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Title: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: SkyRock on September 19, 2008, 10:22:02 AM
so much for less government. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: JAGED on September 19, 2008, 10:23:58 AM
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Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: Mojava on September 19, 2008, 10:29:56 AM
 Vote Republican, higher taxes and bigger government.  Truth stings a bit...
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: SkyRock on September 19, 2008, 10:36:34 AM
Vote Republican, higher taxes and bigger government.  Truth stings a bit...
They always say, less government and less taxes, yet it always ends up more debt, and more government. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: rabbidrabbit on September 19, 2008, 11:02:26 AM
He actually said there needs to be one agency instead of dozens of legacy agencies who don't work together.  Pretty much the opposite of your claim.  No need to let integrity get in the way of personal gain right?
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: TwentyFo on September 19, 2008, 11:14:21 AM
so much for less government. :rolleyes:

Skyrock.....totally agree.

Hey American people this is who you want 4 more years of? Bush and McCain are pretty similar when it comes to their economic policies. Deregulation and let the market operate on its own is what they stand for. Yea, smaller government means throwing $80 Billion to bail out a failing business.
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: Donzo on September 19, 2008, 11:22:52 AM
What's wrong with the market operating on it's own?

IMO it should be allowed to operate on it's own and left to take the hit when it screws up...period.

Remember the savings and loan thinigy a few years back?   That happened under regulation. 

So regulation or no regulation can lead to a failed or damaged market. 

The key to the whole thing is to not have all the banks so intertwined that when one fails because of stupid decisions many others are affected.
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: TwentyFo on September 19, 2008, 11:33:06 AM
What's wrong with the market operating on it's own?

IMO it should be allowed to operate on it's own and left to take the hit when it screws up...period.

Remember the savings and loan thinigy a few years back?   That happened under regulation. 

So regulation or no regulation can lead to a failed or damaged market. 

The key to the whole thing is to not have all the banks so intertwined that when one fails because of stupid decisions many others are affected.

That's the problem, Republicans say they want a free market, but when a business is going to fail they bail them out. The airline's are a perfect example. There have been numerous airlines that have been bailed out by the federal government. The financial industry is in shambles right now, so the government is bailing them out. The so called "free market" does not really exist here in the US. So more government is the solution to the problem? Which is it?
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: Donzo on September 19, 2008, 11:38:20 AM
The financial industry is in shambles right now, so the government is bailing them out.


Who controls congress right now?
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: Mojava on September 19, 2008, 11:40:53 AM
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Who controls congress right now?

 No one, there is not a clear enough majority of either party to get anything done.
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: scot12b on September 19, 2008, 11:44:09 AM
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Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: Donzo on September 19, 2008, 11:49:33 AM
No one, there is not a clear enough majority of either party to get anything done.

Oh, must the the dems then.
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: Sixpence on September 19, 2008, 11:54:14 AM

Who controls congress right now?

Who had total control for almost 8 years?
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: Donzo on September 19, 2008, 12:06:18 PM
Who had total control for almost 8 years?

We're talking about the current bail-out....keep up.
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: bongaroo on September 19, 2008, 01:04:28 PM
So we are talking currently?  I thought I just saw Bush and friends talking about the bailout.  Oh thats right, I did.

The first sentence reads "The Bush administration..."  hmmm....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080919/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown;_ylt=AvIpQ4AcnA8OJk2H9zxMfhWs0NUE
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: Yeager on September 19, 2008, 01:11:47 PM
Skyrock.....totally agree.

Hey American people this is who you want 4 more years of? Bush and McCain are pretty similar when it comes to their economic policies. Deregulation and let the market operate on its own is what they stand for. Yea, smaller government means throwing $80 Billion to bail out a failing business.
There is no way in hell I would trust Osama BinBiden on this one.  No way in hell.
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: Hangtime on September 19, 2008, 01:20:18 PM
Who had total control for almost 8 years?


Who controls congress right now?

No one, there is not a clear enough majority of either party to get anything done.

It's YOU America!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Uncle_Sam_(pointing_finger).jpg/446px-Uncle_Sam_(pointing_finger).jpg)

YOU VOTED 'EM IN..
YOU CAN VOTE 'EM OUT!
GET IT DONE IN '08!
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: bongaroo on September 19, 2008, 01:20:59 PM
It's YOU America!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Uncle_Sam_(pointing_finger).jpg/446px-Uncle_Sam_(pointing_finger).jpg)

YOU VOTED 'EM IN..
YOU CAN VOTE 'EM OUT!
GET IT DONE IN '08!

True 'dat!  Get BUSH and co. outta there!
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: Donzo on September 19, 2008, 01:25:23 PM
True 'dat!  Get BUSH and co. outta there!


True dat!  Get McCain and co. in there!
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: crockett on September 19, 2008, 01:36:14 PM
There is no way in hell I would trust Osama BinBiden on this one.  No way in hell.

Yea you should obviously trust McCain who was right in the middle of the last Savings and Loan scandal which required a govt bail out for big business with tax payer money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: bongaroo on September 19, 2008, 01:41:16 PM

True dat!  Get McCain and co. in there!

Nah, he's a 90% copy of the Bush and Co. aforementioned.  No thanks.
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: MORAY37 on September 19, 2008, 02:25:23 PM
We're talking about the current bail-out....keep up.

Which, congress had absolutely nothing to do with.  They've been screaming from the hill for Bush to tell them what he's doing.  He didn't want to.  All of congress... not just the majority of one representative party. (which is only BARELY a statistical majority... not a workable one.)

So he sent Burnanke up last night to talk about it. This is why congress, as a whole body, is upset.  There is absolutely no check on this particular power, from unelected offices in the Fed.

Burnanke, got all smug, saying "85 billion? Ha, we have 800 billion."  In unprinted currency, is what he forgot to mention.  We just used up 10% of our emergency funds. More than that, and inflation begins to take over. In the end, through this plan, our debt goes up again, and we the tazpayer are stuck with it.... without a vote from congress, our elected representation.

Bush has, in the last 8 years, (6 of which he had an unrestrained majority in both houses) more than DOUBLED our debt.  Standing at over 9 TRILLION dollars, debt.  (he inherited just about 4 trillion) Tell me how this position is defensible, again?
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: bongaroo on September 19, 2008, 02:27:15 PM
Which, congress had absolutely nothing to do with.  They've been screaming from the hill for Bush to tell them what he's doing.  He didn't want to.  All of congress... not just the majority of one representative party. (which is only BARELY a statistical majority... not a workable one.)

So he sent Burnanke up last night to talk about it. This is why congress, as a whole body, is upset.  There is absolutely no check on this particular power, from unelected offices in the Fed.

Burnanke, got all smug, saying "85 billion? Ha, we have 800 billion."  In unprinted currency, is what he forgot to mention.  We just used up 10% of our emergency funds. More than that, and inflation begins to take over. In the end, through this plan, our debt goes up again, and we the tazpayer are stuck with it.... without a vote from congress, our elected representation.

Bush has, in the last 8 years, (6 of which he had an unrestrained majority in both houses) more than DOUBLED our debt.  Standing at over 9 TRILLION dollars, debt.  (he inherited just about 4 trillion) Tell me how this position is defensible, again?

We should really be working to eliminate the Federal Reserve Bank.  I really hate how they operate behind closed doors.
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: lazs2 on September 19, 2008, 03:02:00 PM
skycrock...  how is getting rid of a dozen agencies and replacing them with one making for "bigger" government?

I would just as soon they got rid of em all but a dozen or so is a good start.

lazs
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: Hangtime on September 19, 2008, 03:12:41 PM
it's the 'homeland security' solution. 'bigger government, 'n more of it too!'

'yer doin a heluva job, brownie'.

Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: rabbidrabbit on September 19, 2008, 03:13:06 PM
One sad state of affairs is how this place has descended into hysterical party tools tossing around fabrications in order to discredit the opposing candidate.  What they don't realize is such actions discredit themselves more so than anything else.  If you have a point then fine.  If you want to toss out some wisecrack then fine.  Mindless lies for the sake for trolling is the domain of spammers and other trash.
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: crockett on September 19, 2008, 03:36:22 PM
We should really be working to eliminate the Federal Reserve Bank.  I really hate how they operate behind closed doors.

That will never happen, the only way to get rid of the Fed is if it goes bankrupt.
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: crockett on September 19, 2008, 03:37:58 PM
skycrock...  how is getting rid of a dozen agencies and replacing them with one making for "bigger" government?

I would just as soon they got rid of em all but a dozen or so is a good start.

lazs

Humm I must have this lazs confused with another one.. I though he was for smaller govt less taxes and more state control. I must be mistaken.
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: SkyRock on September 19, 2008, 04:05:52 PM


The key to the whole thing is to not have all the banks so intertwined that when one fails because of stupid decisions many others are affected.
Before these fellas took over





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capitalism and freedom still existed.  There hasn't been true freedom since. :(
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: SkyRock on September 19, 2008, 04:10:49 PM
One sad state of affairs is how this place has descended into hysterical party tools tossing around fabrications in order to discredit the opposing candidate.  What they don't realize is such actions discredit themselves more so than anything else.  If you have a point then fine.  If you want to toss out some wisecrack then fine.  Mindless lies for the sake for trolling is the domain of spammers and other trash.
Whoooaaa, whooaa, now, WARNING!   SERIOUS FACE ALERT!!!



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 :rofl
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: alskahawk on September 19, 2008, 08:02:47 PM
 9 Trillion in debt. 450 billion dollar deficit this year. Last 7 year average? -300 billion? Now a 1.1 trillion dollar bail out. Dollar at lowest level since? Enron, World Com, Bailouts, Iraq, Al-Qaeda approx. 300 members in 2000 3000+ in 2008

 Did the Republicans do any of the things they have been whining about for the last 20 years? Guns? Abortions? Prayer in schools? Smaller government? A government the people trust? A transparent government?

They had total control of the government for 6 years. Partial control for the last 2. And they did not even take care of thier base.

 Ya lets create a new agency. The others are working so well.

 
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: Elfie on September 19, 2008, 08:08:16 PM
True 'dat!  Get BUSH and co. outta there!

You hitting the bong when you posted that? Seriously.....Bush and Co. are on their way out regardless of the voters. There is no option for Bush and Co. to stay.

Vote out the retards that are in Congress right now, vote in some people that actually have brains and know how to use them.
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 19, 2008, 08:13:52 PM
He actually said there needs to be one agency instead of dozens of legacy agencies who don't work together.  Pretty much the opposite of your claim.  No need to let integrity get in the way of personal gain right?

Isnt that what  they said after 9/11?

What we ended up with was. "The Dept of Homeland Security" Yet another government agency

Anytime they want to combine agencies or get agencies to "work better together." they create a new one to oversee the rest
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 19, 2008, 08:17:57 PM
True 'dat!  Get BUSH and co. outta there!

And you end up with more of the same.

You honestly think the Democrats are any better??

Gotta get em ALL out. both parties.

G.R.I.P.

Get
Rid of
Incumbent
Politicians
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: Elfie on September 19, 2008, 08:44:41 PM
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Isnt that what  they said after 9/11?

I think after 9/11 they were talking about the intel agencies, should have combined all the intel into one agency, dump all the redundant crap.
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: SkyRock on September 19, 2008, 08:57:03 PM
Isnt that what  they said after 9/11?

What we ended up with was. "The Dept of Homeland Security" Yet another government agency

Anytime they want to combine agencies or get agencies to "work better together." they create a new one to oversee the rest
Exactly, it's the republican way of socializing everyone:  "All non-conformers shall be placed on a tier far below we, which we shall deem the social populus."

 By using language to discern american citizen from american citizen like, socialism, liberalism, communism, Darwinism, mysticism, heathenism, hippi-ism, druggie-ism, taxandspendism, lazyteacherism, moronism, youdidntlinkmeasourceIagreewi thism.  Whatever it takes to make you stop thinking for yourself and follow some ideology that sounds good if everyones "pursuit of happiness" all ended in the same place, but it doesn't.  


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PS  Repubs are for Big gubment. :devil

Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: Animl on September 19, 2008, 10:43:02 PM
You hitting the bong when you posted that? Seriously.....Bush and Co. are on their way out regardless of the voters. There is no option for Bush and Co. to stay.

Vote out the retards that are in Congress right now, vote in some people that actually have brains and know how to use them.

Umm,...it was the president's job to put up tactics\regulations for them to pass, he didn't. Part of the reason for the current problems is because they\Reps\Pres\McCain have been prancing around like fairies in a flower field claiming "the economy is strong",... which of course explains why they ignored the red flags in the housing situation. They conveniently ignored them (kinda like 911) because it made them look good that THE ONLY thing everyone thought they did right, and that they bragged about until 6 months ago,...and in 03 with housing on the rise,... was ,..wellll...........that's IDIOTIC.

Blame this congress all you want, everything that caused this was in motion and allowed to go un regulated by this admin and the last congress,.... long before the current took office. This is the ripple effects on the last congress and Bush's first 6 years that coming back to bite us.

Lets not confuse the facts with party-line trekkie nonsense.


Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 19, 2008, 10:53:15 PM
Exactly, it's the republican way of socializing everyone:  "All non-conformers shall be placed on a tier far below we, which we shall deem the social populus."

 By using language to discern american citizen from american citizen like, socialism, liberalism, communism, Darwinism, mysticism, heathenism, hippi-ism, druggie-ism, taxandspendism, lazyteacherism, moronism, youdidntlinkmeasourceIagreewi thism.  Whatever it takes to make you stop thinking for yourself and follow some ideology that sounds good if everyones "pursuit of happiness" all ended in the same place, but it doesn't.  


thank you, thank you very much.(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/Skyrock67/elvis.jpg)


PS  Repubs are for Big gubment. :devil



Somehow I seem to remember a few Democrats voting in favor as well.
They all do it together.

Someone offers you a cup of crap
But you have two choices,You can have it in one of two two different looking cups.

1st cup has lines on it that run in a zig zag pattern
2nd cup has lines on it that run in a wavy pattern on it

Which cup of crap is better?
Neither. Your getting a cup of crap
No matter which cup you choose your getting the same crap.
The only thing different is the lines.

Same thing with the Democrats and Republicans
Same crap. The only difference is the lines they give you
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: Druss on September 19, 2008, 11:10:28 PM
Gee Skyrock. The way you whine about this election, people would think you have MONEY on the outcome!  :D

The rest of you and your comrades need to educate themselves on the difference between Republicans, Conservatives, Liberals, and Democrats.

A tip to make that education easier: the liberals will be the ones whose every other word begins with an F or S. Being basically amoral, as opposed to immoral, they will be the ones doing things in broad daylight that dumb beasts would be ashamed to do in the dead of night. They corrupt Schnausers. They drink the blood of the innocent. They have body odor. They hump the dead.













Just yanking your chain,son. Just funnin' with you.    :lol
Title: Re: McCain wants new agency to fix financial crisis
Post by: crockett on September 20, 2008, 12:26:51 AM
Look like Congress was scared into approving this, last bail out because they were told the US economy was days away from colapse.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/20/washington/19cnd-cong.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&adxnnlx=1221858508-+aPAUTTfwhiHUOb7sczP1Q

The article goes on to say there might be a total of a trillion dollars in bail out needed. Is it true, who knows, because they wont give us little people the full info we are just expected to pay for it no questions asked.