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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Anaxogoras on September 14, 2008, 01:03:45 AM
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I was otr at P108 tonight when a TBM buzzed the airfield at treetop level. Our base ack opened up and killed me with a couple pings just like that. :cry
So there's my wish. Make it so that your own base ack can't kill you when you're otr.
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Sorry, but that's pretty funny. :lol
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In my second month online with AHII I complained about this and was told very forcefully that it is impossible for your own ack to kill you. I didnt believe it then and I dont believe it now. By the way airfield ack has nothing on CV ack when its a friendly taking the hits!
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Oh, I've seen people taken out in flight by friendly ack on multiple occasions. :uhoh You were told wrong! :lol
It's funny, because that doesn't strike me as so unjust, but when you've merely spawned on the runway it's a different story.
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In my second month online with AHII I complained about this and was told very forcefully that it is impossible for your own ack to kill you. I didnt believe it then and I dont believe it now. By the way airfield ack has nothing on CV ack when its a friendly taking the hits!
Whoever said that is wrong. Although your own auto-ack does not shoot at you. It can hit and damage you.
What they may have been thinking of is that a manned gun cannot damage a friendly.
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this kind of thing happens all the time to me, and ya know what, i dont want it to change. its realistic.
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this kind of thing happens all the time to me, and ya know what, i dont want it to change. its realistic.
Burden of proof.
I wasn't claiming that it is not realistic, but I'd like you to find an example of an airplane shot otr by its own AAA in WW2.
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Burden of proof.
I wasn't claiming that it is not realistic, but I'd like you to find an example of an airplane shot otr by its own AAA in WW2.
Where to start. Almost 5-8 C-47's enroute to Sicily were shot down by our own ack. This is probably the best example. BTW, this is just one of MANY occasions for it.
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Another example is Pearl Harbor. The Enterprise, several miles off shore, scrambled carrier planes to assist in stopping the Japanese suprise attack. Pearl Harbor was at their maximum range, so it was assumed that they would land there. It was over when they arrived, but the gunners thought they were enemy and started shooting at them. Only one out of the four that arrived to Pearl Harbor survived the accident. It was probably the first friendly fire accident of the U.S. in WW2
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Burden of proof.
I wasn't claiming that it is not realistic, but I'd like you to find an example of an airplane shot otr by its own AAA in WW2.
You want an example? there are thousand of example, just check Pearl Harbor attack and read about peaple killed by own country weapons. Ship cannons and MG was firing sea level to flying planes "cross fire" and killed themselves. Allways in PH don't forget all the ppl killed by falling down shells. IRL there was much more Kill shooter than in AH.
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In my second month online with AHII I complained about this and was told very forcefully that it is impossible for your own ack to kill you. I didnt believe it then and I dont believe it now. By the way airfield ack has nothing on CV ack when its a friendly taking the hits!
They may have meant the manned acks. Manned guns of any kind can not harm friendlies. Auto acks certainly can.
I was trying to figure out the balistics on the 40mms on the carrier one time (since I never get to use it) and the most convenient target to do that was a friendly airplane lifting from the carrier (it was not under attack). You should have heard him whine about idiots in field guns shooting him down all the time. I politely explained that there was no way I could harm him from a field gun (never mind the fact I hadn't even come close to hitting him), only to have him insist (again) in more colorful terms that it happens to him all the time. :lol
Guess the point is that there is often confusion out there. If you are hit by your own ack, it is the auto ack, not the manned ack. But auto ack can most certainly kill you.
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Reading comprehension? :huh
I said "killed otr by their own AAA." That means "on the runway" for anyone who's confused. All of the examples you guys gave were friendlies shot in flight by their own AAA.
Secondly, I don't buy that just because it's realistic that it should be in the game. There are plenty of fudges in AH that are intended for fun and playability, e.g. killshooter is the best example.
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Reading comprehension? :huh
I said "killed otr by their own AAA." That means "on the runway" for anyone who's confused. All of the examples you guys gave were friendlies shot in flight by their own AAA.
Secondly, I don't buy that just because it's realistic that it should be in the game. There are plenty of fudges in AH that are intended for fun and playability, e.g. killshooter is the best example.
I knew this would be your retort. I'm not confused. The bottom line is this, regardless if you are "otr" or flying over your base, rolling on the runway when a suicide dweeb is present, Friendly fire can still take you down from Auto Ack. Friendly fire is called that, regardless of the "incident". Friendly Fire happens.
Personally I wish killshooter was off. I'd roll, chop throttle, shoot down the idjit firing over my shoulder, then shoot down the con.
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I knew this would be your retort. I'm not confused.
:rofl
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i've been killed multiple time in offline practice by my own ack
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Reading comprehension? :huh
I said "killed otr by their own AAA." That means "on the runway" for anyone who's confused. All of the examples you guys gave were friendlies shot in flight by their own AAA.
Secondly, I don't buy that just because it's realistic that it should be in the game. There are plenty of fudges in AH that are intended for fun and playability, e.g. killshooter is the best example.
Aircraft on the deck of the Enterprise took damage in several battles from their own guns (from other ships of course).
I also would prefer it didnt kill friendlies.
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Wasn't it that when the ack shot the tower would warn the planes taking off? Or not allow them to take off?
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Realistic.....hmmmmmm.
OK then lets have -
Weather - Rain, fog, etc. No more perfect Summer days.
Time of day - Guess thats night coming back.
Wind - Instead of still days.
Killshooter - Thats not very realistic, turn it off.
Hey, it sounds perfect!!!!
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Realistic.....hmmmmmm.
OK then lets have -
Weather - Rain, fog, etc. No more perfect Summer days.
Time of day - Guess thats night coming back.
Wind - Instead of still days.
Killshooter - Thats not very realistic, turn it off.
Hey, it sounds perfect!!!!
Agreed! Except for killshooter. There are too many immature people that would just TK the whole day.
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Personally I wish killshooter was off. I'd roll, chop throttle, shoot down the idjit firing over my shoulder, then shoot down the con.
:lol
A lot of the time a simple twitch of the elevator is enough to take care of the idjit :aok
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:lol
A lot of the time a simple twitch of the elevator is enough to take care of the idjit :aok
I do that too, but it'd be great to see them think you were out of the fight and shoot them down. :devil
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Yes but how often are you really killed by your own ack? Really, Once every 3 years?
ROFL
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I used to eat it to my own ack about once every two months. It's what I get for flying high CAP over CVs.
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They may have meant the manned acks. Manned guns of any kind can not harm friendlies. Auto acks certainly can.
I was trying to figure out the balistics on the 40mms on the carrier one time (since I never get to use it) and the most convenient target to do that was a friendly airplane lifting from the carrier (it was not under attack). You should have heard him whine about idiots in field guns shooting him down all the time. I politely explained that there was no way I could harm him from a field gun (never mind the fact I hadn't even come close to hitting him), only to have him insist (again) in more colorful terms that it happens to him all the time. :lol
Guess the point is that there is often confusion out there. If you are hit by your own ack, it is the auto ack, not the manned ack. But auto ack can most certainly kill you.
Are we 100% on this :confused:. Was this change incorporated recently :confused:?
I could have sworn I have shot down friendly aircraft :o in a 5" gun who were chasing a inbound con to the CV (this was quite a while back tho). I think the 5" shell still detonates in proximity of friendly aircraft, but I always thought that it would also damage it.
:salute
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Are we 100% on this :confused:. Was this change incorporated recently :confused:?
I could have sworn I have shot down friendly aircraft :o in a 5" gun who were chasing a inbound con to the CV (this was quite a while back tho). I think the 5" shell still detonates in proximity of friendly aircraft, but I always thought that it would also damage it.
:salute
no it don't. I got already targeted from someone by 5" after I took off from a CV...he keept firing to me till 3-4K from Cv and I got no damages. Maybe it's not the same for the auto 8" flak
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5" CV guns with proximity fuses will go off near a friendly. Never had anyone complain that it damaged them, but when I see it happen I still get that instant 'oh crap' feeling.
J
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If that con were chasing an aircraft that flew through the CV ack, even the auto-puffy, those guns were what killed him. Not yours, or any other player-mannable gun.