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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: patspartyvan on October 31, 2008, 03:34:50 AM
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I love this game but the recent news has me stirred.
No CT is a blow to the AH mojo. I feel that loyal long time subscribers have been somehow wronged.
We get no CT. No mention of anything much salvaged from the effort.
In the meantime the game has grown old with meaningful updates a bit slim.
HTC in my opinion your customer relations are not great. I will not elaborate here.
But will humbly suggest that you keep subscribers more up to date on happenings and progress.
Long silences / no news then failure to deliver are annoying.
Please keep us informed at least monthly of progress on terrain upgrades, character animation, H2H and any other dated parts of the game engine that you may be ‘overhauling’.
I know that now begins a round of in posts. A few oh know how you dare say that type posts.
We shall see….will the thread be locked. What rules might have been transgressed?
Will this post remain here?
Might I get some kind of feedback from HTC or better hitech himself…….
Am I alone here or do others feel the same?
Yours in frustration and a little anger
Pat
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people would show you a little more respect if you didn't post with a shade.
More focus on the game we all play is very much welcome in my eyes. I'm sure Htc will make up for it IN no time.
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I expect that we will see a big improvement over a short period of time. I think and hope that the biggest improvement will be in scenarios.
I wish HTC had done this a year ago, because i will be unable to play for the next year or so when all the cool stuff happens. I blame the bearded one. :mad:
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I dont feel that HTC let us down in anyway, im just hoping these news means upgrades for AH2.
What i would like to see is, a major engine overhaul and new graphics, to bring the game up to date (and i dont mean top notch graphics, just some improvements to current ones)
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To much time wasted on CT to be honest.
Who wants to shoot down AI, really who ? players vs CPU is so last decade.
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Mabye yes Mabye no.........................I think running around shooting AI drones would get pretty boring pretty quick.... There is only going to be a few players who are really upset by this.. Any one new to the game wont even know the differance.....I mean what whould channel 200 look like. you cant talk to drones.....
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Shotting down AI is no different than shooting down a lot of the players nowadays. It would sorta suck to find out the great fight you had was with a piece of software rather than a human, but not knowing isn't going to keep me awake at night.. What matters is that I had a good fight. AI is boring because it always fights the same, and there's no way that CT would've been like that (given the AI variations and humans flying in the mix) without actualy flying CT.
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Yeah I'm pretty disappointed too but I dont feel the need to post in shade :D
But it was a tall order in the first place wth so few people I suppose and constantly updating people on how it was going when its not going well would be the equilvent of are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet from the back of the car :lol
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In the end, nothing beats this line the OP posted.
Long silences / no news then failure to deliver are annoying.
Indeed.
Long silence, no news, people are asked to be patient and trust the developers. And then bam. Out of the blue, it's "on hold indefinately", which usually equates to "cancelled" for the most part.
Yes, having more time to develop AH2 to better the game is a good thing. But its an irrelevant point really. The OP is upset over what happened, not what will happen - and what has happened is a real disappointmnet and a shock to many, no denying that fact.
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I wish for a more tough and stiff flight model
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I got into this game in hopes of playing CT and really would have liked to have checked it out. But in the short 3 or so years that i've been a subscriber, the game has changed alot. Split arenas, new planes & GVs, killer ack :lol , textures...etc, and I've always, always found the staff to be helpful with any questions or concerns i've had.
IMO 14.95 a month for game play 24/7 is outstanding! And I'll cut them some slack on this one. I never played CT so I don't miss it.
So...now that I sucked up to HTC, bring on that pony with cannons!!! :lol :salute
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I blame the bearded one. :mad:
Santa :O ?
:lol
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I love this game but the recent news has me stirred.
No CT is a blow to the AH mojo. I feel that loyal long time subscribers have been somehow wronged.
We get no CT. No mention of anything much salvaged from the effort.
In the meantime the game has grown old with meaningful updates a bit slim.
HTC in my opinion your customer relations are not great. I will not elaborate here.
But will humbly suggest that you keep subscribers more up to date on happenings and progress.
Long silences / no news then failure to deliver are annoying.
Please keep us informed at least monthly of progress on terrain upgrades, character animation, H2H and any other dated parts of the game engine that you may be ‘overhauling’.
I know that now begins a round of in posts. A few oh know how you dare say that type posts.
We shall see….will the thread be locked. What rules might have been transgressed?
Will this post remain here?
Might I get some kind of feedback from HTC or better hitech himself…….
Am I alone here or do others feel the same?
Yours in frustration and a little anger
Pat
I agree.
people would show you a little more respect if you didn't post with a shade.
:rofl
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I love this game but the recent news has me stirred.
No CT is a blow to the AH mojo. I feel that loyal long time subscribers have been somehow wronged.
We get no CT. No mention of anything much salvaged from the effort.
In the meantime the game has grown old with meaningful updates a bit slim.
HTC in my opinion your customer relations are not great. I will not elaborate here.
But will humbly suggest that you keep subscribers more up to date on happenings and progress.
Long silences / no news then failure to deliver are annoying.
Please keep us informed at least monthly of progress on terrain upgrades, character animation, H2H and any other dated parts of the game engine that you may be ‘overhauling’.
I know that now begins a round of in posts. A few oh know how you dare say that type posts.
We shall see….will the thread be locked. What rules might have been transgressed?
Will this post remain here?
Might I get some kind of feedback from HTC or better hitech himself…….
Am I alone here or do others feel the same?
Yours in frustration and a little anger
Pat
dunno who ya really are, but i get the feeling you're just looking for somethign to whine about.
if you've been a long time player, then you obviously enjoy something about this game. as for CT.....whelp.....we never had it, and we've all been playing without it, so i fail to see just how it is a loss?
i've been playing for 2 or 3 years now. the "2 weeks" thing was old when i started, as i had read all the threads on ct. i pretty much had come to the conclusion that it had been years, hadn't happened, and thusly wasn't going to happen. i imagine quite a few others did too.
now, htc's customer relations? i've only needed to call them on the phone 2 or 3 times, and their helpfulness was nothing short of perfect. they were able to answer any/all questions i had, and took care of my small problems too.
through email, i only contacted them one time......same result.
just keep doing as you have been all along,,,,,,,,have fun.
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cap he isn't complaining about HTC customer service. Which incidentally, I agree is pretty damn good.
As for CT, never had it so won't miss it. But ...... it was promised and was given as a reason why development of the core game was slow. I see his point.
wipass
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I'm not disappointed at all. Frankly I'm just thankful that we have a flight sim that is well monitored and plays very well in mho for a measley 15 bucks. Any updates or additions are just pure bonus to me.
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HTC's customer service is outstanding....skuzzy has allways been very helpfull
As far as the death of TOD or CT whatever you want to call it, I am disappointed because I was looking forward to some high altitude combat. If you have ever had a dogfight at 28,000 ft you understand just how challenging it is. Sadly I guess we are stuck flying in the trees for all eternity. I credit HTC for trying hard and dreaming "big". Unlike Air Warrior which never tried to do anything for anybody.
I salute HTC.
<plays Taps for TOD>
Helm ...out
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I love this game but the recent news has me stirred.
No CT is a blow to the AH mojo. I feel that loyal long time subscribers have been somehow wronged.
We get no CT. No mention of anything much salvaged from the effort.
In the meantime the game has grown old with meaningful updates a bit slim.
HTC in my opinion your customer relations are not great. I will not elaborate here.
But will humbly suggest that you keep subscribers more up to date on happenings and progress.
Long silences / no news then failure to deliver are annoying.
Please keep us informed at least monthly of progress on terrain upgrades, character animation, H2H and any other dated parts of the game engine that you may be ‘overhauling’.
I know that now begins a round of in posts. A few oh know how you dare say that type posts.
We shall see….will the thread be locked. What rules might have been transgressed?
Will this post remain here?
Might I get some kind of feedback from HTC or better hitech himself…….
Am I alone here or do others feel the same?
Yours in frustration and a little anger
Pat
im with ya 100%%%%%%%
id be happy as a 5 year old with car keys if they would just post more news or what not on the front page
the silence is killing me too.........
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I love this game but the recent news has me stirred.
No CT is a blow to the AH mojo. I feel that loyal long time subscribers have been somehow wronged.
We get no CT. No mention of anything much salvaged from the effort.
In the meantime the game has grown old with meaningful updates a bit slim.
HTC in my opinion your customer relations are not great. I will not elaborate here.
But will humbly suggest that you keep subscribers more up to date on happenings and progress.
Long silences / no news then failure to deliver are annoying.
Please keep us informed at least monthly of progress on terrain upgrades, character animation, H2H and any other dated parts of the game engine that you may be ‘overhauling’.
I know that now begins a round of in posts. A few oh know how you dare say that type posts.
We shall see….will the thread be locked. What rules might have been transgressed?
Will this post remain here?
Might I get some kind of feedback from HTC or better hitech himself…….
Am I alone here or do others feel the same?
Yours in frustration and a little anger
Pat
Your disappointed? Consider the time and effort HTC invested in bringing CT to market, only to be shelved for the foreseeable future.
As one who attended the Q&A at the Con, I can safely say that Hitech and Pyro are keenly aware of the need to keep the customer base happy. As Pyro said, there are a lot of ideas and projects in the "garage" which may eventually be blended into the game. The overriding issue is maintaining balance...some new game aspect may make 75% of the players happy while leaving the rest wearing frowns. Personally I trust HTC to do what's best for the game.
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It's not dead, they just said they don't have the resources to finish it at this point.
I personaly don't care about the lack of development news and don't see what the big freakin deal is. The only thing I don't like is having so few additions to the planeset anymore, and having news (or not) about what they're working on makes no difference with that. Everyone who's played the game and has pays a minimum of attention will know that HTC work their butt off on whatever it is they're doing.
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...Out of the blue, it's "on hold indefinately", which usually equates to "cancelled" for the most part.
You sure? HTC gave news that H2H was closed indefinitely, and look what news we received just a few days ago? Yes, I know, they didn't say when. They did mention, though, that they were going to try to bring it back.
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I expect that we will see a big improvement over a short period of time. I think and hope that the biggest improvement will be in scenarios.
I wish HTC had done this a year ago, because i will be unable to play for the next year or so when all the cool stuff happens. I blame the bearded one. :mad:
What's Santa have to do with this?
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I'd rather have CT released when it is what HTC envisions, anything less isn't what they wanted. I don't play this game because of what it could be, but for what it is.
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I wish for a more tough and stiff flight model
Instead of flying nakid, strap on some more leather.
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Considering myself to be a "bread and butter" subscriber, since 2002. I'm not disappointed about CT being shelved. A little disappointed that time / resources were focused elsewhere for so long but then again if we were all blessed with "hindsite" we'd all by lottery winners. The benefit of doubt is dually granted. So it didn't pan out as expected.....big deal.
CT never kept me here and I had mixed feelings as to it's viability in the first place. At least now we know where the resources are focused.
Look at it this way. Say CT was a massive success and HTC sold out for $5,000000 to IEA or what ever. HTC flying off to the beaches every weekend in his very own corsair while we get shat on big style by a gaming company.
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No mention of anything much salvaged from the effort.
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Long silences / no news then failure to deliver are annoying.
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Pat
Quoting Pyro:
"What this all means for now is that we are going to focus on core game development. We’re going to pull the CT AI mission system and redevelop it for use by CM’s in scenarios and special events. We’re working on new terrain upgrades in both the technology and the art used. We want to implement a character animation system. We want to bring back the old 8 player H2H but expand it both in the number of players and with additional gameplay capabilities. There’s a lot of systems in the game engine that are dated and in need of overhaul."
That sounds like news to me and they in fact did salvage something.
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I wish for a more tough and stiff flight model
What in the world is it that has people convinced that all WWII fighters handled like unstable death-traps? AHII airplanes will certainly stall/spin and put you into the ground if you push them too far.
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I love this game but the recent news has me stirred.
No CT is a blow to the AH mojo. I feel that loyal long time subscribers have been somehow wronged.
We get no CT. No mention of anything much salvaged from the effort.
In the meantime the game has grown old with meaningful updates a bit slim.
This is from Pyro's update:
The way we’ve been going has been like trying to fight a two front war with only one army. It’s stretched us too thin and has hurt our overall level of productivity. It also has handcuffed us in a lot of our development decisions by forcing us to indefinitely postpone a lot of other things.
So no, you can't have regular game updates and CT at the same time. One or the other, personally I welcome this change in direction and look foward to some of the things they have in store for us.
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When I first heard about CT the first thought that crossed my mind was "that sounds stupid... guess I won't be trying that".
Personally, I don't see why you'd want to substantially change something that's been working for almost two decades. Refine it, tweak it yes. Mess with the fundamentals no.
For the OP... Don't be sad:
(http://lc.fdots.com/cc/lc/0a/0aed17d0c4643a1cade3040bbf00fc4f.jpg)
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The way I took the announcement was that they are going to incorporate some of the CT elements into the game and that by updating the game itself, CT elements will be tested and developed that way rather than as a stand alone project.
Makes sense to me. Putting some of the CT ideas into the scenarios and snapshots might actually help the eventual development of CT.
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I'd like to see the Combat Tour BB changed to "On The Table", Or "Work In Progress"
It would be great to have a once a month progress report of a new plane, GV, or terrain tile, so we would see that something is going on. We all know that HTC is working, but even seeing a post is something to stay excited about, as opposed to months of nothing.
Once it's posted lock the thread, since someone is bound to complain about whatever they do anyway.
At the end of the month, or however long it takes, they could give us a game update, implementing the item into the game.
I personally would rather get a new plane as soon as it's done, as opposed to having to wait for 3 or 4, but I'm impatient.
There are probably things that they want to keep secret, to protect there intellectual property, but for planes and that sort of thing, i think it would be great.
Edit: I'm not disappointed, i just like staying in the loop.
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Though I was disappointed that CT ain't gonna happen, I was expecting it. The lack of screenshots or news posts concerning it led me to believe it wasn't going to happen, though some members were in serious denial over it being so 'secret.' Anyways, I kept playing the game because the way it is, not what it could be down the road. If I did the latter, I wouldn't be throwing my $15 at it and I would resubscribe when CT did come out.
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What in the world is it that has people convinced that all WWII fighters handled like unstable death-traps? AHII airplanes will certainly stall/spin and put you into the ground if you push them too far.
Planes were never as touchy as they are (Default) in the game. You had more play in the stick, tough so to speak. Panos, you can dampin the controls to get that tough feeling I believe...
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I think HT and Pyro are doing an outstanding job. It's not hard to see that they have been overstretched in trying to get CT out. For anyone to complain about it is on the BBS is immature IMHO. If you have a beef with HT then email them. They have great Customer Service. You have to contact them to see that... of course you just make blatantly mistaken claims instead.
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I would have to agree with the IN part! :noid
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It's not dead, they just said they don't have the resources to finish it at this point.
I personaly don't care about the lack of development news and don't see what the big freakin deal is. The only thing I don't like is having so few additions to the planeset anymore, and having news (or not) about what they're working on makes no difference with that. Everyone who's played the game and has pays a minimum of attention will know that HTC work their butt off on whatever it is they're doing.
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I couldn't agree more!! CT isn't gone entirely and given the resources that are required to push it forward I'd say HTC has made a tough decision.Are some going to be disappointed,sure,will the game improve,yes. I think if everyone just sits back and waits awhile,we're sure to see plenty implented.I mean who doesn't want to see more new planes,better graphics,ect.I'm almost positive the decision was made to shelve CT,for now,so more attention could be paid to these upgrades...
How many are going to complain when their most requested plane is added?? :aok
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you cant talk to drones.....
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AW used to have drone C-47s flying in supplies to damaged bases and factories. Every once in awhile, you'd see players that just shot down one of these drones get up on open channel and start taunting the drone without realizing it wasn't a player but AI.
ack-ack
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People have been hanging on for ct for years , we have beem asking for updates to be told wind yer neck in ...
Im sorry if this isnt the fan boy line but i feel that HTC has been stringing us along for a few years on ct , so now that they have dumped it , why will things in the future be any different?
If however they seem fit to let us the paying customer know what is going on ..well then thats a different story ......just my tuppence ....
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I dont understand why you all dont know how much of a failure CT would have been.
There is not a single flight sim, where you cannot do exactly* what CT would have allowed you to do.
You would take up a plane spot, and be auto flown to a combat area, THEN you would encounter a little combat,THEN be instantly back on the field again.
If you want to know how CT would have been, just fly a offline mission. Period.
Stail like 3 year old bread right out of the oven, and HTC can see this, and so could all the beta testers.
So heaven forbid THEY know whats going on more than someone with no clue.
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I'd like somebody to point me to a place where HTC said they "promised" CT. They announced a new game that they where going to build. Unfortunately they ran into problems and resource issues so they have put it on the back burner and will concentrate on tweaking AH2. And so they are taking crap for shelving a work in progress...... and people wonder why they don't announce stuff more often. Maybe its because should they run into problems they have to put up with all the crying!
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Maybe its because should they run into problems they have to put up with all the crying!
"replace one worry with another"
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people would show you a little more respect if you didn't post with a shade.
More focus on the game we all play is very much welcome in my eyes. I'm sure Htc will make up for it IN no time.
Man up and post with your real gameid (if you have one). My guess is that you are a troll from "brand X' MMOG combat flight sim.
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also, HT may be able to some features of CT and work them into AH. All in all, I'm glad HTC is again focusing it's attention to the game at hand. It will only improve the game we are playing now, don't see anything wrong with that.
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doh, had both pages up at once, got my quotes confused. :uhoh
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I believe Patspartyvan and expat are the same individual, and go by "pat", as the first post is signed. It appears as though he's already manned up.
I'm guessing your guess sucks.
Hubsonfire... It is really annoying when one has to explain that ones post was in jest...
:lol :lol :lol<sound of 155mm round going overhead>:lol :lol :lol
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And it shouldn't be much of a surprise that CT has been shelved "indefinitely". It's taken a few years now, and how many of the 98(ish?) planes are updated models? How long will it take to get them all updated? How long will a new terrain setup, gameplay changes, AI in SEA (what's the record attendance in the SEA? Do you dare release half-assed AI to those guys, after all the work they put into making your game appeal to folks, if you're HTC?) New models? The lighting, damage models, all the things that haven't changed much in years- how long will that take even with no CT sucking resources?
I hate to see a project that's presumably taken a lot of time and effort fail, but it seemed a superhuman effort to do everything they've said they'd like to. I'm just hoping that the pace of things actually does improve. The pace of things has really been a disappointment, and I'm sure a lot of folks, even if they won't come out and say, are glad that CT is stillborn because of that.
But whatever- I just want to fly cartoon airplanes and blow toejam up.
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But whatever- I just want to fly cartoon airplanes and blow poop up.
best line on this topic.
<S>
zuii
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"patspartyvan" = another useless shades account.
Whiner.
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I wouldn't be surprised if in the next few weeks we start seeing some new things being shown that will be added or updated to the game soon.
ack-ack
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Simple answer..... Don't subscribe. Not being my basic smart prettythang but it is WWII and there are many events, squads and things to do. I have a blast playing :rock
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I think the decision to stick with the basics and main game is a good one. I lived through the evolution of a great game, Delta Force/Black Hawk down by Novalogic. It had a great following and was a First Person Shooter. Then Nova got a great idea and developed Joint Ops. It added tanks, Personnel carriers, ATV's Dirt bikes, boats, choppers etc. It seemed like a great game at first but was full of bugs. Nova couldn't keep up with it and wound up losing their loyal base. AHII should remain a flight sim primarilly. Tanks and other land vehicles are cute but it isn't what the loyal players signed up for.
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I've seen a lot of "pilots" who wouldn't have anything to do if it weren't for the "cute" gv's.
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To much time wasted on CT to be honest.
Who wants to shoot down AI, really who ? players vs CPU is so last decade.
Exactly. :aok
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AW used to have drone C-47s flying in supplies to damaged bases and factories. Every once in awhile, you'd see players that just shot down one of these drones get up on open channel and start taunting the drone without realizing it wasn't a player but AI.
ack-ack
Remember the night the drones talked? LMAO! :)
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/Dnf1.jpg)
LOL. The standard by which all games in delayed development will be judged.
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I do love seeing a dweeb toss out that "paying customer" card. Here's a clue for you cupcake...CT never had any subscribers. You never paid for CT and you never lost a penny on it. CT was never going to be a part of AH. It was to be a total separate game. CT was never to be about current AH players. It was aimed at new segment of players....box-type RPG players.
If anyone lost money on CT...it was HTC.
Frankly, Dale deserves kudos for being willing to admit that he was not going to be able to pull CT off. In the end...AH will be better sooner because of this.
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A wise man once said something to the effect of "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk; that will teach you to keep your mouth shut". A lot of folks thought CT was going to happen, and some may have remained subscribers over a period of years simply to help support what they believed was going to be a game that would really be released. Now, whether or not those expectations were realistic isn't really the point- they were told it was coming, and it was being developed and tested, and they hung around. The game isn't going to be released, and where did they learn this- from HTC or from other customers on the forums or in game? Not a good move, IMO- if you're going to give someone bad news, give it directly, not through the grapevine.
In that regard, the folks who may have hung around waiting for CT have some cause for disappointment. I'm not sure that the forum is the right place to vent those concerns, but there's no real point in trying to cut those guys down. It may not have been apparent to them that CT wasn't going to happen in the foreseeable future, and I honestly think it would have been a better move, from a business standpoint, to be open about that.
HT didn't lose money on CT, his customers did.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy to see CT scrapped, especially considering the fact that the game I pay for could be better if not for the time and effort devoted CT, but things could have been handled better on their end, and now you're bashing customers who were misled, and that's not very cool either.
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i think HTC is the shiznitt, they put out the greatest WW2 combat sim there is, they are IMNSHO, deserving Kudos for the job they have done so far, and it does not matter if CT ever comes out, i was gonna try it, but i dont think furballs would have been a big part of it.
ether way im a AHer for as long as i can see the monitor, and hold a stick.
<S> to those at HTC
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If anyone lost money on CT...it was HTC.
Frankly, Dale deserves kudos for being willing to admit that he was not going to be able to pull CT off. In the end...AH will be better sooner because of this.
Well said !
Good point Sir !
Phil / OPP7755
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Just want to say...
Lets not forget that we have a good FLIGHT SIM game here !
We have a "full plate" and we are still complaining / whining ? :(
Any computer game, you will always have room for improvement.
Time heals many things. We have a right to express concerns BUT we have to understand HT's side of things. Things are being done for certain reasons...
They have accomplished lots...
Salute to the team !
Phil / OPP7755
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was wondering what game engine aces high 2 used, the DX model, shader number. any chance theyd be using the newer game engines? i think the graphics can go a lot better. i love the mid level clouds that are close to the ground, around 4-5k, very surreal. the one at 15k should be a little thicker and not uniform all throughout. i dont recall seeing that kind of cloud cover at 15k. but hey, great job so far HTC. but i still complain why 40 M8 hits on a wirbles' turret doesnt kill it? i only get assists!
sample engine that I LOVE and is multi-platform, DX9:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frostbite_Engine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frostbite_Engine)
http://developer.amd.com/assets/Andersson-Tatarchuk-FrostbiteRenderingArchitecture(GDC07_AMD_Session).pdf (http://developer.amd.com/assets/Andersson-Tatarchuk-FrostbiteRenderingArchitecture(GDC07_AMD_Session).pdf)
wonder how much it costs to license this or if it is even available for licensing. just an idea what better graphics are available out there.. lastly, you wouldn't need a top-of-the-line PC to run this engine, it only needs an old model R600 series ATI card, Radeon 2000-3000.
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I will resist the temptation to address some who have posted in this thread so far.
Many of your comments digress from the subject then make personal and judgemental type comments.
I posted with a shade yes…and in reflection feel it was a reasonable expression of my frustration given recent gossip then announcements. However look at the posts some of you put your names to…
As a result I reserve the right to berate you later.
An analogy perhaps…to help those in the line of players that await their turn at the front of the line kissing HTC backsides then return to the back of the line where they criticise anybody that won’t join the line.
I pay for my three course meal on a regular basis. I love the restaurant and the chef has a progressive menu that steadily increases in depth. Although the restaurant is not the prettiest nor is the menu the most fully featured the food is solid and the place has a good vibe (still some tools but you get those in any crowd). Then the chef says he’ll add an extra buffet to the menu. In the meantime the regular menu variety will be cut down while they work on the new buffet. Then after remaining a patron throughout the cutback menu I hear though word on the grapevine after talk round some campfire that there will be no buffet. Chef needs to go back to the kitchen and fix the basic routine up. Then there is official notice from the kitchen that the rumour is true…no buffet. There is official word (like there was of the buffet) that some things can be salvaged from the buffet menu and the old menu will come back just like it was before…you know yeah it’s a while like it was way back then.
Some say that’s ok we never had a buffet so it’s no loss.
Others say it’s great we can get back the old way things are done.
And I shall bite my tongue n’ say no more at this time.
Pat not Malone
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An analogy perhaps…to help those in the line of players that await their turn at the front of the line kissing HTC backsides then return to the back of the line where they criticise anybody that won’t join the line.
Like you just did?
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Like I just did?
Sir I neither joined that line nor was critical of those not wanting in on the brown nose line
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Your brown nose line is the disgruntled "where's my entitlement" customer circle jerk.
It's just a game. HTC are doing their best. That's the best you could ask from them.
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I feel that you miss my point about the line and those in it.... its about the culture of trying to bash those that ever dare to even hint at criticism of HTC in any way.
And all that i asked for was...'Please keep us informed at least monthly of progress on terrain upgrades, character animation, H2H and any other dated parts of the game engine that you may be ‘overhauling’.'
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Well, you're safe behind the shade. Go ahead and give an example of these people, and show they're so prevalent as to warrant this rant.
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I never subscribed for the promise of CT.
I never kept my subscription going for 6 months of inactivity for the promise of CT.
I did both because this is without a doubt the best MMOL flight sim I've ever seen. I stumbled across it when I was searching for combat simulators and being MMOL wasn't even a requirement. I was hooked within the first few days and started subscribing after one week.
I don't feel ripped off one bit. Am glad that HTC have decided to dedicate more time and resources to development of the core game? You bet your sweet bellybutton I am!
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is tongue on the menu......mmmmmm
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I think the decision to stick with the basics and main game is a good one. I lived through the evolution of a great game, Delta Force/Black Hawk down by Novalogic. It had a great following and was a First Person Shooter. Then Nova got a great idea and developed Joint Ops. It added tanks, Personnel carriers, ATV's Dirt bikes, boats, choppers etc. It seemed like a great game at first but was full of bugs. Nova couldn't keep up with it and wound up losing their loyal base. AHII should remain a flight sim primarilly. Tanks and other land vehicles are cute but it isn't what the loyal players signed up for.
I consider myself a loyal player, and I perfer GVs like many others. Not sure where you are getting your information from.
I think you would be surprised of the number of dedicated GV players.
Just my opinion,
Fred
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patspartyvan
or who ever, doesn't much matter to me. Another analogy would be to stay with a nagging wife in the hope she stops nagging. If AHII was the nagging wife and CT was the hope then I could understand your disappointment.
I think HTC deserves a little slack here. OK, it hasn't panned out like they thought. Did they deliberately set out to court your affections with false promises or were they genuine of their initial courtship.
Lots change in time mate. Sure it's disappointing but not everything goes to plan. Hindsite is a wonderfull thing but like yours I'm sure HTC's balls ain't crystal.
Personally I'm disappointed that their efforts were focused on CT rather than the core game but from it we will see further developments and I think it's fair to understand HTC's position, as a small business.
Objectively
1)HTC shouldn't do a blogg locked or otherwise. Folk will only make a thread of it and as previously stated... "are we there yet".
2)We're in for the long haul again. These changes / developments will take time to implement.
3)Don't expect any new planes to soon :cry they are going to re-do the game engine to align with technology. Going to give the CM's some new toys which can only enhance FSO's and scenario's. (bet CM's load in some bad bellybutton AI fighters :lol)
4)Expect to see some energy / focus put on the expanded old 8 player as AH goes head to head with IL-2. (good luck HTC..good move :aok)
5)Expect to see AH multi functional and not just the MA's. By that I mean to say, reading through the lines, that they are going to cater for everyone. Us old die hards in the MA's. Graphic hungry scenario players in expanded (more than 8 ) old 8 player & special events.
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Well, you're safe behind the shade. Go ahead and give an example of these people, and show they're so prevalent as to warrant this rant.
He won't, because his haven't dropped yet.
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HTC's customer service is outstanding....skuzzy has allways been very helpfull
As far as the death of TOD or CT whatever you want to call it, I am disappointed because I was looking forward to some high altitude combat. If you have ever had a dogfight at 28,000 ft you understand just how challenging it is. Sadly I guess we are stuck flying in the trees for all eternity. I credit HTC for trying hard and dreaming "big". Unlike Air Warrior which never tried to do anything for anybody.
I salute HTC.
<plays Taps for TOD>
Helm ...out
Helm have you checked out FSO? Lots of 20k+ action in there.
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I will resist the temptation to address some who have posted in this thread so far.
Many of your comments digress from the subject then make personal and judgemental type comments.
I posted with a shade yes…and in reflection feel it was a reasonable expression of my frustration given recent gossip then announcements. However look at the posts some of you put your names to…
As a result I reserve the right to berate you later.
An analogy perhaps…to help those in the line of players that await their turn at the front of the line kissing HTC backsides then return to the back of the line where they criticise anybody that won’t join the line.
I pay for my three course meal on a regular basis. I love the restaurant and the chef has a progressive menu that steadily increases in depth. Although the restaurant is not the prettiest nor is the menu the most fully featured the food is solid and the place has a good vibe (still some tools but you get those in any crowd). Then the chef says he’ll add an extra buffet to the menu. In the meantime the regular menu variety will be cut down while they work on the new buffet. Then after remaining a patron throughout the cutback menu I hear though word on the grapevine after talk round some campfire that there will be no buffet. Chef needs to go back to the kitchen and fix the basic routine up. Then there is official notice from the kitchen that the rumour is true…no buffet. There is official word (like there was of the buffet) that some things can be salvaged from the buffet menu and the old menu will come back just like it was before…you know yeah it’s a while like it was way back then.
Some say that’s ok we never had a buffet so it’s no loss.
Others say it’s great we can get back the old way things are done.
And I shall bite my tongue n’ say no more at this time.
Pat not Malone
SO the "chef" while fully intending to build his buffet can not get some of the ingredients for his buffet, and sees his kitchen not running as smoothly as he would like cancels his buffet and re-engages fully in his main menu. This you know will improve the main menu and help you to enjoy your meals more. How could you feel "wronged"?
The announcement was given by the owner of the company at the convention, and then announced the second "workday" after the convention (they needed a day to correct the spelling). So you feel slighted because you didn't get the world with the con goers. Lifes rough! Thats one of the pluses of going to the con, getting inside info, early release info, and general BS info. So lets take it out on HTC for giving those people who went over and above in there support by attending the con in these money strapped times the info first.
Also by hiding behind a shade it take a bunch of "credibility" AWAY from anything you have to say on the boards. You said "However look at the posts some of you put your names to… As a result I reserve the right to berate you later. ". While some of the posts that have been posted may have been asinine, or stupid, at least those people signed their statements and stand behind them. You on the other hand must hide behind your shade and shout drivel to the masses and expect reasonable responses.
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And all that i asked for was...'Please keep us informed at least monthly of progress on terrain upgrades, character animation, H2H and any other dated parts of the game engine that you may be ‘overhauling’.'
Ummm... isn't that exactly what they do when they announce new additions to the game via the homepage of the web-site?
Those annoucements in some cases are being made 4-6 weeks in advance and just look at the anticipation when they are made. The BBs lights up.
Now those are solid announcements. The work is largely done as they post screen shots as previews. Imagine the backlash if one of those never materialized in the game. And now you want them to annouce "future" plans monthly and suffer more threads like this one? I bet they learned their lesson with CT.
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I've complained of the same thing, well almost the same thing...
Updates come very slow, and each vehicle/aircraft is a breath of fresh air... BUT they come SO slowly.... hell the temp still has no stick in the cockpit, and the b26's gear STILL dives through the concrete under breaking, and we cant seem to get a control yoke in the B-26 which i love to fly very much.
I believe the f4f's gear still dissapears when its retracted, and the ju88 still looks like a plane out of the Atari era...
Lots of money flowing, and not much action, and when there is an update it is made heavily on the side of fantasy
(i.e. the m4 of death introduced with the british gun, when the t34 was introduced with a pea shooter)
Still not an A-26 in this game, still not bigger bomber hangers, and STILL not a B-29 without the nuke and perked heavily...
Im just saying there are alotof war winners that just havent made it in.
And Ct is gone...GONE????? wtf?
Guys we pay alot of money to play this game, and I enjoy it, but this lawn chair action has to stop, and I think with 9 months of heavy revamp we could have somthing truly GREAT.
but what do I know......? im just a poge
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Still not an A-26 in this game, still not bigger bomber hangers, and STILL not a B-29 without the nuke and perked heavily...
Im just saying there are alotof war winners that just havent made it in.
Arms-race mentality.
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I've complained of the same thing, well almost the same thing...
Updates come very slow, and each vehicle/aircraft is a breath of fresh air... BUT they come SO slowly.... hell the temp still has no stick in the cockpit, and the b26's gear STILL dives through the concrete under breaking, and we cant seem to get a control yoke in the B-26 which i love to fly very much.
I believe the f4f's gear still dissapears when its retracted, and the ju88 still looks like a plane out of the Atari era...
Lots of money flowing, and not much action, and when there is an update it is made heavily on the side of fantasy
(i.e. the m4 of death introduced with the british gun, when the t34 was introduced with a pea shooter)
Still not an A-26 in this game, still not bigger bomber hangers, and STILL not a B-29 without the nuke and perked heavily...
Im just saying there are alotof war winners that just havent made it in.
And Ct is gone...GONE????? wtf?
Guys we pay alot of money to play this game, and I enjoy it, but this lawn chair action has to stop, and I think with 9 months of heavy revamp we could have somthing truly GREAT.
but what do I know......? im just a poge
Rubbish complaint with an entitlement whine to top it off.
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Arms-race mentality.
I believe that's how wars are won? Countries with fewer planes, fewer tanks, fewer batleships didn't win WWII. And AH2 offering itself as a "premier WWII combat experience" should include at the minimum the prominent armaments that were available during the war. How can it be a premier WWII experience when you can't experience the nuke blast in your base!!!!
People like me(blow-up stuff mentals) who don't last 2.38secs in a dogfight and get shot down after 1 turn(run into a tree) should have the option to spend 500 perks on a nuke to even things up a bit!
mwahahahahahahaha!
40SkiZzo
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add b29 and nukes = ruin game
you kids are xbox dorks :salute
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add b29 and nukes = ruin game
you kids are xbox dorks :salute
I think these 40 guys are little more than troll, here and in the MA. Something not quite right with them.
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add b29 and nukes = ruin game
you kids are xbox dorks :salute
.. your personal opinion is obviously only one of hundreds that matter. i would appreciate if you could offer a more substantive response than a hollow statement and a name-call to end it. and how is my post a troll?
it seriously reflects poorly on your name, and more importantly your squad. calling kids "dorks" doesnt really set a good example does it.
from your code of conduct page: "Members of the squadron should always strive to promote the 412th Fighter Squadron in a positive manner.."
i know there's more serious name calling on channel 200, and frankly i blow off and do worse to bullys when i'm hit with it (ask sunsfan). furthermore, i know i shouldn't expect much from interweb social interactions, as it mostly is cheap, save for the few relationships that i develop that are meaningful.
again, respect and :salute to everyone.
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I think these 40 guys are little more than troll, here and in the MA. Something not quite right with them.
wow, lynx, i expected better from you. having flown as a rook quite a few times and you being in the combat area. how is it that we are trolls? all of us? do you even know how i am trolling? here and in the MA?
you slander a squad and you dont even provide facts. come on. you've been accused of cheating in a previous thread, which i think is just preposterous. please don't make that persons mistake too.
and something not quite right with "them?" please save my squaddies, if theres something not right its me. im clinically schizophrenic, so on that note you are straight on target. like your IL2.
40SkiZzo
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I believe that's how wars are won? Countries with fewer planes, fewer tanks, fewer batleships didn't win WWII. And AH2 offering itself as a "premier WWII combat experience" should include at the minimum the prominent armaments that were available during the war. How can it be a premier WWII experience when you can't experience the nuke blast in your base!!!!
First off, Aces High is not a war.
Next up, we HAVE, for the most part, the 'prominent' armaments that were available during the war, for the United States. The US is the only country with not only 1, but 2 4 engined heavy bombers; the UK being the only other with any at all. The US also has the most medium bombers of any country in the game, as well as the most single engined light bombers, and all of its later fighters are premier ordinance haulers. What this game is missing the most is earlier aircraft, particularly bombers, from countries other than the United States. The prominent armaments from these areas are no where to be found.
Lastly,
How can it be a premier WWII experience when you can't experience the nuke blast in your base!!!!
That never happened anywhere, any time, in any case, so it's a moot point.
And, just for a bit of personal advice,
People like me(blow-up stuff mentals) who don't last 2.38secs in a dogfight and get shot down after 1 turn(run into a tree) should have the option to spend 500 perks on a nuke to even things up a bit!
I'd suggest you'd learn to dogfight, so you can get the full worth of this game.
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I play this game solely because of the fact I am interacting/fighting/laughing with other human beings. There are many AI games out there that I would have pursued if I only wanted an offline experience. CT never had any appeal for me and Im glad that HTC will focus on the reason I believe it has been successful where others failed.
Thanks for the game as it exists and for continuing to improve it!
:aok
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I'm honestly not mad at HTC, but kinda disappointed that nothing came out of it. I WOULD like to see them implement those huge towns in a new map or something as like a GYNORMOUS tank town :rock
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First off, Aces High is not a war.
Next up, we HAVE, for the most part, the 'prominent' armaments that were available during the war, for the United States. The US is the only country with not only 1, but 2 4 engined heavy bombers; the UK being the only other with any at all. The US also has the most medium bombers of any country in the game, as well as the most single engined light bombers, and all of its later fighters are premier ordinance haulers. What this game is missing the most is earlier aircraft, particularly bombers, from countries other than the United States. The prominent armaments from these areas are no where to be found.
Lastly,That never happened anywhere, any time, in any case, so it's a moot point.
And, just for a bit of personal advice,I'd suggest you'd learn to dogfight, so you can get the full worth of this game.
Sir: Prominent means:
1. Projecting outward or upward from a line or surface; protuberant.
2. Immediately noticeable; conspicuous. See synonyms at noticeable.
3. Widely known; eminent.
I don't know how you can think of WWII experience and not think of the atom bomb as a prominent symbol of that era.
As for the nuke blasts not happening and is a moot point(?): "Hiroshima was described as "an important army depot and port of embarkation in the middle of an urban industrial area. It is a good radar target and it is such a size that a large part of the city could be extensively damaged. There are adjacent hills which are likely to produce a focussing effect which would considerably increase the blast damage. Due to rivers it is not a good incendiary target." The goal of the weapon was to convince Japan to surrender unconditionally in accordance with the terms of the Potsdam Declaration. The Target Committee stated that "It was agreed that psychological factors in the target selection were of great importance. Two aspects of this are (1) obtaining the greatest psychological effect against Japan and (2) making the initial use sufficiently spectacular for the importance of the weapon to be internationally recognized when publicity on it is released. In this respect Kyoto has the advantage of the people being more highly intelligent and hence better able to appreciate the significance of the weapon. Hiroshima has the advantage of being such a size and with possible focussing from nearby mountains that a large fraction of the city may be destroyed. The Emperor's palace in Tokyo has a greater fame than any other target but is of least strategic value." *from:http://www.dannen.com/decision/targets.html (http://www.dannen.com/decision/targets.html)
Yes the nuke did happen, twice.
BUT I agree with this and would bet my two balls on it: What this game is missing the most is earlier aircraft, particularly bombers, from countries other than the United States. The prominent armaments from these areas are no where to be found.
Lastly you say I should dogfight more, but I am a hopeless case. I'd rather bomb bases and pork factories as that is my idea of fun for me which thankfully AH2 provides. In the same length, some players like to GV, and that is another preference. We all have our preferences, but omitting a prominent weapon while professing to be "the premier online WWII experience" doesn't seem reconcileable.
Thank you for your response, but I think I've hijacked this thread. So this will be my last reply, regardless.
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I think these 40 guys are little more than troll, here and in the MA. Something not quite right with them.
:huh
We just play the game and do whatever. Chances are, any problem you have with them is something you or got into after someone else started something. I haven't seen any of them go out and start something with any of you for no reason. From what I've observed in the MA, someone would call something out to one of us on 200, we'd respond.
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Yes the nuke did happen, twice.
Two Japanese cities were bombed; they were terror bombings. There were no active combat airfields in the vicinity of Nagasaki or Hiroshima that were damaged by the blasts, at least that I'm aware of. No airfields were ever destroyed by the use of nuclear armaments. Thus this inevitable use in-game would be unrealistic.
Arguing this is pointless anyway as HTC has already said that the largest bomb they would put in game would be the 4000lbs bomb available for the Lancaster.
And, prominent can also mean important. While the B29 was certainly an important aircraft in WWII the United States already has many more than any other country.
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As I said in another B29 thread, everything that's needs blown up can be done with what we already have. We don't need B29s, B52s, space shuttles and hubble telescopes. What we need is people to put in the effort and learn to play the game with what we have.
What you want is to drop a nuke on a field and ruin a fight that people are enjoying. Just so you can get some kills from 40k because you're too lazy to learn the game.
The 29 and atomic bomb was used in the very last weeks of the war and has no place in this game PERIOD.
As far as how my statements on this board reflect on my in game name, I don't care. I say what's on my mind whether it be online or off. I'll straight up tell you, I don't like kids in this game. They annoy me.
As for my squad, or anybody else in this game that knows me will tell you, I call it like I see it, don't beat around the bush or mence words. You're always welcome to file a complaint on the 412th web page link below. :salute
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.....some folks simply refuse to get it..... :rolleyes:
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I believe that's how wars are won? Countries with fewer planes, fewer tanks, fewer batleships didn't win WWII. And AH2 offering itself as a "premier WWII combat experience" should include at the minimum the prominent armaments that were available during the war. How can it be a premier WWII experience when you can't experience the nuke blast in your base!!!!
People like me(blow-up stuff mentals) who don't last 2.38secs in a dogfight and get shot down after 1 turn(run into a tree) should have the option to spend 500 perks on a nuke to even things up a bit!
mwahahahahahahaha!
40SkiZzo
You know how you can "even things up a bit" ?? Learn how to fight properly, and don't rely on crutches or shortcuts. Nukes is a STUPID idea in this GAME. Yes...this is a game and it has to have some BALANCE. I cant even believe were having a nuke discussion. One moron already has enough power to ruin a fight in the MA. You start giving clueless newbs a nuke and the gameplay will go down the drain. There will be a ton of griefers who milkrun for perks at night and use them on nukes during the day just to piss people off. And no, they wouldn't even be useful in a scenario because it only happened twice during the war and each time there was only 1 plane involved...Game Over.
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I'm honestly not mad at HTC, but kinda disappointed that nothing came out of it.
Another "throw it at the wall and hope it sticks" statement.
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As I said in another B29 thread, everything that's needs blown up can be done with what we already have. We don't need B29s, B52s, space shuttles and hubble telescopes. What we need is people to put in the effort and learn to play the game with what we have.
B29 with no nuke would be marvelous. Period. I've checked the payloads, and some of them would be just fine in the game. It would be fun. It's not about "need." It's a game. A time consuming often fun game.
The space shuttle and telescope crack was funny though.
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You know if this bunch of losers and whiners had been around back in the first Beta. Hitech would have folded up and gone to sit in a rocking chair someplace.
THIS is what the AH community has devolved into?
Ever sat down to do a job (any job) and after 2 hours of sweating, cussing, figuring and scrambling to try to make it work realize that for whatever reason. It just isn't going to work?
HT thought he could pull TOD/CT off, but he got boxed into a corner, and couldn't make it work.
And couldn't figure out how to make it work, or didn't have the right parts, etc. And realized that he's been leaving his main squeeze bread and butter pretty much neglected for all this time. So he shelves the unsolvable problem and goes back to work on AH.
How is this a bad thing for anyone?
HT doesn't have a crystal ball, he can't see 5 years into the future and go ooops, better not go there.
You want tell me where your going to be living and what your going to be doing 5 years from now?
Ohh and your betting everything that you own or will own that your going to be right. Because if your wrong its
all going to be mine.
Would you take that bet?
You think your disappointed? How do you think Hitech & crew feel?
They've poured years of work into something that just got shelved.
Give them a break. Shutup and fly, or go away, your choice.
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well said Ghost. :aok
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well said Ghost. :aok
Ya, got go with ghost on this one!
Its a great game IMHO.
:aok
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zuii
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Gotta see the better side of this, too. From now on things will only get better.
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You know if this bunch of losers and whiners had been around back in the first Beta. Hitech would have folded up and gone to sit in a rocking chair someplace.
THIS is what the AH community has devolved into?
Good post.
The face of the internet itself has changed over the last decade. It's not because the demographic has become younger. There were plenty of smart kids around 10 years ago, you just didn't notice their age. The change is that the internet demographic has become dumber as more and more people log on, and its bled into games like AH in a way that just wasn't there before.
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You know if this bunch of losers and whiners had been around back in the first Beta. Hitech would have folded up and gone to sit in a rocking chair someplace.
THIS is what the AH community has devolved into?
There were whiners even then, trust me... as there were back when Confirmed Kill and Warbirds all started.
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Ever sat down to do a job (any job) and after 2 hours of sweating, cussing, figuring and scrambling to try to make it work realize that for whatever reason. It just isn't going to work?
Yep, all the time. However, the last time we told our customers that everything was moving along fine for 4 years (instead of 2 hours) asked them to help us beta test the product, posted screen shots of the product, and delivered nothing, our arses got fired :rofl
Could not care less about CT. Nothing I was paying for or going to pay for so in my eyes it is a great decision. I just get a kick from this HT religion mentality :rofl
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I play this game solely because of the fact I am interacting/fighting/laughing with other human beings.
Hmmm... I play this game despite the fact that I'm interacting with/dying to/cursing under my breath at other human beings.
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In the late 90's I was involved with two internet businesses (fantasy sports). No matter how good a job we did, there was always someone who would have a nit-picky complaint, usually about something that was so minor it didn't even matter. Sometimes, I think those who CAN'T, feel inferior to those who CAN, and search for things to complain about. This complaining about never getting something that you never had or paid for in the first place is in that category.
:salute HTC. You are putting out a great product at a very reasonable price. I have confidence that going forward they will make it even better.
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In the late 90's I was involved with two internet businesses (fantasy sports). No matter how good a job we did, there was always someone who would have a nit-picky complaint, usually about something that was so minor it didn't even matter. Sometimes, I think those who CAN'T, feel inferior to those who CAN, and search for things to complain about. This complaining about never getting something that you never had or paid for in the first place is in that category.
:salute HTC. You are putting out a great product at a very reasonable price. I have confidence that going forward they will make it even better.
Funny how taking your time to give your input on a product seems to make you a bad customer in this forum.
I just get a kick from this HT religion mentality :rofl
:rofl Amen :pray :rofl
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First time for me stating my opinion on this subject.
I stopped my subscription over 4 months ago do to the lack of interest. I love the community and to tell you the truth it was one of the major factors way i stayed around for 5 years.
I would love to see a quick game option. One major factor for my lack of interest is do to the time needed to play the game. I would love to see a arena with different quick game high alt fights. Its not my job to brain storm ideas that's HTC job.
H2H to me any many ways was better test plat form and sometimes game play. The lack of quality players made it a turkey shoot. Kinda sad to see it go...
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well CT ( Combat Tour ) can never be said to of never happened.it did happen..it just never was opened to the public masses in a live/24 hr format..( or did I just wake up from a 2 year dream/nightmare )....it has been discontinued/shelved and that means it could remain there permanently or it could be re-opened for further development.for anyone who says "he/she stayed here to see CT become open publicallyavailable, only" is lying to themsleves.they could easily quit for now and comeback when the CT of AH went live........ they stay here because they like the game, period!
When you realize you do not like playing anymore, or you get burntout, or you lose interest...you leave
when you get the itch or start missing the game you come back........no more / no less.......it has always and always will be this simple......
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Who was Kweassa quoting?
Because it meets standard haiku form:
"Long silences / no
news then failure to deliv-
er are annoying."
And it's all kind of in the present tense. It is so now.
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Arguing this is pointless anyway as HTC has already said that the largest bomb they would put in game would be the 4000lbs bomb available for the Lancaster.
Heck, even if they almost double it and add a 9,000# Dambuster there will be someone who finds a way to stop it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKHc-U2FNHk&feature=related
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After the AI came out I really lost all interest in the combat tour.. Its nothing special really.... I do think that if they got rid of rooks nits ,and bish made a real map of a certain time line..I no they have the axis and allies ,but that completely suks cause no one plays it really..Then made a real war game outta of this with some sort of command structure and not a big gaggle "F" all the time. This game could probably take over ww2 online there only real competition.Like always this is just my opinion ,but I subscribe to ww2 online also ,and if these 2 games were combined with the flight models of HTC and everything else of CRS you would really have something.. To get back on subject I could never see the CT ever gaining my interest personally.AI and warping up to 25k like startrak just ruins the fun for me :aok There are a few changes in this game that would be nice, but the bottom line is it is a lot of fun :salute
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In the late 90's I was involved with two internet businesses (fantasy sports). No matter how good a job we did, there was always someone who would have a nit-picky complaint, usually about something that was so minor it didn't even matter.
So, how are those two businesses doing?
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First to perhaps clarify a few things I said...
disappointed -
Thwarted in hope, desire, or expectation
... Not ripped off
And customer relations by which I meant…
public relations -
1. (used with a sing. verb) The art or science of establishing and promoting a favorable relationship with the public.
2. (used with a pl. verb) The methods and activities employed to establish and promote a favorable relationship with the public.
3. (used with a sing. or pl. verb) The degree of success obtained in achieving a favorable relationship with the public.
As opposed to customer service the provision of service to customers before, during and after the purchase.
In response to The Fugitive…
SO the "chef" while fully intending to build his buffet can not get some of the ingredients for his buffet, and sees his kitchen not running as smoothly as he would like cancels his buffet and re-engages fully in his main menu. This you know will improve the main menu and help you to enjoy your meals more. How could you feel "wronged"?
Well if we are sticking with the story 'In the meantime the regular menu variety will be cut down while they work on the new buffet. Then after remaining a patron throughout the cutback menu….and then to further dampen my spirit…..
The announcement was given by the owner of the company at the convention, and then announced the second "workday" after the convention (they needed a day to correct the spelling). So you feel slighted because you didn't get the world with the con goers. Lifes rough! Thats one of the pluses of going to the con, getting inside info, early release info, and general BS info. So lets take it out on HTC for giving those people who went over and above in there support by attending the con in these money strapped times the info first.
Life is rough that’s true. I don’t begrudge con attendees their special missions, a fly of a pre release plane, free 262’s, some sneak peeks/hints at upcoming stuff or whatever. If I am not there then too bad for me. I think you would agree the AH player base is global and quite large. When it’s major news and especially not super positive news, then I think it would be more the done thing to announce the news to one and all at the same time.
Also by hiding behind a shade it take a bunch of "credibility" AWAY from anything you have to say on the boards. You said "However look at the posts some of you put your names to… As a result I reserve the right to berate you later." While some of the posts that have been posted may have been asinine, or stupid, at least those people signed their statements and stand behind them. You on the other hand must hide behind your shade and shout drivel to the masses and expect reasonable responses.
Your right berate is a bit harsh. It was said tongue in cheek and perhaps not the best choice of words. For this I apologise however to put your name on something does not in itself lend it credibility. Nor in my opinion is an anon opinion less worthy of consideration than drivel some clown puts their name on. As for my shouting drivel…lol you were going well but lost it there.
:rofl expect reasonable responses
..... its about the culture of trying to bash those that ever dare to even hint at criticism of HTC in any way.
(and should/could that have read reasonable criticism?)
Well, you're safe behind the shade. Go ahead and give an example of these people, and show they're so prevalent as to warrant this rant.
He won't, because his haven't dropped yet.
You both seem eager volunteers :devil
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So Pat, you seem like an eloquent well schooled and rational guy why the shade? What or who are you afraid of?
Perhaps your usual BBS/game persona is an arrogant POS and you don't wish to tarnish his image with decency?
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He wants the thread to go on so he can talk a lot, and say little.
"Well, you're safe behind the shade. Go ahead and give an example of these people, and show they're so prevalent as to warrant this rant. " ... You both seem eager volunteers
i.e. I have no examples. When everyone will call him on not having a point, he'll call it "exactly what I predicted".. People brown nosing HTC.
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<S> SD67
I have flown with you in a scenario a ways back and know you to be an honorable larakin. When I log on to go flying its just to do that. You won't see me on 200 except to throw a salute to a downed foe or a better cartoon airman than myself. Posting in shade is so that I can have my say and still play peacefully....I don't care what your opinion is here or in game you can have it. I may not agree with it but I respect it and am not out to ruin anyone else's fun.
btw some of the sticks that i fly with / see online a bit and chat to cordially have already flamed me in this thread. So I think it was the best decision to go shady....I will think little of that said here when we meet in the cartoon skies and just see comrades out the windshield.... not comments on the boards....
others hold grudges :(
Moot -
Thank you for perpetuating this thread and reinforcing some points that I made above.
I challenge anyone to find a clear point to your posts in this thread.
Pat
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Pat.<S>
Fair enough.
Under the circumstances I will respect your decision to remain anonymous, though I don't know if you're the type to have been holding out so long just for CT. I can in some way see your point, but I really don't think anyone who has played for as long as you have really can justify the feeling that you have been wronged by HTC.
I can understand why you would be hesitant to elaborate on why you stated you do not view HT's customer relations to be all they're cracked up to be. I really have no base to comment apart from the few times I've had email contact the response has always been swift, cordial and more than adequate. In the face of other positive experiences reported I cannot help but wonder where you're coming from. Perhaps it was related to HTC keeping his cards close with relation to the CT thing. I can understand that in the gaming world such a thing could be really big and to have it stolen from you because you let too much information go too soon would be a tragic occurrence.
I also believe we will see some immense benefits from the CT project particularly in the Special Event Arenas where new tools will be made available to the CM's to enhance the experience of the participants. This says to me that the CT project was not a total loss and the efforts previously directed to the CT project will now be channelled into the game, along with the new resources created for it.
Now that there is no need for HTC to keep so much close to his chest we will begin to see more information on improvements and enhancements coming from Grapevine.
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In response to The Fugitive…
Well if we are sticking with the story 'In the meantime the regular menu variety will be cut down while they work on the new buffet. Then after remaining a patron throughout the cutback menu….and then to further dampen my spirit…..
Life is rough that’s true. I don’t begrudge con attendees their special missions, a fly of a pre release plane, free 262’s, some sneak peeks/hints at upcoming stuff or whatever. If I am not there then too bad for me. I think you would agree the AH player base is global and quite large. When it’s major news and especially not super positive news, then I think it would be more the done thing to announce the news to one and all at the same time.
Your right berate is a bit harsh. It was said tongue in cheek and perhaps not the best choice of words. For this I apologise however to put your name on something does not in itself lend it credibility. Nor in my opinion is an anon opinion less worthy of consideration than drivel some clown puts their name on. As for my shouting drivel…lol you were going well but lost it there.
:rofl expect reasonable responses
(and should/could that have read reasonable criticism?)
You both seem eager volunteers :devil
I guess your a "the glass is half empty" type of guy. The reason the "chef" drop the buffet was he saw the main menu was suffering and turn to rectify it. This is a good think no? Your disappointed about something you never had. I'll bet your upset we aren't all driving our flying cars to work each day too. :rolleyes:
I guess you can only have an opinion behind a shade. It would be horrible to have to defend your comments in the game as well as here. Look at all the respect you would loose to "some of the sticks that i fly with / see online a bit and chat to cordially have already flamed me in this thread". Those that post their names stand behind what they say. I'm not always a "positive" poster, I say what I think. Some don't like it, but that is their opinion and they are entitled to it. I'm easy enough to find both here and in the game I'm the Fugitive. Very rarely has anything that was said here on the boards carried over to the arenas. I guess you just don't believe as much in your post as others are thinking, which leads us to "trolling".
So Mr mystery guest, is it a troll, or are you really disappointed?
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Pat.
My point is that your post is just a well fluffed out whine, and is mostly baseless. Your last line is the truest part of it.
"Yours in frustration and a little anger" That's really the gist of your argument.. Then you try and justify your frustration which is your own responsibility, not HTC's, with the following..
"No CT is a blow to the AH mojo. I feel that loyal long time subscribers have been somehow wronged"
1) It might be a setback, but it all but guarantees things are looking up from now on. It's no blow to the weather to see the end of rain and the come of sunshine.
2) How were they wronged?
"We get no CT. No mention of anything much salvaged from the effort."
1) Not yet anyway..
2) False. Either you can't read what's explicitely spelled out in black on white or are purposedly ignoring the truth to give your whine some fake credence.
"In the meantime the game has grown old with meaningful updates a bit slim."
Yep, but it was for a good reason. Now that's over. Why complain about the past? What's done is done and can't be changed. Either change your attitude or move on to something else.
"But will humbly suggest that you keep subscribers more up to date on happenings and progress.
Long silences / no news then failure to deliver are annoying.
Please keep us informed at least monthly of progress on terrain upgrades, character animation, H2H and any other dated parts of the game engine that you may be ‘overhauling’."
And what if there's nothing to report? HTC have always kept things under wraps until a short time before release. It really makes no difference to the known fact that they are working the whole time. This is just another entitlement complaint, like you were on the share holders' board or something. I don't like the lack of news or the dead ends in development, but what's the point of telling them something they already know? Of whining about it? Do you not see this point?
"I know that now begins a round of in posts. A few oh know how you dare say that type posts.
We shall see….will the thread be locked. What rules might have been transgressed?
Will this post remain here?
Might I get some kind of feedback from HTC or better hitech himself…….
Am I alone here or do others feel the same?"
You throw this out which makes it possible to interpret your semi-legit points as nothing more than a whiny gripe. That's what I meant by my previous posts, and when I ask you for clarification, you fall back on deflecting them with :rofl's.
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I do love seeing a dweeb toss out that "paying customer" card. Here's a clue for you cupcake...CT never had any subscribers. You never paid for CT and you never lost a penny on it. CT was never going to be a part of AH. It was to be a total separate game. CT was never to be about current AH players. It was aimed at new segment of players....box-type RPG players.
If anyone lost money on CT...it was HTC.
Frankly, Dale deserves kudos for being willing to admit that he was not going to be able to pull CT off. In the end...AH will be better sooner because of this.
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What he said!
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I do love seeing a dweeb toss out that "paying customer" card. Here's a clue for you cupcake...CT never had any subscribers. You never paid for CT and you never lost a penny on it. CT was never going to be a part of AH. It was to be a total separate game. CT was never to be about current AH players. It was aimed at new segment of players....box-type RPG players.
If anyone lost money on CT...it was HTC.
Frankly, Dale deserves kudos for being willing to admit that he was not going to be able to pull CT off. In the end...AH will be better sooner because of this.
There you go again, getting all logical and stuff like that
You have become such a disapointment, where has all that in your face arguing and giggling at the response gone?
What has become of the AW days of rope a dope posting?
Ahhh the good old days- when dweebs were dweebs and cartoon planes were made for players the like of Socrates and Plato, or at least Moe, Larry & Curly, & sometimes Shep......
I lean back and sip my beer waiting for the alt monkey beech slaps, and what happens, I get logic?
Kudos to HTC for making a difficult business decision.
:aok
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<S> SD67
I have flown with you in a scenario a ways back and know you to be an honorable larakin. When I log on to go flying its just to do that. You won't see me on 200 except to throw a salute to a downed foe or a better cartoon airman than myself. Posting in shade is so that I can have my say and still play peacefully....I don't care what your opinion is here or in game you can have it. I may not agree with it but I respect it and am not out to ruin anyone else's fun.
btw some of the sticks that i fly with / see online a bit and chat to cordially have already flamed me in this thread. So I think it was the best decision to go shady....I will think little of that said here when we meet in the cartoon skies and just see comrades out the windshield.... not comments on the boards....
others hold grudges :(
Moot -
Thank you for perpetuating this thread and reinforcing some points that I made above.
I challenge anyone to find a clear point to your posts in this thread.
Pat
The only thing to come out of this thread so far is that a "shades account was created to whine to HTC."
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Gotta see the better side of this, too. From now on things will only get better.
Ah, you bet ... things *have* to get better. Those old graphics for example ... yes, I mean those horrible Macchi's.
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Well, I guess that sucks, but I have to agree - more news is better, even if its bad news.
What really has me peeved though, is the stagnant, 200 player arena sizes that occur through the majority of the hours.
Can we just go back to ONE ARENA ALL DAY EVERY DAY AGAIN?!?!?! I'm so bored with the non-Tuesday play!
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It's really sad to see threads like this started by people who feel like they were owed CT. CT is one of many many games that will be "shelved" this year by members of the gameing design and development industry. The only unfortunate thing being pressed by some people in this thread is that it proves to game developers (like HTC) why most of these games never have a word about them slipped out past and beyond their own design and development teams until the product is almost 100% ready for release... I hope HTC sees past these selfish people and keeps up their very generous and open "this is what we're working on right now, want to come in and have a peek?" design and development practice. Too many other generous and open companies have been burned by fans like this, and it results in all of us not hearing about any new and awesome upcoming thing until 2-years after they started work on it, when an almost-ready-to-launch version is on the deck and about to be fine polished for release.
Yeah, a part of D&D is the death of a lot of good ideas/projects so that others can live and prosper, but trust me, everyone here will be a lot happier if HTC keeps us on the "in" next time rather than deciding, like most gameing companies, to leave us on the "out" until a project is so far along it's 100% going to be launched (due to "fan" and "customer" reactions like this to projects that may or may never be released).
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There you go again, getting all logical and stuff like that
You have become such a disapointment, where has all that in your face arguing and giggling at the response gone?
What has become of the AW days of rope a dope posting?
Ahhh the good old days- when dweebs were dweebs and cartoon planes were made for players the like of Socrates and Plato, or at least Moe, Larry & Curly, & sometimes Shep......
I lean back and sip my beer waiting for the alt monkey beech slaps, and what happens, I get logic?
Kudos to HTC for making a difficult business decision.
:aok
Geez Noobs...I didn't really expect you to have a problem with it.....since logic is, generally, beyond your capacity to comprehend.
(of course....I could have been thinking about Lute :devil.)
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The only unfortunate thing being pressed by some people in this thread is that it proves to game developers (like HTC) why most of these games never have a word about them slipped out past and beyond their own design and development teams until the product is almost 100% ready for release...
Great point. Most developers do not let anyone know anything (especially customers), until release is a viable option...
Though I'm still waiting on the new UFC game to arrive (PS3, etc), they've released a trailer, and nothing has happend since. :(
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Great point. Most developers do not let anyone know anything (especially customers), until release is a viable option...
Though I'm still waiting on the new UFC game to arrive (PS3, etc), they've released a trailer, and nothing has happend since. :(
Three words my friend: Duke Nukem Forever
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever
Me and my friends have been waiting for that game since we were in High School. A couple of those friends have kids now that they'll have to share this game with in a year or two... if it gets released before they have to start saving up for their kid's college. :P
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I've been waiting for DNF since i completed DN 3D back in the mid 90's :) I had it on the pc and the N64. It remains one of the best games i've ever played. Now that i think about it i must have been about 12 or 13 back then. There's nothing quite like shrinking aliens, stamping on them and then kicking in some urinals out back.
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I've been waiting for DNF since i completed DN 3D back in the mid 90's :) I had it on the pc and the N64. It remains one of the best games i've ever played. Now that i think about it i must have been about 12 or 13 back then. There's nothing quite like shrinking aliens, stamping on them and then kicking in some urinals out back.
Ahhh the 90's... all I remember is the smell of perfume and gasoline... fu!@, I feel old now.
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My House! ;)
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~In the Middle of the Street~
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messed up my comments before... sorry
I stick with my original thoughts... If you hide behind a shade post you have ZERO credibility IMO.