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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: NEARY on September 15, 2008, 10:22:34 PM
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p-39d
bostonIII
spit 1
can anyone think of anything else?
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I dont know, how much time do you have? :noid
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I fly the P-39D and the Boston...
Indeed, the Boston is a hoot, being a terrific stall fighter. One of my favorite dueling machines.
My regards,
Widewing
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You're an idiot when you say P-39D, that thing would own you any day. You think it stinks because it doesnt have uber wep. But the 39D has a firm foot hold in AHII, and in the right hands, can easily hold it's own in the MA. :confused:
Same as Boston III, just because it's ENY isn't 5, doesn't mean it stinks.
I suppose you're going to add the Yak 9T/U, Spit 9, Spit 5, 109G2/6, 109F, F4U-1??
You, nor I have been playing long enough to accurately judge any plane.
Widewing is probably the best 39 stick I've ever seen. The man can easily rack up 7 or 8 kills in a sortie and land it in LW.
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i forget which p-39 it is. but i never see bostons in mid war,late war and almost never in early war
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They're honestly good planes. I dont think you know that. Unless you're in a spitty or a Huricane, you should watch yourself when fighting a P-39. Every now and then, I'll get careless and underestimate it, and I always end up dead.
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I flew the N1K for a bit, good fighter but really had no better luck getting/landing kills in it than my standard 15/20ENY rides. (47,F6F,38,F4U) It seems to me that lower ENY rides have more to offer up front but what you see initially is what you get, period. Not so for many of the higher ENY rides- methinks this is why so many most of the better sticks "graduate" from LaLas and Spixteens. (not just to escape the labeling)
SpitXVI is awesome, yet manages barely a 1-1 kill ratio month to month...still amazes me.
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I fly the Spit I every few camps. It's one of the best turn fighters out there although the firepower's a little weak.
I also fly the Boston as a mid weight bomber almost every camp. It climbs like a banshee, is fast and carries enough ord to be destructive.
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Change the title to "Planes that are rarely used."
I've seen every aircraft and gv in the game in the main arena at some time or other, even if only once.
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Spit I is a favorite for new folks who ask "which is the best turning spitfire?"
They are usually last seen at about 80 mph indicated, nose up, spraying .303's into the air at the plane that will shortly come down from the rope to kill them.
I see Spit I's all the time.
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I used to fly the 39, decided I wanted to fly something with a bit more legs, but that 37mm cannon is REALLY fun!
I'm not sure why, but I'm so entertained by ripping every removable component off of an aircraft in one shot, without blowing them up, and watching the tail-less and wingless fuselage drop like a bomb... :lol
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I frequently use the Boston (single plane even) for radar porking. You are bombrunning that baby at somer 300 mph+ which means that if you plan ahead it will not be intercepted, since there is so little time.
Of course AR-234 will do that better, but not as fast (due to the Boston's ROC).
Had a blast the other day, since the enemies wanted my blood after I took out their radar, but I made it to base :D
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The Boston III is actually a very fast bomber.
From Soda's aircraft evaluation page:
The Boston III probably would surprise a lot of people if they knew a bit about it. Turning a 312mph sea-level cruise speed, the Boston can actually out-run a number of fighters (Spit V) though lots of people can still catch you. If you spend a little time and climb, about 12K is prime and yields around 335mph. That's pretty good, unless something is already at altitude it is unlikely to catch you in any reasonable amount of time (no way to climb up and catch you at the same time). The climb performance is fantastic too, 2,200ft/min at sea-level though I seem to have been able squeeze a bit more out of that at times. Fuel duration is 46 minutes, very short for a bomber but typically more than enough for a quick in-and-out bombing strike. You don't want to loiter though if you brought less than 75% fuel. If you don't want to waste a lot of time climbing but want a bombsight to work with, the Boston III is where it's at.
I also fly the Spit 1 and Hurri 1 quite often in the LW arenas. Last tour (I think) I had landed a 4 kill sortie in the Hurri. The real factor into flying one of these planes is not to go into the horde and expect to live.
Obie
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The a6m2 is also a very deadly plane in the game if one knows how to use it.
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p-39d
bostonIII
spit 1
can anyone think of anything else?
I flew the 39D last time I was flying. Flew the Boston yesterday. They all get used by someone would be my guess. What's it matter? They aren't like a horse that has to be groomed and fed.
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The Boston is a plane I use all the time. It is a lot of fun to dog fight in & people under estimate it.
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You're an idiot when you say P-39D, that thing would own you any day. You think it stinks because it doesnt have uber wep. But the 39D has a firm foot hold in AHII, and in the right hands, can easily hold it's own in the MA. :confused:
Same as Boston III, just because it's ENY isn't 5, doesn't mean it stinks.
I suppose you're going to add the Yak 9T/U, Spit 9, Spit 5, 109G2/6, 109F, F4U-1??
You, nor I have been playing long enough to accurately judge any plane.
What the crap? He just said they're hardly used, not that they stink. He didn't even imply that.
Now I'm going to read the rest of the thread but I couldn't continue to read with out responding to this needless attack on the OP.
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by starting this i was only saying that maybe we could have done some better things with the desicions. we could have first tackled what ppl have been asking for like the he-111,li-2,yak series,m-18 hellcat,maybe a good british tank,or much more.
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by starting this i was only saying that maybe we could have done some better things with the desicions. we could have first tackled what ppl have been asking for like the he-111,li-2,yak series,m-18 hellcat,maybe a good british tank,or much more.
I hate to tell you, but all those things would soon after introduction have threads made about them like yours.
The Spitfire Mk1, Boston III, and P39D, among others that you didn't list, are not necessarily competitive LW aircraft, but they're very important for scenario use (imagine a BoB scenario without the Spitfire Mk1!).
Just like the He-111, Pe-2, any more Yak's, or many of the other planes you see so often reqested, will most likely be 'hangar queens' in the LWMA, used only be people who don't care about flying teh besttest.
If the He111 is introduced, you will not likely see it very often. Same with the Yak 1 and 7. Same with the Pe2. The only aircraft that I could see being added and immediately used are the Me410, B29, and A26.
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The only aircraft that I could see being added and immediately used are the Me410, B29, and A26.
The B-29A and A-26 would both be perk aircraft. The Me410 would be mediocre to say the least, but used a lot as a base porker.
The Tu-2 would probably get some use as would the Do217, Ju188 or He177. There are a few other aircraft that would be used with some frequency as well, but very few "mass use" aircraft are left to be added.
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The Me410 would be mediocre to say the least, but used a lot as a base porker.
Considering one of the more common a/c in the MA today is the Bf110G being used for NOE missions I think the Me410 would see tons of use.
The Do217, 188, and Tu2 would be nice but I don't think the majority of MA toolshed'ers will step outside of the Lancaster, B17 and B24. The 217 188 and Tu2 will probably only mainly affect people that fly B26's regularly.
The 177 would be interesting, though. But I'd rather see more influential aircraft added first.
Don't take my previous post as saying I would not like to have more EW planes. I don't want any more LW planes at all for a while, personally.
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p-39d
bostonIII
spit 1
can anyone think of anything else?
You're obviously blind, looking for attention, or both. All of the above are used often.
Are you sure you downloaded AH2? Because you're not playing the same game that we are.
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The bahston III carries four 500lb bombs (x3 in a flight). If you're real good with your bombing aim a flight of Bahstons can take out two fighter hangers on the mediem airfield in one pass (4k on each hanger). If you are high enough and fast enough... few will catch you as the Bahstons can cruise very well. But then again... there seems to be more and more bomb-n-bail'in goin on these days. :mad:
I am very surprised the British didnt develope it further and add more of a bomb load like the US did to the A20. But... the Mossi came along and stole its thunder, I 'spose.
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I am very surprised the British didnt develope it further and add more of a bomb load like the US did to the A20. But... the Mossi came along and stole its thunder, I 'spose.
The Boston's performance in reality was much worse than it is in AH. Sure, it could reach these speeds, but bombers did not use full throttle for significant periods of time and instead flew on cruise settings. A Mossie on cruise settings is much, much faster than a Boston on cruise settings. The first squadron to switch to Mosquitoes was a Boston squadron, and they were very, very happy to do so.
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p-39d
bostonIII
spit 1
can anyone think of anything else?
boston is the A20, right?
i see them fairly often in mw. same for the spit1
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i forget which p-39 it is. but i never see bostons in mid war,late war and almost never in early war
you don't look hard enough
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i forget which p-39 it is. but i never see bostons in mid war,late war and almost never in early war
find cobia, and u find bostons. you'll also find them shredding whatever you choose to fly against it if cobia's flying it. :D
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I flew the N1K for a bit, good fighter but really had no better luck getting/landing kills in it than my standard 15/20ENY rides. (47,F6F,38,F4U) It seems to me that lower ENY rides have more to offer up front but what you see initially is what you get, period. Not so for many of the higher ENY rides- methinks this is why so many most of the better sticks "graduate" from LaLas and Spixteens. (not just to escape the labeling)
SpitXVI is awesome, yet manages barely a 1-1 kill ratio month to month...still amazes me.
well, some lable them as trainers. this is true to an extent.
when i first joined i was trying the pony, and the 38. i couldn't last long enough to make a single turn.
i was severly anti-spitfire from the old AW days, but i broke down and tried one. i think my experssion was something like :O as i not only managed a few turns, but for the first time in one of the MA's, i saw my rounds land home.
the spits/hurris/zekes, and other "easy mode" planes let you stay alive long enough to learn some maneuvers. then you can venture out into the more difficult rides. i like the hellcat.....a lot, although i still come across a lot of situations i don't know how to handle in that ride. but the only way i'm gonna learn is to do it, and try.
the "easy mode" planes have their place in defense too. excellent aircraft for very quick launch and immediate fights.
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I fly the Spit I every few camps. It's one of the best turn fighters out there although the firepower's a little weak.
I also fly the Boston as a mid weight bomber almost every camp. It climbs like a banshee, is fast and carries enough ord to be destructive.
biggest thing i hate about them.......if you don't wanna fight, it seems you can outrun almost anything
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The Boston's performance in reality was much worse than it is in AH. Sure, it could reach these speeds, but bombers did not use full throttle for significant periods of time and instead flew on cruise settings. A Mossie on cruise settings is much, much faster than a Boston on cruise settings...
Hear, Hear!
I see Boston's quite a bit as a quick response bomber unit. Good rate of climb and reasonably fast. No real defensive guns, but that's part of the trade.
If I was going to pick a bomber that you don't see often, it would be the B25-C.
How about adding the Mk IX or Mk XVI version of the Mosquito? A "glass nosed" version of the Mossie would be great :)
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the "easy mode" planes have their place in defense too. excellent aircraft for very quick launch and immediate fights.
Actually, defenders is exactly what the easy-mode aircraft are. The main arena is a lousy simulation of WW2 combat. No one wants to play hit and run forever, and so people start furballing, which is defensive fighting. It's no wonder that low-wingloading aircraft excel in the arena, but were not nearly as effective in actual war conditions.
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Hear, Hear!
I see Boston's quite a bit as a quick response bomber unit. Good rate of climb and reasonably fast. No real defensive guns, but that's part of the trade.
If I was going to pick a bomber that you don't see often, it would be the B25-C.
How about adding the Mk IX or Mk XVI version of the Mosquito? A "glass nosed" version of the Mossie would be great :)
i see both versions of the b25 quite often in response to inbound gv's
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i see both versions of the b25 quite often in response to inbound gv's
Excellent.
I always see the H model of the B25 upping to attack GVs, so I'm happy to hear that the C model gets some use.
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Excellent.
I always see the H model of the B25 upping to attack GVs, so I'm happy to hear that the C model gets some use.
ya, probably the wrong choice, but i do see it.
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It's no wonder that low-wingloading aircraft excel in the arena, but were not nearly as effective in actual war conditions.
You're saying that the Spitfire wasn't a succesful combat aircraft? Or the Zero?
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Nope, read what I said with a little more nuance. If the main arena were an accurate representation of actual WW2 combat, you'd have to conclude that the Spitfire was the best fighter of the war, period. On the other hand, in reality, e.g. the RAF was desperate to get the Luftwaffe 190s to slow down and dogfight, which they wouldn't do.
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Nope, read what I said with a little more nuance. If the main arena were an accurate representation of actual WW2 combat, you'd have to conclude that the Spitfire was the best fighter of the war, period. On the other hand, in reality, e.g. the RAF was desperate to get the Luftwaffe 190s to slow down and dogfight, which they wouldn't do.
That is only true if you limit your discussion of reality to Spitfire Mk Vs vs Fw190s. Read some Fw190 pilot comments about Mk IX and later Spitfires.
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What did they comment???
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That is only true if you limit your discussion of reality to Spitfire Mk Vs vs Fw190s. Read some Fw190 pilot comments about Mk IX and later Spitfires.
Certainly, a faster Spit is a better Spit for real war, even if it turns worse than previous models...And that's the point, turning performance wasn't a very valuable trait if it meant a sacrifice in other areas, like speed and roll.
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Somehow I would think that if the Spitfire was'nt a succesful combat aircraft it wouldn't be the only one that was in production when WWII began and was still in production when WWII ended. In fact it was still in production into the '50's. That's quite a commitment to something that's not among the best fighter aircraft of the time.
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Good, because I never said it wasn't successful.
Baldeagl, with all due respect, you have a habit of interpreting me uncharitably, and of glossing over important details in what I write. It's important to always interpret everyone as charitably as possible, otherwise you're arguing against a straw-man.
Specifically:
It's no wonder that low-wingloading aircraft excel in the arena, but were not nearly as effective in actual war conditions.
You're saying that the Spitfire wasn't a succesful combat aircraft?
Talk about putting words into someone's mouth, and the words you insert indicate a very dumb and uneducated opinion. Think about that.
The best part is that I specifically denied that the Spitfire wasn't a successful fighter:
Nope, read what I said with a little more nuance.
And then you still persist in attributing that belief to me. You are incorrigible.
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p-39d
bostonIII
spit 1
can anyone think of anything else?
i got one the Me-163 maybe the b-24 too.
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I might change my handle to a Greek Philosopher and then show everyone how snoot I can be. Wait, I realize my stay on this planet is a short one and will forgo trying to THINK "I'm better than someone else."
Why you guys continue to argue with this masterful troll named Anaxorgoras is beyond me? When cornered he will cease fire with the snobbery and shout "Straw-man!", "Ad hominem", "red herring", etc.
Actually, defenders is exactly what the easy-mode aircraft are. The main arena is a lousy simulation of WW2 combat. No one wants to play hit and run forever, and so people start furballing, which is defensive fighting. It's no wonder that low-wingloading aircraft excel in the arena, but were not nearly as effective in actual war conditions.
My suggestion, you AREN'T a philosopher, stop trying to sound like one. This quote of yours is "Ad hominem" at your finest. BTW, "wing loading" is two words, not your choice of usage.
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i got one the Me-163 maybe the b-24 too.
the 484th runs mass b24 raids weekly
163 only if there is an HQ raid going on
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You're an idiot when you say P-39D, that thing would own you any day. You think it stinks because it doesnt have uber wep. But the 39D has a firm foot hold in AHII, and in the right hands, can easily hold it's own in the MA. :confused:
Thats the stupidest saying in the world. That could apply to any plane, even the Wright Flyer.
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maybe the b-24 too.
Tell me, do you EVER fly in the Main Arena? Caus I see B24's a lot when I fly, and get shot down by them even more. I certainly wouldnt say that its an uncommon aircraft in the MA.
Concerning the OP, I think that the only aircraft I havent seen in the MA is the P39. (Maybe im not looking hard enough) but I see the Boston quite regularly and the spit 1 is also sighted quite regularly on my end.
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Yeah, my squad is mainly a bomber squad and the b24 almost all we fly when we bomb....
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Actually, defenders is exactly what the easy-mode aircraft are. The main arena is a lousy simulation of WW2 combat. No one wants to play hit and run forever, and so people start furballing, which is defensive fighting. It's no wonder that low-wingloading aircraft excel in the arena, but were not nearly as effective in actual war conditions.
YAKNOW.....
you're right. i hadn't reaqlly thought about it like that untill i reread your post a couple times.
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i got one the Me-163 maybe the b-24 too.
If you actually play the game and climb above 2K you will see a LOT of B24's. actually I think its the most used bomber in the game. Maybe SnaiLusche will tell us ?
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When I fly bomber intercept missions the 2 that I encounter above all others are the b-24 and the Lanc. Especially if I'm up defending a cv. Conversely, when I go after a cv it's either in 17s or 26s.
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my old squadron flew patrols daily over enemy HQs and deep in enemy lines but we nvr see b-24s. Only twice i have seen 24s upping and we creamed'em but my point is that the ME-163 as not many Mins. of fuel and its very fast, too fast to fight a 190. Only once i'v seen a 163 and its was low and fast and was ditching. Thats all.
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its very fast, too fast to fight a 190.
I take it you're not familiar with that little thing on you joystick called the throttle?
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my old squadron flew patrols daily over enemy HQs and deep in enemy lines but we nvr see b-24s. Only twice i have seen 24s upping and we creamed'em but my point is that the ME-163 as not many Mins. of fuel and its very fast, too fast to fight a 190. Only once i'v seen a 163 and its was low and fast and was ditching. Thats all.
The B24 is probably the most used bomber in the game save for the Lancaster.
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I take it you're not familiar with that little thing on you joystick called the throttle?
Tell me about it. If you know what you're doing to can fly it for 15-20mins and out turn almost anything in the game.