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Title: CV skullduggery
Post by: Wingnutt on November 02, 2008, 11:50:44 AM
last night the bish make a pretty clever attack and took a port and sunk the CV in quick order relatively deep in enemy territory, the cv came back up, the enemy captured their port back, but we had the boat..

we took the boat and fought off endless attacks for over an our while dragging our trophy back to friendlier waters.  It worked, the boat was ours..

Well apparently someone didn't like this too much.

Next think you know, someone with a top 10 rank pops in, takes control of the CV, points right back into enemy territory to the nearest enemy base, and lays the course to hit all the PT spawns.

nobody could get a hold of the new captain, he wouldn't respond to PMs, country.. nothing...  apparently he took the boat, set the course and went afk..

he kept it for a long time, until it got where he wanted to to be, right off an enemy base, right on top the PT spawn, right in range of the shore battery, where of course, it got sunk.


good times :furious


how about a "time out" on CV control..   the details would have to be hammered out, but something along the lines of if the person in control of the CV doesnt isnt near it (within its dar ring) for over half an hour, they give up command, and they must be ding SOMETHING.. I.E. manning a gun, in a plane.. something.. not sleeping in the tower..         
  Of course this just a "rough draft" idea so don't pick the details apart, but but you get the idea.


Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Wingnutt on November 02, 2008, 12:08:00 PM
2 Things

Im trying to be tactful, im not naming the person so don't ask.

Neither me nor my squad were involved in the take of the CV, Im not just being butthurt.  Its just that it was one of those increasingly few times in the MA where you see a well planned, concerted effort really shine, the battle was intense and everything was well played by all parties involved both friend and foe. The tide shifted multiple times and things got and stayed crazy, alot of people had alot of fun on both sides. It was defiantly the kind of thing that keeps the subscription going. 

And then to have it all undone by the most underhanded, cheap, and pathetic means possible, just really pisses me off.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: swoopy on November 02, 2008, 12:13:14 PM
was this CV 114 or 113? cant remember
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: hubsonfire on November 02, 2008, 12:29:07 PM
Another positive side effect of rank!
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: The Fugitive on November 02, 2008, 01:17:51 PM
2 Things

Im trying to be tactful, im not naming the person so don't ask.

Neither me nor my squad were involved in the take of the CV, Im not just being butthurt.  Its just that it was one of those increasingly few times in the MA where you see a well planned, concerted effort really shine, the battle was intense and everything was well played by all parties involved both friend and foe. The tide shifted multiple times and things got and stayed crazy, alot of people had alot of fun on both sides. It was defiantly the kind of thing that keeps the subscription going. 

And then to have it all undone by the most underhanded, cheap, and pathetic means possible, just really pisses me off.


Sounds like a blast, move on to the next fight ! Why worry about some dweeb taking the cv back? Chances are it would have been recaptured over night anyway. Sure what the clown did was "gamey" and child like, but why let it spoil your fun?
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Chalenge on November 02, 2008, 01:54:53 PM
You know I dont condone switching sides to do anything like this but one thing that ruins the game is people that hide CVs. CVs are fun and taking them out of play stinks.

Poo-poo on both of you.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Soulyss on November 02, 2008, 02:02:04 PM
The way I see it, planned and launched a sneak attack that then lead to some pretty fun and intense battles that lasted over an hour.  In fact if it was continued to be used I don't think I'd have any issues, but if it was just going to be stuck away in some corner of the map to be ignored by everyone then I just don't see the fun in that. 

To be fair I think intentionally trying to put it in a situation where it would be surely sunk is a little to drastic in the other direction, but bringing the CV into play where it can promote more battles and fights between players and introducing the chance that it might be sunk would have been the more proper thing to do IMHO. 
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: coola4me on November 02, 2008, 02:02:42 PM
You know I dont condone switching sides to do anything like this but one thing that ruins the game is people that hide CVs. CVs are fun and taking them out of play stinks.

Poo-poo on both of you.


I couldnt agree more!!!  :salute
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: iTunes on November 02, 2008, 02:10:28 PM
The way I see it, planned and launched a sneak attack that then lead to some pretty fun and intense battles that lasted over an hour.  In fact if it was continued to be used I don't think I'd have any issues, but if it was just going to be stuck away in some corner of the map to be ignored by everyone then I just don't see the fun in that. 

To be fair I think intentionally trying to put it in a situation where it would be surely sunk is a little to drastic in the other direction, but bringing the CV into play where it can promote more battles and fights between players and introducing the chance that it might be sunk would have been the more proper thing to do IMHO. 
Couldn't agree more
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Helm on November 02, 2008, 02:11:02 PM
You know I dont condone switching sides to do anything like this but one thing that ruins the game is people that hide CVs. CVs are fun and taking them out of play stinks.

Poo-poo on both of you.


Amen!!


Helm ...out
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Wingnutt on November 02, 2008, 04:36:25 PM
the CV was FAR from "hidden" it just wasn't SMACK IN THE MIDDLE of enemy territory..  it was about a sector and a half from the nearest enemy base.

I too don't like when people squirrel the boats away to where they are useless, but that was not the case in this situation.

I think the thing that got under my skin, is that what happened after we took it, REALLY pointed out, underlined and highlighted the prevalent MA attitude of "anything you can, any way you can".  seems now the majority of the folks you see in the MA are not focused on having fun playing a simulation, having a good fight, but instead derive their pleasure from finding and exploiting the quirks of the game.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: caldera on November 02, 2008, 05:12:29 PM
Carriers are meant to be sunk.
It may have been 1.5 sectors from an enemy base but which direction was it headed?  Not to attack I bet.
It was taken away with the intent of avoiding a fight. At the very least avoiding having it NIT and attacking your bases.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: BaldEagl on November 02, 2008, 05:27:49 PM
Name please.

Why would you respect someone who's obviously such a dweeb by protecting thier identity?  I think they should be called out publicly.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: gameofd1 on November 02, 2008, 06:12:13 PM
10 sectors in lancs to get a CV back.......... good times :)
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: hubsonfire on November 02, 2008, 06:13:40 PM
Names or it didn't happen.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Buzzard7 on November 02, 2008, 06:18:15 PM
Screen shot of the CV path showing where you were taking it. Otherwise I would say they were keeping you from hiding it. Seen that all to often by many sides.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Masherbrum on November 02, 2008, 07:57:56 PM
the CV was FAR from "hidden" it just wasn't SMACK IN THE MIDDLE of enemy territory..  it was about a sector and a half from the nearest enemy base.

I too don't like when people squirrel the boats away to where they are useless, but that was not the case in this situation.

I think the thing that got under my skin, is that what happened after we took it, REALLY pointed out, underlined and highlighted the prevalent MA attitude of "anything you can, any way you can".  seems now the majority of the folks you see in the MA are not focused on having fun playing a simulation, having a good fight, but instead derive their pleasure from finding and exploiting the quirks of the game.

Wingnutt, obviously you guys weren't using the boat, so in most cases, yes you were "hiding" it.   

I agree with what Chalenge posted. 
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Wingnutt on November 02, 2008, 08:48:45 PM
the boat was still being actively DEFENDED when it was taken over, so no, it was not on the offensive, but only because it was still being attacked, it was nowhere near out of action, it was the center of attention when it was commandeered by capt Benedict Arnold.

and I am not naming names, period, doing so (IMO) is a violation of the forum rules.

but I will say said person is a member of a squad not exactly known for honorable actions.

I will leave it at that.

Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Dadsguns on November 02, 2008, 08:53:56 PM
Wingnutt, obviously you guys weren't using the boat, so in most cases, yes you were "hiding" it.   

I agree with what Chalenge posted. 

You could not be more wrong, I think you missed what he explained, I had pointed this out while it was happening that night.

The port was captured by the NME while we had control of the CV, the person that had control of it put it into a triangle shape course that extended no more than 1.5 sectors away and bringing it back through the PT spawn, we repeatedly tried to get the CV released from this person by PM's, VX, etc,, the CV was eventually sunk due to this, we could not move it from spawns, bombers etc.  This person was afk for over 4 hrs with control of the CV, while it was on the outbound leg it was safe and out of view but discovered easily at the coast.

As for hiding it: we had all but one CV at or near the ports with no intention on hiding them whatsoever.  They were in that configuration to keep the overnighters from doing just that, stealing them and hiding them from us as this has been the case on the same map before.

This person was the highest ranking Bish logged on at the time, having some type of timer in place to prevent this in the future would be acceptable. IMO

Another negative side effect of rank!


Edited for realism.  :salute
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: hubsonfire on November 02, 2008, 09:17:26 PM
That was sarcasm, btw.

So who was this?
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: 1pLUs44 on November 02, 2008, 09:29:08 PM
Just curious WingNutt, are you sure if it was in the top 10 ranks?

Amsoil21    1    3    4    11    5
SHawk    2    13    7    10    4
pacerr    3    14    6    13    6
Bruv119    4    18    12    7    17
Malan    5    47    3    8    13
md68    6    46    10    9    11
Hoagi    7    5    24    37    14
LYNX    8    33    5    28    34
jackraid    9    86    13    3    3
Gat76

I dont recognize any names that are known for doing bad things... just the usual from what I can see.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Dadsguns on November 02, 2008, 09:33:05 PM
Just curious WingNutt, are you sure if it was in the top 10 ranks?

Amsoil21    1    3    4    11    5
SHawk    2    13    7    10    4
pacerr    3    14    6    13    6
Bruv119    4    18    12    7    17
Malan    5    47    3    8    13
md68    6    46    10    9    11
Hoagi    7    5    24    37    14
LYNX    8    33    5    28    34
jackraid    9    86    13    3    3
Gat76

I dont recognize any names that are known for doing bad things... just the usual from what I can see.

I saw it myself, he was the Highest ranking Bish logged on and in the Top Ten. 
You would think that having the high rank takes on some type of chivalry or honor, but it doesn't, if "doing the bad thing" was intentional or not that is not up for debate or important as having a system in place to prevent it.


That was sarcasm, btw.

So who was this?

I know it was,  :D

He is in the list of the great ones above...... :lol
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Masherbrum on November 02, 2008, 09:54:54 PM
I know who it was as well by looking at the list.   
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: 1pLUs44 on November 02, 2008, 09:58:08 PM
Under 5, or above 5?
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Masherbrum on November 02, 2008, 10:05:17 PM
Under 5, or above 5?

I will NOT divulge for that is what the Original Poster wished to begin with.   
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: 1pLUs44 on November 02, 2008, 10:06:26 PM
ah, I think I can recognize who it is. :salute
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: stodd on November 02, 2008, 10:10:14 PM
Name please.

Why would you respect someone who's obviously such a dweeb by protecting thier identity?  I think they should be called out publicly.



Just curious WingNutt, are you sure if it was in the top 10 ranks?

Amsoil21    1    3    4    11    5
SHawk    2    13    7    10    4
pacerr    3    14    6    13    6
Bruv119    4    18    12    7    17
Malan    5    47    3    8    13
md68    6    46    10    9    11
Hoagi    7    5    24    37    14
LYNX    8    33    5    28    34
jackraid    9    86    13    3    3
Gat76

I dont recognize any names that are known for doing bad things...
Umm look again :huh Pacerr is a tard....
Shawk had an affair with sheep.....

Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: thndregg on November 02, 2008, 10:32:29 PM
No different than sneaking a peak on a game of Battleship. Of course, it's the internet. No place for ethical play here. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Chalenge on November 02, 2008, 10:37:17 PM
I dont recognize any name as being bish. I wasnt intending to insult wingnutt either just making a point of one of the tactics I see used by ALL SIDES that I most detest. I dont make any effort to get rank because CVs are the only reason I could see to have rank and endless lines of 234s or dive bombing lancs or what have you just gets old. Doesnt seem like people are in agreement as to having fun so I have taken to just flying with my squad or having fun some other way.

Enjoy yourselves.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: 1pLUs44 on November 02, 2008, 11:20:28 PM

Umm look again :huh Pacerr is a tard....
Shawk had an affair with sheep.....



okay, let me rephrase it :)

These guys aren't known for doing anything out of the ordinary :lol
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Jackraid on November 03, 2008, 12:07:47 AM
Don't look at me....I get enough "hate PM's". Throw the name out there.  :salute
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Dadsguns on November 03, 2008, 07:55:47 AM
I will NOT divulge for that is what the Original Poster wished to begin with.   

I agree as well, the post was not to flame the person, but to bring to light the loophole of what can happen when someone does this intentionally or not.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: FLOTSOM on November 03, 2008, 08:09:07 AM
kind of a stupid thought, but being from the SUICIDE DWEEBZ i can tell you how we would have handled it.

either continue to take off from the CV and fight who ever attacked it, allowing us to continue to do what we love to do the most, furball.

or

swapped sides and attacked the CV and anyone upping from it until it was sunk.

either way, we would have fought the fight for the fun of it.

but we aren't really known for our intellect and brilliance are we? (well Jetsom isn't, but i didn't want him to feel like i was singling him out and throwing him under the bus)

FLOTSOM
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: MajIssue on November 03, 2008, 01:02:49 PM
This whole post is ridiculous!

If you are making accusations, make a bloody accusation!! the whole "somebody did something dishonorable, but I am not going to say who" is just plain juvenile. The way to stop players from doing these kind of things is, number one, PROVE it, and number two, show your proof to the community and let the dishonorable player face the "music". If your allegations are of "cheating" this is not the way to deal with it... film it and email the film to HTC.

If I had a nickle for every time the shore battery was unavailable and an unknown player was in and not firing at the CV off shore I could pay for my subscription for the next 6 months. That's the way it goes! it's not cheating and I don't like it one bit. I have filmed it and have shared my observations with my squaddies.

If you feel strongly enough to post a subject about it on the BBS, then "man up" and tell what you think you know, Otherwise...
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Dadsguns on November 03, 2008, 01:23:55 PM
Maj,
There were no accusations made, they were the facts of what happened.  Nowhere did the "C" word come up until you just brought it up.  The point has been made, thats Man enough for me.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: thndregg on November 03, 2008, 01:37:06 PM
This issue has come up enough times that I wonder if/when HTC gets tired of it, the only maps that will be approved are ones without carrier fleets.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: captain1ma on November 03, 2008, 02:30:51 PM
Im Glad im not INvolved!  :)
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Spikes on November 03, 2008, 04:28:02 PM
What about if you switch sides you can't control any CV for an hour...
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Shuffler on November 03, 2008, 04:29:57 PM
I just write S.A.P.P. with it... then anyone can have it. I used to have an Etch-A-Sketch but it broke.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: dentin on November 03, 2008, 04:47:38 PM
I just write S.A.P.P. with it... then anyone can have it. I used to have an Etch-A-Sketch but it broke.

Well, this post just about confirms my suspicions...S.A.P.P members really are a bunch of Red Skelton wanna-be's.    :rofl
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Rich46yo on November 03, 2008, 04:53:57 PM
If I were to post this I'd name the screwball who did it.

I dont really believe in bringing in-game problems to the boards, and even dont much believe in naming names, but Ive done it a few times when I felt strongly enough about it.

This is one such time. Only a real screwball would pull a stunt like this. Its outright cheating is what it is, and in a dooshbuggery way as well.

You were a Bish that made a good attack on a port, sunk the CV, grabbed it when it came back up, and defended it even tho the enemy grabbed back the port. You then set sail for safer waters while plotting your next course of action. So then some Rook or Nit changed sides, grabbed the CV, aimed it right back at the port, and even worse at the PT boat spawns where it could easily be sunk?

No doubt the entire time updating his partners in crime on the comms?

Boy, and I thought I'd seen it all. Frankly many players cheat rather openly and apparently aren't afraid of retribution. I say name the cheater. This is an easy one!
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Bronk on November 03, 2008, 04:56:34 PM
Cheating??? No. Gamy.... :aok
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Babalonian on November 03, 2008, 05:43:15 PM
What about if you switch sides you can't control any CV for an hour...

Good idea, but potentialy a pain in the arse when their intentions are for good (somoene coming on for the evening and starting up a CV to take out some enemy bases before they go to bed in 2-3 hours).

I was thinking since it's ranked base, have it so when someone takes over a fleet they essentialy take responcibility for it (even if they disco or change sides imediatley before plunging the CV to it's doom).  Have the success (or failure) of the CV they assumed command of then impact their score.  I bet this would happen a lot less if by the second waypoint the CV you took over gets sunk, you get a penalty that takes you from #10 to #200.  It could also stir intelligent use of CVs, say a CV participates in 5 base takings before it's sunk, the person who took command of the CV and who chose the fruitful coarce could see a decent rank boost.  If a CV only took one or two bases, have it result in no or minimal change in rank.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Dadsguns on November 03, 2008, 07:19:07 PM
The player and I spoke tonight and he did in fact have a legitimate family emergency, this would explain his AFK.  He apologized for any inconvenience it may have caused us.  I in fact would have done the same thing in his situation.   :salute

This should bring to light a need for a timer of some sort so that this would not affect the game in the absence of someone AFK for any reason. 

Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Masherbrum on November 03, 2008, 07:55:06 PM
Screw it all, BLAME ME!
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Spikes on November 03, 2008, 08:13:49 PM
Good idea, but potentialy a pain in the arse when their intentions are for good (somoene coming on for the evening and starting up a CV to take out some enemy bases before they go to bed in 2-3 hours).

I was thinking since it's ranked base, have it so when someone takes over a fleet they essentialy take responcibility for it (even if they disco or change sides imediatley before plunging the CV to it's doom).  Have the success (or failure) of the CV they assumed command of then impact their score.  I bet this would happen a lot less if by the second waypoint the CV you took over gets sunk, you get a penalty that takes you from #10 to #200.  It could also stir intelligent use of CVs, say a CV participates in 5 base takings before it's sunk, the person who took command of the CV and who chose the fruitful coarce could see a decent rank boost.  If a CV only took one or two bases, have it result in no or minimal change in rank.
Yes but how much, really, how much is it used for good. 1/1000 maybe?
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Morpheus on November 03, 2008, 08:14:15 PM
last night the bish make a pretty clever attack and took a port and sunk the CV in quick order relatively deep in enemy territory, the cv came back up, the enemy captured their port back, but we had the boat..

we took the boat and fought off endless attacks for over an our while dragging our trophy back to friendlier waters.  It worked, the boat was ours..

Well apparently someone didn't like this too much.

Next think you know, someone with a top 10 rank pops in, takes control of the CV, points right back into enemy territory to the nearest enemy base, and lays the course to hit all the PT spawns.

nobody could get a hold of the new captain, he wouldn't respond to PMs, country.. nothing...  apparently he took the boat, set the course and went afk..

he kept it for a long time, until it got where he wanted to to be, right off an enemy base, right on top the PT spawn, right in range of the shore battery, where of course, it got sunk.


good times :furious


how about a "time out" on CV control..   the details would have to be hammered out, but something along the lines of if the person in control of the CV doesnt isnt near it (within its dar ring) for over half an hour, they give up command, and they must be ding SOMETHING.. I.E. manning a gun, in a plane.. something.. not sleeping in the tower..         
  Of course this just a "rough draft" idea so don't pick the details apart, but but you get the idea.




LOLz
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Masherbrum on November 03, 2008, 08:14:47 PM
LOLz

Hey there sexy.   :uhoh
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Wingnutt on November 03, 2008, 09:54:58 PM
AS said before, posting the nameof this person who did it (apparently unitentionally) wouldpossable take this thread in a skewed direction.

Im not on a witch hunt, im just pointing out that allowing anyone to have unchecked control of a CV, probably needs an additional check.  such as a timeout for inactivity or something to that effect.

basing the privelage of ownership on rank, is no good considering rank means nothing in so much as skill, honor or anything remotley relevent.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: MajIssue on November 04, 2008, 01:36:01 PM
Perhaps if there was a requirement that you actually must BE on a CV to control it and not AFK for more than 5 min might be a possible solution... just a thought.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Rich46yo on November 04, 2008, 04:52:49 PM
I havnt been following this. Has the scoundrel been named or not?

Thats all I want to know. I dont want to waste 5 mins reading 4 pages and getting all drama-itcal.

Personaly I'd have named the neer-do-well in the first post and saved everyone a lot of time.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Shuffler on November 04, 2008, 05:16:52 PM
I havnt been following this. Has the scoundrel been named or not?

Thats all I want to know. I dont want to waste 5 mins reading 4 pages and getting all drama-itcal.

Personaly I'd have named the neer-do-well in the first post and saved everyone a lot of time.

If you read before posting... you'd know the person in question had a family emergency and left the computer. He did not intentionally put put the CV in harms way. He just thought more of his family than some game.
Not attacking you for your lack of time.... but asking you to get your information straight before posting.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Meatwad on November 04, 2008, 06:31:14 PM
Should be a rule

"A player cannot take control of a Task Group for 12 hours after changing countries"
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Murdr on November 04, 2008, 07:39:53 PM
basing the privelage of ownership on rank, is no good considering rank means nothing in so much as skill, honor or anything remotley relevent.

I don't often post a top 25 or 10 rank, because I have no desire to.  However, when I have over the last few years it was because someone was annoying me with their poor CV command the evening before.  Rank does not automatically equal skill because many with skill have found that playing for rank does not keep the game "fun" for very long.  Do not be fooled into thinking that any skilled pilot cannot rank in the top 50 on a whim, because most can.

The game mechanic to correct the issue is to either get a better rank yourself for next time, or to be friends with someone who will.


I do agree by the way with the idea of prohibiting taking CV command after a country change for a brief period.  Like 20-30 minutes.  Just long enough to prevent someone switching sides to sabotage an ongoing battle.  That has been a problem in the past enough times for it to at least be considered.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: uberslet on November 04, 2008, 07:51:17 PM
Just curious WingNutt, are you sure if it was in the top 10 ranks?

Amsoil21    1    3    4    11    5
SHawk    2    13    7    10    4
pacerr    3    14    6    13    6
Bruv119    4    18    12    7    17
Malan    5    47    3    8    13
md68    6    46    10    9    11
Hoagi    7    5    24    37    14
LYNX    8    33    5    28    34
jackraid    9    86    13    3    3
Gat76

I dont recognize any names that are known for doing bad things... just the usual from what I can see.
agreed, hoagi is bish, but he rarly ever goes AFK...and when he does he drops what hes doing, even a CV. that said, i dont see any other bishops up there that i can recognize. if Wingnutt is referring to the Jokers Jokers and Hoagi (which i hope he isnt, as the Jokers are not a bad squad) then they have seriously changed in my 3 days back at flying, and my 2 weeks off...
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Rich46yo on November 04, 2008, 08:55:01 PM
If you read before posting... you'd know the person in question had a family emergency and left the computer. He did not intentionally put put the CV in harms way. He just thought more of his family than some game.
Not attacking you for your lack of time.... but asking you to get your information straight before posting.

Nope never saw this fact in the thread. I dont really believe it anyway. Do you? Did you know that apes have 97% of the same DNA as humans?

But who cares? And you cant prove it either way. I guess he changed sides like that, wrested control of the CV he had just been fighting, all in order to protect it from harm? Then it accidentaly got pointed at PT spawns right when an emergancy forced him to choose family or cartoon. :rofl

And after reading most of this thread my info is about as straight as anyones. Most of all yours. Should I see someone playing like this I will speak plainly and wont cause 4 pages of nonsense. Let me see he, "changed sides, took control of the CV, pointed it right at a PT spawn, and then had a family emergency"? :lol Then he was tormented by the decision to either give back the CV or start CPR on his family member? :rofl Or maybe it was a fire? :lol An inbound ICBM? :rofl No matter what the emergency was he did the "right" and "noble" thing. :D In lieu of doing a crummy thing like changing sides, aiming the CV at a PT spawn, spitefully telling his squadies to sink it, and then got caught as the CV sunk. Instead of doing "that" he did the "right thing" and chose his family. Tell me? Who was this noble fellow? He's a regular "family man". :rofl

Not attacking you for being gullible....but I have a bridge for sale if your interested.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Shuffler on November 05, 2008, 08:58:53 AM
Nope never saw this fact in the thread. I dont really believe it anyway. Do you? Did you know that apes have 97% of the same DNA as humans?

But who cares? And you cant prove it either way. I guess he changed sides like that, wrested control of the CV he had just been fighting, all in order to protect it from harm? Then it accidentaly got pointed at PT spawns right when an emergancy forced him to choose family or cartoon. :rofl

And after reading most of this thread my info is about as straight as anyones. Most of all yours. Should I see someone playing like this I will speak plainly and wont cause 4 pages of nonsense. Let me see he, "changed sides, took control of the CV, pointed it right at a PT spawn, and then had a family emergency"? :lol Then he was tormented by the decision to either give back the CV or start CPR on his family member? :rofl Or maybe it was a fire? :lol An inbound ICBM? :rofl No matter what the emergency was he did the "right" and "noble" thing. :D In lieu of doing a crummy thing like changing sides, aiming the CV at a PT spawn, spitefully telling his squadies to sink it, and then got caught as the CV sunk. Instead of doing "that" he did the "right thing" and chose his family. Tell me? Who was this noble fellow? He's a regular "family man". :rofl

Not attacking you for being gullible....but I have a bridge for sale if your interested.

Gullible?? lol think not.
You assume this person changed sides. No mention of him being on other team was made. You just assumed and we all know what that means. The original post said he had just poped in which means he could have been there all along but was just noticed because he took over the Cv or that he had just logged on.

I regularly change sides to the lowest number team. It makes it much easier to find fights. Most will tell you.... I fight the hardest for the green guys no matter what chess piece is by their icon.

I personally think their daring capture made for a good ongoing fight that made it enjoyable for a bunch of folks who like a good fight. I wish I could have been there!
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Rich46yo on November 05, 2008, 04:35:04 PM
Gullible?? lol think not.
You assume this person changed sides. No mention of him being on other team was made. You just assumed and we all know what that means. The original post said he had just poped in which means he could have been there all along but was just noticed because he took over the Cv or that he had just logged on.

I regularly change sides to the lowest number team. It makes it much easier to find fights. Most will tell you.... I fight the hardest for the green guys no matter what chess piece is by their icon.

I personally think their daring capture made for a good ongoing fight that made it enjoyable for a bunch of folks who like a good fight. I wish I could have been there!


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you'd know the person in question had a family emergency and left the computer. He did not intentionally put put the CV in harms way. He just thought more of his family than some game.

Thats a nice touch tho aint it? :lol That a "family emergency" made you do it and then you had to pick between screwing the cartoon enemy or saving your family member? Hahahahahaha I mean thats beautiful. :rofl And you know what? Some people here, if not most, actually believed it. hahahahahahaha

Theres only one Rook in the top 10 with both the gall and the stones to pull off such a lowlife manuever and then lie about it so smoothly that all you civilians would believe it. Theres a few who would do it on purpose as payback and then look you in the eyeballs as they told you why. But there is only one who would do it like this. Just tell me was it a Rook or a Nit behind this comedy? :rofl

"A family emergency"? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahaha :lol :rofl
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: hubsonfire on November 05, 2008, 04:49:30 PM
It was a bishop "that is a member of a squad not exactly known for honorable actions", and unless he omitted that particular detail, no one changed countries just to do this. Several people mentioned changing sides in the thread, although I don't believe that actually occurred- just the normal paranoia in that regard.

As far as there being an emergency that required an immediate absence, but leaving the game running... meh, who knows.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Shuffler on November 05, 2008, 04:54:55 PM
Life and death? No one said anything aboiut life & death emergency. Could have been anything.


In my many years of life I have found that the person who worries about any particular thing is usually one who does that same thing day in and day out. Someone who steals is always thinking someone is stealing from them. Someone who cheats on their spouse is always thinking their spouse is cheating and on and on.


Top 10 ranking was said... but ranking means nothing in this game. It is so simple to rank as to be comical. I've seen folks high in the ranks that could not fight even a decent fight when they were in a trainer. So ranking does not make them a top stick nor does it make them someone who knows all and sees all.

I have no reason to doubt someone having an emergency simply because it can happen. Now if your priorities are so simple that you place so much concern on a cartoon boat... I pitty you indeed.  :rofl
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: stickpig on November 05, 2008, 05:16:37 PM
Carriers are meant to be sunk.
It may have been 1.5 sectors from an enemy base but which direction was it headed?  Not to attack I bet.
It was taken away with the intent of avoiding a fight. At the very least avoiding having it NIT and attacking your bases.

You have position where you use it effectivly don't ya think? They were moving it so they could fight the ship better. CV's aren't meant to be right offshore
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: Eustace on November 05, 2008, 09:10:02 PM
Perhaps if there was a requirement that you actually must BE on a CV to control it and not AFK for more than 5 min might be a possible solution... just a thought.

Excellent idea.
Title: Re: CV skullduggery
Post by: skribetm on November 05, 2008, 10:18:30 PM
CV SKULLDUGGERY

CV164 was being used by me and squadmates to take a base, A65. We used 8" guns on town, and had one plane up to take down remaining buildings. We kept shelling town to get buildings that pop, while a squadmate's goon upped from a nearby base for the capture. All going as planned until another BISH decided to show up and take the CV. "She" pointed the CV away from A65, thereby not allowing us to use main 8" guns anymore, and whats worse, goon was in A65 dar ring,  ready to get into town but in need of escorts.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3290/3006504147_43476aae00_b.jpg)

So, we hurriedly upped from CV164 and escorted goon to town for take. And take we did.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2165/3007339248_3424316418_b.jpg)

I pleaded for her, prior to A65 capture, to let go of CV164 so that our squad can continue using it. Of course, I get the usual ignore. It makes me believe she just wanted to be a jerk about it. So she kept CV164, and here I am posting about her skullduggery.

I've been in falcnwng's, thndreggs missions, and theyre great, fun people. Apparently, theres always a jerk in one great squad that doesnt mean well for its countrymates/bishes, and in this particular situation, wishing that our squad would fail in taking A65.

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