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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Bosco123 on October 26, 2008, 01:38:24 PM
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I have finally come up with something to use, with all these people who know how to fly, but don't use it properly. It became conclusive to me that this is what a "MA Mentality" really is, last night/ yesterday. I went into the arena, nothing new, then decided to go to the DA. I really wanted to get some warm up time, because I had KOTH later that evening. So I said on All channel, if there was anyone good out there to 1v1 me. A guy name Huckster said OK, I told him to wait for a little, because I was in Furball circle. I go on for another five minutes when, Huckster, kills me with a Temp. I thought, "No big deal" so he goes on all channel and he says, "You wanted to fight someone good? lol" kind of confused, I told him, "what are you talking about?" then he says, "I'll show you when we fight." So we go in Spit5s, something that I use alto in 1v1, because its a good plane. We merge on the deck, and in one turn, he immediately goes for the turn and rope. He doesn't kill me in a couple turns, until his E was too great for me, and couldn't handle what we were doing at his speed. So I called him out, "Nice rope pick 1v1" The rant began. He started calling me clueless and I had no idea what I was talking about, and stupid things like that. It somehow turns into an argument about BFMs..... what the hell is a BFM? after a long argument about this he finally tells me that you need Basic Flight Maneuvers in a 1v1. So now I'm totally astonished on how this kid could go around and tell me that you need "Basic" Maneuvers to kill someone 1v1. So I told him that is ACMs, that you need to learn, not BFMs. Then he begins telling me that I need to read a book, if I know how to, crap like that. So I let it go.
I got up in a Yak9T, something that I have never flown before, and I see a lone spixteen picking another guy in a spit. This spixteen kills the other spit and I got a quick snapshot off, but didn't hit him. He finally kills me, and again, its Huckster. So I up a spixteen, to go fin him. He kills this same guy from earlier and he got low and slow. He begins to run to catch his E, and we get nearly the same E, could be off by maybe 5mph or so. I begin fighting him and I continually gain the advantage, until I tear his wing off. He then rants about how there was 4 spit14s nearby; they were just coming off the Field! So he rants about this for as long as I'm there.
I go back to the MA after being AFK for a couple hours, and I was flying planes that I don't fly at all. I take up a KI-61 and fly that around the Rook/ Bish furball, I believe it was A8 and A9. A spixteen comes in and picks me, and low and behold its Huckster again. So he immediately comes on 200 saying, "LOL" After this I got a little tired of him and told him, "Nice pick in your spixteen." then he goes on and it comes back to ACMs/ BFM crap all over again.
I have finally come to the conclusion that there is some guys that know how to fight, but choose to be a tard, and use their, "MA" ability, to kill someone. After I fought Huckster, I fought Dedalos. All of the fights were great, none of them had to do with ropes or picks, they were straight up fights, and we had a lot of fun. I soon came to the conclusion that Huckster, was none other than Cmustard, one of the biggest tards in the game. His big mouth gave it away again.
I actually have a film of the fight that we had,my ownage, were he says that there was 4 spit14s over him. So there are just some people that carry the, "MA mentality" that I have discussed here. Those are the people that I choose not to fight anymore, people like Deadalos, and people like him, are the guys that I would much rather choose to fight.
Film:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?tfenmnd1zdz
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How can you pick in a 1vs1? :huh
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He roped, then when I was slow he maintained his E and alt that he gain for the rope climb, he picked the crap outa me.
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That's not picking. What you described is your opponent out-flying you after a clean merge to gain an energy advantage, and then exploiting that advantage for a kill.
A pick is when you shoot someone already engaged with another bandit. Everyone picks when they clear a friendly or a squadie.
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He roped, then when I was slow he maintained his E and alt that he gain for the rope climb, he picked the crap outa me.
Sorry boscoe, that is called losing your advantage. 1v1 ropes shouldn't be frowned upon, because in fact, you fell for it...
my .02
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It sounds like he has read Shaws book on BFM ACM or that he comes from other flight sims too.
1v1 you cant get 'picked' and if you get 'picked' in the MA its from lack of SA or poor use of it. The 'MA Mentality' is that 'picking' is wrong and yet it is inevitable in 'MA' situations.
What you described as a '1v1 pick' is a pretty righteous kill and one of my favorites.
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Interesting.
:lol
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Bosco,
Huckster was giving you some good advice there. BFM is 'Basic Fighter Maneuvers' and is fundamental to good ACM.
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He didn't pick you. He just did the lame E merge that 99% of dolts use. Whenever you duel someone new just make sure they don't have more E than you and you'll never lose. Last time I fought Mustard he tried it and it was hillarious to watch as he had no counter becuase he couldn't get above me. Was like watching a cat squirm as you hold it in the air by it's tail.
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Yup yup. Can't pick in a 1v1. You fell for the most basic of moves and lost. It's kind of lame, as Stang said, to go straight for a rope in a duel but you need to be prepared for it. It's the simplest of moves.
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It sounds like he has read Shaws book on BFM ACM or that he comes from other flight sims too.
1v1 you cant get 'picked' and if you get 'picked' in the MA its from lack of SA or poor use of it. The 'MA Mentality' is that 'picking' is wrong and yet it is inevitable in 'MA' situations.
What you described as a '1v1 pick' is a pretty righteous kill and one of my favorites.
Getting picked in the MA doesn't mean you have bad SA, sorry but when people say that it's irritates me. There are lots of reasons you can get picked and having bad SA isn't the only reason. Sometimes you can just be out of E from fighting another con and if you are in a heavy plane it just might not move out of the way quick enough. You might be fighting a low con while two others BnZ you. Your plane might be missing parts that make it hard to dodge multiple cons. You might well see them coming but it's not always you are in a aircraft that's capable of getting out of the way, unless you fly a noobicane or a zeek all the time.
As a side note to the original poster.. I've seen others gripe about getting "roped" in a 1 vs 1 DA type fights. I've never understood that complaint. Not saying this other guy wasn't a tard, but if he managed to keep his E while you lost yours then that's a fair way to kill IMO. That's just part of E fighting, which means keeping your energy while draining the other guy of his so you can then have your way with him. It doesn't mean you have to be a BnZ tard, but I will by all means use my alt and energy to my advantage in any fight.
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Getting picked in the MA doesn't mean you have bad SA, sorry but when people say that it's irritates me. There are lots of reasons you can get picked and having bad SA isn't the only reason. You might be fighting a low con while two others BnZ you.
If you engage into a low turn fight with 2 Bnzers around, that is a poor SA decision. :)
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I got away from the rope, and dived down. From there he didn't immeditely come down for me, thus, he had a higher E state and alt. advantage. He cam down for the first shot and I reversed him, again, he went back up I just could keep doing what he was doing.
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I had a long session with this Huckster last month, never met him under that name before and i couldnt care less about the name game so i didnt ask who he was. He flew really well, and beat me a few times from definite e disadvantage. Most notable was his use of optimum ratio sustained flat turns to escape a bad situtaion and win it back.Some of our fights went on for well over five minutes. I think you are mistake bosco.
What really happened was you two had a standoff anfter disagreeing on how a duel should be fought, most of it coming from the fact you were pissed off that he didnt fly how you expected and you made a mess of it. You taking him seriously was his prompt to tease you more, you should have bit your tounge and said Good Kill before going back out there and doing the job right.
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uhh i'm late and after skimming this thread, sorry to say bosco... you're appearing more clueless than you yourself think huckster is.
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Finally occurred to me who this huckster is.
IF it is who I think it is, this is how they always fight in a duel.
If the agreed upon merge alt is say 6k, they will climb well above it and dive down right before you are in icon range. They will then use this massive energy advantage to get above you on the merge.
Film the duel next time and check what their alt/speed is pre-merge.
ALWAYS do a hard cap pre-merge alt w/ this guy. If merge is 6k, don't go over 6k pre-merge.
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If E fighting in your weakness in a 1 v 1 situation, you need to do every thing in your power to work on it. Like Stang said, once you equal out the E states, most cant fight there way out of a wet paper bag.
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:rofl Bosco that whole film cracks me up. The DA has turned into a sad place. And Musturd.....why's he running away in the dueling arena? :rofl
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I had a long session with this Huckster last month, never met him under that name before and i couldnt care less about the name game so i didnt ask who he was. He flew really well, and beat me a few times from definite e disadvantage. Most notable was his use of optimum ratio sustained flat turns to escape a bad situtaion and win it back.Some of our fights went on for well over five minutes. I think you are mistake bosco.
What really happened was you two had a standoff anfter disagreeing on how a duel should be fought, most of it coming from the fact you were pissed off that he didnt fly how you expected and you made a mess of it. You taking him seriously was his prompt to tease you more, you should have bit your tounge and said Good Kill before going back out there and doing the job right.
I believe your right, and I should have bit my tounge, having being sick and all this weekend didn't make things any better. Its just he definetly ranted after what I said, it was only to show him that "Hey, not all fights include using E for advantage." much like I did with dedalos.
I could be wrong with the whole Mustard thing, but the way he reacted to what I said made me totaly think that it was Mustard in the flesh. To be honest, he realy isn't that good, once you get him off his perch he falls easy as anything, I just think it was because I'm already sick, didn't make anything like that better.
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To be honest, he realy isn't that good,
Well he was good enough to beat you 1v1, with equal starting circumstances.
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Well he was good enough to beat you 1v1, with equal starting circumstances.
easy now, Steve.......he was sick :confused:.........took him 4 hours just to remember he was sick ........lets :pray for him.....um'kay?
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IF it is who I think it is, this is how they always fight in a duel.
If the agreed upon merge alt is say 6k, they will climb well above it and dive down right before you are in icon range. They will then use this massive energy advantage to get above you on the merge.
I've got films of '3k duels' where my crossing speed is 300mph and the other's is 450mph, it really doesnt bother me. If someone needs to do that to feel confident then surely it is a huge compliment to me. Having E advantage wont win the fight unless you fail to notice in time a get sucked into a rope which no one worth their salt in dueling will fall for more than once. Huckster may or may not be who you think but what does it matter really? Personally i got on well with him and enjoyed the fights.
If someone really bothers you...like my great freind Lengro said to me: "I just think of those type of guys as the AI with some challenge."
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Pretty hard to loose a same plane duel where you manage to get an E advantage IMO, either through cheating or because the opponent blew their E. You have all day, you are not going to get bounced by interlopers. You have a plane that turns just as well. No reason to do anything but manage throttle and reel in angles in once any sort of slight advantage is established. Definitely a wrong thing to do to break cap alt.
I trust running balls-to-the-wall at the specified alt and going for an E move if the opponent has been running a little over corner speed to get a really tight initial turn ISN'T considered cheating though.
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Well he was good enough to beat you 1v1, with equal starting circumstances.
Again, only reason why he beat me was he used his E over me. When we got low and slow, as you can see in the film, he died just as easy as I did when it was 1v1.
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Again, only reason why he beat me was he used his E over me. When we got low and slow, as you can see in the film, he died just as easy as I did when it was 1v1.
you are missing the point. Using E is not outlawed or cheating. He beat you. For that fight, he was better than you.
Happens to me all the time.
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you are missing the point. Using E is not outlawed or cheating. He beat you. For that fight, he was better than you.
Happens to me all the time.
you are missing the point. When the other guy grabs above the agreed upon merge alt out of icon range and comes in with 100-150kias speed advantage on the merge, they are not "better".
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you are missing the point. When the other guy grabs above the agreed upon merge alt out of icon range and comes in with 100-150kias speed advantage on the merge, they are not "better".
Was there proof that Huckster did this? If so, that's pretty lame..
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you are missing the point. When the other guy grabs above the agreed upon merge alt out of icon range and comes in with 100-150kias speed advantage on the merge, they are not "better".
Why don't you go ahead and point out to me where the OP states that Huckster did that? Go ahead, point it out.
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calm down cartoon steve! just walk away :P wheres scot12b frog with a cowboy hat thats fn funny :salute
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Why don't you go ahead and point out to me where the OP states that Huckster did that? Go ahead, point it out.
If Huckster is who I think they are, that is the ONLY way they fight in a duel.
If they are not who I am thinking of, then my apologies to huckster.
(but going by batfinks post, I am pretty sure I am correct)
(now you point out where in the OP it says he DIDN'T do what I said he did)
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If Huckster is who I think they are, that is the ONLY way they fight in a duel.
If they are not who I am thinking of, then my apologies to huckster.
(but going by batfinks post, I am pretty sure I am correct)
(now you point out where in the OP it says he DIDN'T do what I said he did)
I don't need to, it's not currently part of the equation. You are conveniently trying to add factors to it. No.
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(now you point out where in the OP it says he DIDN'T do what I said he did)
Fail. Burden of proof.
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Lute is still correct even if off the point.Maybe not about this encounter but yes about a certain type of 'dueler' who uses every trick to gain an edge to start with. Adversely no one has a right to denounce another flying style untill they can at least defeat it with their own. Stranger still, when you can beat it you suddenly lose the urge to denounce it. :)
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.Maybe not about this encounter
That's all that I'm discussing, as that is what the topic is about.
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Stranger still, when you can beat it you suddenly lose the urge to denounce it. :)
I will never denounce 'lil bear, but i sure can beat it. :lol
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If you engage into a low turn fight with 2 Bnzers around, that is a poor SA decision. :)
If you fail to engage a con because others are in the area then you will likely spend 95% of your flying time running away.
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Like Stang said, once you equal out the E states, most cant fight there way out of a wet paper bag.
How true!(http://www.buddy-icons.info/img/smile/1639.gif)
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How true!(http://www.buddy-icons.info/img/smile/1639.gif)
Scot, your right on that. I think what happend here is, one side believes that they were using all the advantages that they can use to win a fight, the other side says that I lost fair and square. We can never know, even with a film, if he did or he didn't. We can only judge by someones charecter, in a fight. Its probably true that he came in with way more E than me, but I won't try and make that official. For all I know, I beat. Simple.
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Its probably true that he came in with way more E than me, but I won't try and make that official. For all I know, I beat. Simple.
It's really sad that you have no proof that this person did do what Lute described but you sure don't let it stop you from implying the other player was cheating in your duel. Personally, I think your attitude says just as much about the "current MA mentality" than the player you're posting about.
ack-ack
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It's really sad that you have no proof that this person did do what Lute described but you sure don't let it stop you from implying the other player was cheating in your duel. Personally, I think your attitude says just as much about the "current MA mentality" than the player you're posting about.
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I guess you did not see my point. Your referring to saying that I think he is cheating, which seems to be far from the truth. What I said, he may or may not have cheated, but with no film to be shown, why should I think that he is cheating. For all I know he beat me fair and square. Simple.
That's exactly what I said, maybe you should read with a little more interpretation.
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I guess you did not see my point. Your referring to saying that I think he is cheating, which seems to be far from the truth. What I said, he may or may not have cheated, but with no film to be shown, why should I think that he is cheating. For all I know he beat me fair and square. Simple.
That's exactly what I said, maybe you should read with a little more interpretation.
Its probably true that he came in with way more E than me, but I won't try and make that official.
Yep, the more I think about it, the more you fit the "MA mentality" you whine about.
ack-ack
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Most notable was his use of optimum ratio sustained flat turns to escape a bad situtaion and win it back.
sounds like one of the badboy personalities. If it was, be careful to watch him stashing E on climbout then diving to agreed alt.
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sounds like one of the badboy personalities. If it was, be careful to watch him stashing E on climbout then diving to agreed alt.
I thought of that too, but BadBoy would have cause a fight and for sure would have come after me after he asked for a fight and I ignored him. The normal BadBoy procedure at that point would be to come vulch me. I vote for Mustard :rofl
Oh, and Bosco provides some of the best and fair fights in the DA. I would take his word over some shade account any day
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sounds like one of the badboy personalities.
(http://jdwaggoner.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/more-cowbell-tshirt.jpg)
:D
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<S> Bosco <S>
Keep fighting the clean fight Bosco, your a better person than Mustard will ever be.
<S> Bro
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Yep, the more I think about it, the more you fit the "MA mentality" you whine about.
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a few weeks ago, i came in on dedalos in a yak....i had boatloads of e and had alt on him. i lost.
had multiple fights with shuffler last week, and a couple with soulss....at least 3 of em, i came in with distinct advantage. lost em all.
it's in the pilot. had i been better, i may have won those engagements.(which i feel i should have). actually, now that i think of it i DID win. i got good films to review my mistakes.(of which there were plenty!)
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Getting picked in the MA doesn't mean you have bad SA, sorry but when people say that it's irritates me. There are lots of reasons you can get picked and having bad SA isn't the only reason. Sometimes you can just be out of E from fighting another con and if you are in a heavy plane it just might not move out of the way quick enough. You might be fighting a low con while two others BnZ you. Your plane might be missing parts that make it hard to dodge multiple cons. You might well see them coming but it's not always you are in a aircraft that's capable of getting out of the way, unless you fly a noobicane or a zeek all the time.
As a side note to the original poster.. I've seen others gripe about getting "roped" in a 1 vs 1 DA type fights. I've never understood that complaint. Not saying this other guy wasn't a tard, but if he managed to keep his E while you lost yours then that's a fair way to kill IMO. That's just part of E fighting, which means keeping your energy while draining the other guy of his so you can then have your way with him. It doesn't mean you have to be a BnZ tard, but I will by all means use my alt and energy to my advantage in any fight.
Your right crockett what I should have said is 'you have plenty of time to see the pick coming and should either make up your mind that you are staying to try to finish him off before you get picked or leave at some point.' I think the only way you might not see a pick coming is if its an La7 or Hurr hiding in the weeds.
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Egotistical players and "1v1 = ultimate test of all skills" mentality, these are trademark characteristics of a "MA mentality"? :confused:
What are the characteristics of a "MA mentality" compared to another one of say the DA?
This thread comes off as one player of one mentality failing at whatever they're trying to accomplish and as a result taking out their frustration on another mentality that they don't understand.
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Egotistical players and "1v1 = ultimate test of all skills" mentality, these are trademark characteristics of a "MA mentality"? :confused:
What are the characteristics of a "MA mentality" compared to another one of say the DA?
This thread comes off as one player of one mentality failing at whatever they're trying to accomplish and as a result taking out their frustration on another mentality that they don't understand.
Stop by in the DA and find out. Is it too hard to understand what a duel is Vs the shoot at anything red in the MA?
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Stop by in the DA and find out. Is it too hard to understand what a duel is Vs the shoot at anything red in the MA?
There is the occasional duel in the MAs but it doesn't happen enough.
Actually from what time Ive spent in the DA I haven't found it much better. But if theres one concept Ive come to understand its been that you learn far more in battles you lose then in ones youv won. Lately Ive been outganged from anywheres from 2 on 1 to 5 on 1. While Ive often lost Ive learned valuable lessons on how to survive in really bad tactical envirements, and Im surviving longer and longer. Last week for instance I beat 4 in a 4 on 1. I used base ack yes but still that was a big step up for me.
Dont look at losing as a loss. You cant lose cause its only a cartoon game. Instead look at losing as a "lesson".
Thats why I never "run". I might stretch one out but if the plane allows me, and I got bullets, Im a'coming back atya win or lose.
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I'm sure the MA and DA have it's fair share of players who don't think twice about pointing their nose at the nearest killable object, the "it's red, it's dead" syndrome. If anything it's a characteristic of those that just don't know any beter or are inexperienced in a game where the point is to kill more than be killed, and if a game doesn't have those (the noobs) then the game doesn't have any players at all (noobs become the uber stick vets).
My two questions still stand:
Egotistical players and "1v1 = ultimate test of all skills" mentality, these are trademark characteristics of a "MA mentality"? :confused:
What are the characteristics of a "MA mentality" compared to another one of say the DA?
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Yep, the more I think about it, the more you fit the "MA mentality" you whine about.
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READ! what does it say on that last part? "I won't make that official" what don't you understand? thats means they may accuse him of doing that, but I won't.
I had a funny thing happen to me today. I have just beginning to learn to fly the KI-84, boy have I been missing out. I flew it at a furball against nits, and it was fun, but they had a way more higher alt. advantage than us. So, I decided to get Co alt. with them, and get some of them to fight. I was fighting Nemeses in a spixteen, we went back and fourth a couple times killing eachother, it was fun. We got up to about 13 or 14K on our last fight, when a spixteen comes in from 22K or 23K. 22or 23K! while fighting this guy, the spixteen comes in a picks me, and of course kills me. Guess who it is. Its Huckster!
I think that kind of sad, when you cain't even fly a spixteen without haveing a 10K adv. He truly has no idea how to fight, other than having some kind of E adv. Now thats sad.I'm sure the MA and DA have it's fair share of players who don't think twice about pointing their nose at the nearest killable object, the "it's red, it's dead" syndrome. If anything it's a characteristic of those that just don't know any beter or are inexperienced in a game where the point is to kill more than be killed, and if a game doesn't have those (the noobs) then the game doesn't have any players at all (noobs become the uber stick vets).
My two questions still stand:
Egotistical players and "1v1 = ultimate test of all skills" mentality, these are trademark characteristics of a "MA mentality"? :confused:
What are the characteristics of a "MA mentality" compared to another one of say the DA?
I think what I'm getting here is, a person with "MA Mentality" would be someone, who can 1v1 decently, and would know how, but only uses his MA skills to beat out someone. Thus the E rope climb, shows exaclty what I'm talking about. When I fought Dedalos the other day, we had stright up fights, there was no E climb or anything like that, it was stright burn up all E within the first merge and fight the stall. I just found what I'm trying to say here. What I didn't like between me and Huckster was that I want fight the stall, he whats to use his "MA skill" to out stall me in a rope situation.
Even again today after another dose of Huckster, I went to the DA with Grizz. Girzz is a great pilot, he used his knowlege of "Throttle Control" to beat me in a lot of situations.... Hes tring have no E! I'm a little rust usuing throttle control, because most of my fights have to do with full power manuvers, I havn't me to many people who can cut their throttle like he did today. We spent about 2 hours doing this. We flew many planes like: KI-84, K4, Yak-9T, F4U1, F4U1-D, and a 109F-4, and all of them had nothing to do with E climb or anything like that. It was soley based upon stall fighting. Thats what I think is fun.
So thanks for the fights Grizz and Dedalos, these past few days have been alot of fun, without this whole Huckster crap.
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Oh, and Bosco provides some of the best and fair fights in the DA. I would take his word over some shade account any day
So would I :aok
(http://www.jms101.btinternet.co.uk/full_sets/gold/circular_bold_std/Mr-T.gif) I does sound like BadBoy(http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5Elf/baby2.gif)
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So would I :aok
(http://www.jms101.btinternet.co.uk/full_sets/gold/circular_bold_std/Mr-T.gif) I does sound like BadBoy(http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5Elf/baby2.gif)
Not to be mean or anything, but thats the most I've seen you write in a post. :D
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Hater (http://www.allfreeclipart.com/cartoons/cartoon60.gif) :O(http://skins.hotbar.com/skins/mailskins/em/070105/070105_emMO2.gif)
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Hater (http://www.allfreeclipart.com/cartoons/cartoon60.gif) :O(http://skins.hotbar.com/skins/mailskins/em/070105/070105_emMO2.gif)
:rofl :D
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SkyRock<---beatable....by few! :aok
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For sure Bosco, I had a good time...and learned what planes I need to either get a lot better in or stay out of <G>
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It was soley based upon stall fighting. Thats what I think is fun.
The problem here is that you think that dump E at merge then stall fight is the only legitimate way to fight, which it isnt. I know its a gross simplification but BnZ -> TnB -> E-fight is a progression in terms of pilot skill. You appear to have stopped at TnB, which means you dont have the full set of tools in your toolbox. Huckster does, so he rightly used them to beat you.
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The problem here is that you think that dump E at merge then stall fight is the only legitimate way to fight, which it isnt. I know its a gross simplification but BnZ -> TnB -> E-fight is a progression in terms of pilot skill. You appear to have stopped at TnB, which means you dont have the full set of tools in your toolbox. Huckster does, so he rightly used them to beat you.
Ahhhhh, the definition of clueless lol. Speed == mad skillzzzzz :rofl
E-fighting has nothing to do with coming in faster than the other guy. That is just an advantage you did not work for. Can you come in at equal E states and then E fight him and win?
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What are the characteristics of a "MA mentality" compared to another one of say the DA?
Excluding the cherry pick area in the DA (just another mini MA) it a simple difference.
In the DA you set up for a duel where you start at all equal and try to gain an advantage. You work for it while the other guy tries to prevent you from doing so. You do it for the fight, to see how good you are, and to learn from a controlled situation. Meaning, if you gain the advantage you learn from how you did it. If you die, you learn from how you died. It takes away the randomness of the the MA environment out.
In the MA is free for all. It is fun, especially if you can take on a few guys at the time ( but you wont be able to do that unless you tried the above). However it is very random. Most of the guys you will engage will already have the advantage on you or you will have an advantage on them. You wont learn match by killing someone because you really don;t know why you were able to.
In any case. Both fun. I just don't understand what is so difficult to understand about what a duel is.
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not sure I understand your reply dedalos, are you agreeing with me or disagreeing? :confused:
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not sure I understand your reply dedalos, are you agreeing with me or disagreeing? :confused:
I agree with the progression. However to say that coming in with more speed than the other guy is E fighting is just funny. That is what Bosco is talking about. As I said above. Can you engage at equal states and E fight? Can you create the E advantage? From what I have seen all most people can do is post in the BBS about what Bosco did wrong. Do you know that he could take on anyone that posted in this thread and kill him in a few seconds? Yet you guys are giving him advice on what he did wrong? :rofl I know exactly what he did wrong. He trusted that his opponent was looking for a fair fight. Why don't you guys ask him to the DA and show him how he is stuck at the TnB level? :rofl
Coming in faster into a duel is just cheap and there is no reason for it. In the MA yes, do what you have to to win fast cause there is more coming. In a duel there is no excuse for it.
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Do you know that he could take on anyone that posted in this thread and kill him in a few seconds?
:huh
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Alright alright, after 5 pages I don;t remember everyone that posted here :lol It was directed at the keyboard ACM guys :rofl
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However to say that coming in with more speed than the other guy is E fighting is just funny.
well I didnt say that, but it could be true. bosco could have feathered a little so he would hit optimum turn speed to merge for the TnB fight he was expecting. Huckster however could have WEPd into the merge not intending to TnB from the first merge, but bleed as little as possible so he could then E-fight. He then has a completely legitimate E-advantage to play with. Same plane/alt-cap in a duel doesn't mean equal E states at the merge, it means equal E-potential before the merge. What you do with that potential is up to you.
I also know exactly what he did wrong. He assumed his opponent was going to fight the way he wanted. Unfortunately for bosco Huckster hadnt read the script and decided to do something different.
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well I didnt say that, but it could be true. bosco could have feathered a little so he would hit optimum turn speed to merge for the TnB fight he was expecting. Huckster however could have WEPd into the merge not intending to TnB from the first merge, but bleed as little as possible so he could then E-fight. He then has a completely legitimate E-advantage to play with. Same plane/alt-cap in a duel doesn't mean equal E states at the merge, it means equal E-potential before the merge. What you do with that potential is up to you.
I also know exactly what he did wrong. He assumed his opponent was going to fight the way he wanted. Unfortunately for bosco Huckster hadnt read the script and decided to do something different.
I take it, you and Bosco had some words in the past or hackster is a squadie? What you described above does not result in a win. You get some E but you get shot since you gave up the angles. Way too match keyboard ACM in here. Go in the DA and show him what a nube he is
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Alright alright, after 5 pages I don;t remember everyone that posted here :lol It was directed at the keyboard ACM guys :rofl
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I actually have a film of the fight that we had,my ownage, were he says that there was 4 spit14s over him. So there are just some people that carry the, "MA mentality" that I have discussed here. Those are the people that I choose not to fight anymore, people like Deadalos, and people like him, are the guys that I would much rather choose to fight.
Film:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?tfenmnd1zdz
the film of your "pwnage" - the first encounter, right?
a) you came in with alt and smash, over 80-90kias differential (and tried to rope huckster on the "merge") - can someone pls define "irony"?
b) there were indeed 4 spits over huckster (including yours) - you just happened to kill him before the *final 2* of the 4 could in (and they were starting to).. even tho they had't reached guns range, huckster had to give them some attention.
the second encounter you had myway intereferring which made it 2 v 1 against huckster.
I saw no evidence of any actual "duels" - this film was entirely in furball lake, which is a totally different animal than using the "dueling areas" to the west.
soooooo... i'm really failing to see your point. from what i could see on the film, there's nothing for you to be either whining or bragging about.
meh.
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I take it, you and Bosco had some words in the past or hackster is a squadie?
lol no and no. it just seems bosco thinks e-fighting = cheating, which I disagree with.
as for giving up angles, all ACM are a balance of cost/benefit. giving your opponent a weak shot in order to get yourself a good shot may be your best hope if your opponent isnt an idiot and wont just lay it out for you.
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lol no and no. it just seems bosco thinks e-fighting = cheating, which I disagree with.
Nop, we agree there. I can't watch the films at work so from the conversations in the DA that day I was under the impression this was a duel and not a fight in the cherry pick arena
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Not to revert from the current subject, but I must be one of those autistic fellers.. I skipped the BnZ phase (Kindergarden)and went straight for TnB(Highschool). Am currently attempting to better myself with regards to the E fighting(College or maybe it should be the Pro's...not sure, is there a level above e fighting?).
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You get some E but you get shot since you gave up the angles.
It depends on how much e you gain. You can win a duel after the merge if your opponent bleeds too much e in a high g immelman for the sake of angles. The better sticks aren't going to make that mistake.
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If Huckster is who I think they are, that is the ONLY way they fight in a duel.
If they are not who I am thinking of, then my apologies to huckster.
(but going by batfinks post, I am pretty sure I am correct)
(now you point out where in the OP it says he DIDN'T do what I said he did)
I have fought huckster this is exactly what he does . He went like 5k higher when i dueled him used e advantage and wore me down .
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I figure why should I be bothered at a certain type of player when it would be far better to learn how to beat them and do it repeatedly :D
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Excluding the cherry pick area in the DA (just another mini MA) it a simple difference.
In the DA you set up for a duel where you start at all equal and try to gain an advantage. You work for it while the other guy tries to prevent you from doing so. You do it for the fight, to see how good you are, and to learn from a controlled situation. Meaning, if you gain the advantage you learn from how you did it. If you die, you learn from how you died. It takes away the randomness of the the MA environment out.
In the MA is free for all. It is fun, especially if you can take on a few guys at the time ( but you wont be able to do that unless you tried the above). However it is very random. Most of the guys you will engage will already have the advantage on you or you will have an advantage on them. You wont learn match by killing someone because you really don;t know why you were able to.
In any case. Both fun. I just don't understand what is so difficult to understand about what a duel is.
I understand what a duel is, and you described it probabley beter than I could, a controlled fight/situation, the same with how it compares to the randomness found in the MA. But, I'm trying to figure out from the OP's perspective (*points to thread's title and original post*)how that "MA mentality" of randomness and always being prepared to counter other randoms is his problem when it is more likely to be his solution when dealing with a jerk who exploits those who aren't prepared.
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THE fact is, that 95% of the time that you lose a fight, it's only you that beat yourself for the other guy, in some way shape or form. i know, as i've come into fights with advantages, and still managed to lose. i've come into fights with disadvantages, and managed to win. i also don't think i'm any better than anyone on here, so don't mis-intrepret me.......
last night, i kept commin up at stang in his p39, and feeding him free kills, but the fact is that it was only me that beat me. same when i got kilt by bronk. had i been more patient, and extended for better advantages, i might've had a chance.
i used to get pissed when i lost. now i just film, watch, and learn. it's all any of us can do really, right?
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well CAP, another idea would be not flying near Stang or Bronk ever again!
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well CAP, another idea would be not flying near Stang or Bronk ever again!
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NAH.......
t was my own fault. stang actually kept lettingh me get some speed and alt, before he came in on me.........i couldn't get to bronks alt ever.....i do admit that i ran for cover of ack repeatedly though :D
they both flew their aircraft nearly flawlessly, while i turned dweebish, and decided i WAS going to kill one of em no matter what it took. it never happened :rofl
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i was like that the other day on a rare occasion i could play.
Had Storch and VWE in MidWar attacking our base and i just went at them like a tool blazing away. They roped and tag teamed my mossy multiple times in their 190 and mossy. (actualy some decent winging tactics) After being shot down by stoch 5 times and and VWE about the same i finally shot off VW's tail. Storch however eluded me the whole night and not only did i miss the easiest 600 yrd shot on him but i let myself get roped like a 2 weeker more than once.
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lol no and no. it just seems bosco thinks e-fighting = cheating, which I disagree with.
I'm not calling it cheating, I havn't all this post. I have been contested by a few, but there is no evidence that shows that I call it cheating.
Heres how the fight went, It wasn't even until about the third merge that he tried to rope climb me in a situation like we were. We already began to slow down, and I expected that he was going to keep a stright fight with me, just like most people do. He immdietly began for the rope stall climb, which I think was a usless way of killing me. I'm not going to object that he killed me, yes he did, its just the fact that you can turn someone and have a good fight, or show that you can use a skill that has no point to a stright up fight.
I think Dedalos was right on this one, I was just a little upset the didn't fight me the way I expected. As for that film Shane, The film was to show that when his skill was turned to use against him, the advantage was turned quickly, just as in the first fight. And what realy is funny, he uses that same skill, that he uses in a 1v1 fight, that he uses in the MA, which again will turn to "MA Menatlity"
I'm not gonna brag, because I havn't fought many people in here, the people that I have fought, we of much more skill than me, both of them I had to fight two totally diffrent ways of stall fighting. One more of rolling sciscors, and the other, more of throttle control, which both worked very effective. I think if I were to choose one over the other, it would be the throttle management; you can get some crazy snapshots, were you thought you were going to get the shot.
I'm going to be honest here, I used to be one of those "E managment dweebs" I know exactly how to use it, and I used to do it efective for a wile there. But when I saw that everytime I got low and slow with someone, I would lose the fight very quickly. I decided to turn to a more, stall fighting wile keeping some E at the same time, which has got me longer fights, and a lot better fights IMO.
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So yeah, learn how to expand your trick book for situations you dont do so well in, but dont then blame someone for using your old method.
To wrap this up we need clear facts.
Did he simply use an E conserving merge to gain the upper hand which countered your aggressive first turn or did he cheat before icon range to gain that advantage?
If he didnt cheat, then you got beat fair and square. Go speak to any of the trainers with the exception of Texture they all will teach you smart energy flying long before complex scissors or overshoots.
bottom line, if there was no cheating before icons you just came up against a style that you were not prepared for and some silly part of your gaming world right now is telling you you only lost because he used a lame tactic. you want to define lame, i could post a session i once had with dealos where he deliberately HO me on the first turn twice in a row. I called him a hotard but refused to get annoyed(what he wanted) i stepped up to the challege and destroyed him 6 times in a row. Not because im better, because i didnt let his 'style of the day' get me down or make me quit after one or two fights. i get on with ded and have fun fights with him, but dont you go thinking he, or any of us, is not capable of 'lame tactics' in a duel if the mood dictates it.
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So yeah, learn how to expand your trick book for situations you dont do so well in, but dont then blame someone for using your old method. this is why i kept comming back at stang and bronk last night...even knowing who they were. i can only get better through trial and error.....
To wrap this up we need clear facts.
Did he simply use an E conserving merge to gain the upper hand which countered your aggressive first turn or did he cheat before icon range to gain that advantage?
If he didnt cheat, then you got beat fair and square. Go speak to any of the trainers with the exception of Texture they all will teach you smart energy flying long before complex scissors or overshoots.
bottom line, if there was no cheating before icons you just came up against a style that you were not prepared for and some silly part of your gaming world right now is telling you you only lost because he used a lame tactic. you want to define lame, i could post a session i once had with dealos where he deliberately HO me on the first turn twice in a row. I called him a hotard but refused to get annoyed(what he wanted) i stepped up to the challege and destroyed him 6 times in a row. Not because im better, because i didnt let his 'style of the day' get me down or make me quit after one or two fights. i get on with ded and have fun fights with him, but dont you go thinking he, or any of us, is not capable of 'lame tactics' in a duel if the mood dictates it.
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this is why i kept comming back at stang and bronk last night...even knowing who they were. i can only get better through trial and error.....
*waves hand*
(http://www.floridaventureblog.com/uploaded_images/jedi-entrepreneur-mind-trick.jpg)
Edit: batty caption is much better. :rofl
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'these are not the dweebs you are looking for'
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NAH.......
t was my own fault. stang actually kept lettingh me get some speed and alt, before he came in on me.........i couldn't get to bronks alt ever.....i do admit that i ran for cover of ack repeatedly though :D
they both flew their aircraft nearly flawlessly, while i turned dweebish, and decided i WAS going to kill one of em no matter what it took. it never happened :rofl
You got to my alt... I just wouldn't let ya get any smash. :devil I also had to kill that zeke 1st. You did well considering the circumstances. The best option you could have done was drag down and force the overshoot. And that dragging through the ack was not nice. You know how long it take to patch them holes? :mad:
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So yeah, learn how to expand your trick book for situations you dont do so well in, but dont then blame someone for using your old method.
To wrap this up we need clear facts.
Did he simply use an E conserving merge to gain the upper hand which countered your aggressive first turn or did he cheat before icon range to gain that advantage?
If he didnt cheat, then you got beat fair and square. Go speak to any of the trainers with the exception of Texture they all will teach you smart energy flying long before complex scissors or overshoots.
bottom line, if there was no cheating before icons you just came up against a style that you were not prepared for and some silly part of your gaming world right now is telling you you only lost because he used a lame tactic. you want to define lame, i could post a session i once had with dealos where he deliberately HO me on the first turn twice in a row. I called him a hotard but refused to get annoyed(what he wanted) i stepped up to the challege and destroyed him 6 times in a row. Not because im better, because i didnt let his 'style of the day' get me down or make me quit after one or two fights. i get on with ded and have fun fights with him, but dont you go thinking he, or any of us, is not capable of 'lame tactics' in a duel if the mood dictates it.
I don't want to say he's a cheat, if I were paying attention to what he was doing, or I had the film to prove it, then I would by all rights call him a cheat on the merge.
I didn't call him out, so it just wasn't that he wanted to beat me, we wanted to have a few rounds of, "fair fighting" which, in my mind at the time, thought it would be a fun fight. We then go back to the "Hornor system" were I thought that it was a know thing that it was going to be a fair and square fight. I never met him, so when I said, "Hey, I'm looking for someone good to fight" I was planning to have a good fight.
Yes Bronk, he did beat me using my old tatic that I used before. did I expect it? No, again, I thought it was going to be a stright fight. Am I calling him a cheat? No, I have no evidence to support that claim, other than from what people said, which can be called as "word of the mouth" which means that somthing can be true, but it can be made up lie, no offence to you guys, its just a fact. Sometimes, you cain't trust what people say, and I don't believe, that its strong enough to keep that claim going. I need film or a screenshot.
Should I have bit my tounge? Of course I should have, and if I were to go back and do it again, I wouldn't have said anything. But with the state of mind I was in, ready for a "good fight" at the time, I would have done it all over again, and it will probably happen again in the future, but then again, it my not. The only thing I said to him was, "Nice rope" which set him off, for some reason, which ultimetly, got me pizzed off. Which would wind me back were I am now, just tring to explain what happend.
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Trust me B, alot of us know what you're talking about. We are on your side for what you are standing for (fair equal fights).
The one thing that doesnt fit is we dont know if huckster cheated or if you just got sucked into a fight you were not expecting. When you say 'straight up fight' I have a hard time understanding how you define that as strictly 'TnB' from the merge and nothing else. There is absolutely no definition that says a duel must be angles only, that is a fallacy produced from exactly this scenario, someone being beat when they didnt expect it in a manner they didnt expect.
I have done this, called out the 'E hoard dueler type' and ranted and raved knowing that my overall ACM knoledge far surpasses them. Then one day i realised.... if it does, why am i losing and why am i getting pissed off?
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Yes Bronk,
How did i get dragged into this? :huh
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You got to my alt... I just wouldn't let ya get any smash. :devil I also had to kill that zeke 1st. You did well considering the circumstances. The best option you could have done was drag down and force the overshoot. And that dragging through the ack was not nice. You know how long it take to patch them holes? :mad:
yep..only that one time though....and i wasn't amle to get up to speed though.,...till i dove again. i was hoping you'd be distracted with that zeke long enough to let me get some speed, and maybe a bit of an angle, although i was warning him also that it "was someone that knows their stuff".
i didn't know what else to do when i dragged ya through the ack. it was a last resort, although i did it to stang too....i kind of hope you'll turn off, and at the same time i might be able to get a bit of alt or come back at ya as you're turning around it. but on the other hand, you only had a few holes to patch. i lost a whole cartoon airplane. my cartoon crew chief wanted to kick my cartoon arse. :rofl
i must commend you and stang both on your gunnery with the p39, as i know i can't hit dirt with the dam thing, and have heard others say it's hard too.
also....thanks for the kind words....you guys, the headhunters, etc., are the kinds of guys that'll come in here, and help us all improve, although, personally, i still think i flew like a noob against both of yas.
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How did i get dragged into this? :huh
oops. :rofl wrong person. Like I said, I don't know, and from what I know, he came to me on the deck, anything before that is what I won't know.
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If you think about it, top speed for many planes is well above corner speed.
So you can have a situation where if A merges at something resembling normal cruising speed and B deliberately dumps some E to get a tight turn on the merge, then B will gain angles on the first turn. This tactic is kind of "artificial" in and of itself IMO, it could almost be considered taking advantage of some tacit assumption that the opposition will simply try to corner as quickly as possible on the merge.
The logical thing to do against this E sacrifice gambit if you recognize it is to switch to positive E tactics. No cheating involved there.
If the opposition is playing fair and didn't bust alt cap, you should be able to get just as much E as him on the merge, and he won't be able to rope you. If he isn't playing fair, find someone else to play with, griefers aren't worth dealing with.
Trust me B, alot of us know what you're talking about. We are on your side for what you are standing for (fair equal fights).
The one thing that doesnt fit is we dont know if huckster cheated or if you just got sucked into a fight you were not expecting. When you say 'straight up fight' I have a hard time understanding how you define that as strictly 'TnB' from the merge and nothing else. There is absolutely no definition that says a duel must be angles only, that is a fallacy produced from exactly this scenario, someone being beat when they didnt expect it in a manner they didnt expect.
I have done this, called out the 'E hoard dueler type' and ranted and raved knowing that my overall ACM knoledge far surpasses them. Then one day i realised.... if it does, why am i losing and why am i getting pissed off?
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If you think about it, top speed for many planes is well above corner speed.
So you can have a situation where if A merges at something resembling normal cruising speed and B deliberately dumps some E to get a tight turn on the merge, then B will gain angles on the first turn. This tactic is kind of "artificial" in and of itself IMO, it could almost be considered taking advantage of some tacit assumption that the opposition will simply try to corner as quickly as possible on the merge.
The logical thing to do against this E sacrifice gambit if you recognize it is to switch to positive E tactics. No cheating involved there.
If the opposition is playing fair and didn't bust alt cap, you should be able to get just as much E as him on the merge, and he won't be able to rope you. If he isn't playing fair, find someone else to play with, griefers aren't worth dealing with.
IMHO, fighting "Up" in a duel is rather cheesy but this is based on the assumption that your opponent is honorable. If you're both full throttle full E at merge then it's a dog fight, IMHO. If the guy chops throttle so he can get around on his first loop/chandelle faster than you I think it's completely reasonable to counter with a vert move. So many varaibles.
In the MA I try to fight "up", at least some, if I can. With multiple cons I feel it only makes sense that you try to bank some E to counter their approaches. There's nothing wrong with getting in the weeds and yanking it around... heck that's a blast! My only beef is that the guys who willingly put themselves there have no business crying that somebody swooped them. It's a furball with a host of differing E-states. *shrug*
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Huckster is a good stick, a good bloke and knows his stuff.
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^that was the impression i got from the duels we had. If Mr P says it then its good by me.
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i was like that the other day on a rare occasion i could play.
Had Storch and VWE in MidWar attacking our base and i just went at them like a tool blazing away. They roped and tag teamed my mossy multiple times in their 190 and mossy. (actualy some decent winging tactics) After being shot down by stoch 5 times and and VWE about the same i finally shot off VW's tail. Storch however eluded me the whole night and not only did i miss the easiest 600 yrd shot on him but i let myself get roped like a 2 weeker more than once.
My only experience with VWE is he HOs.... it'd his only move.
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My only experience with VWE is he HOs.... it'd his only move.
My only experience with storch is that he sure likes to whine a lot when you kick his arse repeatedly. As for VWE, I hardly consider him to be worthy of any challenge and he's more apt to run away and talk crap on open channel than he is to fight.
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in my exprience of actualy fighting people in the game (not the forum) both storch and VW have shown some good flying and proved a good wingman in the Axis vs Allies arena. [shrug]
Yeah JG54 act up as a bunch of skilless self loving griefers intentionaly to piss you guys off, but really there is not one member that i would say cannot put up a good fight.
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in my exprience of actualy fighting people in the game (not the forum) both storch and VW have shown some good flying and proved a good wingman in the Axis vs Allies arena. [shrug]
Yeah JG54 act up as a bunch of skilless self loving griefers intentionaly to piss you guys off, but really there is not one member that i would say cannot put up a good fight.
You should hop into the MW arena sometime and you'll see first hand the 'level' of fighting these two bring to the table. The only 'fighting' storch does with any regularity is the constant crap talk towards other players when he gets shot down, same with VWE. It's gotten to the point that it's really not worth the time to fight these guys because for the 1 minute fight they put up, they whine on open channel for 10 minutes. YMMV.
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infact my original post regarding storch and VW did mention that it was in the MW arena.
If you understand two things about jg54, one being that they laugh like drains about winding people up(no one cared about other squads like this), two being that they dont give a crap about anyone but jg54, then you migh be able to get along with them better. But then clearly you might not want to..its all the same to me. I try to get along with as many types of person as i can handle, why blacken my own fun by caring that everyone sees life differently?
edit: when i shot VW down he just said 'arg you got me tail'. maybe you should look at your own attitude towards certain people to understand why they behave in a certain manner to you?
Infact shuffler was there too complaining about the cherry pickers and hotards, so maybe thats why storch and VW enjoyed themself so much BnZ us?
again, it doesnt matter to me if you dont get along with them. just feeling talkative lately so airing my mind.
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infact my original post regarding storch and VW did mention that it was in the MW arena.
If you understand two things about jg54, one being that they laugh like drains about winding people up(no one cared about other squads like this), two being that they dont give a crap about anyone but jg54, then you migh be able to get along with them better. But then clearly you might not want to..its all the same to me. I try to get along with as many types of person as i can handle, why blacken my own fun by caring that everyone sees life differently?
edit: when i shot VW down he just said 'arg you got me tail'. maybe you should look at your own attitude towards certain people to understand why they behave in a certain manner to you?
Infact shuffler was there too complaining about the cherry pickers and hotards, so maybe thats why storch and VW enjoyed themself so much BnZ us?
again, it doesnt matter to me if you dont get along with them. just feeling talkative lately so airing my mind.
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Never worry about the pickers.... all they are doing is clearing someone's tail. The Hotards as you call them are another thing all together. When you can fight but chose to just Ho your just telling the other fella that you feel he is way better than you are. I have no respect for someone who HOs simply because any 5 year old can do the same. In a game why not try your best to win a fight... worst that can happen is you get a new plane and some experience under your belt. Only time I see a Ho as acceptable is if your single against 3 or more. BTW VWE is muted .... my guess is he was being friendly to folks verbally mechanic.
Oh and mechanic I don't get tweaked..... I just feel sorry for the little fellas. :aok
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rgr that shuff, i couldnt agree more with your ho philosophy, its just that your complaints are like music to their ears, if you know what i mean.
VW muted eh? i bet they had a great laugh getting muted. I think storch is muted too infact, he didnt mock me once after i died to his 190 :)
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I got away from the rope, and dived down. From there he didn't immeditely come down for me, thus, he had a higher E state and alt. advantage. He cam down for the first shot and I reversed him, again, he went back up I just could keep doing what he was doing.
He forced you to fight his fight, and he won. That's pretty much how it's supposed to happen.
What you needed to do was either beat him at his own game, or do something to change the situation. One thing that can help in that situation, is to drive around underneath the other guy as fast as possible, even giving him a position at your high six while you gain airspeed. When he commits his nose down to attack, you turn hard into him but do not pull off all of your speed. After he misses and overshoots, you convert a bit of your speed into altitude and then go back to gaining speed/altitude. Keep doing this until you have enough energy to force the fight into another situation or dive and run the second he overshoots.
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He forced you to fight his fight, and he won. That's pretty much how it's supposed to happen.
I knew that after I foght him. Like I said, I was expecting, in my view, a "Good Fight" and I didn't believe that that was a "Good Fight". I could have definetly fought his game, like I said, I've used his way of fighting before. If I went to another round, I woulda did just that, just do an easy E merge and break him apart when I got more E than him. But, thats not what happend.
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The ability to switch gameplans and recover from tactical mistakes is something that is tough to learn. I have a whole bag of tricks to use when I'm fighting from an energy disadvantage, but I think Drex is the master at that sort of thing.
Good gunnery also helps, because when you're at an energy disadvantage you often only have fleeting snapshots at a receding target. That is also difficult to learn and having a joystick you are very comfortable with can be crucial.
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That was my biggest probelm, when fighting anybody, gunnery skills. When I fought Grizz the other night, he told me somthing, that realy helped out. He showed me were I should set my convergences on all planes, and right now, it works realy well.
Thanks Grizz :D
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That was my biggest probelm, when fighting anybody, gunnery skills. When I fought Grizz the other night, he told me somthing, that realy helped out. He showed me were I should set my convergences on all planes, and right now, it works realy well.
Thanks Grizz :D
WELLLLLLL??????
Seriously, where do you set em right now? i've got em at 400-450 on the hellkitty, all the way out on the 38, 450 i think in the spits, and 250 in the zekes.
that said, my gunnery sucks, as does my ability to void the ho......what used to work doesn't anymore it seems.
as for gunnery, i do ok sorta if i don't have time to aim....like in snapshots.....if i have time to try n line up my target.......well......if he had a biiiig bullseye painted on his arse, i couldn't hit him. :rofl
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Your close on what I have it. I don't want to give much away, but if you see me on, PM me. :)
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Your close on what I have it. I don't want to give much away, but if you see me on, PM me. :)
IS BOSCO your ingame id too?
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cc Bosco.
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Your close on what I have it. I don't want to give much away, but if you see me on, PM me. :)
There is a difference between hitting and actually doing damage. Maybe your setting helps you get hits, but in a DA engagement most shots you will take will be at D200 or less. Guess what convergence setting will do most damage.
I think it should be set to where you will take most shots. If you are chasing runners in the MA 400 and 600 may make sense but if you get into a close fight, you will not be able to do damage in a snapshot. So, find th magic number based on how you play the game. There is no one fits all number.
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I think it should be set to where you will take most shots. If you are chasing runners in the MA 400 and 600 may make sense but if you get into a close fight, you will not be able to do damage in a snapshot. So, find th magic number based on how you play the game. There is no one fits all number.
shhhhh.... let bosco feel super secret important.
:noid
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Your close on what I have it. I don't want to give much away, but if you see me on, PM me. :)
What works for one may not work for another, but even so, I don't understand a statement like this. "You don't want to give too much away", are you afraid the "enemy" may use this information to take over your country, destroy your way of life, rape your sheep ! Come on, spill the beans and let other give it a shot, you may be helping somebody decide to stay in the game because they are having a bit more fun scoring hits. :aok
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What works for one may not work for another, but even so, I don't understand a statement like this. "You don't want to give too much away", are you afraid the "enemy" may use this information to take over your country, destroy your way of life, rape your sheep ! Come on, spill the beans and let other give it a shot, you may be helping somebody decide to stay in the game because they are having a bit more fun scoring hits. :aok
:rolf NEVER!!! :D I rape your sheep all I want to, and there is nothing you can do to stop me :P.
It may not work, but when I know that when your D400 or D200 on a con and when the only thing you have to do is wait for someone to end stright in your crosshairs, its pretty much the easiest thing in the world. I'm still getting used to it, because I had it set to default convergences, I had to use a lot of lead to kill someone. Now, its just point and click.