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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Phil on November 08, 2008, 08:06:35 AM
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Why can't planes refuel/ rearm at Vbases ???
Make it challenging ! Small runway and tricky to land ! Obstructions on the side that requires the pilot to steer straight otherwise ya lose your wing !
Fuel up from 45gallons drums. 45sec instead of 30sec !
Minimum quantity only. If teamates refueled before you, you're out of luck for the next 10minutes or so....
Phil /OPP7755
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Because it is a vehicle base and a veh base is not equiped with aviation supplies or personel to perform the refueling or rearming of a plane.
An airfield is able to perform the same on a gv becuase anyone can refuel a jeep, tank, etc.
At least, that is my educated opinion. ;)
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This is all about trying to get your plane back into the furball more quickly. Vbases should remain as they are for these purposes
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Good point...
That's why I mentioned making it "limited" quantity....
No personel to work on the plane, pilot does it himself ! Takes more time ! 45sec - 60sec, instead of 30sec
I'm sure during the war years, some pilots landed at small depots/farm/villages and found some fuel to pump in their kites.....
Phil / OPP7755
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Good point...
That's why I mentioned making it "limited" quantity....
No personel to work on the plane, pilot does it himself ! Takes more time ! 45sec - 60sec, instead of 30sec
I'm sure during the war years, some pilots landed at small depots/farm/villages and found some fuel to pump in their kites.....
Phil / OPP7755
noooo, they dint just "land" and refuel themselves. There is far more things going on when refueling a plane than you think. It doesnt take standard petrol, ya know. ;) Re-arming? Piltos dont know the first thing about linking the ammo belts, or mounting a bomb (they make have watch it be done, but that doesnt mean thay can do it). I doubt one man could load a bomb anyways... 500lbs is not light. Ditto for rockets, etc.
Move on to the next topic please. :)
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Okkkkkk !
You win !
Its just sometimes airfields are so far away from Vbases...
It would be tricky because a plane could lift from base and surprise the advancing gv's..
Maybe fuel available, not ammo. See your point regarding pilots not rearming their own :aok
Phil
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Okkkkkk !
You win !
Its just sometimes airfields are so far away from Vbases...
It would be tricky because a plane could lift from base and surprise the advancing gv's..
wha? I'm the only one that has landed an A20 at a vbase and waited for it to start flashing? :D
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I'm the only one that has landed an A20 at a vbase and waited for it to start flashing? :D
No, you aren't ;)
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A20? Bah, B-25 is better! No need to even take-off. :D
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A20? Bah, B-25 is better! No need to even take-off. :D
:O Big ol' funny lookin' tank in them there trees Elmer! Look out!
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wha? I'm the only one that has landed an A20 at a vbase and waited for it to start flashing? :D
<--- F6F-5 here.
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:O Big ol' funny lookin' tank in them there trees Elmer! Look out!
i seen X(1701) roll a 25 around a gv batttle on the ground with no wings, and kill gv's, so it's definately doable..
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[quote i seen X(1701) roll a 25 around a gv batttle on the ground with no wings, and kill gv's, so it's definately doable..[/quote]
You don't have film of this do ya :lol would love to see it :rofl
:salute
BigRat
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Once I waited behind the indestrustable in a 25 until the Panzer and M4 rolled onto the base. when they heard me start up the engines they scattered into the middle of the field and I shot both of them on the ground.
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Okkkkkk !
You win !
Its just sometimes airfields are so far away from Vbases...
It would be tricky because a plane could lift from base and surprise the advancing gv's..
Maybe fuel available, not ammo. See your point regarding pilots not rearming their own :aok
Phil
Many times they are far away from airfields for a reason. Usually to prevent or discourage planes from going there. If you think they are far away now, just wait. :t
Aviation fuel would not be available at a GV base in any quantity. So, I don't think it should be available here in any quantity.
If I land and wait at a GV base it's not for the GVs. It's for the bombers that come there. :)
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IIRC, atleast 1 TD had a radial engine,M10?
If so would it require avgrade fuel?
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[quote i seen X(1701) roll a 25 around a gv batttle on the ground with no wings, and kill gv's, so it's definately doable..
You don't have film of this do ya :lol would love to see it :rofl
:salute
BigRat
I have films of me doing it quite a bit, the trouble is finding said film. :D
Works best if I have to kill flaks, they look the wrong way.
:salute
X
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IIRC, atleast 1 TD had a radial engine,M10?
If so would it require avgrade fuel?
Radial is just a structural shape (sorry if wrong term). It's not requiring any specific fuel per se. You can build a radial running on diesel, alcohol, etc.
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Once I waited behind the indestrustable in a 25 until the Panzer and M4 rolled onto the base. when they heard me start up the engines they scattered into the middle of the field and I shot both of them on the ground.
That's why you use a p38G, nose mounted rockets, and I do believe the engines are slightly quieter than the tanks, they can't hear you comin! ;)
If I remember right it was either lusche or murdr who posted on huntin GV's on the ground with a p38...
Quite fun actually :D
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Radial is just a structural shape (sorry if wrong term). It's not requiring any specific fuel per se. You can build a radial running on diesel, alcohol, etc.
Indeed,I assumed they would have use unneeded less powerful A/C engines.
ps,was adding fuel to the fire so to speak. :devil
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as I recall, the military has been huge on using a few fuel types for many vehicles--- as such, for example, JP8 can be used in or HMMWV's... At least, before we started up-armoring them and etc....
If I am not mistaken, and please correct me if I am, WWII used AVGAS, which is 100 octane, similiar to racing fuels, which could be used in non-diesel vehicles, which COULD be found at a VBase.... I dont know, I kind of like the idea---- running low on fuel, stop at a vbase, wait a little longer, but get some fuel to continue the flight home....
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Okkkkkk !
You win !
Its just sometimes airfields are so far away from Vbases...
It would be tricky because a plane could lift from base and surprise the advancing gv's..
Maybe fuel available, not ammo. See your point regarding pilots not rearming their own :aok
Phil
I just got here... And the maker of the thread already lost? Where's my fun? ;)
-FYB
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Same fuel or not, there isnt the qualified personel at a vbase to refuel and rearm a plane. And the pilot is certainly not qualified to do so himself.
This falls into a "gaming the game" request.
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as I recall, the military has been huge on using a few fuel types for many vehicles--- as such, for example, JP8 can be used in or HMMWV's... At least, before we started up-armoring them and etc....
You are quite right about ground vehicles being able to use aircraft fuels in modern day. For example, I am a U.S. Air Force Firefighter and we use crash trucks for our aircraft emergencies and when studying these trucks we learn what we can use for emergency back-up fuels. The P-19 can use regular diesel fuel but if that fuel is unavailable, then we can fuel it up with either JP-4, JP-5, or JP-8 jet fuel and be good to go because those fuels are pretty much diesel fuels themselves. A lot of our fire trucks have that ability because of deployment and the threat of fuel sources being wiped out so we have to have alternative fuel sources so we can continue to provide fire protection for the base because without a fire dept. the base pretty much can not operate.
A short story on that last sentence, I was deployed to Iraq and we had gotten rockets launched at us and the base was hit, I was working in the alarm room and every truck but one truck was at a fire so all we had left available at the fire station for water was 3000 gallons of water in one truck. The tower called and asked if they could resume flying operations and I told them no because we cannot provide adequate water on such short notice because of the fire elsewhere on base. Anyway, back to the topic.
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noooo, they dint just "land" and refuel themselves. There is far more things going on when refueling a plane than you think. It doesnt take standard petrol, ya know. ;) Re-arming? Piltos dont know the first thing about linking the ammo belts, or mounting a bomb (they make have watch it be done, but that doesnt mean thay can do it). I doubt one man could load a bomb anyways... 500lbs is not light. Ditto for rockets, etc.
Move on to the next topic please. :)
Since when does anything pertain to realism in here. I doubt that there was a thing called a vehicle base since most tank units during ww2 were in the field. They were repaired and supplied either in the field or at moble repair sites just behind enemy lines.
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Since when does anything pertain to realism in here. I doubt that there was a thing called a vehicle base since most tank units during ww2 were in the field. They were repaired and supplied either in the field or at moble repair sites just behind enemy lines.
You've just reinforced my point. Thanks. ;)
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IIRC, atleast 1 TD had a radial engine,M10?
If so would it require avgrade fuel?
M-4 Sherman.
Used a 400hp 9-cylinder single row air-cooled surplus aircraft radial or a 550hp V-8 Ford that was basically a V-12 Packard-Merlin with 4 cylinders chopped off. The radials used to foul spark plugs all the time because it was run at low RPM so much while idling.
The thing you are forgetting is they are not supercharged like an aircraft is. Higher octane fuel would not be needed.
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