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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: TheMan on September 11, 2008, 09:38:11 PM
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Why doesn't HTC give us more bombers to use the 2,000 perkies we have. Seriously , the a26 , b29 drop the nuke just like they dropped the 22,000lb lanc bomb , ar232 , etc. Many classic bombers that should be in there. Not saying that there top of the line bombers , just cool ones. If there gona throw in the paper weight KI67s , dont see why dont they put in some of the american muscle and other types.
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Another nuke reqest, well......
IN BEFORE THE LOCK!!!!
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Why doesn't HTC give us more bombers to use the 2,000 perkies we have. Seriously , the a26 , b29 drop the nuke just like they dropped the 22,000lb lanc bomb , ar232 , etc. Many classic bombers that should be in there. Not saying that there top of the line bombers , just cool ones. If there gona throw in the paper weight KI67s , dont see why dont they put in some of the american muscle and other types.
I love how you say 'many classic bombers that should be in there', yet you name none.
Bombers that need to be added include the German He-111, Japanese G4M, Russian Pe2 and Tu2, Italian SM.79, etc.... we don't need any late war American super bombers.
"dont see why dont they put in some of the american muscle and other types."
Most bombers in the game are American, as it seems you have failed to notice.
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I love how you say 'many classic bombers that should be in there', yet you name none.
Bombers that need to be added include the German He-111, Japanese G4M, Russian Pe2 and Tu2, Italian SM.79, etc.... we don't need any late war American super bombers.
"dont see why dont they put in some of the american muscle and other types."
Most bombers in the game are American, as it seems you have failed to notice.
Maybe they should start at the B-24, and start perking them from just a lil bit lower than the Ar234. Get some more use out of other bombers.
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Maybe they should start at the B-24, and start perking them from just a lil bit lower than the Ar234. Get some more use out of other bombers.
I would be in favor of that if the B24 wasn't a matchbox drenched in lighter fluid :P
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:D Cant wait to see the DamBusters Lancs rolling bombs into the cvs.
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I love how you say 'many classic bombers that should be in there', yet you name none.
Bombers that need to be added include the German He-111, Japanese G4M, Russian Pe2 and Tu2, Italian SM.79, etc.... we don't need any late war American super bombers.
"dont see why dont they put in some of the american muscle and other types."
Most bombers in the game are American, as it seems you have failed to notice.
Thank you. We don't need more American planes Axis planes need to be added. :salute :salute
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Giving all of the 4-engine bombers a small perk might decrease the number of LancStukas divebombing cv's and v-bases. :rolleyes:
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he111 and all the others you mentioned aren't the best bombers , they would be like useless ju88s with 303 guns for defense. Although , they should be in the game , along with the more late model american bombers , regardless of you dont like the technology of them. It was a fine bomber and therefore should be in the game as a fine bomber with a nice perked value. And the other german italian etc bombers would just become another ju88 , ki67 etc AKA useless buffs that are fun to KAmoKazi. My main point is to add more bombers that are worthy of perking. Dont try to compair the late war bombers to b24s. That is a very poor poor assumption. And when I say need more american bombers , I mean we need more bombers that are perk worthy. You say you want the he111 which is and was a piece of crap. My main point here is to get more perked bombers , and the only bombers that are perk worthy are the late war american buffs.
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I love how you say 'many classic bombers that should be in there', yet you name none.
Bombers that need to be added include the German He-111, Japanese G4M, Russian Pe2 and Tu2, Italian SM.79, etc.... we don't need any late war American super bombers.
"dont see why dont they put in some of the american muscle and other types."
Most bombers in the game are American, as it seems you have failed to notice.
No crap sherlocks you have made a GREAT DISCOVERY! The bombers that are used in the game are early war american bombers yes. There not good enough to be perked tho therefore we only have the 234. Im asking for more american late war muscle. Obviously I know that we have mostly american bombers but that is contrary to the point as you have failed to realize. By the way , whens the last time you even flown a bomb? Yet your going to try to be a critic about a bomber post .. Typical....
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Another nuke reqest, well......
IN BEFORE THE LOCK!!!!
Actually if you could read , you would have realized that I said drop the nuke meaning dont add the nuke. Nuke is a bomb no one wants which is fine. So dont add it and just add the bomber. WE NEED MORE BOMBERS. Not the german or italian crap , mostly the american bombers. German and italian are secondary for when ENY hits.
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Thank you. We don't need more American planes Axis planes need to be added. :salute :salute
axis planes are nice but american is where it be. Axis planes , whether you realize it or not is what I post in a mission when my fellow bishland is dealing with 23 eny rgr me?
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Someday you'll find out there is more to the game than flying teh uber supah plain in the LWMA's.
Until then, I don't expect you to understand why we need more non-American bombers. And believe me, more bombers are at the top of my wishlist.
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Actually if you could read , you would have realized that I said drop the nuke meaning dont add the nuke. Nuke is a bomb no one wants which is fine. So dont add it and just add the bomber. WE NEED MORE BOMBERS. Not the german or italian crap , mostly the american bombers. German and italian are secondary for when ENY hits.
Have you looked into the He-177, the P.108 or the Do-217? Those were all German or Italian and some of the finest medium/Heavy bombers of the war aside from the engine fires on the 177.
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Giving all of the 4-engine bombers a small perk might decrease the number of LancStukas divebombing cv's and v-bases. :rolleyes:
It would be very stupid to perk a plane that doesn't have the specifications to have a superior performance over the others. B24s in my preference are garbage that light up to easily , that being said , they still are useful enough to use. Most planes regardless fighter/bombers have there strong points and weak points. The perked planes have ather a nice combination of everything that gives it air superiority and others do not. That defines the perking system HTC has done will with. If were going to actually talk about perking things , the niks gota get perked along with the spixteen , p51 , and the la7. The planes definately have air superiority. And im sure quiet a few people would agree with me. But HTC needs to run a business and everyone that plays Aces High needs to understand that. Meaning or boiling down to , which ever you prefer , if those planes were to be perked , new players would have to much of a hard time to start learning how to play .. via , shooting , hoing , running , climbing , hording etc. And I can understand that and that is also why I dont bring it up. Those planes are assets to new players.
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It would, but it would get tards to start using B-25s, B-26s, Ju-88s, and when they up the occasional B-24 or B-17, they are smart enough to actually think about what they're doing... :rolleyes:
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I B24s in my preference are garbage that light up to easily , that being said , they still are useful enough to use.
Garbage? The B24 is the best bomber in the game. Bristling with MG's and 8,000 lbs of bombs.... sure, it lights up easily, but everything else most certainly pays off for that. It may not be perkable but it's certainly not garbage.
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Garbage? The B24 is the best bomber in the game. Bristling with MG's and 8,000 lbs of bombs.... sure, it lights up easily, but everything else most certainly pays off for that. It may not be perkable but it's certainly not garbage.
I never said it was :huh
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Errr not you.
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Have you looked into the He-177, the P.108 or the Do-217? Those were all German or Italian and some of the finest medium bombers of the war aside from the engine fires on the 177.
Indeed I have and they are great bombers that I would love to have in the game. But I would much rather have a26s and b29s in the game more than any other bomber just for the historical fact. I have in the past few months taken great interest in the bombers and have done less fighters. In that time I have become infatuated with them , not sure if I spelled that right :D. Point being said , once a person starts flying bombers every run , he starts to realize that there aren't very many bombers in the game. Basically all i fly is the b17 , which is a great bird. Compared to a b29 tho it isn't. But , these add ons to the game would be great for new feelings of the games. Of coarse the eny's would be set also to control the air time if these planes which would cause a round about table of using some of the older bomber models. Also you much take into consideration that if we do get a b29 it will be perked , minus the nuke for all you absolute no goers on that , at an extremely high price. For buffs you have to take into consideration that few pings some times you got fire b00m there goes a good 60 perks down the drain. So this isn't going to really change much in the game , just add to it and still giving it a timid usage so that we will still see some of the older bomber models.
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Okay, fine, under 2 conditions we can have the B-29. When it gets atleast 2 Sectors away, your icon can show up, and in huge flashing letters, it says on the map:
B-29 RIGHT HERE!>>> 29k!!
and 2, we can up 163s when a B-29 gets close to a base.
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Garbage? The B24 is the best bomber in the game. Bristling with MG's and 8,000 lbs of bombs.... sure, it lights up easily, but everything else most certainly pays off for that. It may not be perkable but it's certainly not garbage.
Every sortie I fly in b24s I can count on bailing because I certainly am not coming home. Compaired to some of the more sturdier bombers , it is beatin in many ways. B17 can kill 6 hangars and get you home without lighting on fire by looking at it funny. Anyways <S> ty for your influence on the topic but Its time to get back to the real world. Provided the post doesn't get too too big , I will next time I log on come and respond to everyones post to the best of my abilities and writing abilities <S> all and have a good night
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Indeed I have and they are great bombers that I would love to have in the game. But I would much rather have a26s and b29s in the game more than any other bomber just for the historical fact.
:rofl
Sure they played a part in the war but many more had a much larger impact than those two.
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Thank you. We don't need more American planes Axis planes need to be added. :salute :salute
I agree, so, let me direct your attention to this post... :aok
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,244544.msg2987474.html#msg2987474
:D
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Man, I feel like there have been several very aggressive new additions to the BBS. When I was new to the game, I didn't even bother posting for a while, the people here know far more than I do. Plus, game time gives a huge understanding to why some things should/shouldn't be added. I see people who has been on the BBS since for a couple months who will say something, and if someone says "No, that won't happen here's why," they go ballistic. Calm down, you just lose support by getting mad (Plus you sound immature). These people know what they are talking about, do a search on the "B-29" and the sheer number of threads about it will inform you on why your post is not seen in good light.
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he111 and all the others you mentioned aren't the best bombers , they would be like useless ju88s with 303 guns for defense. Although , they should be in the game , along with the more late model american bombers , regardless of you dont like the technology of them. It was a fine bomber and therefore should be in the game as a fine bomber with a nice perked value. And the other german italian etc bombers would just become another ju88 , ki67 etc AKA useless buffs that are fun to KAmoKazi. My main point is to add more bombers that are worthy of perking. Dont try to compair the late war bombers to b24s. That is a very poor poor assumption. And when I say need more american bombers , I mean we need more bombers that are perk worthy. You say you want the he111 which is and was a piece of crap. My main point here is to get more perked bombers , and the only bombers that are perk worthy are the late war american buffs.
We need the He-111 before anything. It will see widespread use in all the arenas and for scenarios it will be perfect.
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PERK THE BOMB LOADOUTS!!!! Gimme the option to carry 5k more bombs in the lanc and Ill be happy. Then youll see my arse 25k stratiegic bombing and 200 flooded with whines on how I ruined their fun cuz I their feild is leveled :D.
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First off, bombers are under utilized at this point as it is. And will continue to be so as long as any fighter can up with endless numbers of 1k bombs and rockets. While it was possible for fighters to carry 1k bombs, until late in the war they just were not that commonly used "by fighters" If you want to get strategic gameplay back, fighters need to be reined in on endless ord.
Second, a 2 week dweeb trying to lancstuka really isn't all that dangerous.
He hasn't got the skills to compete 1 on 1 with fighters. So he's just out to have some fun.
Secret is to make it more fun NOT to lancstuka.
Third, bombers get zero recognition for doing what they do. They pad their score (who cares) the accumulate more perks they can't spend (ar234 whoopie, not) they get credit for A2A kills instead of objects destroyed. You want to fix the bomber problem, start by making them a necessary part of the game in order to take bases. Then give them some respect "when" and only when its deserved.
Could be as simple as no points granted unless the plane lives x amount of time after bombs are dropped.
For true level bombers dropping when more than 5 degrees off level could and should damage the plane dropping.
If it happens, it should take out the drones as well.
Perking the larger bombers is only going to make this problem worse.
Giving the bomber pilots grief is whats caused this whole mess in the first place.
As you sow, so shall ye reap. Well AH you are reaping a bumper crop of bomber hell.
Enjoy
Giving all of the 4-engine bombers a small perk might decrease the number of LancStukas divebombing cv's and v-bases. :rolleyes:
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Actually if you could read , you would have realized that I said drop the nuke meaning dont add the nuke. Nuke is a bomb no one wants which is fine. So dont add it and just add the bomber. WE NEED MORE BOMBERS. Not the german or italian crap , mostly the american bombers. German and italian are secondary for when ENY hits.
I would like to see incendiaries so we could firebomb the cities.
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:D Cant wait to see the DamBusters Lancs rolling bombs into the cvs.
That would be kind of interesting.
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First off, bombers are under utilized at this point as it is. And will continue to be so as long as any fighter can up with endless numbers of 1k bombs and rockets. While it was possible for fighters to carry 1k bombs, until late in the war they just were not that commonly used "by fighters" If you want to get strategic gameplay back, fighters need to be reined in on endless ord.
Interesting, how about when ords reach 0% 4 engined buffs still able to get ords? Or something like that.
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By the way , whens the last time you even flown a bomb?
<----------- {Slim Pickens voice} Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
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Man, I feel like there have been several very aggressive new additions to the BBS.
I agree. It's too easy to be an anonymous a******. As far as bombers are concerned, perk 'em, or don't perk 'em- I don't care. I've got 15K of perks saved after 4 yrs. of buff sorties. I love bombers, especially American muscle, but I'll fly anything in any arena, and fly it the way it was historically designed for. If I or my mission gets obliterated by the enemy, so be it. Patience & planning is key, but the fun is still there.
BTW, if you must "Lancstuka" anything, use a Ju-88. It actually has the historic capability to do such bombing.
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Every sortie I fly in b24s I can count on bailing because I certainly am not coming home.
What, do you go in at 10k ft? You don't climb high enough.
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Actually if you could read , you would have realized that I said drop the nuke meaning dont add the nuke. Nuke is a bomb no one wants which is fine. So dont add it and just add the bomber. WE NEED MORE BOMBERS. Not the german or italian crap , mostly the american bombers. German and italian are secondary for when ENY hits.
Yet another person in need of the lifeguard......
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First off, bombers are under utilized at this point as it is. And will continue to be so as long as any fighter can up with endless numbers of 1k bombs and rockets. While it was possible for fighters to carry 1k bombs, until late in the war they just were not that commonly used "by fighters" If you want to get strategic gameplay back, fighters need to be reined in on endless ord.
Second, a 2 week dweeb trying to lancstuka really isn't all that dangerous.
He hasn't got the skills to compete 1 on 1 with fighters. So he's just out to have some fun.
Secret is to make it more fun NOT to lancstuka.
Third, bombers get zero recognition for doing what they do. They pad their score (who cares) the accumulate more perks they can't spend (ar234 whoopie, not) they get credit for A2A kills instead of objects destroyed. You want to fix the bomber problem, start by making them a necessary part of the game in order to take bases. Then give them some respect "when" and only when its deserved.
Could be as simple as no points granted unless the plane lives x amount of time after bombs are dropped.
For true level bombers dropping when more than 5 degrees off level could and should damage the plane dropping.
If it happens, it should take out the drones as well.
Perking the larger bombers is only going to make this problem worse.
Giving the bomber pilots grief is whats caused this whole mess in the first place.
As you sow, so shall ye reap. Well AH you are reaping a bumper crop of bomber hell.
Enjoy
Absolutely agree with limiting the ordnance carried by fighters, level bombers receiving damage if not level during drop and making bombers necessary for success. Not sure perking the big-boys would cause problems if the first three were put into place properly. I would also like to see some type of air-start for the heavy bombers (10k or so with the appropriate amount of fuel used) just to eliminate the ridiculous amount of time required to climb to alt. I suspect that is one reason we see them used as tac bombers instead of in their traditional role.
Regards,
Hammer
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By the way , whens the last time you even flown a bomb?
<----------- {Slim Pickens voice} Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
(http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/art/library/bombstrangelove.jpg)
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First off, bombers are under utilized at this point as it is. And will continue to be so as long as any fighter can up with endless numbers of 1k bombs and rockets. While it was possible for fighters to carry 1k bombs, until late in the war they just were not that commonly used "by fighters" If you want to get strategic gameplay back, fighters need to be reined in on endless ord.
Not only that, but fighter sized projectiles have a hugely exaggerated effect on ground structures. Each bullet being worth multiple times of it's own weight in high explosives does render buffing indeed almost worthless. A 3400 round P-47 does almost carry 4000 lbs worth of ordnance just in ammo, or almost 1,6 times the amount it can load as bombs.
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Good un JAGED :rofl
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Not only that, but fighter sized projectiles have a hugely exaggerated effect on ground structures. Each bullet being worth multiple times of it's own weight in high explosives does render buffing indeed almost worthless. A 3400 round P-47 does almost carry 4000 lbs worth of ordnance just in ammo, or almost 1,6 times the amount it can load as bombs.
The destructive power carried by a few selected popular attackers. Bombs, rockets & gun ammo added up:
(http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5689/clipboard01te6.jpg)
Who needs buffs to level ground structures?
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The destructive power carried by a few selected popular attackers. Bombs, rockets & gun ammo added up:
(http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5689/clipboard01te6.jpg)
Who needs buffs to level ground structures?
Time for perked ord options?
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*Chants* HE-111!!! HE-111!!! HE-111!!! :D
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Why doesn't HTC give us more bombers to use the 2,000 perkies we have. Seriously , the a26 , b29 drop the nuke just like they dropped the 22,000lb lanc bomb , ar232 , etc. Many classic bombers that should be in there. Not saying that there top of the line bombers , just cool ones. If there gona throw in the paper weight KI67s , dont see why dont they put in some of the american muscle and other types.
Has it occur ed to you that the Runways in the game are NOT long enuff to get a B29 into the air???
They would also have to redo every airfield on every map to accommodate the B29 ....thats a hell of a alot of work.
Also from most accounts I have read the b29 was a real handful to fly. So if you get it....dont expect easy street!
Lastly why do we need a bomb (nuke) that there where only 2 used in the entire war? ....ah hello?? .....A far more worthy request would for incendiary bombs. These were used in Europe and in the Pacific alot!
Helm ...out
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Ki-67 is quite a nice bomber and quite useful for many roles in AH. I bet you just haven't even tried it or thought about it.
I do think that the 1,000lbers should be removed as options on the fighters though as they were rarely used. It also seems that small caliber gun damage on structures needs to be reduced.
Perk bombers yet to be added:
A-26 Invader
B-29A Superfortress
Mosquito B.Mk XVI
Good bombers for Late War MA that could be added:
Do217E
H8K2 "Emily"
Halifax
He177A-5 Grief
Ju188A-1
P.108
Pe-2
Tu-2
Need bombers for gap filling:
DB-7
G4M2 "Betty"
He111
Pe-2
Wellington B.Mk III
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Time for perked ord options?
(http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1170/43mar18nicebombsks6.jpg)
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Yea I'd pay perks for that. :aok
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YEP :O
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By the way , whens the last time you even flown a bomb? Yet your going to try to be a critic about a bomber post ..
Question is, when is the last time you cracked open a book and read about any of the bombers that were used? I'd guess never *shrug*
ack-ack
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Why dose every1 want a B-29 you would just ram into it because it so huge (http://usuarios.lycos.es/miguelfiz/b29/ki_45_attack.JPG)That how big it is We need axis bombers to be added use the damn B-17 or B-24. Peolpe want the B-29 because the fighters kill them so they need something so much bigger and powerful to use while the axis has a small little JU-88 and still waiting for a bomber. (http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/4309/medium/sm79_schemi.jpg)
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Another great spammer post by TheMan. I realy don't see the need to have the B-29. Its just to give someone an excuse to say, "HA! you cain't catch me in your K4!" Even though I have denied it a couple of times, I would still prefer the HE-111, on top over any bomber. I think that the B-29, would be one of the last planes to be made in the game. It would chage the game completly, from higher, more powerful servers, to the nitty gritty, bigger bomber hangars. Its not the just the plane that we could make and then fly it around like nothing, it would change the complete aspect of the game.
Thats just my .02$
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As usual, the "regulars" and the "coat tail riders" have something cute to say about someone posting an idea or a request. Every time any idea or comment remotely brought to the BBS that has not in some shape or form been discussed in the history of HTC the "copy paste here comments" start to roll.
90% of the nay sayers in this string don't even fly bombers on a regular basis and really have nothing to say about it, only against it because of the fears it would bring.
Let me fill you in on something, there are alot of guys that fly bombers often enough to recognize that there is a need to have more of them since the variety is slim at best, If a B29 would make things interesting in the game, I am for it regardless what they use it for with or without a nuke. There are just too many other screwed up things in this game than to worry about another bomber being used or we wouldn't be in here continually listing them to ignore.
You old timers and wanna be's sure are making an impression alright, one post at a time. Keep up the good work representing HTC and their PR campaign or the lack thereof.....:P :P :P
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*Kitten dies*
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I would be in favor of that if the B24 wasn't a matchbox drenched in lighter fluid :P
I've been noticing that. :D Gotta Light? :t
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Has it occur ed to you that the Runways in the game are NOT long enuff to get a B29 into the air???
They would also have to redo every airfield on every map to accommodate the B29 ....thats a hell of a alot of work.
Also from most accounts I have read the b29 was a real handful to fly. So if you get it....dont expect easy street!
Lastly why do we need a bomb (nuke) that there where only 2 used in the entire war? ....ah hello?? .....A far more worthy request would for incendiary bombs. These were used in Europe and in the Pacific alot!
Helm ...out
I said drop the nuke , dont add it. The lancaster had a 22000 lb bomb and they vetoed that out , same thing
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French made bombers too. Potez anyone?
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French made bombers too. Potez anyone?
Basically what most people are asking for is a bomber that saw extensive service and was built and fielded by the axis for scenario and other events. But a battle of France scenario would be rather interesting also.
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This Italian/Axis bomber is on par with the b17 would make a great addition to the game. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaggio_P.108 http://kits.kitreview.com/p108bserieiireviewgp_1.htm http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2000/12/stuff_eng_ibes_p108.htm
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I said drop the nuke , dont add it. The lancaster had a 22000 lb bomb and they vetoed that out , same thing
Learn how 2 fly the B-17 and B-24.