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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: iTunes on September 16, 2008, 10:08:07 AM
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Decided to take one up for a spin last night, It isn't a bad Plane, by reading some of the accounts of it on the bbs, you would think your going into a val! It's actually ok, I know there's faster 109's around but the G6 will be my ENY ride from now on.
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Yup, when ENY gets really high, the 109G-6 is a great ride. It's also a good perk-farmer when ENY is low.
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Slowest of the G/K models, heavier, turns worse, climbs worse. It had the worst guns package until recently, as well, being limited to a single 150-round option. Now that it has the 200-round option it is more viable as a fighter. It can be fun to fly, and has one of my favorite 109G skins available for use!
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Honestly guys, I didn't know what to expect when I first jumped in it, The anti 109 propaganda machine that lives on the bbs had done it's job well...
Took it up with 75% and a DT, cruised around 15k, dove on a 38 I wouldn't like to get too low and slow in it though, but overall I would recommend it to folks looking for a bit of fun and those who want to work that little bit harder for a kill.
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It has about 30 minutes at full throttle with 100% fuel. I almost never take less than a full tank (but sometimes I leave the DT off).
It's capable of getting low and slow, but you have to be carefuly. You don't want to do it where you'll get picked. It climbs well compared to most planes, so if you can get low/slow, get your enemy to join you, then you can often climb over them (spiral climb or yo yo or any number of moves) to get a kill shot on them. You have 10 mins WEP, so don't slouch when you need it.
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Took it up with 75% and a DT
Big mistake. The rack for the drop tank slows you down even after you have released it. You're probably used to skimping on fuel and taking drop tanks in allied aircraft, which don't suffer the same penalty because their racks for ordinance or drop tanks are usually there even if you don't load anything.
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And that's exactly what happened last night Krusty, I'm sure you were below me about 10k at one point, was near a bish base but can't remember the base #. Looked behind me and there was half the Bish Airforce in the usuall 16's etc all fighting each other to claim the 109 prize, next time I'll stay higer and fly a bit smarter, it didn't put me off fying the G6 though, think I'll stick with it a bit, btw, had my convergence set for d300 for both weapons, not sure if I should have the Cannon on the same convergence as the MG's though.
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And that's exactly what happened last night Krusty, I'm sure you were below me about 10k at one point, was near a bish base but can't remember the base #. Looked behind me and there was half the Bish Airforce in the usuall 16's etc all fighting each other to claim the 109 prize, next time I'll stay higer and fly a bit smarter, it didn't put me off fying the G6 though, think I'll stick with it a bit, btw, had my convergence set for d300 for both weapons, not sure if I should have the Cannon on the same convergence as the MG's though.
300 is a good convergence for the nose weapons, cannons and mg's. I use 400, but it doesn't make much difference. When that changes is if you load out the 30mm Mk108 on the G-14 or K-4, then you want to set the cannon to 200.
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On the other hand, anaxo, the rack only slows you down a few miles per hour. Generally speaking, a few MPH won't really save your life. When running you need a significant speed advantage over the plane you are fleeing from, otherwise if it's just a fewmph difference the plane will stay with you and shoot you down. The benefit of the 109G6 is the acceleration and WEP, so it will be able to run at higher output for longer durations, after the enemy has run out.
Overall I don't sweat the 3-5 MPH the drop tank racks slow me down.
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Overall I don't sweat the 3-5 MPH the drop tank racks slow me down.
Same here. In fact, I fight with the DT until I absolutely feel I need to get rid of it when flying 109s with the 20mm. When flying the K4, I usually drop it when I start shooting since the ammo doesn't last very long anyway.
Regards,
Hammer
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Yes, but why take the drop tank if you don't have to, i.e. 100% fuel > 75% + dt.
In the 109K-4, I take a drop tank without much hesitation, same goes for the 190D-9. In the slower aircraft, every mph counts when you undoubtedly run into a SpitXVI.
In general I'd say that the slower the 109 or 190, the greater penalty there is for taking a drop tank.
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I do like the G6. Performance-wise, its not on par with the rest of the G series, but I do feel as though it has much better stall characteristics than the 2 or the 14.
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Yes, but why take the drop tank if you don't have to, i.e. 100% fuel > 75% + dt.
The only time I don't take a dt is base defense. Otherwise I have 100% + external (talking 109 here). The situation in the arena changes quickly and I prefer the option of changing my destination enroute if the fight moves rather than having to land and refuel or reup.
Regards,
Hammer
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G6 is a mans plane. Regardless of performance i always think the G6 is a outstanding fighter regardless of performance charts. Just takes a skilled jagdflieger to understand it's characteristics.
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I think overall, what I'm trying to say is that I fell into the trap of beliving all the Anti 109 propoganda RE: flight models etc and I was fully expecting a Val like performance from the G6, I was pleasantly surprised by it and I would recommend anyone who has never tried it yet to take one up and have some fun in it. :)
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The G6 is a great aircraft. It's performance is greatly under rated. I actually prefer it to the G2 due to the MG131's.
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The G6 is a great aircraft. It's performance is greatly under rated. I actually prefer it to the G2 due to the MG131's.
Yup. There's a noticeable difference in lethality. Which 109s need.
- oldman
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Yup. There's a noticeable difference in lethality. Which 109s need.
::Kough4::
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I like the Bf109F-4. It is my new perk farmer and imo one of the most under-rated dog fighters in the game.
Turn off stall limiter. Get it trimmed out manually and keep combat trim off... and you will surprise even the zekes and Hurri pilots. If you dont have the angle in the turn, just straighten her out and accel or pull up into a slight left hand corkscrew turn.
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Tried one for the first time a couple of days ago - when it has speed, nice bird, when low and slow (I know, its my own fault for getting there - but was trying it out against a squaddie in the da) it has a bit of a nasty departure (although that could well be me as I suck as a pilot lol).
Would I fly it in the MA's - oh yes, I fly anything and everything
Some useful info in here tho, could have done with finding some of this out before getting my keister handed to me in the DA lol.... :D
Wurzel
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::Kough4::
We're talking about flying challenging planes here, not K4s.
- oldman
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We're talking about flying challenging planes here, not K4s.
- oldman
Without a doubt, the 109K-4 is the most survivable 109 in the main arena, and if you get a tater hit the enemy is going down 95% of the time. But, with all due respect Oldman, the 109K-4 is more challenging than the popular rides in the arena, e.g. Spit16, N1K, La-7, P-51D.
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the G6 is my favorite 109 IMO it an outstanding fighter BnZ or TnB it does it all well there have been only few situations that i couldn't wiggle my way out of in a G6
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The MA Issue seems to be that folks will fly the easy mode crates and it's a shame that a great little plane like the G6 gets a bad rap sometimes, I just don't get why a lot of folks in the MA would up a 16 rather than a spit 9 or a G6 or something like that.
I've been getting my prettythang handed to me a on a regular basis in the G6, but what the heck, I'm learning it and having some fun. :)
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We're talking about flying challenging planes here, not K4s.
- oldman
Flying torque machine... wont roll or turn with many of its counterparts... poor visibility... a weapons package you cant deploy over 200 yards...
...is not a challenging aircraft? When did this become the case?
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I like all the 109's, including the E4. The K4, as others have said in the past, is among the best non-perked aircraft in the game. I actually think I like the G2 better than the F4. The G6 and G14 are fun but I tend to lean toward the G2 and K4 respectively instead.
I always take 100% internal fuel with no drop tank. It's more than enough.
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Without a doubt, the 109K-4 is the most survivable 109 in the main arena, and if you get a tater hit the enemy is going down 95% of the time. But, with all due respect Oldman, the 109K-4 is more challenging than the popular rides in the arena, e.g. Spit16, N1K, La-7, P-51D.
I guess that's probably true, Gavagai, but I think of it as being in the same general class as those other 1945 planes. The G6 belongs with its 1943-44 contemporaries, e.g. the P-47D11 and D25, the P-51B, perhaps the Typhoon and Spit9 and Yak 9T and early Corsairs. Even in that crowd the G6 wouldn't often be your first pick. Among the 109s the K4 is clearly the best, with the 109F being next and the G6 being the most difficult to fly effectively.
That's just my opinion, of course.
- oldman
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I like all of the 109's
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The 109G6 is actually pretty easy to fly, almost exactly similar in handling characteristics to the G2, which is the most well rounded, easiest to fly of the 109's. The K4 by comparison is actually harder to fly IMO but much more effective once you get proficient in it.
It's like the way people compare the Spitfire MkIX to the Spitfire MkXVI.