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Title: Lag problems
Post by: extermino on October 24, 2008, 09:50:26 PM
I need help solving my lag problems.  I seem to lag most when I get close to big groups of people or when I try to talk over my mic.  I'm not sure but I think the problem might be that when I try to talk, to much is going on and I freeze up but I'm not really sure, so I was wondering how can I fix this problem?
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: Skuzzy on October 25, 2008, 06:14:26 AM
Try reducing the sound card priority from Full to 3/4 in DXDIAG (Start->Run->DXDIAG), under the "Sound" tab.  It sounds like your computer has an onboard sound chip.
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: Kazaa on October 25, 2008, 09:50:27 AM
Skuzzy saves the day again. :aok
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: doc1kelley on October 25, 2008, 09:55:12 AM
Try reducing the sound card priority from Full to 3/4 in DXDIAG (Start->Run->DXDIAG), under the "Sound" tab.  It sounds like your computer has an onboard sound chip.

I've always reduced hardware acceleration with my dedicated sound chips on any of my creative soundblaster series cards as well.

All the Best...

   Jay
awDoc1
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: FLOTSOM on October 25, 2008, 10:09:47 AM
I've always reduced hardware acceleration with my dedicated sound chips on any of my creative soundblaster series cards as well.

All the Best...

   Jay
awDoc1

Hey Doc <S>

i have a creative sound card, how do i adjust the acceleration? do i do it in windows or through the creative software? how should i decide the appropriate level to set it at?

thanx

FLOTSOM
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: extermino on October 25, 2008, 10:29:34 AM
Thanks for the suggestions ill try it out and see if it works ill repost the results.
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: The Fugitive on October 25, 2008, 10:32:59 AM
Hey Doc <S>

i have a creative sound card, how do i adjust the acceleration? do i do it in windows or through the creative software? how should i decide the appropriate level to set it at?

thanx

FLOTSOM

It doesn't matter as much on a sound card as they have there own processors. On board sound uses the CPU taking away from other things causing the delays and stutters. However, if you wish to try it out, run the Dxdiag, and click on the sound tab. You can adjust it there. There is another place to adjust it that I can just never remember how to get to it so I always go through the DXdiag.
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: The Fugitive on October 25, 2008, 10:34:11 AM
Thanks for the suggestions ill try it out and see if it works ill repost the results.

Post a dxdiag of your computer..... well the first third of the report. Some of these gurus might be able to help you tweak it a bit to get the most out of it.
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: extermino on October 25, 2008, 04:25:49 PM
I adjusted the dxdiag and it did not do anything I still lag.  Is there anything else i could try?
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: The Fugitive on October 25, 2008, 04:35:08 PM
I adjusted the dxdiag and it did not do anything I still lag.  Is there anything else i could try?

run dxdiag, and in the bottom of that window, click the save information. Open that document, and cut and paste the first third of the info here. It should give us enough info to suggest some tweaks you could try.
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: extermino on October 25, 2008, 10:21:44 PM
DxDiag Notes
------------
  DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
      Display Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
          Music Tab: No problems found.
          Input Tab: No problems found.
        Network Tab: No problems found.

--------------------
DirectX Debug Levels
--------------------
Direct3D:    0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw:  0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay:  0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow:  0/6 (retail)

---------------
Display Devices
---------------
        Card name: Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller
     Manufacturer: Intel Corporation
        Chip type: Intel(R) 82845G Graphics Controller
         DAC type: Internal
       Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2562&SUBSYS_01601028&REV_01
   Display Memory: 64.0 MB
     Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (75Hz)
          Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
  Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
      Driver Name: ialmrnt5.dll
   Driver Version: 6.14.0010.4342 (English)
      DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
 Driver Date/Size: 10/19/2005 08:59:12, 38016 bytes
      WHQL Logo'd: Yes
  WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
              VDD: n/a
         Mini VDD: ialmnt5.sys
    Mini VDD Date: 10/19/2005 08:59:12, 807998 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B78E66-6622-11CF-6E63-6A21A0C2CB35}
        Vendor ID: 0x8086
        Device ID: 0x2562
        SubSys ID: 0x01601028
      Revision ID: 0x0001
      Revision ID: 0x0001
      Video Accel:
 Deinterlace Caps: n/a
         Registry: OK
     DDraw Status: Enabled
       D3D Status: Enabled
       AGP Status: Not Available
DDraw Test Result: Not run
 D3D7 Test Result: Not run
 D3D8 Test Result: Not run
 D3D9 Test Result: Not run

-------------
Sound Devices
-------------
            Description: SoundMAX Digital Audio
 Default Sound Playback: Yes
 Default Voice Playback: No
            Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24C5&SUBSYS_01601028&REV_01
        Manufacturer ID: 1
             Product ID: 100
                   Type: WDM
            Driver Name: smwdm.sys
         Driver Version: 5.12.0001.3555 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
            WHQL Logo'd: Yes
          Date and Size: 2/28/2003 11:17:18, 545024 bytes
            Other Files:
        Driver Provider: Analog Devices
         HW Accel Level: Standard
              Cap Flags: 0xB5B
    Min/Max Sample Rate: 8000, 48000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
 Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
              HW Memory: 0
       Voice Management: No
 EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
   I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
               Registry: OK
      Sound Test Result: Not run

            Description: C-Media USB Headphone Set 
 Default Sound Playback: No
 Default Voice Playback: Yes
            Hardware ID: USB\Vid_0d8c&Pid_000c&Rev_0100&MI_00
        Manufacturer ID: 65535
             Product ID: 65535
                   Type: WDM
            Driver Name: usbaudio.sys
         Driver Version: 5.01.2600.2180 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
            WHQL Logo'd: Yes
          Date and Size: 8/4/2004 01:07:56, 59264 bytes
            Other Files:
        Driver Provider: Microsoft
         HW Accel Level: Standard
              Cap Flags: 0xF5F
    Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
 Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
              HW Memory: 0
       Voice Management: No
 EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
   I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
               Registry: OK
      Sound Test Result: Not run

---------------------
Sound Capture Devices
---------------------
            Description: SoundMAX Digital Audio
  Default Sound Capture: Yes
  Default Voice Capture: No
            Driver Name: smwdm.sys
         Driver Version: 5.12.0001.3555 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
          Date and Size: 2/28/2003 11:17:18, 545024 bytes
              Cap Flags: 0x41
           Format Flags: 0xCCC

            Description: C-Media USB Headphone Set 
  Default Sound Capture: No
  Default Voice Capture: Yes
            Driver Name: usbaudio.sys
         Driver Version: 5.01.2600.2180 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
          Date and Size: 8/4/2004 01:07:56, 59264 bytes
              Cap Flags: 0x41
           Format Flags: 0x440

-----------
DirectMusic
-----------
        DLS Path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\drivers\GM.DLS
     DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002
    Acceleration: n/a
           Ports: Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal, Default Port
                  SoundMAX Digital Audio, Software (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
                  USB Audio Device, Software (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
                  Microsoft MIDI Mapper [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
                  Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
        Registry: OK
     Test Result: Not run

That is about the first third of the info.
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: The Fugitive on October 26, 2008, 10:04:29 AM
You cut off a good chunk of the first part, but it looks like its a laptop, and not a very strong one at that.

First thing, hit cntrl, alt, delete and click on the "processes" tab. My worklaptop came in running something like 65. This is wayyyyy too many. I picked up AlacrityPC (http://alacritypc.kensalter.com/download.htm). Its a free program that is very easy to setup to shutdown unneeded processes and start the game. After your done playing and close out the game the processes are restarted. I got mine down to 20

Second thing, with the top page of the page cut off I don't know what you have for a processor, but your graphics card is weak. This is the same setup as my video card too. What I did was to turn the textures in the game down to 128 (in the video tab on the clipboard when you start the game), and made sure it didn't preload anything. Then in the game I disabled other players skins, and in the graphics tab I set the slider almost all the way over to "faster".

With this setup I can run the laptop in the 20-30 fps area and the game is very playable. FLight sims are very hard on computers. Your laptop is a weak unit so it sputters and stalls, choking on the info that has to be processed. By turning everything down the game is still playable, but not quit as pretty.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: extermino on October 26, 2008, 04:30:28 PM
The weird thing is, is that i have a desktop not a laptop the desktop i got, in 2003 if i recall so its getting up there in age, but your suggestions should still apply to my desktop correct?
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: The Fugitive on October 26, 2008, 05:21:11 PM
correct. A 5 year old computer is a antique !   :D  As long as your cpu is fast enough you should be able to tweak it enough to be playable....pretty, well that always cost more  :aok 
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: Skuzzy on October 27, 2008, 06:31:56 AM
The Intel video chip is going to be part of the performance issue.  It looks like one of the older Intel video chips and only has access to 64MB of RAM.

You need to minimize the game resources as well.  Turn the "Maximum Texture Size" in the game's "Video Settings" to 128.  Set the game resolution, no higher than 1024x768.  That might help some, but you should also disable skins in the game as well.

This computer is going othave to be running very lean and clean as well.  Check your background processes at the Windows desktop (Ctrl-Alt-Del to bring up the Windows Task Manager, select the "Processes" tab).  You will want this computer to only have around 19 to 21 processes in order to have a shot of playing the game okay.
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: extermino on October 27, 2008, 06:15:12 PM
For some reason my pc wont download alacritypc
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: Babalonian on October 27, 2008, 07:00:04 PM
Try this link: http://kensalter.com/download/alacritypc/current/x86/alacritypc.zip
Make sure you grant any browser or firewall permisions/prompts that may need to be given.  I wish I could help more, but it varies per your own personal computer's setup and active securities programs.
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: extermino on October 27, 2008, 07:52:37 PM
Well I got good news I did all the suggestions give by you guys, except the thing that closes down all the programs running and my lag has stopped I was even able to use the mic.  Hopefully this was not a one night thing. Thanks for all the help and look to see if this post comes up again(in case the lag comes back).
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: drdeathx on October 28, 2008, 12:04:15 AM
Forget alcraticity or whatever its called. Sry guys enditall2 is a much user friendly program

http://www.docsdownloads.com/enditall-1.htm

also check black vipers website real good info on ending unessecary programs


http://www.blackviper.com/WinXPx64/servicecfg.htm
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: The Fugitive on October 28, 2008, 06:39:28 AM
Forget alcraticity or whatever its called. Sry guys enditall2 is a much user friendly program

http://www.docsdownloads.com/enditall-1.htm

also check black vipers website real good info on ending unessecary programs


http://www.blackviper.com/WinXPx64/servicecfg.htm

Sorry WRONG AGAIN !  enditall you have to go through all the shut down processes each time you use it. Do you write down all the processes you shut down so that you get them all again the next time?

Alacrity you set it up once and you now have a profile. You drag the icon for the profile to the desk top and your ready to go. I double click my icon, and in less than a minute I shut down 40 processes, defrag my ram and end any programs running or stalled, and the game boots up. When I click "quit" on the game it returns the laptop to its original configuration.

Oh, and it sounds like it worked for extermino  :D
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: FLOTSOM on October 28, 2008, 07:22:21 AM
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,250077.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,250077.0.html)

in the above thread there is a long conversation describing the pro's and con's of both enditall2 and alacrity.

since Xasthur made this post i have been using alacrity with great success. i am very happy with it. i used enditall2 and bounced back and forth between the 2 programs trying to work out some issues i was having. but alacrity in the end won out in my opinion for ease of use stability and problem solving.

i would go into more depth on this issue but i think for the most part it was all covered in the above thread.

go there and check out the conversation.

<SALUTE>

FLOTSOM
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: drdeathx on October 28, 2008, 08:29:49 AM
Not to create a disagreement, I tried both and enditall2 is 10 times user friendly.
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: VonMessa on October 28, 2008, 08:35:34 AM
Does this guy work for enditall or something?
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: FLOTSOM on October 28, 2008, 09:07:02 AM
Not to create a disagreement, I tried both and enditall2 is 10 times user friendly.


well DR that is like so much in this world, a users end point opinion.

if enditall2 works well for you then by all means continue using it. in my opinion i like alacrity, so i will continue to use it. either way if our individual choices allow both of us to play the game or opporate our computers with less hassle and headache then <SALUTE> to us both!

FLOTSOM
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: drdeathx on October 28, 2008, 10:27:22 AM
Von messa ,

No I do not work for enditall but if you read one of the replies by fugitive you may understand  the response and thank you Flotsom. It really is preference. Both work fine but it takes all of 10 seconds to run enditall2 Fugitive not 1 minute.
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: VonMessa on October 28, 2008, 10:33:12 AM
My sincere apologies.   I was just wondering, since I've seen you jam a plug for it into 50% of your posts.   :aok
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: drdeathx on October 28, 2008, 11:46:44 AM
Sry too Von,

I ran both and it is definitely easier for the novice user. Alacrity can ceate profiles so if you run different applications you can customize each profile for each application. Flotsom, Challenge and others seem to like it a lot. The nice thing about end it all is, once you padlock programs it takes 5 seconds to end programs and you are ready to go. I want to apologize in my quick decision to endorse enditall2 but I tried Alacrity and I am computer lirerate although 1 person does not think so. I used both and still prefer enditall2. I suggest to try both. you can always uninstall either one according to personnal preference..... Thanks
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: extermino on October 31, 2008, 02:34:18 PM
I downloaded the enditall program (it was easier to install) but I'm not sure what programs are unsafe to shut down so I was wondering if anybody here knew which things are safe to close down.
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: MonsterZer0 on October 31, 2008, 03:25:58 PM
Spend some time researching the processes running in the background. By hitting ctrl alt delete then selecting processes u can see whats running. Also take a look at hints and tips from skuzzy's post in the bold.
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: The Fugitive on October 31, 2008, 04:43:04 PM
I downloaded the enditall program (it was easier to install) but I'm not sure what programs are unsafe to shut down so I was wondering if anybody here knew which things are safe to close down.

That's one of the problems with enditall. With Alacrity a mouse over each selection will give you a good idea of what to do with it, and for those that it has no suggestion, a quick google and you'll have an answer. Once you have all of your processes set, save it and your good to go each time you want to play. Set it once, and then each time after that its just a double click to stop all the processes you selected, a quick defrag of your ram, and the game starts.
Title: Re: Lag problems
Post by: extermino on October 31, 2008, 08:42:39 PM
I only installed enditall because the other program made me download some other thing that would have taken for ever and it is halloween night and i did not have the patience for it.