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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Furball on October 08, 2008, 12:15:34 PM
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I don't care what it is.
Getting outrun by Boston's in a 109E irked me in the BoB Scenario on Sunday.
We need any early war bomber to be a useful substitute for the bombers which took part in the early war campaigns.
...and yes, before any of the He-111 crowd comes in, i am suggesting that as one option.
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Agreed! I'd like to add that I'd prefer a bomber that wasn't an allied job. :aok
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B-25C is a better sub as an early war aircraft IMO, don't know why that isn't used more in scenarios.
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Getting outrun by Boston's in a 109E irked me in the BoB Scenario on Sunday.
That made me laugh. Thanks for the humor. :lol
I agree, if there are early war bombers that need to be substituted... the Boston is the fastest of the early war bunch is isnt the most typical of early war bombers. I too suggest one of the B25 or even one of the larger bombers but limit the payload (100 or 250lb bombs) and limit defense to a certain turret or two only based on the bomber they are substituting for. It shouldnt be too difficult.
There are lots of buffs that could be added... I think Germany had one called the He-111. The Brits had the Wellington, iirc.
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Definately. He 111, Vickers Wellington, Mitsubishi G4M, and Tupolev SB2 would be great in rounding out the EW bomber set
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Ju-52.. both as a transport and a light bomber. I'm not sure if the bomber version ever served in WW2, but I know it was in the Spanish Civil War. Answers your wish, a new transport, and AvA setups.
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Definately. He 111, Vickers Wellington, Mitsubishi G4M, and Tupolev SB2 would be great in rounding out the EW bomber set
Do-17 Sm-81 would be great to have.
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Wellington B.Mk III should also be added to the short list.
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That made me laugh. Thanks for the humor. :lol
I agree, if there are early war bombers that need to be substituted... the Boston is the fastest of the early war bunch is isnt the most typical of early war bombers. I too suggest one of the B25 or even one of the larger bombers but limit the payload (100 or 250lb bombs) and limit defense to a certain turret or two only based on the bomber they are substituting for. It shouldnt be too difficult.
There are lots of buffs that could be added... I think Germany had one called the He-111. The Brits had the Wellington, iirc.
Just make 'em use Lancs; running just two engines. :D
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I would welcome a he11, wellington, g4m or a sm79
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Ju-52.. both as a transport and a light bomber. I'm not sure if the bomber version ever served in WW2, but I know it was in the Spanish Civil War. Answers your wish, a new transport, and AvA setups.
I am pretty sure it was used, but dont quote me on this.
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I too would like to see an early-war bomber, however I think we need one more perked bomber before any others are added.
The reason for this is primarily that at the moment, our only perked bomber is the Ar-234, which is fun to fly every now and then, however it's usefulness is quite limited. This is why I support adding next the A-26 Invader as a perked bomber, and then any early-war aeroplane to help out in scenarios.
Yossarian
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I too would like to see an early-war bomber, however I think we need one more perked bomber before any others are added.
The reason for this is primarily that at the moment, our only perked bomber is the Ar-234, which is fun to fly every now and then, however it's usefulness is quite limited. This is why I support adding next the A-26 Invader as a perked bomber, and then any early-war aeroplane to help out in scenarios.
Yossarian
Boooooo! No more American bombers until we get something different. :furious
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Boooooo! No more American bombers until we get something different. :furious
Amen! I'll drink to that.
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Boooooo! No more American bombers until we get something different. :furious
Ok, well can you think of any bombers that you would like to see added next that would be perkable?
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Ok, well can you think of any bombers that you would like to see added next that would be perkable?
Mosquito B.35 please.
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yet another early war bomber thread, and...I TOTALLY AGREEEEEE :rofl
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Mosquito B.35 please.
That's hardly early-war. In addition, as far as I can see, the main argument for early-war bombers to be added before a late-war perked bomber (such as the A-26 Invader, please see my thread here: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,247406.msg3034109.html#msg3034109 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,247406.msg3034109.html#msg3034109)), is that they would help in scenarios. However, I don't see how the Mosquito B.35 could be of significant help in any scenario (and I haven't been able to find any information about its capabilities, so I can't really make any comparison between it and any other plane).
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I think the B-25C is the fastest of the Mitchels and still able to outrun 109E-4s. It even has WEP. It soaks up gobs of cannon rounds with no damage. Had this come up in Aleutians campain a while back in FSO. A6M2s had a hard time closing with the B-25Cs (formations disabled) and I even managed to unload my entire cannon compliment into a single B-25B with limited damage. I then unloaded well over 1000 7mm rounds on an un-moving target (he was fixated on my carrier below!) from 600 to 400 yards out and never did any damage. They were all in the same spot, in the wing root and engine of the left wing, and never brought it down.
B-25Cs are lovely planes, don't get me wrong. They just don't belong as-is in early war scenarios. They're modeled out of steel.
I'd love to see a Blenheim. Old, slow, weak, sure. But they saw use and would be a good light bomber for early early war scenarios. (his, of course, in addition to the Better, the Heinkel, and others.)
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That's hardly early-war. In addition, as far as I can see, the main argument for early-war bombers to be added before a late-war perked bomber (such as the A-26 Invader, please see my thread here: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,247406.msg3034109.html#msg3034109 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,247406.msg3034109.html#msg3034109)), is that they would help in scenarios. However, I don't see how the Mosquito B.35 could be of significant help in any scenario (and I haven't been able to find any information about its capabilities, so I can't really make any comparison between it and any other plane).
I never said it was early war or good for scenarios.
Answering your question - It is however, a bomber which would require a perk, that is not American, that i would like to see in game.
The He-177 is another, as is the Do-217, as is the Tu-2. All of these would require a small perk, IMO.
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B-25Cs are lovely planes, don't get me wrong. They just don't belong as-is in early war scenarios. They're modeled out of steel.
Ahh so that explains it.
I hate that about the B-26, seems ridiculously hard to kill.
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I'd love to see a Blenheim. Old, slow, weak, sure. But they saw use and would be a good light bomber for early early war scenarios. (his, of course, in addition to the Better, the Heinkel, and others.)
People keep mentioning the Blenheim, but I don't think they really know what they are asking for. It would be useless and incapable of doing anything useful.
A far, far better option would be the Wellington B.Mk III. It carries a useful warload, unlike the Blenheim, is even slower so it can be caught but is tougher and has better guns giving it a bit to fight back with.
The Blenheim is not the equivalent of the He111 at all. It is like asking for the Ju86. The Wellington would be a much more balanced addition. Slower than the He111, tougher, about the same payload.
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Problem with the Wellington i can see, would be that it should be able to take a stupid amount of punishment basing it on the B-25 and 26 being so hard to kill.
Rounds would pass right through it because of the fabric, those that did damage did little because of that geodetic structure. I know a guy that flew in Wellingtons, it was immensely popular with the crews, much more so than the Lancaster.
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The Blenheim's payload of four 250lb bombs pretty much means that even a formation would have limited impact on a strat target and basically no effect on a base. It is no faster than the He111 and has paltry defensive guns in comparison.
Adding those two for and calling it balanced would be like adding an He111 and B-24-J and calling it balanced.
You are correct that the Wellington was extremely tough, it was also quite slow allowing even the Bf109E, Bf110C-4 and A6M2 to easily overtake it, even if it is at full throttle. This makes it possible for them to set up and make proper attacks rather than spraying ammo at 500 yards. Aiming for the engines or cockpit would still work as well.
Gunwise it is fairly well covered on the horizontal with .303s, four in the tail, two in the nose and one in each beam, but it does not have a top turret or a belly gun of any kind.