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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: A8TOOL on October 08, 2008, 04:13:33 AM
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When I first started on AW score did not matter. In fact it did not matter all the way into 2002 when I left AH 1. Then I came back in late May of 2007 and joined the Aces in June where I thought it would take a while to get some of my old skills back, but it really didn't take long at all :o. I began looking at score and wondered how in the world could I possibly rank higher than some of the better players in the game. I took the next month and analyzed score and saw what I had been doing right without even trying. Some categories were lower than others so the next month I tried improving on them and reached the teens with a little extra forethought, then I kinda lost interest.
Anyone can rank in the 1000's but to rank in the 500's you need to be taking bases. Ranking in the 200's takes a few more skills and the proper plane allocation but to get in the teens you really have to put some time in and watch everything you do.....or take the thumbs down, second acct. bogus short cut :furious
Trying for this (the teens) takes the fun out of the game if you wanted to keep it up month after month and i definitely would not recommend that if you want to keep things fun. It will become more like work and why would you want to come here and work for nothing.
By my forth month I had all the tricks in play and tried to apply them to a squad. I kept some notes and passed them on but in the end it made some people very miserable. Score has it's dangers and like the game itself, can also become addicting... so beware. If done right it can be very satisfying and takes very little fun from the game if any at all.
Now I am beginning to have a different view. I'm tired of base taking and have found it's much more fun to break hordes up that are trying to take the bases. I don't want to think about score anymore and just want to get some good kills, but score is inevitable and my base taking interest may never completely fade.
For some score is kind of a mystery. Although in a ways I am through with score, if any of you want I can tell you how. Use it for yourself or for your squad or just pretend it does not exist and keep yourself happier. Additional online crack will be supplied by PM only :rofl
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I agree with you Tool, defending a base is much more satisfying than taking. It's one thing the LynchMob loves to do. It's such a good feeling to bust up NOEs :aok
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:aok rank is for the unemployed.
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Overall rank is merely the act of performing a tedious and annoying laundry list of chores. Just do what you find fun and personally satisfying, if that happens to improve rank as an incidental side-effect, so be it. If it does not, oh well. Pursuing rank if you do not enjoy the constituent activities required is a sure-fire recipe for burnout and incessant whining, pissing and moaning.
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"Anyone can rank in the 1000's but to rank in the 500's you need to be taking bases..."
I disagree.
"Ranking in the 200's takes a few more skills and the proper plane allocation..."
I disagree.
Please expand.
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"Anyone can rank in the 1000's but to rank in the 500's you need to be taking bases..."
I disagree.
"Ranking in the 200's takes a few more skills and the proper plane allocation..."
I disagree.
Please expand.
I'm curious. Why do you disagree? Tool made some good sense in his viewpoint. I would like to hear what you think.
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I maybe have 1 capture a month and still manage to get pretty low. You can get low with just killing and blowing stuff up, most likely not on the front page but pretty low.
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I'm curious. Why do you disagree? Tool made some good sense in his viewpoint. I would like to hear what you think.
Take my current (105) tour's score (shane08)... I haven't done any base-taking (with troops). I fly med bombers and just DB them (can't be bothered to re-learn the bombsite). I up and die repeatedly in GV's (i suck).
I do try and get at least something in each of the 4 main categories. I'm not playing for rank per se. I do all kinds fo stuff from base defese, interdiction and jabo as well as non-plane stuff to a lesser extent.
Last tour's (104) is comparable and 718 overall.
By base-taking, I'm guess he means be involved attacking bases as opposed to simple milkrunning (his thumb's down). Of course actually doing the goon/m3 troop capture sure does bump your rank, as does hitting something with a PT's rockets.
So it's fairly easy to get inside the 1,000 mark as long as you do at least 1 thing good out of the 4.
Getting inside the top 500 or 100 is just doing more of the same, getting down to top 10 requires actively manipulating your sorties to achieve the desired stats. This doesn't mean it has to be done "lamely" but I think we can agree the majority of top 10ers can be accused of doing this in a sense.
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:aok rank is for the unemployed.
haha that for some reason was funny to me :aok
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i just like the ensueing fights that can be found within 15-20 miles or closer of a base that's being attacked. doesn't matter if i'm defending or taking......as long as there's a fight going on.
was a fun one in mw between a30 and a27 last night.
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I'm tired of base taking and have found it's much more fun to break hordes up that are trying to take the bases. I don't want to think about score anymore and just want to get some good kills, but score is inevitable and my base taking interest may never completely fade.
What? How can you be tired of base taking? That system of game play has only been in place for a little more than a decade! ;)
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I rarely capture. I prefer to furball or a great 1 vs 1 or 2 or 3.
I bomb very little.
I attack when being hit by GVs and planes.
I GV terribly.
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You have to have a pretty even mix of activities to keep a decent ranking although, as noted, just because someone has a high ranking doesn't mean he's all that much better than you.
Same goes the other way around. I remember being shocked a few years ago when Greebo seemed to be cleaning my clock fairly regularly in his F6. I went to check his stats and saw he was rated something like 5000(???). Looking closer I could see he was always flying in Attack mode so he scores didn't average out right.
So, you need to do a good mix of things to get a decent score. That can be problematic when you don't like to do things like bomber runs. Takes too much effort for me, those b24 runs, but I'll do them on occasion if only to get a bump in my score.
That said, I don't really care too much about my rankings anymore. I pay more attention to my stats, like kills per hour, hit percentage and such. Still, if I feel I've been doing pretty good and I see my ranking is like 3 or 4 hundred, I might just take the time to do a bomb run. Since I don't bomb often, if at all, I've found just one bomb run can raise my ranking from 500 down to 300, at least for a day or so.
But, like I've said, I've paid less and less attention to my rankings and pretty much try to play the game as I want to now. I've even gotten to the point where I'll regularly bail out of a plane if there's no action where I'm at and I don't have the patience to land. Never used to do that much before because I didn't want to screw up my score (although I'm not sure just how that affects score: bailing, I mean).
So, if any of you see me dump a plane for no apparent reason, it's usually because I'm too impatient to hassle with landing.
Oh, and for what it's worth, I nearly always prefer defending as opposed to attacking, although I'll do either depending on the circumstances.
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I guess I won't reach the apex of the food chain anytime soon as far as rank goes. I love staying right in the heat of it until I'm out of ammo or blood, or I manage to get a defective plane that keeps losing vital parts. This game is too much fun to try to micro- manage one's score.
Thanks for the response Shane. It sounds like too much work for me. :aok
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Im ranked 10.. its addictive :(
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Think I have only ever checked my score once and even then it was only due to receiving one of those annoying pms that go like " Your score is rubbish, no wonder I pwned you" etc etc etc, you know one of those times when you are at 100ft with oil dmage and all the rest and someone gets you? One of those times, but I don't pay any attention to scores/ranks or whatever, I just log on and have some fun :)
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Think I have only ever checked my score once and even then it was only due to receiving one of those annoying pms that go like " Your score is rubbish, no wonder I pwned you" etc etc etc, you know one of those times when you are at 100ft with oil dmage and all the rest and someone gets you? One of those times, but I don't pay any attention to scores/ranks or whatever, I just log on and have some fun :)
Yeah, I find it very revealing that scoring is derided when it suggests competence and relied on when it suggests the opposite. :P
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I'm still relatively new to the game. I look at my score ocassionally just to see if I am making any progress as far as skills go. Its a huge learning curve to me, for others it seems to not be huge. Personally I prefer MW and just furballing or defending from the air. Seems to me that worrying about score is just more pressure that I don't need. I have enough work just trying and failing not to get shot down all the time :lol
BTW I agree CAP the action between 27 and 30 was slot of fun last nite, for me anyways :salute
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I don't want to think about score anymore
Some years ago, for period lasting a few months, I checked my stats every day (good lord, though, not the rank, that was hopeless). At the end of this time I realized that focusing on the stats was actually reducing my enjoyment. I had stopped climbing to a fight, I wouldn't dive into a mass of planes, I would spend precious minutes flying to a distant base to land kills...I was rapidly becoming one of the people I'd made fun of for years. So I stopped. Checked for the first time in over a year when I saw this thread....it gave me the shivers and I won't check again!
- oldman
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Welcome to sanity, A8tool!:aok
Forget about score and ranks, people, and you'll live happily!
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Yeah, I find it very revealing that scoring is derided when it suggests competence and relied on when it suggests the opposite. :P
look at my score in mw. it isn't too bad.
the problem is, i REALLY don't think i'm tht good. i get beaten a lot. i get too focused on a single target in furballs, and thusly, i get picked...and i know it's my own fault at that point. i enter into fights sometimes with a known disadvantage, and pay the price. i take bombers in way too low. i do a LOT of stupid things ingame. my gunnery sucks BIG time.
but.....i do get some good fights against people of similar skill to me, and sometimes i get lucky and win. if i get over 20 hours in in a month, i'm lucky.
score is decieving. i feel that if i wanted, i could "game" the game, and improve it immensly, as i believe others do. i also believe the truely good sticks like akak, murdr, soulsys, lusche, etc., don't give two hoots about their scores, or any of ours. they truely seem to enjoy the fights, win or lose, and it seems they enjoy helping others to improve their skills.
i mostly look at my score page for only one reason. i like to know how well i'm hitting. i'm only 4 to 5% this month so far.....and that too sucks.
anyway, i guess what i;m getting at, is forget score, and enjoy the game. if someone starts spewing garbage at ya and getting under your skin, there's this great feature........the .squelch<player id>. i used it last night, and it made my night sooooo much better.
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I'm still relatively new to the game. I look at my score ocassionally just to see if I am making any progress as far as skills go. Its a huge learning curve to me, for others it seems to not be huge. Personally I prefer MW and just furballing or defending from the air. Seems to me that worrying about score is just more pressure that I don't need. I have enough work just trying and failing not to get shot down all the time :lol
BTW I agree CAP the action between 27 and 30 was slot of fun last nite, for me anyways :salute
same here....i enjoyed all the good fights last night. i died in the majority of em, but that doesn't matter. they were fuuuunnnn.....
as for the learnign curve, pop into TA.......therer's a lot of help in there. also, if you see me ingame, don't hesitate to ask for help. i;m not that great, but i'll be glad to help when/how i can.
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I rarely capture. I prefer to furball or a great 1 vs 1 or 2 or 3.
I bomb very little.
I attack when being hit by GVs and planes.
I GV terribly.
i bomb when i can't find a god fight.....or when i wanna piss someone off. then i drop their hangars. i know they come back up in 15 minutes, but it still makes me feel better :D
i serve no purpose in gv's other than distracting the enemy so my countrymen can scroe kills :rofl
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I have not captured a base or done much more then try to anger the enemy and Im ranked 21. That will change by the end of the month as usual and I still wont care.
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I agree with you Tool, defending a base is much more satisfying than taking. It's one thing the LynchMob loves to do. It's such a good feeling to bust up NOEs :aok
Then you'd love staying rook and saying NO! to Joker :aok
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I find it funny the folks who say they are not interested in score... then moments latter are deriding your score and saying your worthless.
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If I flew just for rank I wouldn't have any fun at all. I find working with others, especially my squad Rolling Thunger, is most satisfying. Breaking up base takes was my specialty for a while. Now I just focus on what the squad wants to do together mostly.
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Then you'd love staying rook and saying NO! to Joker :aok
:noid don't tell anyone, but I think I like being a Rook :noid
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:noid don't tell anyone, but I think I like being a Rook :noid
well, knits are always looking for a few good spies... :noid
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:aok rank is for the unemployed.
LOL
You'd think so with the amount of work and time it takes to be in the top ten.
You can score well with about 30 hours of fun time play and a few captures really.
Yeah, I find it very revealing that scoring is derided when it suggests competence and relied on when it suggests the opposite. :P
:lol Another funny quote
It seems some of the people who whine about score and rank usually have limited skill, (or lots of skill but only in one area).... not interested in base taking at all or maybe not enough time to play and jealous. Somewhere on this BB I said if you limit yourself your cheating yourself no matter what it is you do. This game offers it's players a wide variety of activities to take part in. If you take part in a few, score and rank just happen on their own.
I'll post two more of these later when i get back home. One for fighter and one for bombing and attack. With just a little skill rank is simple really.
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we pay extra danger perks to spies that go to rooks on account of the low oxygen levels.
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I find it funny the folks who say they are not interested in score... then moments latter are deriding your score and saying your worthless.
your score sucks and you are worthless :D :noid
J/K
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By my forth month I had all the tricks in play and tried to apply them to a squad. I kept some notes and passed them on but in the end it made some people very miserable. Score has it's dangers and like the game itself, can also become addicting... so beware.
<S> Tool,
Speaking from personal experience as a squad CO of a group that has played together over ten years, I would contribute that in my honest opinion emphasizing anything at squad level that is score based is like introducing a cancer into your group, opening the door for animosity & discourse to creep in.
Guys become competitive over kills, & accusations of kill stealing can rear their ugly head. Flights lose cohesion as everyone gangs the first bandit they see because they are all hungry for a kill. Fellows will alter their approach to their flights because they are more worried about their score than clearing a squaddie. Or on the flip side, gents will squabble that their high score flight was messed up because they died trying to rescue a squadmate who didnt fly 'smartly'.
All those events are contrary to my goal of having a group of friends to bs with, fly together with and have fun doing it - the true meaning of being in a healthy, thriving online game group.
Checking score can be a great way to monitor personal progress ( i.e k/d ratio, gunnery percentage ) and HT provides us with all we need to do so in an extensive format, both web based & in game. If you try to change this to a group approach, then as you stated some will find it not their cup of tea, or they cant compete or 'hang' with other squad mates, and people start drifting into different directions.
Scoring is divisive to a group.
Score is the Yoko Ono of squads :)
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Additional online crack will be supplied by PM only :rofl
Don't waste your time PM'ing this guy.
He's far too much of a "class act" to acknowledge your PMs.
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High Rank? So easy a caveman can do it!
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<S> Tool,
Speaking from personal experience as a squad CO of a group that has played together over ten years, I would contribute that in my honest opinion emphasizing anything at squad level that is score based is like introducing a cancer into your group, opening the door for animosity & discourse to creep in.
Guys become competitive over kills, & accusations of kill stealing can rear their ugly head. Flights lose cohesion as everyone gangs the first bandit they see because they are all hungry for a kill. Fellows will alter their approach to their flights because they are more worried about their score than clearing a squaddie. Or on the flip side, gents will squabble that their high score flight was messed up because they died trying to rescue a squadmate who didnt fly 'smartly'.
All those events are contrary to my goal of having a group of friends to bs with, fly together with and have fun doing it - the true meaning of being in a healthy, thriving online game group.
Checking score can be a great way to monitor personal progress ( i.e k/d ratio, gunnery percentage ) and HT provides us with all we need to do so in an extensive format, both web based & in game. If you try to change this to a group approach, then as you stated some will find it not their cup of tea, or they cant compete or 'hang' with other squad mates, and people start drifting into different directions.
Scoring is divisive to a group.
Score is the Yoko Ono of squads :)
100% correct there, last night I was dodging about 4 47N's at 20 something k and a P38 jumped in to make it 5v1 :)
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lol BE :lol
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<S> Tool,
Speaking from personal experience as a squad CO of a group that has played together over ten years, I would contribute that in my honest opinion >>>>
Scoring is divisive to a group.
Score is the Yoko Ono of squads :)
61 posts and I'm sure just about every one of them was a good one.
Fighter only squads probably would have the most trouble trying to handle score properly and to a varying degree, base taking squads somewhere down the line.
All in all, what you said is true.
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<S> Tool,
Speaking from personal experience as a squad CO of a group that has played together over ten years, I would contribute that in my honest opinion emphasizing anything at squad level that is score based is like introducing a cancer into your group, opening the door for animosity & discourse to creep in.
Guys become competitive over kills, & accusations of kill stealing can rear their ugly head. Flights lose cohesion as everyone gangs the first bandit they see because they are all hungry for a kill. Fellows will alter their approach to their flights because they are more worried about their score than clearing a squaddie. Or on the flip side, gents will squabble that their high score flight was messed up because they died trying to rescue a squadmate who didnt fly 'smartly'.
All those events are contrary to my goal of having a group of friends to bs with, fly together with and have fun doing it - the true meaning of being in a healthy, thriving online game group.
Checking score can be a great way to monitor personal progress ( i.e k/d ratio, gunnery percentage ) and HT provides us with all we need to do so in an extensive format, both web based & in game. If you try to change this to a group approach, then as you stated some will find it not their cup of tea, or they cant compete or 'hang' with other squad mates, and people start drifting into different directions.
Scoring is divisive to a group.
Score is the Yoko Ono of squads :)
I'd agree with most of what you say Sav. Problem is, my 80th guys have never found any cohesion despite not worrying about score :)
I think it's a 38 kinda thing
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100% correct there, last night I was dodging about 4 47N's at 20 something k and a P38 jumped in to make it 5v1
6 planes over 20K? each one of you are alt tards <G>
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Here is my version of how to score well. If you allocate your planes properly and keep these things in mind you will be able to better gauge your progress. Some of the tips directly pertain to overall squad score. None of this stuff is really a secret if you choose to try and find it for yourself or ask but here it is all in one small package.
I can't say enough about not letting score take over your game. If your a well rounded player it will happen all on it's own. Taking score to seriously can affect game play and your attitudes and actions toward other players as mentioned will ruin your good time here. Be careful not to fall into that trap.
Someone said that the best players don't watch their score...thats major BS.
All that were mentioned use these same techniques and DO watch there score. Lusche is a score king. AkAk is all about his no matter what he might say after reading this :) and so are the rest ...so don't kid yourself. They all watch their score.
Score is an unavoidable part of this game and if you happen to do well others shouldn't wrag on ya because your aim is good, you use more common sense, don't have the skill or time or doesn't fit in with your personality. Some of them just like to squeak about it because they feel like they can't compete as Salvan said might happen. Just because you don't score that welldoes not mean that you are not a good player. Those players just take a much more fun or reckless approach to it all :lol Who was it that said they'd crash a 262 into the trees just to get a laugh? :rofl
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I do try and get at least something in each of the 4 main categories. I'm not playing for rank per se. I do all kinds fo stuff from base defese, interdiction and jabo as well as non-plane stuff to a lesser extent.
Last tour's (104) is comparable and 718 overall.
By base-taking, I'm guess he means be involved attacking bases as opposed to simple milkrunning (his thumb's down). Of course actually doing the goon/m3 troop capture sure does bump your rank, as does hitting something with a PT's rockets.
So it's fairly easy to get inside the 1,000 mark as long as you do at least 1 thing good out of the 4.>>>>
I missed this part of your post Shane.
I'd be lying if I said i never hit a strat target. To reach the 30's in the main you have to hit at least 3 or them a month and really no reason to go above 6. There have been many times I'd hop in a bomber and go make breakfast or some calls, come back and bomb. The fun part of that is actually trying to get away with it. Sometimes you get caught and have to fight your way back which can be really exciting BTW. Everybody hates ya and they're all out to get you for doing it. I know I'm always searching for those strat target losers :rofl ;)
The thumbs down part is for the second acct. vulchers who pad their scores to make themselves look good. Those guys suck IMO and screw up the whole ranking system for the people who actually want to see themselves improve and climb the fighter rank latter with some integrity.
From tour 90 to 103 i hardly ever landed. I usually fought till dead, missing major parts or outta fuel ammo. That does not mean i never ran either. You have to know when it's just useless and try to get some separation or alt back, wait for friendlies or whatever. Theres nothing worse than getting ganged to death and sometimes theirs nothing funnier or more challenging.
mid war> 1 f6 vs 5 190 A5's near an enemy base...lasted maybe 7-8 minutes took one, damaged some others. Died with a bunch of salutes :aok
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Savlan I salute you Sir !
:salute
Phil / OPP7755
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the general skill level and opponent ur up against in MA is so damn low/poor it really doesn't matter one bit. so damn ez there.
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I can't help it but stare at Gianlupo's avatar=/
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I'd agree with most of what you say Sav. Problem is, my 80th guys have never found any cohesion despite not worrying about score :)
I think it's a 38 kinda thing
I have to disagree.... we started using the duct tape that we pulled in a supply of for taping our torps to our 38s. The torps we attck towns with.
PS You can STICKY this response if you like.