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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Furball on November 10, 2008, 02:40:16 AM
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Do they only get released after the entire scenario has finished? :mad: :(
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Yes they will be posted after Frame 4. This has been the case for the last few scenarios, so better get used to it. :)
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well i can tell you for sure that Blauk has atleast 1 kill :cry
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Yes they will be posted after Frame 4. This has been the case for the last few scenarios, so better get used to it. :)
I still don't like it :(
Maybe basic logs should get released before the next frame, with detailed logs released after the event. In war the intelligence officers would have drawn up a picture about what is going.
I wanna see if i got credit for shooting hub's chute from PT boat.
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Do they only get released after the entire scenario has finished? :mad: :(
A retarded stupid idea huh? Some joker does 1 scenario and thinks he needs to change the way its been for 20 years. I mean god forbid if one team new they were behind they might all quit.. instead of trying harder.
:rolleyes:
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I was already rescued, ya d-bag. :furious
I like the post-event logs.
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<--- holds out paw .... better get the brib here befor i finish reviewing logs.
I can tell ya there was alot of killings and thousands of assists
Fariz looks like top axis with 6
Furball only had 5
mipoikel had 4 + for the Raf
OK that was just a quick look and may not be totally accurate .
The rest of you are NOT gettting results /logs til the End of the scenario !!!
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You have your own log. It's called "film". Use it. Save it. Review It. :aok
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A retarded stupid idea huh? Some joker does 1 scenario and thinks he needs to change the way its been for 20 years. I mean god forbid if one team new they were behind they might all quit.. instead of trying harder.
:rolleyes:
Actually, i am more than "some joker" because i have participated in scenarios whenever i could for the years that i have been in Aces High.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,156517.0.html
It has not been that way for 20 years, the majority of scenarios have released logs after every frame. This is likely the last scenario i will participate in, so wanted to know the result before i go away in late November.
War is not fought completely blind, there are intelligence reports, and if 1 side is willing to give up after getting a pasting after the first few frames i would be surprised.
<--- holds out paw .... better get the brib here befor i finish reviewing logs.
I can tell ya there was alot of killings and thousands of assists
Fariz looks like top axis with 6
Furball only had 5
mipoikel had 4 + for the Raf
OK that was just a quick look and may not be totally accurate .
The rest of you are NOT gettting results /logs til the End of the scenario !!!
TY Ros :D :aok
Thought i had more than that, guess i got a few assists.
<S> to all involved, i had a great time.
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I would prefer to have the logs after every frame. I'm not going to whine about it, but there's my opinion.
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War is not fought completely blind, there are intelligence reports, and if 1 side is willing to give up after getting a pasting after the first few frames i would be surprised.
To expand a little Furball, most intel reports come from whatever side you're on, IRL there was no central entity that would disclose the damage inflicted by each side, you could only go off of reports from your own allies. Therefore, it is up to each side to develop their own intel reports after each battle. There have already been some on the Axis side that were put up with the AAR's after reviewing film and from pilot recollection. So, Sloehand has the right idea, film and review.
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ok guys this is it ... we stopped posting frame logs til end of scenario over a year ago .
the main Reason >> Because to many players Quit when/if they think they are losing . <<the main reason.
Also no logs add to the Emersion value . Now you have to make AAR's and sometimes guess what was accomplished or review films.
Currently We are keeping a Full Player Tally and Scenarios have been getting closer to full "Historic" value.
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Maybe basic logs should get released before the next frame, with detailed logs released after the event. In war the intelligence officers would have drawn up a picture about what is going.
I like this idea. I don't care to know who won the frame, but it's fun to read the list of who shot down who.
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To expand a little Furball, most intel reports come from whatever side you're on, IRL there was no central entity that would disclose the damage inflicted by each side, you could only go off of reports from your own allies. Therefore, it is up to each side to develop their own intel reports after each battle. There have already been some on the Axis side that were put up with the AAR's after reviewing film and from pilot recollection. So, Sloehand has the right idea, film and review.
That's fair enough, i love scenario AARs. But IRL there would be post operation photo recon reviewed by intelligence officers for damage assessment, debriefings and reports, spies, interception of enemy traffic, observers on the ground/ships/bombers all collated by another source.
ok guys this is it ... we stopped posting frame logs til end of scenario over a year ago .
the main Reason >> Because to many players Quit when/if they think they are losing . <<the main reason.
Also no logs add to the Emersion value . Now you have to make AAR's and sometimes guess what was accomplished or review films.
Currently We are keeping a Full Player Tally and Scenarios have been getting closer to full "Historic" value.
Anyway, i just wanted to see the logs and how we did. Whatever system works best, you know much better than i do. :aok
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That's fair enough, i love scenario AARs. But IRL there would be post operation photo recon reviewed by intelligence officers for damage assessment, debriefings and reports, spies, interception of enemy traffic, observers on the ground/ships/bombers all collated by another source.
Anyway, i just wanted to see the logs and how we did. Whatever system works best, you know much better than i do. :aok
That's exactly what I am saying. If whoever is in charge of each side appoints an intel officer to collect films and whatnot from each of the squads since you're not allowed to intercept radio traffic, have secret operatives, etc. etc. you would have those high quality intel reports if they put them together which does take time. The AAR's that are done on the Axis side are top notch from what I have seen so far, it just takes time to read them. I was just saying that you wouldn't have one centralized organization like the CM's to post damage for both sides, you would only have your side's intel officers to do the work. Put it out there and see if anybody steps up to the task, there are still 2 frames to go.
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I wanna see if i got credit for shooting hub's chute from PT boat.
.... pilots on the ground or in parachutes may not be shot at by enemy aircraft....
Bailed pilots and rescue craft shall be considered inviolate and must not be attacked under any circumstances.
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I like this idea. I don't care to know who won the frame, but it's fun to read the list of who shot down who.
Rather than do logs if they do not add to the immersion factor. The CM team, or leader of each country with a little inside information, could produce a 'newspaper' (thinking just front page) after every frame for each team, not detailed but to give tidbits of info in how to improve for the next frame and give an idea of how they are performing. Heck, could even add a bit of propaganda. That would be immensely fun and add to team spirit.
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.... pilots on the ground or in parachutes may not be shot at by enemy aircraft....
Bailed pilots and rescue craft shall be considered inviolate and must not be attacked under any circumstances.
I wasn't serious flossy ;)
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Oh OK..... good :) :aok
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Yes he is. A proper reviewing of the logs will show I blew up hub's chute with a salvo of torpedoes.
No kill fo joo Fwurby!
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Rather than do logs if they do not add to the immersion factor. The CM team, or leader of each country with a little inside information, could produce a 'newspaper' (thinking just front page) after every frame for each team, not detailed but to give tidbits of info in how to improve for the next frame and give an idea of how they are performing. Heck, could even add a bit of propaganda. That would be immensely fun and add to team spirit.
You need folk willing to work at it a little bit Furb. Fog of war and all that. In DGS when we went with no logs, the LW was convinced it was losing. They won the thing :)
So how the HQ took in the AARs, interpreted the info and passed it on was a big deal. I can't speak for the LW guys, but many of the Allied Groups, like my 474th 38s did AARs after each frame. It was fun to compare what we thought we saw from the reality after it was over. Numbers for each frame stayed consitant or up too as no one was focused on the logs and who was 'winning' based on that. my 2 and a shared kills, turned out to be only 1 kill after all that. And the 190 I thought I got had his wing come off right in front of me, but a buff gunner actually got the kill.
As far as the propaganda aspect of it. That's up to the leadership on both sides to promote.
I don't think this was ever close to the truth, but as the English people were buying it, that's all that mattered :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BOB.jpg)
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That's fair enough, i love scenario AARs. But IRL there would be post operation photo recon reviewed by intelligence officers for damage assessment, debriefings and reports, spies, interception of enemy traffic, observers on the ground/ships/bombers all collated by another source.
Anyway, i just wanted to see the logs and how we did. Whatever system works best, you know much better than i do. :aok
I wasnt callin you a joker and if you read what Flos said "Yes they will be posted after Frame 4. This has been the case for the last few scenarios, so better get used to it." you might have understood that I was saying what you are.
I dont like it either. The Great talking heads of DGS decided it would be better for the rest of us peeons not to know what the score was or how we did each frame. :aok
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The Great talking heads of DGS decided it would be better for the rest of us peeons not to know what the score was or how we did each frame.
It is for the best not to release the logs... if they were released for the BoB, I'm certain we wouldn't have the attendance we have now.
However, to even look in the logs and post any of the information contained is wrong, it could of waited until after the scenario was over.
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It is for the best not to release the logs... if they were released for the BoB, I'm certain we wouldn't have the attendance we have now.
However, to even look in the logs and post any of the information contained is wrong, it could of waited until after the scenario was over.
Who says its best U? I dont think its best and neither do alot of people and the {i just wanna have FUN} fog of war idea sucks. :lol I think there would be more people not less. As Furball said there would be all kinds of intellengence gathering.
The logs represent that. People like myself and others like to know how they did or if they just want to know if they shot there friend down.
Furball<---4 weeks later ...Ah well we got the logs now lets see if i got my friend... ah well nope I didnt... sure glad i waited for that and so much excitement left to talk about :rolleyes:
Its a stupid idea :aok good for about 1/25th of the scenario escapist experts.
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Who says its best U? I dont think its best and neither do alot of people and the {i just wanna have FUN} fog of war idea sucks. :lol I think there would be more people not less.
the fog of war/hold back logs til end has been throughly tested and observed over the years . so far its kept the scenario players coming back .
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well i can tell you for sure that Blauk has atleast 1 kill :cry
Now now... that is happy news, isn't it? Let's not be sad about it ;)
:salute -> Uptown
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The LW is taking photos for BDA. We have a general idea of what is going on. Also....kills in the squads I've flown in are confirmed by not only the victorious Pilot but also by a squadmate who might have had a better view.
AARs give you an idea on how your side is progressing. BDA is telling you a great deal also.
I'm for not having the Logs published also until after the event. It keeps more interested in the Scenario.