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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: deth13 on September 14, 2008, 11:16:23 PM
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im looking for a new recruit familiar with 190's. someone who can use a 190 for anything. 13MPG squad.
let me know... <S>
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What, you don't like our B Pony-190 teamwork or somethin? :lol
:rock 13th MPG!
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tehe. i still wanna find someone to wing with. additional to honch, hes not on alot and plus, having two would be B.A :furious hahaha look at the bouncy head!
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tehe. i still wanna find someone to wing with. additional to honch, hes not on alot and plus, having two would be B.A :furious hahaha look at the bouncy head!
Only pilot that flys the crap 190 the way it was flown would be yenny adonai yb etc. All the pickers.
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i fly mine like a spit have about 2000 kills in them. im fine with that. i dislike pickers in 190's.
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Only pilot that flys the crap 190 the way it was flown would be yenny adonai yb etc. All the pickers.
Actually, the 190 was a VERY feared aircraft in WWII, so calling it "the crap 190" isn't really accurate. Flown well in-game, and it's something to fear in AH too.
Anyone want to just answer the OP without flaming please?
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Try DMDORA9...190D is all he flys, and he's a great wingy. Also, he's a Citation pilot when he's not messing around here. As far as un uniformed, he'll prolly strip for you.
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Only pilot that flys the crap 190 the way it was flown would be yenny adonai yb etc. All the pickers.
Care to DA with me in my A8?
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Actually, the 190 was a VERY feared aircraft in WWII, so calling it "the crap 190" isn't really accurate. Flown well in-game, and it's something to fear in AH too.
Anyone want to just answer the OP without flaming please?
Yeah, but this isn't WWII.
Remember, in the real air war, job one was seeing the other guy before he saw you.
When the 190A first came out, it was faster and had more engine power than most anything, had heavy firepower, was one of the first planes with a "bubble-like" canopy, had excellent roll rate and yes, it was really feared. Being faster decreases the probability that the bandit will spot you in between the time you spot him and bounce him and you fire. Heavy firepower means one pass is more likely to be all it takes. Roll rate means one could more easily compensate for a sudden break on the opponent's part, or execute a Split S if bounced that was darn hard to follow. Being faster in level flight and dives meant that in any kind of combat situation, the only shot you'd likely get on him if he knew you were there would be a head-on, and you didn't want to head-on something with that kind of firepower advantage. Its controls were fairly light and easy to handle through a wide range of speeds. Strain your arm trying to get maximum available aileron deflection in any AH plane lately? Didn't think so.
In these situations, its turning ability or lack thereof was usually irrelevant.
Here in AHII, conditions are different. An un-engaged bandit spying its attacker is almost a given, what with icons, (needed though they are, as long as computer screens are unable to render real-world depth of detail.) Many airplanes challenge or exceed the various 190s for speed, acceleration, and firepower. Moreover, what the 190s excelled at and what most everyone was trying to do in WWII as often as possible, namely, make a surprise bounce at high speed, kill without warning, and be gone too quick to follow if the attack failed-is a frowned-upon tactic in Aces High.
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Only pilot that flys the crap 190 the way it was flown would be yenny adonai yb etc. All the pickers.
^_^ why the hate! don't be surprise if us 190 flyer smack ya around otd low and slow.
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i fly mine like a spit have about 2000 kills in them. im fine with that. i dislike pickers in 190's.
That's not the way to fly a 190
You can fly, of course, as you want, but don't come here to let off numbers to impress someone.
In tour 104 late war you have:
FW 190 a5: kills 23 died in 29
FW 190 a8 Kills 338 died in 360
FW 190 d9 kills 21 died in 25
Your balance is largely negative, and it proves you are not flying 190 in the right way :aok
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Actually, I fly with Deth often. I'm sure if he cared about his score, he'd have MUCH less deaths (Plus, his name is more fitting this way!). The problem is... he doesn't care... so he'll do things like strafe carrier fleets (he has fun doing that... no idea why :P), if he sees a better fight elsewhere he will just bail out instead of taking the extra time to land, etc. etc. I've been with him when he tries and he can easily land kills using his fighting style.
There is no "wrong way" to fly an aircraft (unless your drilling the ground), it's a video game, and his $15. Must be doing something right to have as many kills this tour as he does. Deth was not bragging, your post was unwarranted, and score proves nothing. :aok
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JG/11. Stampf, Vonmessa, bubi, bino... just to name a few. :cool:
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That's not the way to fly a 190
You can fly, of course, as you want, but don't come here to let off numbers to impress someone.
In tour 104 late war you have:
FW 190 a5: kills 23 died in 29
FW 190 a8 Kills 338 died in 360
FW 190 d9 kills 21 died in 25
Your balance is largely negative, and it proves you are not flying 190 in the right way :aok
If he is having fun, it obviously proves you are wrong and he is flying the 190 just fine.
:aok
Zing!
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i fly mine like a spit have about 2000 kills in them. im fine with that. i dislike pickers in 190's.
how the hell do you already have 46 hours this month ingame???
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Actually, the 190 was a VERY feared aircraft in WWII, so calling it "the crap 190" isn't really accurate. Flown well in-game, and it's something to fear in AH too.
Anyone want to just answer the OP without flaming please?
i actually got to talk with a couple luftwaffe pilots last year in kissimmee where there's an FW being restored on kissimmee gateway airport. they had said that the fw was outclassing poretty much anything we sent over. they simply had no experieinced or well trained pilots left, and they couldn't shoot down their enemies fast enough.(remember? numbers wins wars, NOT technology).
from all i had read before talking to these two, the 190 was a kickassss plane. i think in the right hands, ingame, it can probably fight very well, without having to be used as a bnz aircraft, although it will be much more difficult than something like a 109 or a spit......
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That's not the way to fly a 190
You can fly, of course, as you want, but don't come here to let off numbers to impress someone.
In tour 104 late war you have:
FW 190 a5: kills 23 died in 29
FW 190 a8 Kills 338 died in 360
FW 190 d9 kills 21 died in 25
Your balance is largely negative, and it proves you are not flying 190 in the right way :aok
don't forget to note his ingame time.
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Actually, I fly with Deth often. I'm sure if he cared about his score, he'd have MUCH less deaths (Plus, his name is more fitting this way!). The problem is... he doesn't care... so he'll do things like strafe carrier fleets (he has fun doing that... no idea why :P), if he sees a better fight elsewhere he will just bail out instead of taking the extra time to land, etc. etc. I've been with him when he tries and he can easily land kills using his fighting style.
There is no "wrong way" to fly an aircraft (unless your drilling the ground), it's a video game, and his $15. Must be doing something right to have as many kills this tour as he does. Deth was not bragging, your post was unwarranted, and score proves nothing. :aok
i almost hate to say this...and somehow know i'll probably regret it, but........
i do believe storch, and tonyjoey are very good in 190's./
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That's not the way to fly a 190
You can fly, of course, as you want, but don't come here to let off numbers to impress someone.
In tour 104 late war you have:
FW 190 a5: kills 23 died in 29
FW 190 a8 Kills 338 died in 360
FW 190 d9 kills 21 died in 25
Your balance is largely negative, and it proves you are not flying 190 in the right way :aok
But that probably proves that he is not picking in them, at least. (runs away and prepares for flak coming my way from everyone in thread)
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If you read CAREFULLY the second line of my post you will understand maybe :D
More, I don't have any prob with death13 nor with score , was only pointing that if you say that you have 2000 kills in a plane seems justified to know the death too.
Don't know what gives you the right to say that a post is unwarranted, unless you are Skuzzy.
Suppose death13 is capable to reply, if he wants, surely he doesn't need a tutor :)
And yes, there is a wrong way to fly a plane, even cartoons planes.
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And yes, there is a wrong way to fly a plane, even cartoons planes.
No you missed my point. If he is having fun there is nothing wrong with how he is flying the CARTOON VIDEO GAME. Caps for emphasis.
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bongaroo I completely agree with you: its my 15 $ and till I'm having fun I will fly like I want; so I'm having fun, but that don't remove that I am flying that plane against its features, so I use that plane in a way it was not planned for, thus in a non correct way.
Everyone is free to fly his way, as everyone can show his opinions ;)
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it can probably fight very well, without having to be used as a bnz aircraft, although it will be much more difficult than something like a 109 or a spit......
You toss that phrase "bnz" around so much that I just have to ask: What the heck is your definition of bnz?
The thing's design parameters were built around performance and booming and zooming. As were many WWII aircraft.
You can use a crescent wrench as a hammer or use a machete to slice cheese, but really, not proper employment of either tool.
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Actually, the 190 was a VERY feared aircraft in WWII, so calling it "the crap 190" isn't really accurate. Flown well in-game, and it's something to fear in AH too.
Anyone want to just answer the OP without flaming please?
:rofl Of course it was. What else did the allies have to worry about? 109s and 190s :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Shouldn't this thread be in the Squadrons (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/board,19.0.html) forum?
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Pulling out someone's score is like the BBs version of the HO. It's a cheap shot.
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Pulling out someone's score is like the BBs version of the HO. It's a cheap shot.
No it isn't if you use it for a civil argumentation; I've not Hoed anyone, score is public, and the use made is not intended to blame anyone, but only to see the other part of numbers declared.
If I came here declaring numbers, the least that I can expect is that someone replays with other public numbers.
Don't do cheap moralism please
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Most of us see and know score for what it is: pretty much useless.
Hit % is about the only number I'll reference.
Posting up someones score to tell them they aren't flying the way you think they should be is kinda dweeby.
:aok
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Only pilot that flys the crap 190 the way it was flown would be yenny adonai yb etc. All the pickers.
Yeah and what do you fly all day...ponys? Spit16s? la7s?
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I don't know how, but storch out-turned me in a 190a8 one time in the AvA, with me in a P-47. I'm not a great P-47 pilot by any means (or even good), but I was still like, "whhhaaatttttt??!!1!?" when I saw him do that.
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No it isn't if you use it for a civil argumentation; I've not Hoed anyone, score is public, and the use made is not intended to blame anyone, but only to see the other part of numbers declared.
If I came here declaring numbers, the least that I can expect is that someone replays with other public numbers.
Don't do cheap moralism please
That being the case why should we listen to someone who's never even achieved 1 K/S as being an authority on what the "right" way to fly is?
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I don't know how, but storch out-turned me in a 190a8 one time in the AvA, with me in a P-47. I'm not a great P-47 pilot by any means (or even good), but I was still like, "whhhaaatttttt??!!1!?" when I saw him do that.
thats what i mean...piss poor ingame personality, but very very talented.
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Bald you are free to listen or not listen as I am free to express my opinion.
Tell me where I have said to be an "authority", never said that.
K/S has nothing to do (or you think otherwise?) with the possibility to come here and axpress an opinion.
(btw that was a "cheap shot" in your policy, wasn't it ? :D)
If any pubblication and expert opinion says that FW was/is an e-fighter I express my opinion that if someone fly it as a T&B , its not used at his best; stop. Don't ascribe me other things I've not said please.
Given that this is becoming a sterile discussion better stop here, my intent here is to have some moment of good flying, relax, and exchange of opinion; was not my intention to pique anyone.
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That being the case why should we listen to someone who's never even achieved 1 K/S as being an authority on what the "right" way to fly is?
Zing!
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i do believe storch very good in 190's./
Unfortunately, you're mistaken. I don't think there is a plane in this game that storchita can fly in with any proficiency. Just hop in the MW and listen to him whine when he's not muted or take him to the DA and see for yourself.
ack-ack
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Only pilot that flys the crap 190 the way it was flown would be yenny adonai yb etc. All the pickers.
Its always funny when an idiot doesnt know how to fly a certain plane its because "the plane is crappy". Ill fight you any plane vs my d9 anyday.
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The spits and tnbner easy mode flyers always seems to badmouth the 190s. They should get out of easy mode planes and try something harder.
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I don't badmouth 190s, just pilots who run away when they loose all their advantages.
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If you read CAREFULLY the second line of my post you will understand maybe :D
More, I don't have any prob with death13 nor with score , was only pointing that if you say that you have 2000 kills in a plane seems justified to know the death too.
Don't know what gives you the right to say that a post is unwarranted, unless you are Skuzzy.
Suppose death13 is capable to reply, if he wants, surely he doesn't need a tutor :)
And yes, there is a wrong way to fly a plane, even cartoons planes.
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Okay, here is your first line:
You can fly, of course, as you want, but don't come here to let off numbers to impress someone.
Now here is your last line:
Your balance is largely negative, and it proves you are not flying 190 in the right way
I understood your first line just fine, it's the last line that's the issue.
K/D ratio is useless. Pickers will always have high K/D ratios, while people that get down and dirty will have low ones inherently.
Unwarranted: "Having no justification; groundless"
Pretty sure that's exactly what I meant. Skuzzy doesn't ban people for posting without justification (unless they are trash talking someone/something), that's not against the forum rules.
I'm sure he is, and he may or may not reply when he sees the board. Your remarks aren't really winning you any points here. As his squad mate I'm going to defend him however I please.
And no, you cannot fly a cartoon airplane wrong.
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The spits and tnbner easy mode flyers always seems to badmouth the 190s. They should get out of easy mode planes and try something harder.
BnZing in a 190 is no less easy mode than TnB in a Spit V... You don't honestly think that just because you're in [insert any plane here] you're doing something difficult, right?
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Vudak, you CAN'T be implying that flying a spitV takes an equal amount of skill as flying a 190, or perhaps a p51, effectively? SURELY you're not saying there's no difference amongst the 80+ planes in this game?
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I don't badmouth 190s, just pilots who run away when they loose all their advantages.
If they're able to run away, they've not lost all their advantages.
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Last night i came across death13 in his 190,out of all the sticks i see on this thread he is the only 190 stick i have seen TnB'ing not just booming and running.Salute death13,nice fight.
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SectorNine50 wrote:
And no, you cannot fly a cartoon airplane wrong.[/
in this same thread SectorNine50 wrote
Actually, the 190 was a VERY feared aircraft in WWII, so calling it "the crap 190" isn't really accurate. Flown well in-game, and it's something to fear in AH too.
So you say there is a way to fly a cartoon plane well??
If you accept that there is a "fly well" mode you implicate that there is a way to fly "in the right way" or not??
And if you don't "fly well" what is the contrary noun ??
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If they're able to run away, they've not lost all their advantages.
:rofl
oh man that was a good one. Fleeing to survive in a cartoon plane game isn't what I'd call an advantage.
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SectorNine50 wrote:
And no, you cannot fly a cartoon airplane wrong.[/
in this same thread SectorNine50 wrote
So you say there is a way to fly a cartoon plane well??
If you accept that there is a "fly well" mode you implicate that there is a way to fly "in the right way" or not??
And if you don't "fly well" what is the contrary noun ??
Flown well in terms of a good stick, I didn't say flown the "correct way." A good pilot can do some pretty cool things that are seemingly impossible. For example, while everyone thinks that the 190 is a BnZ aircraft, when a good pilot can TnB a 190 as well as he can BnZ it. There is no wrong way to fly it, just how well you do so.
Pilot skill and Pilot fighting style are two very, very different things.
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Vudak, you CAN'T be implying that flying a spitV takes an equal amount of skill as flying a 190, or perhaps a p51, effectively? SURELY you're not saying there's no difference amongst the 80+ planes in this game?
To be successful in any plane requires skill, regardless if it's a Spitfire or a Tempest. Just like being proficient in math requires one to know that 4+2 equals 10.
ack-ack
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Just like being proficient in math requires one to know that 4+2 equals 10.
ack-ack
Since I hate coffee, i lost some milk on that one. :rofl
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To be successful in any plane requires skill, regardless if it's a Spitfire or a Tempest. Just like being proficient in math requires one to know that 4+2 equals 10.
ack-ack
You mean just like using a humorous quote out of context repeatedly as if there's deeper context?
What is skill? Are we talking "able to take off without veering off the runway?" -- in that case the pilot has sufficient skill to rack up 6-kill sorties in a spitfire. The same pilot in a 190 may not get 1 kill before being shot down.
So yes, it does take skill to be successful in any plane in this game, but each plane has its own skill requirement before a pilot becomes effective/lethal/"good" in that ride.
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ty sunka<S> good fight, and no CAP, idc what you say or what you think i say. honestly, if you read my post not even being a 190 flyer, not even interested in the subject matter, you are low. point being, i was looking for 190 pilots or pilot suggestions that are fun/good to wing with or are looking for a squad. not to hear you complain about what i say, didnt they teach you in kindergarten if you have nothing nice to say, to just shut it?
TY all those who threw out names and contributed useful information. <S>
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Okay, here is your first line:
Pickers will always have high K/D ratios, while people that get down and dirty will have low ones inherently.
Everybody picks... everybody.
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First, no one has ever "out-turned" anything in a 190, except a 262 or another 190. They've used a better angle when someone else chose a poorer one, controlled their throttle when the other did not, etc.
Second, Krusty, I'm sorry, but I would be uncomfortable saying the 190 takes more skill to fly than the Spit or vis versa...depending on what your situation is, either can be the better/worse plane. Sure, the Spit is easier to fly in a 1v1 duel, but as you may have noticed, those rarely happen. For instance, yesterday in a 190 I drug a somewhat inexpert Ki-84 for nearly sector to get him away from any possible help, did some E fighting mumbo-jumbo, managed to land some hits, separated from him again when I noticed my forward tank was 3/4s empty!, he apparently went down from fuel loss/damage while I was RTB. Anyway, my point here is that if I had been in a Spit16, even though it would theoretically been a far easier fight, I would not have had the strategic option of dragging the Ki-84 away from all the other cons and would most likely have ended up ganged and in flames.
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ty sunka<S> good fight, and no CAP, idc what you say or what you think i say. honestly, if you read my post not even being a 190 flyer, not even interested in the subject matter, you are low. point being, i was looking for 190 pilots or pilot suggestions that are fun/good to wing with or are looking for a squad. not to hear you complain about what i say, didnt they teach you in kindergarten if you have nothing nice to say, to just shut it?
TY all those who threw out names and contributed useful information. <S>
apparently YOU didn't read my post very well ya smackhead. i simply told ya that i thought storch was a good 190 stick.
i did also ask how you have so much time in already this month too, but that was a QUESTION, and NOT derogotory.
maybe YOU should spend more time studying your schoolwork. then you'd realize that.
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Vudak, you CAN'T be implying that flying a spitV takes an equal amount of skill as flying a 190, or perhaps a p51, effectively? SURELY you're not saying there's no difference amongst the 80+ planes in this game?
Bal bla bla bla bla, It really takes a lot of skill to pick and run :rofl
Tell you what, I am an easy mode pilot with just enough skills to take off the runway by using auto take off. I fly 190s once maybe twice a year? (I am sure you will check my stats, lol). I have never had any problem spanking a 190 ace in the DA using 190s. What does that tell you? If you want to try let me know. Check my stats, I am a LALA dweeb so have nothing to worry about. Lets see how effective you are when you cant just make a pass or two on someone that is busy fighting someone else
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Last night i came across death13 in his 190,out of all the sticks i see on this thread he is the only 190 stick i have seen TnB'ing not just booming and running.Salute death13,nice fight.
Then you haven't run into me when I'm in my A8 yet.
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Nope never been shot down bye you nor have a blew you up yet...Your not the two guys in here that i was talking about though. :salute
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Vudak, you CAN'T be implying that flying a spitV takes an equal amount of skill as flying a 190, or perhaps a p51, effectively? SURELY you're not saying there's no difference amongst the 80+ planes in this game?
What I'm implying, is (essentially), that using a plane how "you're supposed to" is easier than using it in a way you are not. I'd have a much easier time getting kills TnB'in in a SpitV than trying to BnZ in the darn thing :), vice-versa with 190s.
I just don't get the guys who complain about "Easy mode planes" and then go out of their way to ensure that they take the absolute easiest path in their own "more difficult" plane of choice. It doesn't add up.
Generally, doing "what you're supposed to" makes life easier. I would disagree that it makes it more interesting, however.
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Everybody picks... everybody.
Yup, this is true, but some do it much more than others. I personally get bored of picking rather quickly, I'd rather be getting dirty down on the deck! :)
There are people that pick a lot, and there are people that turnfight a lot. Not saying one is better or worse, it's just a fact! :aok
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Yup, this is true, but some do it much more than others. I personally get bored of picking rather quickly, I'd rather be getting dirty down on the deck! :)
There are people that pick a lot, and there are people that turnfight a lot. Not saying one is better or worse, it's just a fact! :aok
i think i've mentioned this before. one of the most fun things to do, is up from a base a sector out from the fight where the cherrypickers are. get juuuust close enough to observe them. watch their patterns for a moment or so. when you think you have em figured out, head in just before they dive in. if you time it right, you'll be there to pick them off as they're topping out with absolutle no e left to avoid ya with.
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i think i've mentioned this before. one of the most fun things to do, is up from a base a sector out from the fight where the cherrypickers are. get juuuust close enough to observe them. watch their patterns for a moment or so. when you think you have em figured out, head in just before they dive in. if you time it right, you'll be there to pick them off as they're topping out with absolutle no e left to avoid ya with.
Yeah, this truly is a bast to do. My favorite is when they don't realize you were there and you watch them make that "surprised" sudden maneuver... :P
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Yeah, this truly is a bast to do. My favorite is when they don't realize you were there and you watch them make that "surprised" sudden maneuver... :P
yep. i can imagine the cursing going on on their end too :rofl :aok
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Yup, this is true, but some do it much more than others. I personally get bored of picking rather quickly, I'd rather be getting dirty down on the deck! :)
There are people that pick a lot, and there are people that turnfight a lot. Not saying one is better or worse, it's just a fact! :aok
I would just like to make the point quick that a cherry pick and a pick are two different things.A pick is when your buddy has someone on their six saddled up on em and you come in and pick them off,a cherry pick is when you are on the perch and you dive on someone.
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im looking for a new recruit familiar with 190's. someone who can use a 190 for anything. 13MPG squad.
let me know... <S>
Deth13!!!
Go find Yenny, he'll teach you the art of HO'ing, cherry picking, Ganging, BnZ'ing AND Vulching :)
And I heard, he only charges a minimal fee of 100 vulches to improve his score :rock :uhoh :devil :O :lol