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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Grayeagle on October 07, 2008, 02:12:40 PM
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Was almost a cliche race ..all the Talledega 'things' happened :)
The Big One .. twice .. tore the crap outta a lot of cars, no one hurt
(WTG NASCAR)
One driver was shaken up pretty good taking a hard turn into the wall
(he hit harder than Dale Sr. did at roughly the same angle .. no injuries but I bet he's gonna be sore awhile :)
Tony Stewart survived, wrecks and a last lap illegal pass by another driver
(the dood ignored the yellow line and pressed on ..his mistake..
..he shoulda gone outside, was the only legal move he had
as Tony was all over the the bottom groove protectin like crazy)
Even with the plates an all.. 197 at turn entry and 195 in the turns.
Comin up on havin to slow em down again looks like. (my opinion)
Seems like the tires are a problem ..they are throwing the entire tread off in one peice when they explode.
Very bad news ..the car goes ballistic and that chunk o tire is dangerous.
Was the direct cause of majority of wrecks.
Just all around sucked for a lotta drivers/teams.
All in all ..the Car of Tomorrow has been vindicated ..it is safer and the car is less of an equation in who wins ..
..the teams can't tweak it enough to get a major advantage, so it's strategy and driver skill..
..or lack of same ..that determines who wins.
Last big wreck was directly result of someone 'bump drafting' at the apex of a corner, and spinning Biffle out ..sheesh.
NASCAR told the drivers no bump drafting in the corners ..but ..some people's kids.
-rolls eyes-
-GE aka Frank
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So how did Ricky Bobby do?
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Do they always turn right, or is left?
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Was in Talledega in 98 was a blast :aok :rock
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Gray, this race probably saved me as a NASCAR fan. I'm no fan of the COT but there was some really good racing in this one. I may commit to watching NASCAR like I used to: every weekend.
I'm still trying to figure out what Toyota thinks it's gained since becoming a member of the NASCAR series.
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Been once and I live 45 miles from the track...I doubt I ever go again unless it is to let me drive on the track.
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All in all ..the Car of Tomorrow has been vindicated ..it is safer and the car is less of an equation in who wins ..
..the teams can't tweak it enough to get a major advantage, so it's strategy and driver skill..
..or lack of same ..that determines who wins.
:furious The death of real racing.
Why even bother with brands at this point? They're all the same.
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Tony Stewart survived, wrecks and a last lap illegal pass by another driver
(the dood ignored the yellow line and pressed on ..his mistake..
..he shoulda gone outside, was the only legal move he had
as Tony was all over the the bottom groove protectin like crazy)
Should have put the bumper to Porkchop when he forcing him below the yellow. You can bet that is what Regan Smith will do the next time.
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:furious The death of real racing.
Why even bother with brands at this point? They're all the same.
I always thought the point of racing was machine and man, not just man. If everyone is driving the same thing, is it really racing or who can draft the best?
/flame suit ON
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Very enjoyable race I thought as well. (big nascar fan)....COT was something I was hating to see come in. But , in this race AND a few others it has proven to be good for the racing aspect. Drivers are more able to move the car around and make moves they couldn't in the old cars.
Talladega was the usual wreck fest at a couple of points...but the racing all in all was very close...very competetive and thats waht NASCAR wants.
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I thought it was a good race, much like the other 3 in the race to the chase. I'm very much glad that Tony Stewart got his first win on a track that he finish second, six times too, also on his last season before he moves onto Haas/Stewart racing.
The big one, twice, was a big factor in this race. It was what they were calling it "The Wild Card race" just because of that big one. The second one was a lot worse than the first one, because it took most of the chasers out. I think it was: Edwards, Jr., Biffle, Kenseth, and I think maybe Burton all involved in that second crash. Jimme Johnson did a heck of a job (even though I'm not a huge fan) trying to avoid all of those crashes, and losing a lap in the first 25 laps of the race. Denny Hamlin, hit the wall doing 190 and was sent to the local hospital, but he turned out OK. Jeff Gordan had a problem, but really don't remember what happend to him.
There was a lot of blown tires for no reason at all. The tire would just blow up, would not even give you a warning the driver that it was about to blow. I believe that it was due to how hot the Tire and the track got, and the rubber could not stand those types of temps. Also, it had to do with the wear of the tire and again, the heat of the track and tires. It caused one of those big ones, when one of the Red Bull teams tire blew up and hit another car, and caused a chain reaction. It also made Denny Hamlin hit the wall, and sent him to the hospital.
Now to the big controversy on the last lap pass. I think that it was the right call, you go 187 laps were you can't go below the yellow line and on the last lap its all out? What I didn't like was that he was placed 18th place because of going below the yellow line. Although he went below the yellow line to better his position, he should have stayed second place were he should have finished. I think that he should have went to the outside to fake Tony, and give his teammate, Paul Menard, to try and pass him, just before the start/finish line.
Now on to the points, Jimme Johnson played the conservative route after he saw that most of the chasers, were wrecked in that big one. bellybutton of right now Jimme is in the lead with a 72 point game, which for what it has been, a pretty big gap between first and second. If Jimme can have his good runs that he always does, then I guarantee another championship for Jimme Johnson again. After Jimme its Carl Edwards, now he has a bit of a climb to get back up to Jimme, doesn't mean that he can't make that climb to the top again. Biffle, who is in third, find it hard for him to win as of now, because of his points at the start of the chase, put him like 70 points back. He may have won two races in the chase already, but I think he may have to do more than 5, which is half of the chase, just to win the race. These guys on top are just to consistent for him to come in third every race. They either come in first or second, every race if the chase, except for this wild card race here at Talked.
From here, we move onto Lowe's Motor Speedway, a great race between the top three guys. Jimme Johnson, has won there four times in a row. Carl Edwards has won there once and Greg Biffle has always been strong there since he started. You can never forget Tony Stewart, hes been always strong there, hes won one race there, and has the momentum going into this race. As of now, I'm going to call that Jimme Johnson to dominate this race and increase his lead that he already has.
That pretty much sums up an in-depth report on whats happening on Nascar.
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Been once and I live 45 miles from the track...I doubt I ever go again unless it is to let me drive on the track.
Been once to Texas Speedway, If I had a chance I would go again and again and again, it's brighter, louder, funner at the track than watchin it on TV.
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Bosco, the tires blew because they were inflated over the recommended top pressure.
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I always thought the point of racing was machine and man, not just man. If everyone is driving the same thing, is it really racing or who can draft the best?
/flame suit ON
I'm with Fulmar :D
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I always thought the point of racing was machine and man, not just man. If everyone is driving the same thing, is it really racing or who can draft the best?
/flame suit ON
On superspeedways drafting is a HUGE part of it....So in a way I sort of agree....BUT...
If the cars are really close then driver is where it comes to play. Better drivers make moves and are able to do things others can't. Where as the old way....drivers with fast cars who couldn't do much else...would ride around drafting and that's it.
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:furious The death of real racing.
Why even bother with brands at this point? They're all the same.
that, and constant rule changing to cater to whomever cired the loudest is why i stopped watching a long while ago.
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I wish they would quit trying to restrict the engine power just because one or more other car components come unstuck, or because the drivers don't have the common sense to slow down enough to not wreck or melt the tires. Other racing sports have vehicles that can exceed various capabilities, and they rely on the drivers to slow down a bit. It actually makes winning a measure of driving skill more than luck with tire pressures or chassis adjustment, if the car is capable of going fast enough to destroy itself, and it's up to the driver to keep from wrecking or destroying itself before the finish.
The ONLY time I've heard where the top-tier of a racing league NEEDED to reduce track speeds, was when Indy visited Texas Motor Speedway. They got going so fast at that track that several drivers experienced seizures from the physical stresses on their bodies. I don't know if they ever pinned it on any one thing, but the last I heard they suspected a combination of harmonics from the track surface, G-forces in turns, and a strobe-like effect from the bleachers, fence, and light poles. In any case, after a half dozen drivers had minor seizures during practice, they had to make some changes to slow everything down. That's the one time I've heard where there was a legitimate need to restrict track speeds. Melting the tires or overheating the brakes (or simply entering a corner too fast to make the turn) are marks of rookie drivers, and restricting engine power makes driver skill less of a factor than car setup, pit crew speed, and dumb luck.
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I kinda quit watching when Toyota was allowed to run a cup car.
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the rookie should have won, stewart forced him down.
NOT
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I kinda quit watching when Toyota was allowed to run a cup car.
Why? Ford and Chevy are now made in Canada and Mexico. The Toyotas are made in the US.
Anywho...COT killed NASCAR.Plate racing for certain.Now its just a huge mess where the record for lap leaders will fall yet again every race.I havent watched much NASCAR outside of Bristol daytona and talladega for several years.
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If you dont get it just pick the 1 with pretty colors. :P
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Been once to Texas Speedway, If I had a chance I would go again and again and again, it's brighter, louder, funner at the track than watchin it on TV.
I don't really watch it on TV either. Not a big race fan since Neil Bonnett and Davey Allison died. I grew up watching the old "Alabama Gang" on Sunday's with my granddad and he only liked it since he knew several guys who raced from way back in the beginning. Now that no one he knows is in it he doesn't watch a race at all and I guess it sort of rubbed off on me after those two guys died.
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Opinions vary.
Big Dog Formula 1 racing drivers with all the lightning reflexes 733T racing skeelz have come to race 'taxi-cabs' ,,I'm sure they thought they would blow by all the rednecks and show em how it's done.
Oops.
Guess not.
Seems there is some skill involved.
And the rednecks are showin 'em how it's done.
As for that last lap pass .. even Jeff Gordon said he'd have sent Tony into the grass :)
The new guy learned tho.. I bet next time he doesn't go below the line :)
-GE aka Frank
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Been once to Texas Speedway, If I had a chance I would go again and again and again, it's brighter, louder, funner at the track than watchin it on TV.
I just bought TMS Season Tickets for next year. The racing is just a small part of race weekend. :rock
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Opinions vary.
Big Dog Formula 1 racing drivers with all the lightning reflexes 733T racing skeelz have come to race 'taxi-cabs' ,,I'm sure they thought they would blow by all the rednecks and show em how it's done.
Oops.
Guess not.
Seems there is some skill involved.
And the rednecks are showin 'em how it's done.
As for that last lap pass .. even Jeff Gordon said he'd have sent Tony into the grass :)
The new guy learned tho.. I bet next time he doesn't go below the line :)
-GE aka Frank
Your talking about guys who couldn't cut it in F1 like Montoya, and Scott Speed?
Anyhow NASCAR is just like F1, its all about race management and aero
Tronsky
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You must be talkin about a different guy..
..Juan Pablo Montoya did better than most in F1.
Active years 2001 - 2006
Teams Williams F1, McLaren
Races 95 (94 starts)
Championships 0
Wins 7
Podium finishes 30
Career points 307
Pole positions 13
Fastest laps 12
First race 2001 Australian Grand Prix
First win 2001 Italian Grand Prix
Last win 2005 Brazilian Grand Prix
Last race 2006 United States Grand Prix
I'd say he knew his way around a race car.
I'd also bet he may have thought NASCAR would be easier.
LOL.
-GE (just for the record, he said he came to NASCAR because he loved to race, and NASCAR gives him a LOT more track time)
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This is one of the reasons I still watch nascar--
http://www.blinkx.com/video/2008-nascar-nationwide-series-talladega-big-one/GvUqTcspyGKZt1HaP56n5Q (http://www.blinkx.com/video/2008-nascar-nationwide-series-talladega-big-one/GvUqTcspyGKZt1HaP56n5Q)
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Quick question for you NASCAR fans... is there any way I can get the races live in Europe (Talking web cast / IP TV etc...) as none of the local providers here carry the races.....
Cheers
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I think they have something on the NASCAR website that allows you to watch the races online.
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Quick question for you NASCAR fans... is there any way I can get the races live in Europe (Talking web cast / IP TV etc...) as none of the local providers here carry the races.....
Cheers
not sure were you could get the feed from but you can here it and watch all the telemetry at nascar.com just get trackpass, i also bet somewere online somebody sends the tv feed out!
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I used to love rooting for the Ford drivers, back when they ran the T-birds' and when the car and the engineering in it were as much a factor as the driver. Hell, the driver's were just as much, if not more of a factor then, because they had to make up for any deficiencies, or were able to utilize any advantages of their particular make. Now, it's like they are attempting to turn NASCAR into some kind of European or Japanese-style spec racing league. And it blows. It really killed the old 'Race on Sunday, sell on Monday' perspective for the manufacturers. Hell, I hope the big 3 drop their support for NASCAR. They got the Frances' to where they are now. Let the ungrateful SOB's in the head office figure out what to do then. :mad:
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Dodge is pulling factory support for the Craftsman Series. Only a matter of time before they do the same for Nationwide & Sprint. When Dodge drops, look for another foreign manufacturer to get in. I'd bet Honda.
I'm like you. I miss the old "stock" car days. But, would it be interesting or safe today?
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Well .. as has been said ..'there aint nothin stock about a stock car'
..still ..it would be cool if they made 'em from actual templates of the real cars.
Have the manufacturers do the 500 production runs of the 'Daytona' an such just to eke out a bit of an advantage for a year or so, like the old days.
That would get the makers back into it IMHO.
-GE aka Frank (they got the cage tech up to snuff now, they'd be safer than the old days for sure :)
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I always thought the point of racing was machine and man, not just man. If everyone is driving the same thing, is it really racing or who can draft the best?
/flame suit ON
Exactly Fulmar. That's why they started the IROC series.
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Exactly Fulmar. That's why they started the IROC series.
And who has won the most championships in this series. :noid
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And who has won the most championships in this series. :noid
Mark Martin with 5 Championships
Also, on Nascar.com there is info on an IROC liquidation sale. Everything must go. They're all done. :cry
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Well .. as has been said ..'there aint nothin stock about a stock car'
..still ..it would be cool if they made 'em from actual templates of the real cars.
Have the manufacturers do the 500 production runs of the 'Daytona' an such just to eke out a bit of an advantage for a year or so, like the old days.
That would get the makers back into it IMHO.
-GE aka Frank (they got the cage tech up to snuff now, they'd be safer than the old days for sure :)
I remember that. It used to be another part of the racing game I enjoyed, because those cars actually looked like stock cars, minus the stickers and funky paint jobs. A 1992 Ford T-bird had to be the same size and shape as the one in the showroom, and the same applied to the Monte's and Lumina's. Today? Blah, and blah again. They've made it so the manufacturers' don't have to worry about designing decent car aerodynamics themselves, The league more or less runs one template for every car now. A 2007 Charger cup car looks' nothing like my charger parked out in the driveway, Neither the front end shape, roofline, nothing. Fictional Jap-anime cars, all they are.
As far as the safety goes though, GE, I believe that they've been fairly safe for quite some time. In the '80's it wasn't uncommon to see 190-200 mph. crashes in which the driver got out and waved to the crowd. Bobby Allison's big crash, the one where he tore out 200 feet of the fence between the spectators' and the track, did leave him with a couple of broken bones, but that was one of the worst wrecks ever. It didn't kill him, though. Dale Earnhardt Sr's. fatal crash wasn't that hard at all. I've heard that there were several other causes of his death in that, but that the car should have kept him alive. I don't believe the older cars were any less safe than this COT abomination, in any event.
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When I talked safety I was talking about running a "stock" 2008 car. Get one of those up to 200 and blow a tire.
No thanks!
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When I talked safety I was talking about running a "stock" 2008 car. Get one of those up to 200 and blow a tire.
No thanks!
Whoa, you're talking about the '50's and '60's there, RPM. Those cars actually came off the assembly line before they got a rollbar and a tuning job. Back when they ran on the sand at Daytona beach...
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IRL is even worse than NASCAR. It's problems with moving the goal posts started far earlier.
Can't hang with a turbine car? Restrict turbine size.
Still can't beat the turbine? Ban them completely.
Didn't think to try a side-by-side arrangement for better handling AND safety? Gotta ban that.
Weren't smart enough to install suction fans to corner harder? Ban those too.
I wish real racing hadn't died before I was old enough to enjoy it :(
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Dale Sr's crash was fatal due to head restraint.. he dint have enough and it snapped his neck.
As far as I know.
(saw the in car video)
Would be a blast to see a 'Nascar Challenger' limited production edition, along with Ford an Chebbie's nascar runners :)
(altho since based on sedans..would prolly be the Magnum an such)
-GE
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He refused to use the available head restraints. They were pretty ungainly at the time, and he wasn't the only driver to die this way, just the most famous. There were 2 others that died in very similar circumstances. It wasn't until somebody famous died that the neck restraints became mandatory items. Since then, much more ergonomic versions have come out.
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Didn't R Petty's grandson and another up and coming driver die of similar injuries after Dale Sr?
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Didn't R Petty's grandson and another up and coming driver die of similar injuries after Dale Sr?
Yes it was the same year not long after Dale. It happened at either Dover or New Hampshire in a practice session.
Grayeagle where did you see that video?
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Yes it was the same year not long after Dale. It happened at either Dover or New Hampshire in a practice session.
Grayeagle where did you see that video?
That was New Hampshire.Throttle stuck in a pratice and he plowed the wall.
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Well .. as has been said ..'there aint nothin stock about a stock car'
..still ..it would be cool if they made 'em from actual templates of the real cars.
Have the manufacturers do the 500 production runs of the 'Daytona' an such just to eke out a bit of an advantage for a year or so, like the old days.
That would get the makers back into it IMHO.
-GE aka Frank (they got the cage tech up to snuff now, they'd be safer than the old days for sure :)
those are good ideas.........definitly.
orrrrr......how 'bout we put the "stock" back in stock car racing? like it used to be in the 50's? safety mods, and minor performance mods?
only problem would be reliability i think. would be interesting though. would give some little guys a chance too.
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That's why I like watching SCCA. :aok
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I want to see an unlimited series where the cars are so fast they'd kill any human passengers, and you cheer on your favorite engineering team. Of course you'd have to limit length & width, or somebody would make an unpassable car... but so many possibilities. You could even do inverted track and make them run on the roof for portions. F-1 cars already have enough down force for that.