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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: skyeye422 on November 05, 2008, 06:20:58 PM
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Well, as do I always, I was first off pondering if a AHIII Was comming. If so, could it be modern warfare. F-16's and Raptors in place of Jugs and ponys, Abrams in place of Shermans, the whole 9 yards. This would ROCK!!!!! :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :) <S> you guys, and pls consider!!!!!! :salute
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Go fly in Falcon, BF2, Ace Combat, Lock On.
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there are several things wrong with that
dogfighting is fun but shooting a missle at an opponent 100 miles away not even in sight is terribly boring
plus an air to air gun kill hasn't been made since vietnam and only 1 of them happened anyway
not much of a point
plus there are usually just a few kinds of each fighter so it is boring
we should add more tanks,planes,etc to aces highII before we even consider this
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there are several things wrong with that
dogfighting is fun but shooting a missle at an opponent 100 miles away not even in sight is terribly boring
plus an air to air gun kill hasn't been made since vietnam and only 1 of them happened anyway
not much of a point
plus there are usually just a few kinds of each fighter so it is boring
we should add more tanks,planes,etc to aces highII before we even consider this
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wrong Israelis have done it recently aka in f-15
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when i play games like ace combat, i screw my missles completely and just fire away with my cannon, i hate silly little missle fights
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But it's fun watching a computer fight for you.....
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If BF2 has taught me anything it's that if you give a hardcore video gamer and plane with missiles, they'll use every missile to kill one guy and call them a noob. :lol
I would like to see the Korean War done more than Modern Warfare. WW1 would be even better! :)
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Are you kidding me? I would be so happy to shoot 4 missles, forget about it, and just watch the kills rack up!
But i dont support this idea, it would take too long and just waiting for it would kill me.
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hmm.... lets see... how would this go down?
"YOU AMRAAM MISSLE DWEEB! YOU CANT EVEN FIGHT, INSTEAD, YOU USE LONG RANGE MISSLES INSTEAD OF SHORT RANGE MISSLES!!11!!!!1 I COULDN'T EVEN SEE YOU ON MY RADAR WHEN I DIED!!11!!!!11!!!! UNFAIR!1!!"
I think this is an accurate model of what we'd see :)
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Nine posts and zero accuracy not a record but worth noting.
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WWI
Would be waaaay more fun.
'nuff said
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there are several things wrong with that
dogfighting is fun but shooting a missle at an opponent 100 miles away not even in sight is terribly boring
plus an air to air gun kill hasn't been made since vietnam and only 1 of them happened anyway
not much of a point
plus there are usually just a few kinds of each fighter so it is boring
we should add more tanks,planes,etc to aces highII before we even consider this
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Actually your wrong alot of the pilots in the air war in 1990 and 1991 got gun kils with F-15s F-14s F-16s F-18s and even the tornado got a few gun kills in desert shield and desert storm.
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Actually your wrong alot of the pilots in the air war in 1990 and 1991 got gun kils with F-15s F-14s F-16s F-18s and even the tornado got a few gun kills in desert shield and desert storm.
:confused: no F16 or Tornado air kills at all. only gun kills were by A10s on choppers.
edit: http://128.121.102.226/aakill.html#Dingee-McKenzie (http://128.121.102.226/aakill.html#Dingee-McKenzie) i'm intrigued by the EF-111A kill - did he fry the Mirages electronics?
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Israeli pilots give more credence to a pilot that has one gun kill than they do to a pilot that has several missile kills. Takes more skill.
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Rather than modern - how about a fantasy 1946 arena? Maybe HTC could charge a little extra for it too.
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plus an air to air gun kill hasn't been made since vietnam and only 1 of them happened anyway
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Back in the 1st Gulf War, an A-10 shot down an Iraqi Hind with its 30mm cannon.
ack-ack
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Rather than modern - how about a fantasy 1946 arena? Maybe HTC could charge a little extra for it too.
Please, Go fly IL2. Not here
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air war died with the prop.
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The air war die after the Vietnam war. :(
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WWI
Would be waaaay more fun.
'nuff said
Amen.
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i'm intrigued by the EF-111A kill - did he fry the Mirages electronics?
Proximity kill after the Mirage augured while in pursuit. :D
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Back in the 1st Gulf War, an A-10 shot down an Iraqi Hind with its 30mm cannon.
ack-ack
Ouch for the Hind...
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Ouch for the Hind...
I don't think they felt it. I remember seeing the interview with the A-10 pilot about the shoot down. He said he fired a short burst and the helicopter was no longer there.
ack-ack
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I don't think they felt it. I remember seeing the interview with the A-10 pilot about the shoot down. He said he fired a short burst and the helicopter was no longer there.
ack-ack
lol short burst from that thing equals just how many rounds?
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lol short burst from that thing equals just how many rounds?
IIRC, the pilot said a short burst of around 30 rounds, so a half second burst?
ack-ack
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From
Clashes: Air Combat Over North Vietnam, 1965-1972 by Marshall L. Michel
"A post-Rolling Thunder official report observed that U.S. guns and missiles essentially had the same low effectiveness in kills-per-firing-attempt - about 13 percent - but the report was somewhat deceptive; in many ways scorned as an air-to-air weapon before the war, the cannon proved very effective. The F-105 scored 20 confirmed gun kills, including two head-on kills, in about 140 gun attacks. Because of the difficulty of setting up the gun sight, about 100 F-105 gun attacks were made without the aid of a computing air-to-air sight, producing about 10 kills, for a success ratio of about 10 percent. The F-105s made about 40 gun attacks with the sight in the air-to-air mode, also producing 10 kills for a success rate of about 25%."
You may be interested to know that gun training has far from disappeared from the syllabus. At an exercise I was involved in just a couple of years ago, I observed (with awe) what happened when 2 F-18s bounced an 8 ship of bomb carts. It was simply calls of "guns guns guns" for about a minute and then right at the end a couple of "fox 2s". The kill-removal stream was a conga line. They claimed, and were awarded, all 8 at the debrief.
I'm not advocating anything here, just telling war stories.
rgds
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Well, i can see all of your points, but look at it this way. A F-16 fighting falcon can only carry somthing like 10 missles and you cant kill somthing more than 3 miles away anyway. I have played all of those games but they get boreing because they aint against real people. And im sure aces high would make it harder than "Beep beep....boom!" If you walk up to a member of the airforce and say that.....they wont be happy :) it still takes alot of skill, and yeah, WWII was the golden age of dogfighting but todays is justas golden. I think AHII Rocks, this was just a suggestion.
<S> everyone who bothered argueing :)
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The only reason that modern wars lack aerial fights is because our enemy's air forces suck total ass. Now, if we went DIRECTLY against Russia or China.... There would be a nice air war in that conflict, I guarantee you that... Then, we'd be fighting against skilled adversaries with sufficient numbers of high-tech fighters (instead of MiG-21's for a change) to give us a challenge. You'd see that modern air combat COULD be just as lively as past air wars, but it isn't, because there aren't enough enemy fighters to pose a threat.
That, and they're not very good at it, either.
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Yeah! And then, like, we could get Tai Fighters and, like, X-Wing fighters and Death Stars!
:rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock
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I have a great idea for AH3, Star Wars :rofl
JK :aok
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just shut up now
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A-10 vs a Hind-D, that's just cruel. :lol
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air war died with the prop.
In no way did air warfare die with the prop, but it did change a whole lot.
F-15 :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0QywAeEtNM
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i'm intrigued by the EF-111A kill - did he fry the Mirages electronics?
It was a maneuvering kill. The raven was actually able to MAKE the Mirage enter a situation where it could not pull up out of a dive. It was completely intentional, and not the first incident of a fighter getting an air-to-air victory in such a way.
I bet he's mighty proud of the kill mark on his plane. :aok
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It was a maneuvering kill. The raven was actually able to MAKE the Mirage enter a situation where it could not pull up out of a dive. It was completely intentional, and not the first incident of a fighter getting an air-to-air victory in such a way.
I did that to a P-38L while flying a C-47 in AH many years ago. Quite intentionally killed him. Said to myself "If I pull down and around like this, I bet he noses down hard to try to get me and if he does that, he'll hit that hill." And he did.
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3 Royal navy sea harriers scored gun kills against Douglas sky hawks over the Falkland isles as well as at least 1 Mirage.
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If it were anthing other than WW2 I probably wouldn't play
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While it would be nice to have a sim as simple to operate and as well-modeled as AHII, except for the fact you have jets to play with, I don't foresee this happening really ever. Although, going after a MiG-29 in an F4E while avoiding a Meteor Mk.VIII might be kinda fun.....