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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Anaxogoras on September 26, 2008, 10:08:50 PM
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Since learning how to drive a tank (I still suck), I've learned first hand how frustrating it is to have a good tank fight intruded on by ground attack aircraft, whether or not they are friendly or enemy. Let's not even worry about the people who have to immediately up an Il-2 or A-20 when you kill them in their M4... Today I watched a countryman drop about 6k of bombs from his Lancstukas on one panzer. :huh I was naive enough to suggest that maybe that's not the best way to encourage him to come back. :P
I know some will say "hey, that's war." But remember that in most cases the person in the airplane takes on no risk when they drop a bomb on a tank. It is a totally one-sided engagement. Yes, gv busting has its place, but leave the fun tank battles alone.
Anyway, my apologies for any good gv fights that I've messed up with my 190F-8. I will use more discretion with it to break up genuine base capture attempts, good old hangar busting, and ordinance porking, but I will try to leave simple gv fights alone! :salute
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Every map should have a tank town where the v-bases cannot be captured, and there's 30k foot mountains around it to prevent aircraft from intruding. Wasn't the trinity map like that?
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Anyway, my apologies for any good gv fights that I've messed up with my 190F-8. I will use more discretion with it to break up genuine base capture attempts, good old hangar busting, and ordinance porking, but I will try to leave simple gv fights alone! :salute
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I don't think your F8 is a huge disruption. Well.... when compared to lancastukas anyway. :D
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I like good gv battles myself, so I second your decision hehe :aok
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Consider this, if your going to GV and not want to be bombed - try porking ords before you go GV'ing.
Yes I do this, and have I been bombed recently? nope. Some whine when they take off from capped airfields, so try this for a chance - take off from the
next airfield and climb out so you can safely enter a field with your gears up. Now try this in a GV - don't want to be bombed? pork the ords.
Oh and for Stodd - if the planes are coming from a CV, then sink the CV and they cant up period :)
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Consider this, if your going to GV and not want to be bombed - try porking ords before you go GV'ing.
Yes I do this, and have I been bombed recently? nope. Some whine when they take off from capped airfields, so try this for a chance - take off from the
next airfield and climb out so you can safely enter a field with your gears up. Now try this in a GV - don't want to be bombed? pork the ords.
Oh and for Stodd - if the planes are coming from a CV, then sink the CV and they cant up period :)
:rofl
Let's not even worry about the people who have to immediately up an Il-2 or A-20 when you kill them in their M4
Yep its always the tards you kill 20 times that do that. Tomcat21 and hs squad good example of that.
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Consider this, if your going to GV and not want to be bombed - try porking ords before you go GV'ing.
Yes I do this, and have I been bombed recently? nope. Some whine when they take off from capped airfields, so try this for a chance - take off from the
next airfield and climb out so you can safely enter a field with your gears up. Now try this in a GV - don't want to be bombed? pork the ords.
Good idea. It's workable when there's only one enemy airfield nearby, but even then the ords only stay down for a few minutes. Moreover, with the new 37mm spears of death on the Il-2, they don't need ords to be up to ruin a good gv fight.
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The thing the frustrates me when I'm in a GV battle or killing GVs in my IL-2 or B-25 are those in fighter aircraft strafing tanks with MG and small cannon fire. I just don't get it. They make one or two runs that do no damage just to take the kill away from the person who put the work in.
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If Wirbles/Osties are mixed up in the tanks, it's actually pretty hard to dive bomb tanks w/o dying. At times I'll find myself fully loaded flying around a GV fight, watching the Wirbles and deciding to bug off. IMHO, it's a realistic part of WWII... which I know no one will want to hear... but that's what makes taking an enemy base w/ GV's w/o air support is so difficult! I think it just encourages team play! :aok
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The thing the frustrates me when I'm in a GV battle or killing GVs in my IL-2 or B-25 are those in fighter aircraft strafing tanks with MG and small cannon fire. I just don't get it. They make one or two runs that do no damage just to take the kill away from the person who put the work in.
Ah yeah I notice that alot, most the time roughly 85% its new guys in a P-51 or spitfire strafing a tank. Just give them 20 seconds to fly around he will generally slam into a tree or the tank in 3-4 turns or less.
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If Wirbles/Osties are mixed up in the tanks, it's actually pretty hard to dive bomb tanks w/o dying. At times I'll find myself fully loaded flying around a GV fight, watching the Wirbles and deciding to bug off. IMHO, it's a realistic part of WWII... which I know no one will want to hear... but that's what makes taking an enemy base w/ GV's w/o air support is so difficult! I think it just encourages team play! :aok
Wirbels are a threat to me when I make rocket attacks, but with a 500kg bomb all you need is a 500kg bomb and they are no threat.
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The thing the frustrates me when I'm in a GV battle or killing GVs in my IL-2 or B-25 are those in fighter aircraft strafing tanks with MG and small cannon fire. I just don't get it. They make one or two runs that do no damage just to take the kill away from the person who put the work in.
I can debate this. MG fire can destroy enemy tanks. As the 84th FS Co i train my pilot's how to effectively kill panzers, M4s with our P47's 8x50 cal guns. Once our ordnance are expended we proceed to strafe down enemy tank's weak points with our guns and we have had success. I'll be glad to film a sortie which proves tanks can be destroyed by concentrated MG/Cannon fire.
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I've been tracked by strafing fighters after they make about 6-8 passes, but never destroyed. Are you not describing these targets towering out after you've tracked them?
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I've been having great fun strafing tanks with the new Il2 37MMs, but they seriously need to be perked. Just too easy to maul tanks, especially since the Il2 just shrugs off minor pings from WWs.
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I will up an Il-2 when someone drops the VH at the base I am gv'ing from. Did it the other night while someone was trying to take said base for about two hours.
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I can debate this. MG fire can destroy enemy tanks. As the 84th FS Co i train my pilot's how to effectively kill panzers, M4s with our P47's 8x50 cal guns. Once our ordnance are expended we proceed to strafe down enemy tank's weak points with our guns and we have had success. I'll be glad to film a sortie which proves tanks can be destroyed by concentrated MG/Cannon fire.
You may be able to get a mobility kill by taking their tracks out but in this game that really doesn't count as a kill. They can still turn if they need to and shot back. Until I see them blow up or their turret fly into the air they are still alive. I highly doubt you can kill a tank with just guns only, and if you can things need to be recoded.
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Wirbels are a threat to me when I make rocket attacks, but with a 500kg bomb all you need is a 500kg bomb and they are no threat.
If a wirble is paying attention, the line-up to bomb (at least from attack aircraft) should make them very easy targets. However, carpet bombing GV's with formations of bombers is a different story.
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LoL, people get flamed for spelling mistakes but no one pounced on me for redundancy? I meant to say that if I have a 500kg bomb and altitude, a wirbelwind is an easy target.
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The thing the frustrates me when I'm in a GV battle or killing GVs in my IL-2 or B-25 are those in fighter aircraft strafing tanks with MG and small cannon fire. I just don't get it. They make one or two runs that do no damage just to take the kill away from the person who put the work in.
More so than the kill, they want to increase their attack %, because chicks DIG guys with high % :aok
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More so than the kill, they want to increase their attack %, because chicks DIG guys with high % :aok
You can do that by shooting buildings, but it's just more fun to shoot at someone. My attack hit % is around 50% because I shoot at a lot of air targets; 50% is low compared to others! :)
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uuummmmm whats a "Tank" and how do i fly it? :P
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The thing the frustrates me when I'm in a GV battle or killing GVs in my IL-2 or B-25 are those in fighter aircraft strafing tanks with MG and small cannon fire. I just don't get it. They make one or two runs that do no damage just to take the kill away from the person who put the work in.
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LoL, people get flamed for spelling mistakes but no one pounced on me for redundancy? I meant to say that if I have a 500kg bomb and altitude, a wirbelwind is an easy target.
Ah, yes that makes much more sense, I wasn't sure why you typed that twice, just figured you lost your train of thought mid post! :aok
In terms of high alt dive bombing, it's quite difficult to accurately hit a moving wirbel from an alt out-of-range of the wirbel's/ostie's guns. Most GV attacks from the air that I've witnessed have been very low alt.
I know this isn't much of an answer for a lot of people, but (like I said earlier) it really encourages cooperation between aircraft and GV's! The most effective base takes (and most fun!) I've ever seen have been when both aircraft and GV's go in to take a base. Aircraft protect the GV's, GV's can clear aircraft's 6's, aircraft can bomb/strafe GV's, GV's can shoot aircraft, aircraft can shoot aircraft, GV's can shoot GV's... etc etc...
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Soxfan, I've had visual confirmed tank kills with my P47 from guns only. If you give a panzer/M4 tank a concentrated 3-4 seconds of fire in it's weak points in about 3-4 passes you will destroy a enemy Panzer/M4 tank. I will gladly record later on today for visual proof.
I've did it several times as well sir, it's not impossible and i think only the P47 is allowed to do it since it have 8 .50 cals and that's over 50% extra ammunition than a P-51 Mustang