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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Dadsguns on September 26, 2008, 08:27:16 AM
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With all due respect to everyone, this is by no means a whine, this event brings the need to address how the ENY calculations are being made, I may be looking at this wrong so please bear with me. this isn't meant to incite a riot or dig up old dirt simply to level the field of play in all aspects.
First let me say that ENY is what it is. Some people like it some do not and this is not up for debate here.
My discussion isn't so much about ENY but how and when its applied during game play and how it should be adjusted in a way when certain events happen as I will discuss the events of what I saw last night, let me give you the low down that leads to this post.
There were 73 Bish, 46 Knights, 66 Rooks in game. Bish of course had an ENY that fluctuated from 8-20 ENY. NOTE: All three fronts were fighting against each other and NME dars were evenly matched at each front.
The biggest furball was at base A1 where the Knights were bringing the fight to the Bish Field, I don't think the fight ever made it out of Bish Dar, so bish still may have had numbers but not an advantage, so ENY worked effectively keeping it a fair fight and not one base capture was made on that front.
However, on the rook side, they too were bringing the fight to Bish bases looking for furballers, yet did not defend other bases with the exception of a few defenders, we took 3 bases with 5 players, not a horde of Bish, but with 5. They continued to come at one Bish base in droves to furball, while they choose to do so they were unaware of the entire attacking front and leaving us to capture them.
The Rooks had the Knights pushed back to the uncapturables and Knights were engaging the rooks to get them back. So they were fighting for some time. Base captures were back and forth between them.
This scenario stated above was actual and ENY, well, if you agree with it or not, was in place since bish "had the numbers"..... Fair enough.
However, at a point in the game it was as if a truce was called between the Rooks and Knights since the pressure at both fronts were overwhelming and obviously something changed. This change is my concern to keep it "FAIR".
When this event happened I observed on the map that Not ONE single Con or Base were either being attacked, flashing, in air period on the Rook/Knight front. Very evident from moments before, that the bright young minds down there called a truce and decided to Push Back the BISH. "Fair Enough" This has not been the first time this has happened and by no means am I saying for it to stop, but if it is allowed and will continue than it needs to be "FAIR" for everyone. I will point this out to you below.
Now with all the dynamics of what happened above, my point is:
Bish did have the numbers and was penalized with an ENY for doing so.
When this shift happened, now Bish were out numbered at one point by 50 players by adding the Rook and Knights players together and BISH still had an ENY, the "UNITED FRONT" however did not.
Regardless of which chess piece you are and how you enjoy to play the game, either captures, GV'ing, furballs, milkruns, pick, run, etc. etc. how is this fair for ALL players that want to enjoy the game and play it the way they want?
How is it fair for a any chess piece to fight with an ENY that prevents the use of uber rides to defend against the NME, then have the two fronts attack only the piece that has the ENY?
HTC- Please make some adjustment for when this happens, so that the receiving end is not fighting a fight with BOTH hands tied behind its back thus keeping it a "FAIR" fight.
Factor in the activity or lack thereof between the other front, when there is no activity between a front they are obviously attacking in a united front. Why not implement an ENY on that united front. NME is NME, when they combine there numbers and efforts to attack one side, they have no restriction so theoretically a side could be outnumbered by 200% without no restrictions.
Don't get me wrong, if this tactic is warranted and is going to be used more often, than an adjustment needs to be made to keep it "FAIR" for ALL players. One side should not be penalized for the lack of skill or effort of the other two when they combine and this game is not about just furballing in some gigantic horde. If two sides need to combine and form one GIGANTIC HORDE in an effort to overwhelm the one side, then that should be penalized accordingly as well.
:salute
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I find it hard to believe that our beloved nits would ever form an alliance with the evil, Nasa-cadet, wannabe rooks. Got any pics of the map?
How could the game be coded to "know" when two sides have an alliance? :confused: ENY never bothers me much because I just keep upping less competitive aircraft or I switch arenas. Anyway, keep things in perspective. The nits get rolled all the time by you organized, win-the-war bish, maybe it was time for some payback? :t And it's just a game.
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I find it hard to believe that our beloved nits would ever form an alliance with the evil, Nasa-cadet, wannabe rooks. Got any pics of the map?
How could the game be coded to "know" when two sides have an alliance? :confused: ENY never bothers me much because I just keep upping less competitive aircraft or I switch arenas. Anyway, keep things in perspective. The nits get rolled all the time by you organized, win-the-war bish, maybe it was time for some payback? :t And it's just a game.
I did take snapshots of the map, I have no idea how to post them here.
I too draw blanks how to determine or "know" when two sides have formed an alliance, thats why I dont get paid the big bucks.
Getting some payback may be well deserved, but keeping it "fair" is the goal of this thread and being able to defend against lower ENY planes when ENY is placed upon the recieving side.
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I find it hard to believe that our beloved nits would ever form an alliance with the evil, Nasa-cadet, wannabe rooks. Got any pics of the map?
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
ENY never bothers me much because I just keep upping less competitive aircraft or I switch arenas.
MY definition of ENV: Kinda like having a gun fight using a .380 vs. the banana clip felon using the AK47. :devil
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However, on the rook side, they too were bringing the fight to Bish bases looking for furballers, yet did not defend other bases with the exception of a few defenders, we took 3 bases with 5 players, not a horde of Bish, but with 5. They continued to come at one Bish base in droves to furball, while they choose to do so they were unaware of the entire attacking front and leaving us to capture them.
5 players would be a medium size horde.
:noid
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There was a large furball going on on the Knight-Rook front the whole time that Dadsguns was complaining about being gangbanged over 200 (at least the time I was on, apparently he had been at it for a while before I logged on as well). The only place Knights were engaged on the Bish front was the constant A1-A2 furball.
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This has been going on forever. That's why I've always advocated a localized ENY although the implementation would be difficult.
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This has been going on forever. That's why I've always advocated a localized ENY although the implementation would be difficult.
Now that is a interesting idea, localize ENY, would that be to a base, sector or to heavily populated section of the map? As to Dadsguns post I am in agreement with him, not because we in the same squad but trying to get a fair balance in this game is a difficult task. One idea I had is to work it just like a moderators due for vox & text in game, why not do the same thing for countries that are being ganged on by the other two contries no matter who it is. The moderator could possibly adjust ENY for current events and return them to automatic once the balance has been restored, of course Hitech would choose who these people would be and it could be more than one, just a thought.
DCCBOSS :salute
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There was a large furball going on on the Knight-Rook front the whole time that Dadsguns was complaining about being gangbanged over 200 (at least the time I was on, apparently he had been at it for a while before I logged on as well). The only place Knights were engaged on the Bish front was the constant A1-A2 furball.
Then you were there well after the fact, after pointing it out they started to engage each other again.
Boss, could you imagine what could happen when that magic ENY box is put into the wrong hands....lmao
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What would happen if it were in mine...... *starts evil laugh* Man, free 262s for everyone! :devil
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MY definition of ENV: Kinda like having a gun fight using a .380 vs. the banana clip felon using the AK47. :devil
It ain't hard to find a plane to fight with up to 30 ENY. Only then does it get hard.
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However, at a point in the game it was as if a truce was called between the Rooks and Knights since the pressure at both fronts were overwhelming and obviously something changed. This change is my concern to keep it "FAIR".
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The nits get rolled all the time by you organized, win-the-war bish, maybe it was time for some payback? :t And it's just a game.
I couldn't agree more! I cannot count how many times ive logged in to see the Knit-Bish, Knit-rook front burning bigger than California in the summer but absolutely NO fighting on the Bish-rook front.
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What if the ENY at each air base was determined by the number of aircraft in flight from that certain base?
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How is it fair for a any chess piece to fight with an ENY that prevents the use of uber rides to defend against the NME, then have the two fronts attack only the piece that has the ENY?
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Use a Spit5; take 2 kills, go home, get another, repeat until enemy defeated. :devil
AH is an air combat sim with a strategic element to it; thus it simulates war. War is not fair, thus AH need not attempt to sim "fair"; however it does attempt it with the ENY calculations. Therefore it is equitable in a manner that would never have existed in a real war.
PLUS you may have as many cartoon airplanes, thus lives, as you wish (or the spouse will allow) for $15/month. :salute
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Fly Luftwaffe.
190 A-8 = 31 (+/-) ENY
Always available :aok
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AH is an air combat sim with a strategic element to it; thus it simulates war. War is not fair, thus AH need not attempt to sim "fair"; however it does attempt it with the ENY calculations. Therefore it is equitable in a manner that would never have existed in a real war.
This is exactly what is being requested in such a situation.
Use a Spit5; take 2 kills, go home, get another, repeat until enemy defeated. :devil
Fly Luftwaffe.
190 A-8 = 31 (+/-) ENY
The issue isn't being able to up an airplane of choice, its implementing an ENY where applicable when two sides attack strictly the one side that already has an ENY restricting what it can fly.
There is no pilot that can take town 5 NIKS with a 190A8 when there is a horde as was mentioned here, so when the two sides that do not have the ENY attack en-mass on 1 side, there are little options to defend yourself with. There is just no match or anything to keep it even remotely close to fair.
I can assure you, I have never seen anyone up any of these planes to defend a base while its under attack unless an ENY is in place, A6M would be more appropriate for this type of defense, much less use them to attack a larger force, since in most cases they would get eaten alive by the 5-10 ENY planes easily.
So by relieving the ENY for the 1 side, or increasing it for the two attacking sides, or having an area ENY would more closely match the actual dynamics of the game.
When I come to your town, I surely don't see you practicing what you preach, and surely don't see you upping these planes to defend yourself, your wings would be clipped faster than you could say Foul.
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This is exactly what is being requested in such a situation.
I can assure you, I have never seen anyone up any of these planes to defend a base while its under attack unless an ENY is in place, A6M would be more appropriate for this type of defense, much less use them to attack a larger force, since in most cases they would get eaten alive by the 5-10 ENY planes easily.
Never been on when JG11 is on?
When I come to your town, I surely don't see you practicing what you preach, and surely don't see you upping these planes to defend yourself, your wings would be clipped faster than you could say Foul.
Sure you do. We ONLY fly Luftwaffe in the MA. :aok
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This is exactly what is being requested in such a situation.
The issue isn't being able to up an airplane of choice, its implementing an ENY where applicable when two sides attack strictly the one side that already has an ENY restricting what it can fly.
I guess there is a downside to being part of the hord collective. Long live ENY!
ack-ack
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I guess there is a downside to being part of the hord collective. Long live ENY!
ack-ack
Evidently not, if two sides can hord as a collective.
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LOL!!
There isn't a Nit alliance with us evil Rooks! We do have cookies though... :noid
:aok
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LOL!!
There isn't a Nit alliance with us evil Rooks! We do have cookies though... :noid
:aok
If there wasn't and alliance before, there will be now. Come off with some of those cookies :furious
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If there wasn't and alliance before, there will be now. Come off with some of those cookies :furious
I'll let you try just one... :D
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I'll let you try just one... :D
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u7/rattfink31/sheepcookie.jpg)
Oh my :O
Already has a pre-shaved bellybutton and everything :rock
Let the alliance begin. :devil
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:devil
Just for you my friend << :salute >>