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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 02, 2008, 08:19:46 AM
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A few years ago here in Tennessee, we had some fools who got elected and decided we needed an income tax to go with the rest of our exorbitant taxes. A radio host convinced the citizens to load up in their cars, come to the capitol, and circle the buildings every time the income tax came up for a vote. It never passed, some of those fools got sent home, and they don't bring that crap up any more.
Maybe it is time for the "Million Taxpayer March". Maybe it should be done 3-4 times a year, to remind those idiots who works for whom.
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Like I said.....
If congress lets this pass, it's time for another "million man march". Only this time everybody has to bring a baseball bat.
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<grabs his #34 Louisville Slugger, slaps on a little rosin and pine tar, and re-tapes the handle>
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A few years ago here in Tennessee, we had some fools who got elected and decided we needed an income tax to go with the rest of our exorbitant taxes. A radio host convinced the citizens to load up in their cars, come to the capitol, and circle the buildings every time the income tax came up for a vote. It never passed, some of those fools got sent home, and they don't bring that crap up any more.
Maybe it is time for the "Million Taxpayer March". Maybe it should be done 3-4 times a year, to remind those idiots who works for whom.
OK but we get to bring rotten fruit, pitch forks, and scythes. My disgust meter for Congress is PEGGED!
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OK but we get to bring rotten fruit, pitch forks, and scythes. My disgust meter for Congress is PEGGED!
They broke mine and won't pay for it.
/grabs a torch and rake
Ok, I'm ready.
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Think who do you vote for:
(http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/2008-presidential-election/21040d1212792152-what-will-you-give-up-pay-national_debt.jpg)
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A few years ago here in Tennessee, we had some fools who got elected and decided we needed an income tax to go with the rest of our exorbitant taxes. A radio host convinced the citizens to load up in their cars, come to the capitol, and circle the buildings every time the income tax came up for a vote. It never passed, some of those fools got sent home, and they don't bring that crap up any more.
Maybe it is time for the "Million Taxpayer March". Maybe it should be done 3-4 times a year, to remind those idiots who works for whom.
soon, Cap'n. soon.
Colour Sergeant Bourne: It's a miracle.
Lieutenant John Chard: If it's a miracle, Colour Sergeant, it's a short chamber Boxer Henry point 45 caliber miracle.
Colour Sergeant Bourne: And a bayonet, sir, with some guts behind.
but, Cap'n; when I march on Washington to take it back from the fuzzies; it won't be with an 'effin baseball bat.
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Timofei,
Freedom wasn't and still isn't free, republicans cleaned up what the Dem's ignored in both terms.
I don't care what it cost to defend this country and am proud that a our leaders have the intestinal fortitude to defend it at all cost. Something the Dem care less about.
So what was your Rep bashing point again?
Keep smoking your wacky weed so you can continue to be disillusioned of what really is going on in the world today....
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republicans cleaned up what the Dem's ignored in both terms.
lie.
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Timofei,
Freedom wasn't and still isn't free..
I don't care what it cost to defend this country..our leaders have the intestinal fortitude to defend it at all cost.
Well, don't whine then, and pay your taxes. :D
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lie.
Really?
So what did Clinton do about World Trade Bombings, Terrorism, Embassy Bombings, during his tenure?
Edit,,
If you dont know I will gladley tell you, since I was there when it happened. Being in the Military and in the know has some benefits, {hint}the action that took place got a few lines in the back of a newspaper on what our then Glorious Bill did to retaliate and show those terrorist "not to mess with us".
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Well, don't whine then, and pay your taxes. :D
:huh
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Really?
So what did Clinton do about World Trade Bombings, Terrorism, Embassy Bombings, during his tenure?
Nothing effective, just like all the others.
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Really?
So what did Clinton do
Brought down the national debt. :aok
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You forgot this part of my quote "about World Trade Bombings, Terrorism, Embassy Bombings, during his tenure?"
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You forgot this part of my quote "about World Trade Bombings, Terrorism, Embassy Bombings, during his tenure?"
And he will continue to ignore anything that goes against his party! :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Brought down the national debt. :aok
Nothing would be acceptable, Ignored would be preferable.
This is what I would call "Bills Clintons-Purse Slapping" diplomacy, instead of closing his fist and Knocking them out.
"In August 1998, 13 TLAM-C Block 3 and 66 TLAM-D Block 3 were fired from U.S. ships and submarines against a factory target in Khartoum, Sudan, and at terrorist camps in Afghanistan. That December, 325 TLAM-C and TLAM-D missiles were fired at targets in Serbia and Kosovo.
In October 2001, some 50 to 70 missiles were launched against Afghanistan, and in March and April 2003 about 800 Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired by the U.S. against targets in Iraq.(1)"
How quickly some forget that this has been going on for some time, our current administration was not willing to simply over look it anymore, they pulled the gloves off and went to war.
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Nice chart, Timofei, but it could be more informative. For instance who was in control of The Congress over those time periods?
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March and April 2003 about 800 Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired by the U.S. against targets in Iraq.(1)"
How quickly some forget that this has been going on for some time, our current administration was not willing to simply over look it anymore, they pulled the gloves off and went to war.
They went to war with the wrong country, hence the reason to keep idiot morons out of the whitehouse. McCain, I do not believe to be an idiot, he just made an idiot decision in picking moron Palin for his VP choice. :aok
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In this day and age I think you would play hell getting a permit for such a protest march.
shamus
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They went to war with the wrong country, hence the reason to keep idiot morons out of the whitehouse. McCain, I do not believe to be an idiot, he just made an idiot decision in picking moron Palin for his VP choice. :aok
I don't think we went to war with the wrong country, terrorism was evident and prominent in Iraq as well as Afghanistan. We may not have found the Golden Egg as far as WMD goes though he was in the process of obtaining these materials to create the capacity to manufacture one.
Much has been forgotten about the human atrocities as well as using chemical weapons amongst people that stood up to him, and the atrocities that happened to Afghanistan people.
I added some facts for you below.
Has Iraq sponsored terrorism?
Yes. Saddam Hussein’s dictatorship provided headquarters, operating bases, training camps, and other support to terrorist groups fighting the governments of neighboring Turkey and Iran, as well as to hard-line Palestinian groups. During the 1991 Gulf War, Saddam commissioned several failed terrorist attacks on U.S. facilities. Prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the State Department listed Iraq as a state sponsor of terrorism. The question of Iraq’s link to terrorism grew more urgent with Saddam’s suspected determination to develop weapons of mass destruction (WMD), which Bush administration officials feared he might share with terrorists who could launch devastating attacks against the United States.
What evidence does the administration offer?
"Some Iraqi militants trained in Taliban-run Afghanistan helped Ansar al-Islam, an Islamist militia based in a lawless part of northeast Iraq. The camps of Ansar fighters, who clashed repeatedly with anti-Saddam Kurds, were bombed in the early days of Operation Iraqi Freedom. In February 2003, Secretary of State Colin Powell told the UN Security Council that Iraq was harboring a terrorist cell led by Abu Musab Zarqawi, a suspected al-Qaeda affiliate and chemical and biological weapons specialist. Powell said al-Zarqawi had both planned the October 2002 assassination of a U.S. diplomat in Jordan and set up a camp in Ansar al-Islam’s territory to train terrorists in the use of chemical weapons. Powell added that senior Iraqi and al-Qaeda leaders had met at least eight times since the early 1990s. "
What type of terrorist groups did Iraq support under Saddam Hussein’s regime?
Primarily groups that could hurt Saddam’s regional foes. Saddam has aided the Iranian dissident group Mujahedeen-e-Khalq and the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (known by its Turkish initials, PKK), a separatist group fighting the Turkish government. Moreover, Iraq has hosted several Palestinian splinter groups that oppose peace with Israel , including the mercenary Abu Nidal Organization, whose leader, Abu Nidal, was found dead in Baghdad in August 2002. Iraq has also supported the Islamist Hamas movement and reportedly channeled money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. A secular dictator, however, Saddam tended to support secular terrorist groups rather than Islamist ones such as al-Qaeda, experts say.
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I drank koolaid today
fixed....
BTW...is yours sugar free?
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Nice chart, Timofei, but it could be more informative. For instance who was in control of The Congress over those time periods?
First of all, I don't think under the Clinton years the debt went down, I believe it was the deficit(the amount we borrow)
And yeah, it was a republican congress who stood up to the pres and said "no, no more spending"
Then they get a member of their own party in and go on a spending spree, peaking in 2005 with over 13,000 earmarks
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Think who do you vote for:
(http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/2008-presidential-election/21040d1212792152-what-will-you-give-up-pay-national_debt.jpg)
One problem with your graph there Timofei:
Constitution of the United States of America:
Article I, Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
Presidents do not have constitutional power to spend, borrow, or tax.
It is CONGRESS that spends, borrows, and taxes.
Therfore it is on the shoulders of CONGRESS that the fault lies.
yet they will overwhelmingly be retained. Only 25 +/- of the 460 some odd up for election will lose their jobs.
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First of all, I don't think under the Clinton years the debt went down, I believe it was the deficit(the amount we borrow)
And yeah, it was a republican congress who stood up to the pres and said "no, no more spending"
Then they get a member of their own party in and go on a spending spree, peaking in 2005 with over 13,000 earmarks
I'm just sayin, get a crayon so that dems will be comfortable, and label that same chart "Rep Control Congress in '94" and look.
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A few years ago here in Tennessee, we had some fools who got elected and decided we needed an income tax to go with the rest of our exorbitant taxes. A radio host convinced the citizens to load up in their cars, come to the capitol, and circle the buildings every time the income tax came up for a vote. It never passed, some of those fools got sent home, and they don't bring that crap up any more.
Maybe it is time for the "Million Taxpayer March". Maybe it should be done 3-4 times a year, to remind those idiots who works for whom.
Virgil, I'm sorry to say, but as you can garner from the responses' in this thread...People would rather tow the party line than fix the country. There are Dem's and Repub's to blame, both sides of the isle. However, they tend to pick sides, and won't look at them introspectively.
I'm suprised 4 people in here agreed to the march idea...
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I don't think we went to war with the wrong country, terrorism was evident and prominent in Iraq as well as Afghanistan. We may not have found the Golden Egg as far as WMD goes though he was in the process of obtaining these materials to create the capacity to manufacture one.
Much has been forgotten about the human atrocities as well as using chemical weapons amongst people that stood up to him, and the atrocities that happened to Afghanistan people.
I added some facts for you below.
Has Iraq sponsored terrorism?
Yes. Saddam Hussein’s dictatorship provided headquarters, operating bases, training camps, and other support to terrorist groups fighting the governments of neighboring Turkey and Iran, as well as to hard-line Palestinian groups. During the 1991 Gulf War, Saddam commissioned several failed terrorist attacks on U.S. facilities. Prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the State Department listed Iraq as a state sponsor of terrorism. The question of Iraq’s link to terrorism grew more urgent with Saddam’s suspected determination to develop weapons of mass destruction (WMD), which Bush administration officials feared he might share with terrorists who could launch devastating attacks against the United States.
What evidence does the administration offer?
"Some Iraqi militants trained in Taliban-run Afghanistan helped Ansar al-Islam, an Islamist militia based in a lawless part of northeast Iraq. The camps of Ansar fighters, who clashed repeatedly with anti-Saddam Kurds, were bombed in the early days of Operation Iraqi Freedom. In February 2003, Secretary of State Colin Powell told the UN Security Council that Iraq was harboring a terrorist cell led by Abu Musab Zarqawi, a suspected al-Qaeda affiliate and chemical and biological weapons specialist. Powell said al-Zarqawi had both planned the October 2002 assassination of a U.S. diplomat in Jordan and set up a camp in Ansar al-Islam’s territory to train terrorists in the use of chemical weapons. Powell added that senior Iraqi and al-Qaeda leaders had met at least eight times since the early 1990s. "
What type of terrorist groups did Iraq support under Saddam Hussein’s regime?
Primarily groups that could hurt Saddam’s regional foes. Saddam has aided the Iranian dissident group Mujahedeen-e-Khalq and the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (known by its Turkish initials, PKK), a separatist group fighting the Turkish government. Moreover, Iraq has hosted several Palestinian splinter groups that oppose peace with Israel , including the mercenary Abu Nidal Organization, whose leader, Abu Nidal, was found dead in Baghdad in August 2002. Iraq has also supported the Islamist Hamas movement and reportedly channeled money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. A secular dictator, however, Saddam tended to support secular terrorist groups rather than Islamist ones such as al-Qaeda, experts say.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, Bush and cheney were wrong.
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I'm wrong, wrong, wrong, oh I'm so wrong.
Fixed! :aok
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can I have a kiss, SkyRock?
nope
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For the love of God, sombody help me!
Fixed! :aok
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I used to think I was gay for SkyRock, now I know.
Not interested.
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I'm interested in you, wanna play?
Fixed, you sicko! :aok
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Nice chart, Timofei, but it could be more informative. For instance who was in control of The Congress over those time periods?
Good catch. (and you too, Holden) This chart seems to show that they are spending more and more regardless of which party has the majority:
Total Federal Spending, in Billions,1965–2008
(http://www.heritage.org/Research/features/budgetchartbook/images/fed-rev-spend-2008-boc-S1-Federal-Spending-Has-Increased.gif)
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Good catch. (and you too, Holden) This chart seems to show that they are spending more and more regardless of which party has the majority:
Total Federal Spending, in Billions,1965–2008
(http://www.heritage.org/Research/features/budgetchartbook/images/fed-rev-spend-2008-boc-S1-Federal-Spending-Has-Increased.gif)
That's why we need wholesale replacement of congress, regardless of political party. Get some new ones in there that will promise a constitutional amendment that mandates congressional term limits.
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SkRock BC didnt balance the budget by the classical definition of the word. What he did was 'balance' the budget by stealing from social security and moving it to other columns of the 'balance sheet.' When Bush took over Clinton said there was a 'surplus' but in fact there was a deficit just like there is now only today its worse. It will always be worse unless we tar and feather our representatives or they run for France. There are no Conservatives in Government anymore they are all tax and spend morons.
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I don't care what it cost to defend this country and am proud that a our leaders have the intestinal fortitude to defend it at all cost. Something the Dem care less about.
What if what it costs you is Victory?
I believe that OBL and crew has been fighting this war right from the beginning with a strategy designed to specifically target where the United States is most weak. That is fiscally. We are a nation swimming in debt with mountains more looming on the horizon. We are also a nation with the most powerful military the planet has ever seen. If YOU were committed to defeating such an opponent, where would you focus your efforts? Clearly a battlefield won victory is not going to happen. But how about defeating your enemy be bankrupting him?
OBL I believe learned how to best defeat a superpower from Reagan. Force your fiscally weak enemy to spend himself into oblivion. Al-Q has been even more effective at deploying such a strategy though it did take 13 years of trying, culminating in the 9/11 attack before the US sat up and began playing his game. But since then we have been playing along exactly as OBL would wish. Think about it. If YOU were OBL and you wanted to end the ability of the United States of America to project power into the middle east how would you tackle the problem? Would you think you could defeat the US on the battlefield? Or would you determine that the US weakness was in the fiscal systems debt levels and devise a strategy aimed at exploiting this?
The winning Al-Q strategy is very simple: trade each brainwashed 18 year old middle eastern kid with an AK-47 and IED's life for $10 million in US defense spending. Given that they have an unlimited supply of brainwashed youth to throw away and they have absolutely no qualms about seeing any number of them sacrificed this is a winning strategy that relies simply on patience more than anything else.
Now, I fear their strategy has yielded the victory they desire. IF this fiscal system debacle that we seeing play out now continues down the path of collapse as I fear it will the War on Terror will be over as the US will not be able to fund the overseas operations. I believe OBL may have won.
Fang
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If I was a terrorist working for a terrorist government and I wanted to destroy the American way of life, I wouldn’t use bombs and bullets to kill folks. Jezzus Freakin grapefruit, that’s too damn dangerous, I could get caught or killed (or both). American Citizens are armed, alert… and angry.
So, no; hell no. Going toe to toe with the infidels will never work. The really good terroristia governments get real results and lay the blame where it can’t be found. Remember.. the Islamic terrorist manifesto is to destroy ‘western civilization’. Chucking airliners into skyscrapers live on CNN is a good attention getter; but modern terrorism isn’t just about dropping a few buildings and killing a few thousand Americans. Hell; there’s more’n 300 million of ‘em. (and more coming over their southern border every day)
So; here’s what I’d do if I was a terrorist government bent on destroying America.
Since American Presidents, Congressmen and Senators represent NOT the citizens that voted for them but rather the corporate entities and lobbyists that paid for their elections… I’d have my terrorist sponsors get control of the funds that feed the lobbyists. A few calls to a half a dozen or so interested (and wholly owned) Oil cartels should do the trick… every November we’ll own even more American Lawmakers.
Next, to get things rolling I’d give my puppet congressmen & women their marching orders and get legislation passed that makes it possible for foreign companies to get their products to America without them having to pay the same duties that American companies would have to pay to export their products over there. We’ll call it ‘Free Trade’.
Then, I’d make it legal for foreign government owned and subsidized businesses to compete with American companies for Defense Department contracts. This way, we can get a look at the plans for free before they even get their new radar or satellites into production…. And when they do go into production we can make sure they work like crap.
Of course, this kind of legislation quickly clears the way for the legal buy out by foreign investors of the majority of the now weakened American factories; plus we’d gain control of their manufacturing patents and machinery. You know; move the factories and the payrolls to foreign countries so there are no more good paying American factory jobs.
Then I’d sell the resulting massive foreign trade debt back to international banking cartels and finance firms owned outright by governments hostile to American interests. Anybody got China’s phone number handy?? I wonder if those gangster Russian Politicians would be interested in a little piece of the American Pie… oh, and fer cripes sakes, lets throw the Eurotards a bone too.. we’ll give ‘em those defense contracts on the new American Air Force Tanker…
This of course de-values the dollar so the price of EVERYTHING would go up even more. See?? Once we own their economy, their Tax base for the next 3 generations AND their lawmakers, we can get down to the real nitty gritty. Remember… the Mission is ‘Destroy the American Way of Life’….
Next, I’d make quality education un-affordable and public education laughable… because terrorists don’t like having educated folks around; it’s bad fer recruitment. Let’s give it a fancy stirring fanfare introduction and call it ‘No Child Left Behind’.
I’d make healthcare difficult to get, expensive as all hell and I’d make it easy for the insurance companies to deny claims and refuse treatment; let ‘em get away with outright murder… killing millions more Americans every year; but not before the foreign owned pharmaceutical and healthcare cartels soak them first for everything they own to pay for the prognosis and the meds.
And, since quality terrorism is kinda pricey I’d make it easy for my greedy wall street and corporate sponsors to make a fat profit on energy and food price speculation; doubling the cost of corn, rice, milk, meat and gas just to be sure we’re squeezing folks for every spare dime they can muster just to get to work … so they can get screwed for what’s left at the end of the week by the usurious payday loan sharks. Lets ‘de-Regulate’ Banking.
I’d make sure the borders stayed open and make it easy for illegal immigrants to compete with desperate Americans looking for a second job…. even the lowest paying hot dog jobs. Call it ‘Immigration Reform’.
Then, I’d enact legislation to intercept their phone calls, watch their bank accounts, monitor their emails and register their guns, then use THAT information to REALLY stick it to them.. We’ll call it ‘The Patriot Act’.
Of course, since the real target is the American Dream… the American Way Of Life; I’d then administer the coup’ de gras & change the ‘standard of living’ to a whole new level… they’ll call it ‘The New Standard of Desperation’… I’d run the credit card and payday loan interest rates up to triple digits, cripple the American Mortgage Banks by cutting off their access to re-insurance and then clear the way for foreign owned banks to foreclose on millions of American homes. Kick middle-class America right to the curb.
Lastly; after getting all that done, I’d give myself, my cartel & corporate sponsors and my lackey congressional millionaires the summer off, hand ‘em all a big ‘ol fat tax cut, make it permanent & sit back in the lap of luxury and entertain myself by watching the workin’ folks fight over the crumbs.
I wonder if the ‘Mission Accomplished’ banner that was so proudly displayed on the USS Lincoln 5 years ago is still available. It’ll make a nice backdrop for the keynote speaker at the Islamic Jihad International Convention in Pakistan next year.
But, you know what?? We live in the United States of America. Thank the Lord; Jeezus. And, the people that we've been electing for the last 4 decades to represent us and protect us would never EVER let anybody get away with that,, would they?
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What if what it costs you is Victory?
I believe that OBL and crew has been fighting this war right from the beginning with a strategy designed to specifically target where the United States is most weak. That is fiscally. We are a nation swimming in debt with mountains more looming on the horizon. We are also a nation with the most powerful military the planet has ever seen. If YOU were committed to defeating such an opponent, where would you focus your efforts? Clearly a battlefield won victory is not going to happen. But how about defeating your enemy be bankrupting him?
OBL I believe learned how to best defeat a superpower from Reagan. Force your fiscally weak enemy to spend himself into oblivion. Al-Q has been even more effective at deploying such a strategy though it did take 13 years of trying, culminating in the 9/11 attack before the US sat up and began playing his game. But since then we have been playing along exactly as OBL would wish. Think about it. If YOU were OBL and you wanted to end the ability of the United States of America to project power into the middle east how would you tackle the problem? Would you think you could defeat the US on the battlefield? Or would you determine that the US weakness was in the fiscal systems debt levels and devise a strategy aimed at exploiting this?
The winning Al-Q strategy is very simple: trade each brainwashed 18 year old middle eastern kid with an AK-47 and IED's life for $10 million in US defense spending. Given that they have an unlimited supply of brainwashed youth to throw away and they have absolutely no qualms about seeing any number of them sacrificed this is a winning strategy that relies simply on patience more than anything else.
Now, I fear their strategy has yielded the victory they desire. IF this fiscal system debacle that we seeing play out now continues down the path of collapse as I fear it will the War on Terror will be over as the US will not be able to fund the overseas operations. I believe OBL may have won.
Fang
well... someone gets it...
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Timofei, when you look at those debt figures, you need to realize this: When Reagan first took office, the WW2 generation was just beginning to retire and we were, for the first time ever beginning to see the bills that FDR socialism left us. In the Decades that have followed, they have been aging and we are now paying the bills that people in the 30's were trying to warn us would cripple our nation one day. I am not blaming these old folks for the problem, I AM blaming socialism. The scary thing is that now, it is almost time for baby boomers to start to retire... when that happens, the bottom will fall out.
FDR used trying economic times to give socialism a populist push to keep himself in power. This debt will only increase unless something drastic is done to reign in entitlements. They are the reason for this massive debt. Nobody had to take blame for it because they did not begin to get cashed in en masse until the 80's. If every person had put their money into just simple low interest bonds instead of sending it in to the Socialist Security Administration, they would be very well off by the time they retired. Had they wisely invested the same cash in the stock markets, they may have amassed a fortune.
The problem is too much government. If you think the debt is bad now, wait until we have a new tax increase which will slow investment and ultimately, our economy. I know I wish I had more of my own money to save, that is for sure!