the base.
They came in high, i guess they didn't see me so i dropped my eggs and did a 180 to engage both of them. They proceeded to the base and dropped, i then proceeded to chase down a P51 ( can't recall the pilot :( ) But he tried to bail and i shot him down at D800 going 450+ :cool:
Now came the second P51 ( Fryman ) and he was very eager to shoot me down to revenge his squaddie. I had a friendly that gave me a check six because i had lost sight of the second pony... BOOM he is D600 out from me tearing my P47 to hell with the .50 cals. He is scoring hits and i hear loud pings on my jug, i rapidly maneuver to cause an overshoot but the P51 is settled in good. He continues to score hits and i see 3 large bullet holes in my right wing, and a large hole in the upper left section of the cockpit. I finally cause him to overshoot but that didn't last too long because he zoomed over me and attempted to regain my six position but a friendly saved my skin by knocking his right wing clean off it's rooks! :O
So i'm still a little amazed that my plane has so many bullet holes and i decide to check the structure damage and to my amazement i didn't sustain any part damage at all and i took over 400-500 bullets at D600-800. Talk about tough bird! So regardless of what people say that the jug isn't tough, it has its moments to say the least, and this was one of them. :aok
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Shame I wasn't on to saddle up as your wingman sir <S>
Glad to hear you had a successful day.
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P-47 PWNS! :aok :aok :aok
-BigBOBCH
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Shame I wasn't on to saddle up as your wingman sir <S>
Glad to hear you had a successful day.
It's alright sir, hey triggy we have new information on the website that i think you'll want to check it out ASAP.
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You have to love the 47 it is really a bird for all seasons, in the proper hand & flown as designed. The most effective shot against a 47 is a cockpit or wing root shot. :noid :salute
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Man, the P-47D25 is a good bird IMO, it turns as good as the D11, climbs faster, and is faster. Heavier too, so it'll dive away quicker.
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was using the p47d11 for the fun of it yesterday to perk farm some, and 3 or 4 hits from an f4f took meh wing off :cry
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Talon you should fly with the 40th some time, we love those jugs too :D
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Man, the P-47D25 is a good bird IMO, it turns as good as the D11, climbs faster, and is faster. Heavier too, so it'll dive away quicker.
Wrong and wrong.
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Wrong and wrong.
Really? I'm almost certain the P-47D25 climbs better than the D-11 because the D-11 doens't have the certain prop or something along those lines in this game. I'll go look up really quick.
Edit: Here's the quote.
The best example of how the D-11 does not have the paddle blade prop is in comparison to the D25 which does. Notice that the D-25 climbs much better than the D-11, even though it is heavier.
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D40 climbs better then both. D40 best of the P47 birds for MA play.
NJug climbs lousy below 20K and is designed for 27K to 30K escort in the PAC.
NJug holds more fuel then the other Jugs. 75% fuel in an N Jug is 45mins to 55 mins of fuel.
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Just goin by memory of the Cimb Rate Chart and Speed Chart in the game.
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Yea, always fun when the Jug soaks up the kind of damage it was legendary for. :D
It won't do it consistently though. The other night I took a snap shot from a single spit hizooka round and I lost the entire empenage behind the cotpit which (seems to me) complete crap. Jugs also leak and catch fire far too often for a plane with self-sealing tanks. Sort of like the P-40 losing flaps if a .303 passes within a foot of the aircraft and the 38 taking pilot wounds from bullets that bounce off the wing tips.
She's fat, ugly, and sluggish, but she's also stout, beautiful, and nimble.
The P47 and exercise in duality if you fly it to the extremes. The more you fly it, the more you'll like it.
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Fryman is a x sqd. mate and a great stick your lucky ..... :salute
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Not lucky, armor saved my skin :aok.
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D-11 a smidge faster on the deck than the D-25, but D-25 climbs better.
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400-500 hits...?
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She's fat, ugly, and sluggish, but she's also stout, beautiful, and nimble. The P47 and exercise in duality if you fly it to the extremes. The more you fly it, the more you'll like it.
(with apologies to Lucky Jack)
The P-47 is not fat; no one would call her ugly. She has a bluff bow, lovely lines. She's a fine warbird: weatherly, stiff and fast... very fast, if she's well handled. No, she's not sluggish; at altitude she's in her prime.
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Blasphemer !!!
(or identity crisis?) :lol
You talk about the jug, yet you sport a black 14 in your signature?
What will your 109 say when you climb into the cockpit smelling like a jug?
:rofl
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D40 climbs better then both. D40 best of the P47 birds for MA play.
NJug climbs lousy below 20K and is designed for 27K to 30K escort in the PAC.
NJug holds more fuel then the other Jugs. 75% fuel in an N Jug is 45mins to 55 mins of fuel.
I've not yet been convinced that this is the case. At the same weights, the P-47N should dominate the D-40 in performance. The biggest difference on the AH charts is because the D-40 power/speed curves are shown at a weight that's approximately 2200 lbs. lighter than the P-47N power curves are shown. To be a true comparison, make both planes weigh the same, put fuel burn on 0.0 and see which one climbs faster on both Military and WEP. I'm thinking they'll be practically the same on Military, with the N getting a couple of hundred FPM better on WEP. The P-47N also has more wing area, and more flapped wing area, so again, at the same weights, it should turn better than the D-40, especially during sustained turns with WEP (lower wing loading).
The key to using the November is to make sure its at fighting weight before you fight. Since most folks only use it as a bomb truck, its air-to-air potential is wasted. I used to watch Wolfala land 12 kills per sortie in the November, and do it in about 30 minutes. He may argue that the D-40 isn't the best MA Jug.
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I agree with regards to the D40/N debate. There are some minor differences between the two, but if you remove wing gas tanks from the equation, they should be pretty close in performance off-WEP. With WEP the N should dominate the D40 (given same weights).
I never up a D40 with less than 100% (and often with a center DT), but I never up a N with 100% -- 50% most of the time, 75% if I want a REALLY long sortie or plan on going up to 25k+.
That tells you there's a significant difference in how folks load them out, and that the "full loadout" charts might not be the best indicators in this situation.
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They're not the same weight.
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I thought Hajo was La-7 guy . :D
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I couldnt help it. When I saw the the title, I laughed. It reminded me of the song 'My lovely horse' from Father Ted :rofl
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They're not the same weight.
The P-47N has a heavier empty weight, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that at the same weight (which can be accomplished in-game as long as the D-40 is carrying at least 75% fuel) the P-47N outperforms the D-40. I don't claim that the P-47N will outclimb a D-40 when both are carrying 100% fuel. Seeing how the P-47N can carry practically 1.5 times the internal fuel of the D-40, there has to be some sort of handicapping for weight involved. I don't fight the N at max gross. To be honest, I rarely fight it at the 16000+ lbs the power curves in-game show. That's my point--that to compare the two curves at face value doesn't present an honest comparison...
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Had to get home to check my book numbers:
P-47D model empty weight: 10,000 lbs
P-47N model empty weight: 10,998 lbs
Not sure how well this is represented in game, but the performance curves are for a 2200 lb weight difference. Since the empty weight difference is just shy of 1,000 lbs, that means the posted curves account for a 1200 lb fuel/payload difference.
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Even at weights balanced for "fairness" as Stoney alludes to, the D40 does indeed slightly edge the N in Mil climb and turn. I believe its even slightly faster on Mil.
However, the D40 does not out-climb, out-turn, out-accelerate, out-roll, OR out-run the Spit16, or a whole host of other nasty beasties any Jug in the LW MA is likely to recieve unwanted attention from. The P-47N can percolate at a level speed on the deck that challenges the P-51D, for 5 minutes at a time anyway. Not only does this allow it to leave in the dust things it might be useful to run away from (Spits, N1Ks, etc), it allows it to stand a much better chance of catching things one might highly desire to chase down (190s, 109s, P-51s, hell, even a Lala if you've got some alt to convert.)
So until they give us a P-47M or a perked "field mod" D that can pull the historically ubiquitious 72" manifold, realistically speaking the P-47N remains the way to go.
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Even at weights balanced for "fairness" as Stoney alludes to, the D40 does indeed slightly edge the N in Mil climb and turn.
Not to be obtuse, but do we have data to back that up? If so, its somewhat counter-intuitive.
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I agree with Stoney, that makes no sense bnz. If both weigh the same, why would the D-40 outperform the N?
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Not to be obtuse, but do we have data to back that up? If so, its somewhat counter-intuitive.
If its nearly 1000lbs lighter weight at equal fuel and ammo loads, it seems intuitive to me.
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I agree with Stoney, that makes no sense bnz. If both weigh the same, why would the D-40 outperform the N?
Because ...
P-47D model empty weight: 10,000 lbs
P-47N model empty weight: 10,998 lbs
... ?
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Even at weights balanced for "fairness" as Stoney alludes to, the D40 does indeed slightly edge the N in Mil climb and turn. I believe its even slightly faster on Mil.
I was referring to this Boiler...
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Oh well depends how you define that bolded part I guess. To me fair is both carrying the same fuel load, not both loaded to the same weight. lol
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Boilerdown, you can make a better effort than that. The only way to make sense of what Stoney is saying is to assume that both models have been adjusted to weigh the same, and it's with this specification that bnz was saying that the D-40 is better.
Oh well depends how you define that bolded part I guess. To me fair is both carrying the same fuel load, not both loaded to the same weight. lol
Same fuel load, i.e. same %, is fair when the N's gas tank is friggn' huge compared to the D-40's?
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LOL whatever, we just need to wait for BnZ to clarify what he meant.