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Title: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: 96Delta on November 16, 2008, 10:52:27 PM
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Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: PFactorDave on November 16, 2008, 11:24:14 PM
Oh goody!  This was fun last time!  Hopefully will be a good time again!   :aok
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: stodd on November 16, 2008, 11:47:00 PM
I had an absolute blast last time :aok
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Curlew on November 17, 2008, 12:02:46 AM
Im stoked
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: skribetm on November 17, 2008, 05:47:31 AM
I've been waiting a month for this!!!   :salute LCA

Please use the 47N, it has better hi alt performance at WEP than the D-25.

TA-152  vs.  47N will be a great fight at 30k!
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: uptown on November 17, 2008, 06:46:01 AM
count me in  :aok
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: swareiam on November 17, 2008, 08:41:52 AM
96Delta,

This event truly ROCKED! HCFG was stoked and enjoyed it thoroughly. We look forward to the next event. HCFG will be there in force.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Anaxogoras on November 17, 2008, 08:53:27 AM
Oh boy!  More P-51 pilots to strip from their bombers and then pick off when they're alone. :t
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: MjTalon on November 17, 2008, 09:08:06 AM
will be sure to get online for this hopefully
Title: Bomber Formation
Post by: Erkel on November 17, 2008, 09:32:02 AM
Heh, never thought I'd be helping rooks, but I have a webpage for bomber formations that you guys might be interested in.

It's RARE that you see bombers approaching targets in formation.  Rather than coming in formation it's usually "same sky, same day" making stragglers easy pickin's for lone fighters to tear them apart.  With a tight formation, fighters are going to have MANY more guns aimed at them when they move in for the kill and their chances of surviving are seriously diminished.

So, if anyone is interested, check out Black Sheep Squadron's page on formation flying: http://www.freewebs.com/ah2blacksheep/formations.htm (http://www.freewebs.com/ah2blacksheep/formations.htm)
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: TheBug on November 17, 2008, 06:09:45 PM
Wow, very nice 96Delta!  Thanks for taking the time to set these missions up <S>
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Motherland on November 17, 2008, 06:12:30 PM
Jagdgeschwader 11 is beginning training with a new secret weapon. When your bombers begin exploding for no apparent reason, you will know who is there to intercept you.
*Dramatic Evil Laugh*
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: HighTone on November 17, 2008, 10:26:32 PM
 :aok <S> LCA


Don't worry bomber pilots, you'll get through with out a scratch
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Delirium on November 18, 2008, 01:15:04 AM
96Delta, if you can promise your target will not be an airfield, HQ, and you won't be NOE, I will do my best to supply you with some quality escorts.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Guppy35 on November 18, 2008, 02:23:06 AM
And do it as accurately as possible history wise.  November 44,  Merseberg time maybe.  Same time frame as DGS.  Get the Jug drivers in D-25s or 30s,  B and D ponies.  38j and L 38s.  Put a piece of history within the game as best you can.  As Del says, we'll bring you some escorts
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Cobra516 on November 18, 2008, 02:29:14 AM
I had a blast with the last one, I really appreciate you taking the time to put all this together, you've done a lot of work with it, looking forward to see it in action!

Charly & I plan to be there. <S>
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: uptown on November 18, 2008, 05:18:39 AM
And do it as accurately as possible history wise.  November 44,  Merseberg time maybe.  Same time frame as DGS.  Get the Jug drivers in D-25s or 30s,  B and D ponies.  38j and L 38s.  Put a piece of history within the game as best you can.  As Del says, we'll bring you some escorts

Yes! I was hoping the 38 guys would speak to this. :salute
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Stampf on November 18, 2008, 05:33:08 AM
<S> Delta.  We will be there.  :aok
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Rich46yo on November 18, 2008, 05:41:59 AM
Like the song says, "I'll be there".
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Ponyace on November 18, 2008, 07:54:51 AM
Ah man, I LOVE THIS EVENT
Only problem, I cant make it. 25th is the day I leave to see some relatives.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Denholm on November 18, 2008, 08:58:49 AM
Wow, you guys sure make it tough on the CM staff. :D
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: iTunes on November 18, 2008, 10:46:14 AM
Lets just hope that the the guys hunting the buffs don't all up the Jugs etc, be good if the opposing side could stick to a Gentlemens agreement on this?
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Kazaa on November 18, 2008, 10:50:11 AM
Fun, fun, fun.  :D
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: whiteman on November 18, 2008, 10:54:09 AM
Will be there and flying escort with you guys tis time, yall got jumped early last time.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: 96Delta on November 18, 2008, 11:17:52 AM
And do it as accurately as possible history wise.  November 44,  Merseberg time maybe.  Same time frame as DGS.  Get the Jug drivers in D-25s or 30s,  B and D ponies.  38j and L 38s.  Put a piece of history within the game as best you can.  As Del says, we'll bring you some escorts

Historical immersion is a key objective of MoM Guppy.
Here is our Order of Battle (if participation levels permit)

I have a nifty org chart of this in the orders but here is the redacted text version.
(You will find that these unit designations are also historical)

1st Combat Bombardment Wing
• 91st Bomb Wing (B-17G)  CO: Tarstar (LCA)
• 381st Bomb Wing (B-17G)  CO: 96Delta (LCA)
• 398th Bomb Wing (B-17G) CO: pd37 (LCA)

67th Fighter Wing
• 364th Fighter Group (P-38L) CO: Hightone (LCA)
• 352nd Fighter Group (P-47D-25)  CO: Limbo0 (357th Death Dragons)
• 356th Fighter Group (P-51D) CO: Dakone (LCA)

My hope is to eventually rotate Bomber and Fighter Group
commands among ROOK squadron commanders in future MoM events.
ROOK Squadron commanders interested in commanding a group
in a future MoM can register on our website at http://www.lcasquad.org/

Delirium, we will be targeting strats and we will most definitely not be NOE!
To read about the last MoM you can read these threads:

Announcement & Discussion
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,249260.0.html

AAR
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,250324.0.html

The only thing that worries me is cheaters and spies who don't want
a fair fight but who only want to ruin other people's fun.  If we could
purge these vermin from our midst, everyone in the arena can have
a great time.  I hope that everyone who enjoys this stuff will ignore
or, better yet, expose these vandals for all to see.

Thanks for your interest.  Hope you can make it!   :aok
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Sloehand on November 18, 2008, 11:39:03 AM
Not knowing too much about all this, it sounds like fun.  However, historically the Axis knew they were fighting the Allies, and they would be coming to hit their country.  Everybody knew who the enemy was and who's targets would be hit. 

If this doesn't ruin everything, would it be fair to ask if you are going after Knits or Bish?  Last MoM many spent an hour just trying to find out which country you were attacking to join in.  You might negate some people spying to find out who you've chosen for an opponent.  Not asking the actual targets, just what one-third of the map you will be operating in so people can give you a good fight.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Twizzty on November 18, 2008, 11:45:54 AM
Warming up the 152!
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Wingnutt on November 18, 2008, 11:57:19 AM
just wanna drop a <S>

  :aok :aok
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: 96Delta on November 18, 2008, 12:59:25 PM
However, historically the Axis knew they were fighting the Allies, and they would be
coming to hit their country.  Everybody knew who the enemy was and who's targets would be hit. 

Sloehand, the issue that caused us the most grief last time were spies with two
accounts who reported what bases we were launching from and what our flight path
would be.  We were even told that much of our opposition were already airborne
and on the way directly towards us before we even spawned on the runway!!  :mad: 
That's just 'gaming' the game and undermines the historical 'feel' we are trying for.

Now I have no problem with squads sending out scouts or just using their common
sense to see where we are but the spying thing is completely indefensible, as
is anyone who uses info derived from spying to launch an attack.

To thwart this kind of nonsense, I may just change the posted mission launch
bases a few minutes before we launch.  Then anyone who launched based on spy intel
will be flying to an empty corner of the map.  There is a downside to this but
in the end, we may have no choice.

If this doesn't ruin everything, would it be fair to ask if you are going after Knits or Bish?  Last MoM many spent an hour just trying to find out which country you were attacking to join in.  You might negate some people spying to find out who you've chosen for an opponent.  Not asking the actual targets, just what one-third of the map you will be operating in so people can give you a good fight. 

Anyway, to answer your question, we won't know what country (or countries)
we will be attacking until we get a chance to look at the map and can see where
the most viable targets are.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Stampf on November 18, 2008, 07:11:51 PM
 :salute Delta.

The 'Sonderstaffel' looks forward to another grand time.

In case anyone missed the last installment of these most excellent missions, take a looky here:

http://exposureroom.com/members/33vortex.aspx/assets/7067cabc9d704e6fb026d89d0fa81333/
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: zoozoo on November 18, 2008, 07:25:38 PM
 :aok :aok :aok :aok Cant wait!

I think thats my pic i sent u in left but im not sure  :rolleyes:

C u there delta!
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: 96Delta on November 18, 2008, 10:11:23 PM
If we get enough pilots, this is what we hope
to deploy.  Fighters are indexed to bombers.
The more bomber pilots we have, the more
fighters.

(http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/images/MoM/MoM02.OrderofBattleGeneric.gif)

Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: PFactorDave on November 18, 2008, 10:42:29 PM
96Delta, this is really a cool thing you are doing.  I applaud your efforts.

One thing you should know.  During your last one, I was a Bishop (as always).  I actually launched in a fully fueled (including DTs) Mossie and made it to 30k and the center of the map before your mission launched.  It was quite simple to figure out the bases you were launching from simply from the Dar Bars.  I actually flew over the bombers without seeing them because they were so much lower then I expected them to be.  I was seeing Jug after Jug, but no B17s.  I learned later, watching the film, that the B17s passed beneath me at about 15k while I was watching all the black dots that turned out to be Jugs.

Basically just saying that totally without spy information, I found (or would have had I been paying closer attention) the bombers while they were still pretty low (relatively speaking).

I think it would be a mistake for you to blame the interception of the mission solely on spies.  That said, anything you can think of to foil potential spies is probably a good idea.  But you might want to consider taking steps to otherwise mask your launch points.

Perhaps a classic long range NOE run at the two opposing countries' HQs to hit shortly before mission launch.

Just a thought.

 :salute
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: bongaroo on November 19, 2008, 10:09:48 AM
Perhaps a classic long range NOE run at the two opposing countries' HQs to hit shortly before mission launch.

No reason.  HQ's can easily be resupplied by a few people in a matter of minutes.  The best bet is to launch from fields deep in friendly territory.  Have your close escorts watching the bombers and get your other fighters sweeping ahead.

As far as spies and not letting anyone know even what country will be targeted...well I've stated quite a number of times that it shouldn't be a big deal.  People make the "o noes!  spiiies!" excuse up for any failings.

Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: 96Delta on November 19, 2008, 10:30:35 AM
Guys,

The claim of spying wasn't conjecture.

We were told that there were spies giving out our mission particulars
before we spawned.  That gave people the chance to take-off,
get to altitude, and hit us before we were even a quarter of the way
to the target.

Dave, you used your head.  I applaud those of you who used
your noggins to intercept us.  What I am opposed to is the
guy who joins the ROOKS and looks at the missions just so they
can report on what we are doing...before we do anything!

As MoM missions grow, I hope to make them squadron-centric
where we will no longer have to post missions using the mission
editor but can pre-plan everything offline and in advance. 
Until that time I need to implement protocols to at
least minimize the success of active spying.

But not to worry, I think people who rely on "spy" intel will be sorely
disappointed this go'round.

• IMPORTANT NOTE FOR ROOK PARTICIPANTS •
It is critically important that everyone who wants to participate
join the posted missions and NOT attempt to wait on the launch base
runway for the mission to spawn. 

We may end up launching from a totally different base than the one
we originally posted in the mission editor and you will find yourself
missing the mission.  Just join the posted mission and you will be okay. 

I know that you won't have your preferred skin but there's not
much that can be done about that.  Maybe someday Hitech will
build an option into the mission editor that lets pilots select
their preferred skin when they join but until then we are stuck
with the default. (or better yet, let the mission designer select the
skin for the planes in their mission..I would LOVE that!)

David
"96Delta"
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: bongaroo on November 19, 2008, 10:37:56 AM
I'm not trying to tell you there were spies or not.  Don't care if there is.  They do very little to change what is going to happen.  Even if you don't announce the target they will be able to relay any info they want.

If you use your resources to up the bombers far enough back to climb and level and have a screen of fighters sweep ahead you'll be much better off than trying to prevent "spies" from raining on your parade.

What I'm trying to tell you is that you can very simply inform participants an approximate time and the country the target(s) are located in.  With that you've defeated half the problem.  No need to try and sneak around to keep spies from giving away info.

Anyways, I'd much rather have spies bringing people up to fight as opposed to some cake walk.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: 96Delta on November 19, 2008, 11:02:54 AM
If you use your resources to up the bombers far enough back to climb and level and have a screen of fighters sweep ahead you'll be much better off than trying to prevent "spies" from raining on your parade.

Bong, you are missing my point.
If a spy reports our launch bases and takeoff times the opposition can be
in the air and over the launch bases before we ever get airborne.
There will be no "fighter sweep" because they will be getting
vulched as they launch.

This is only possible because we have to advertise the missions publically and
solicit wider ROOK involvement. Because we want to get as many
players as possible into the mission, we leave about 30 minutes for
people to join.  Unfortunately, this gives our adversaries tons of time
to reach and orbit our bases and flight path at high alt so they can
have a grand old time at the bombers and (still-heavy) escorts expense. 
The idea behind MoM is not to setup a baby seal clubbing festival for the
Bishops or Knights.  We want a fair battle.  Spying of the type
I have already outlined makes achieving that goal more difficult.

Once we get the squadron-based participation of MoM squared away,
that will no longer be a problem as the missions will no longer be
advertised for the broader ROOK community.

Until that time, I will enjoy finding ways to turn the cheaters into
assets for our team.  It adds a whole new dimension to the
experience...and I guess that means a heightened level of
realism too.   :)

Finally, do you, in your wildest imaginations, ever see that a swarm
of 200 bombers and 100 fighters would not meet with significant opposition?
I don't think that any MoM mission can ever be a "cake walk"!
We will always attract far too much attention for that to ever occur.  :O
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: bongaroo on November 19, 2008, 12:49:17 PM
Bong, you are missing my point.
If a spy reports our launch bases and takeoff times the opposition can be
in the air and over the launch bases before we ever get airborne.
There will be no "fighter sweep" because they will be getting
vulched as they launch.

Not a problem if you launch away from the frontline.

This is only possible because we have to advertise the missions publically and
solicit wider ROOK involvement. Because we want to get as many
players as possible into the mission, we leave about 30 minutes for
people to join.  Unfortunately, this gives our adversaries tons of time
to reach and orbit our bases and flight path at high alt so they can
have a grand old time at the bombers and (still-heavy) escorts expense. 
The idea behind MoM is not to setup a baby seal clubbing festival for the
Bishops or Knights.  We want a fair battle.  Spying of the type
I have already outlined makes achieving that goal more difficult.

From the interest alone generated here on the BBS alone you have a lot of people wanting to play.  Have one of your escort wings up right from the beginning to go ahead and defend your launch bases if your that worried.

Once we get the squadron-based participation of MoM squared away,
that will no longer be a problem as the missions will no longer be
advertised for the broader ROOK community.

At that point lets just move it to the SEA and make it a monthly DGS thing.

Until that time, I will enjoy finding ways to turn the cheaters into
assets for our team.  It adds a whole new dimension to the
experience...and I guess that means a heightened level of
realism too.   :)

wtg?    :rolleyes:   sounds sillier than actually spying in a video game

Finally, do you, in your wildest imaginations, ever see that a swarm
of 200 bombers and 100 fighters would not meet with significant opposition?
I don't think that any MoM mission can ever be a "cake walk"!
We will always attract far too much attention for that to ever occur.  :O

actually due to the games limitations no one will ever see a swarm of bombers and fighters that big.  Thats why your bombers complained of not being able to see their attackers until they were under 2k out.  Your missions are fun but they are nothing on what the last two frames of DGS were.  Again, I think with the numbers your event can obviously attract your going to (or already have) hit a critical mass of players.  You'll need to split up the bomber groups and give them different targets to ever get past this limitation. 


Love the energy, kinda hate the implimentation your group pursues.  Good luck, I won't be making this one.  I'll be travelling for the holiday.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: 96Delta on November 19, 2008, 08:41:26 PM
kinda hate the implimentation your group pursues.

Wish you would offer some explanations on why you feel this way
and what you would do differently.

Anyway, always looking for some well-reasoned ideas on how
this might be improved.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: HighTone on November 19, 2008, 10:06:46 PM
<S> LCA...Still cant wait :aok
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: 96Delta on November 20, 2008, 09:49:23 AM
I've been waiting a month for this!!!   :salute LCA

Please use the 47N, it has better hi alt performance at WEP than the D-25.

TA-152  vs.  47N will be a great fight at 30k!

Sorry but I have to stick to the dash-25 to maintain the
historical profile.  The P-47N was relegated to the Pacific
IIRC.  These MoM missions, at least for the present,
are tyrying to capture the atmosphere of the bombing
campaign against Fortress Europa.  ;)
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Shuffler on November 20, 2008, 01:27:57 PM
I pretty sure you'll find a few 38s in your cover.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: bongaroo on November 20, 2008, 03:04:53 PM
Wish you would offer some explanations on why you feel this way
and what you would do differently.

Anyway, always looking for some well-reasoned ideas on how
this might be improved.

I gave plenty of advice.  Read the green text in the quote.  Any problems you say are caused by spying are simply addressed.  The problems with the number of players that can be shown in any given area of the arena is taken care of by spreading out the bombers into groups attacking seperate but nearby targets (so your sweeps can effectively clear more airspace)

The last piece of advice I would give is to find someone to organize interceptor missions on your mission.  Sure seeing enemy planes enter the bomber box 1 by 1 to die is fun, but the sheer terror of seeing 20+ 190a8s scream in all at once to the box is amazing!

Anyways, good luck.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: 96Delta on November 20, 2008, 09:06:40 PM
I see a lot of fighter squadrons and individual pilots
are interested in participating.

BUT

What I tend to need are more, many more
bombers than we had last time.  I'm hoping for
60-75 sets of B-17's!  So, if you are interested in flying
a bomber (even if you are not good at it) please
consider flying one.  Even if you can't bomb you
can still man those guns and be a death star!

So I'm hoping for tons of bombers..I know I will have no
trouble attracting fighter pilots.  I plan for the mission
to have more bomber pilots than fighters to keep the
historical look and feel.  If I only have 20 B-17's,
I'm gonna have to go with less fighters...

So man those bombers...please!~  :pray

Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: HighTone on November 20, 2008, 09:53:21 PM
 :aok
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Delirium on November 21, 2008, 01:15:26 AM
So man those bombers...please!~  :pray

As Shuffler said, I think you are going to find you have alot of twin engine B38s (P38s) helping out that night.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: 96Delta on November 21, 2008, 01:27:45 PM
As Shuffler said, I think you are going to find you have alot of twin engine B38s (P38s) helping out that night.

Thats great to here.

The two planes that we had some trouble filling last time were
the P-47D-25 and, to a lesser extent, the B-17G.

Those who read the AAR from the last MoM can see that the
P-47 actually performed much better than the P-51D did.
But since most pilots are unfamiliar with this plane, only
the most capable chose it.  Hopefully it will receive more
interest this time, especially when you consider how well
it did last time.

As for the B-17's, well I think we will have good numbers
but I'm after great numbers!  I'd like to beat the total we
posted last time. After all, these is a strategic
bomber mission!

This is the 2nd MoM and after this one we'll see if our numbers
(and popularity) are growing or if last time was a one-time
success.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: HighTone on November 22, 2008, 03:51:24 AM
Is it here yet?

<S> LCA  :aok
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: 96Delta on November 23, 2008, 01:18:56 PM
Group Commanders have received their orders.

VOX USE
Pilots who are participating will be asked, urged, threatened
and even cajoled to use purple (room) text and to NOT use
local VOX unless critical information must be relayed.

VOX use is gonna be a big headache so please use text
as much as possible.  I'm sure that the group commanders
may allow an open mic during some of the mission but when
they declare VOX closed, please use text only unless,
as I said, you have to say something critical like...CHECK SIX!  :D

ALL pilots hold on the runway after you spawn with engines on.
Stay off VOX and await the instructions of your Group Commander.
Do exactly what they say.

Enjoy your flight and thank you for flying LCA Airlines. ;)


Thank you!
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: 832725 on November 23, 2008, 04:05:11 PM
I'll be there.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: HighTone on November 23, 2008, 04:15:01 PM
Let the count down begin  :rock
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: HighTone on November 23, 2008, 09:34:31 PM
tick-toc...tick-toc.... :rock
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: mensa180 on November 23, 2008, 09:37:33 PM
Sounds fun, look for 474th colored 38s :).
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: FiLtH on November 23, 2008, 11:23:31 PM
  I hope to make it, I'll grab a B17
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Newman5 on November 23, 2008, 11:27:23 PM
Dam....I need to stop working nights.   :lol

Have fun all!   :salute
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: 96Delta on November 24, 2008, 11:28:50 AM
Sounds fun, look for 474th colored 38s :).

Be careful there mensa.
While I appreciate the desire of squads to launch in
their preferred skin, the mission editor forces everyone
to fly the default skin.

You need to be careful because I expect to be changing
the launch base in the mission editor a minute or two before
take-off to defeat dual-account spying.  When I do that you will
find yourself wondering what happened.

Please avoid all these hassles by just joining the
P-38 group once that mission is posted.  No, you won't
be in your squad's skin but a least you won't miss the party.  :t

Sorry, but the spies ruin things for all of us to some degree.
Just another reason why spies should be outed and not tolerated.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: mensa180 on November 24, 2008, 04:00:08 PM
It will be no trouble to just roll outside of the mission and then meet with and run patterns over the bombers.  We have done this before and one of the things I enjoyed about it was the historically correct markings, I won't be kept from them :).

Thanks for setting this up again by the way.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: macerxgp on November 24, 2008, 05:23:07 PM
I'm hoping I can get my way in order to participate. And if I can, you'll see me flying under our C.O. Limbo in a good old jug. Hope I can bag me a few of them JG11 fellers they keep talkin' about. :lol

<S> LCA
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: zoozoo on November 24, 2008, 06:30:50 PM
Time til all hell breaks loose- T-25 hours  :devil :devil :devil :devil :devil :devil :devil :devil :devil :devil :devil :devil :devil :devil :devil
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Shuffler on November 24, 2008, 06:34:15 PM
80th and S.A.P.P. blenders are ready............
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Delirium on November 24, 2008, 07:36:47 PM
Please avoid all these hassles by just joining the
P-38 group once that mission is posted.  No, you won't
be in your squad's skin but a least you won't miss the party.  :t

Frankly, I'd rather run into a wall of Me262s than fly with the generic skin. I don't know about the rest of SAPP, but I'm here for two reasons;

1. Get a chance to get the feel we had during the DGS scenario.

2. Encourage gameplay of a different kind in the MA. Play that doesn't involve NOE, airfield flattening, or some other furball killing behavior.

Don't worry, I'll just stay with the leader of the buff box I'm assigned to. It is easy enough to '.goto cpid' after the mission rolls.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Guppy35 on November 24, 2008, 08:00:31 PM
What Del said.  We've been there and are looking to get there again.  And enough grumbling Delta or I'll post the picks of that wrecked 100th BG B17G you brought in to our airfield during DGS :)

This is what we're after.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/474thOutbound.jpg)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Sheperd2.jpg)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/17Formation.jpg)

Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: 96Delta on November 24, 2008, 10:07:15 PM
Ahhhh yes,

Just what I want to see!  Nice screenies Guppy..  :rock
I'm thinking that I may be increasing the number of P-38 slots.  :confused:

I hope that we get many, many bombers in this mission though.
If I can fill the three groups I have in our TOE then this
will be quite the show!

VOX Management
To all participants....
Please stay off Local VOX and use Room (purple) Text.
Your Group Commander will let you know when VOX is
opened for chat but when he closes it, please restrict
yourself to Text unless exigent circumstances exist.

Thank you for flying and dying LCA Airlines!  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: 96Delta on November 24, 2008, 10:09:08 PM
Frankly, I'd rather run into a wall of Me262s than fly with the generic skin.

I have a feeling that you may get your wish Delirium.  :D
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: HighTone on November 24, 2008, 10:52:17 PM
Just one more day.

<S> LCA  :aok
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Delirium on November 25, 2008, 12:35:32 AM
Delta, make sure you extend the time of mission acceptance a good 5 minutes after the mission takes off.

I think most of the SAPP gents will replane after the main body takes off.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: 96Delta on November 25, 2008, 10:02:36 AM
Del,

I wish I could but the Mission Editor has been
modified IIRC.  You can no longer set the mission
acceptance open time.  I think it defaults to 1 or
2 minutes.  Whatever it is, its not long at all.

Send me a PM with your VOX and I'll let you
know what base the P-38's will actually be
leaving from.

David
"96Delta"
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: skribetm on November 25, 2008, 10:44:28 AM
TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!

 :devil
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: dunnrite on November 25, 2008, 11:08:46 AM
Tonite is our squad night, the dickslingers will be there in 24s:aok
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: themaj on November 25, 2008, 11:09:23 AM
Are there any squads planning on intercepting this lot? Myself and at least one other squaddie will be on intercept in 152's, and would like to wing up with others of the like.
Stampf, JG11, looking at you volks  ;)

Side note:
Delta, I regularly fly rook, but will be switching chess peices early, hours before the scheduled time, to avoid any eyebrow raising.
We've done alot more fighter escort than intercept in the past, and am looking to change things up a bit.
<S> rooks, nothing personal :D
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: iTunes on November 25, 2008, 11:11:01 AM
Hey Delta, If you don't have the Bomber numbers where you need them to be, Can you post here or on 200? Even though I can't fly a buff for love or money (I'm a K4 guy), I'm more than happy to jump over from Nits  to help out and fly one.
Bet you there's probably some really good Buff drivers from other sides that would switch over to help out also.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Jappa52 on November 25, 2008, 11:45:15 AM
                                                           We'll be there...

(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff44/jappa52/AOD367.jpg)
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Shuffler on November 25, 2008, 12:33:14 PM
That photo can be read one of two ways..... I see it as a tribute to all the dead 152 pilots. Those that have died and those that will die.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: 96Delta on November 25, 2008, 12:36:36 PM
Hey Delta, If you don't have the Bomber numbers where you need them to be, Can you post here or on 200?

That is a darn good idea iTunes!
I will definitely do that!

Thanks!  :aok  :salute
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: 96Delta on November 25, 2008, 12:57:43 PM
Revised Group Commander Roster
(revisions in red)

Had a personnel swap.
Wanted to post this so that people in the missions
tonight will know who there Group Commander is.

1st Combat Bombardment Wing
• 91st Bomb Wing (B-17G)  CO: Tarstar (LCA)
• 381st Bomb Wing (B-17G)  CO: 96Delta (LCA)
• 398th Bomb Wing (B-17G) CO: Hornet79 (LCA)

67th Fighter Wing
• 364th Fighter Group (P-38L) CO: Hightone (LCA)
• 352nd Fighter Group (P-47D-25)  CO: Limbo0 (357th Death Dragons)
• 356th Fighter Group (P-51D) CO: Dakone (LCA)

Please Remember...refrain from using VOX as much as possible.   :pray

David
"96Delta"

Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Grape on November 25, 2008, 01:02:44 PM
 :salute Delta96. I was a JUG pilot last MoM. It was really fun...Now I fly for BISH with the CLAIM JUMPERS this tour. I wonder if I can convince them to turncoat for one night, if not I will be upping in opposition to see how much fun I can have trying to wax some bombers. That leads me to ask, what is a historically accurate German rig that I could fly?
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Jappa52 on November 25, 2008, 01:20:49 PM
That photo can be read one of two ways..... I see it as a tribute to all the dead 152 pilots. Those that have died and those that will die.

lol keep your eyes peeled… you don’t want us finding you first  :devil
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Shuffler on November 25, 2008, 01:38:27 PM
Look for the Green 38  :aok
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Stampf on November 25, 2008, 01:44:59 PM
Jagdgeschwader 11

(http://www.51hangar.net/JG11/081208_9.jpg)
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: zoozoo on November 25, 2008, 02:30:57 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii275/zoozoo13/MOM5-1.jpg)
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Stampf on November 25, 2008, 02:44:05 PM
 :aok

A common Nachwuchs error.

Definitely a trophy shot there though.  ;)
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: choppit on November 25, 2008, 02:46:48 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii275/zoozoo13/MOM5-1.jpg)


Hey that was me!

But what the picture doesn't show is the 5-6 mustangs that were behind me.

I would only do an attack like that if I knew I was going to die, which I was.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: macerxgp on November 25, 2008, 04:43:09 PM
Quick clarification; What time do we assemble in Texas-Time? (Austin)
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: dunnrite on November 25, 2008, 04:44:04 PM
Quick clarification; What time do we assemble in Texas-Time? (Austin)

8est would be 7 here
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: macerxgp on November 25, 2008, 04:45:12 PM
Alrighty then, I'll make sure I get permission to fly with Limbo's gang from my dad, and make sure all my... business.... is taken care of.


Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: JAGED on November 25, 2008, 04:57:44 PM
:salute Delta96. I was a JUG pilot last MoM. It was really fun...Now I fly for BISH with the CLAIM JUMPERS this tour. I wonder if I can convince them to turncoat for one night, if not I will be upping in opposition to see how much fun I can have trying to wax some bombers. That leads me to ask, what is a historically accurate German rig that I could fly?

Grape, I posted on the CJ forums to see if an intercept mission can be organized.  It's squad night for the CJs and several high alt TA-152s could be a mitigating factor...    :D
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: macerxgp on November 25, 2008, 04:59:11 PM
Oh, I dunno... Those wings make mighty-fine targets....
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: JAGED on November 25, 2008, 05:09:12 PM
Oh, I dunno... Those wings make mighty-fine targets....

Unless they're a blur...    :D
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: zoozoo on November 25, 2008, 06:22:18 PM
Not trying to be mean, just posting pic of something positive not dying bombers  :lol 

Launch T- 68 minutes
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: choppit on November 25, 2008, 06:30:27 PM
I didn't mean anything by it zoo, I was complimenting your fighter cover.  :)
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: zoozoo on November 25, 2008, 06:41:15 PM
I didn't mean anything by it zoo, I was complimenting your fighter cover.  :)


Thx  :) . Well planned out by delta, hope to see your 152's later in the night  :D
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Rich46yo on November 25, 2008, 09:06:11 PM
Fun as always. :aok  :salute
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: fudgums on November 25, 2008, 09:09:54 PM
disappointed
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Shuffler on November 25, 2008, 09:17:35 PM
Disappointed to the point I dropped out before the hord reached the target..... which it should have not been hitting.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: macerxgp on November 25, 2008, 09:29:45 PM
It felt a little hollow. It was nowhere nearly as tight as it should have been, I saw barely any action, barley fired 400 rounds. :furious

Could have been better, but she was a sight to see. :rock


 :salute That was some fine flying, Delta.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: oakranger on November 25, 2008, 09:46:52 PM
Good fight.  Got three kills in my 110 before i got jumped by some 10 cons. 
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: DrDea on November 25, 2008, 10:35:36 PM
  While many Bish jumped ship to join this thing....It burned the crap out of me to hear the spy hype only to see the Knits up nothing but German Iron and see 262's on the rook side.The really sad part is the Rook planning was top notch.Fantastic.Im sorry it was tainted by a few arse munches that had to try to game the whole thing.You 262 pile its for rooks.You will forever be known to me and others as a holes.The few that cant let anything good happen in this game.Your the type that vulches memorial missions and you can all apply lips to my arse.You know who you are.And now so do we.Pathetic examples of dog cap.
  This was a good run.This was a good thing.Theres always some jackhole that has to try to pad the score and I wish to God HT would weed you co**suckers out.
 Shame be apon you.dip s$its
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: PFactorDave on November 25, 2008, 10:40:45 PM
Simply ashame that it was so deep into Knight/Rook territory that none of the Bishops really got to join in without jumping countries.  Might have been fun, but as Bishop, we were left out.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: FiLtH on November 25, 2008, 10:42:10 PM
   Drdea...don't mince words..say how ya feel man :)

   I had fun, but my slow pc made it tuff. Seemed like icons were poppin in out of the blue for me. I made it to the first drop with 1 ship with no ailerons and somehow calibrated and took out 12 targets in assigned sector of city. Then I dove out to try to rtb but was caught on the deck.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Steve on November 25, 2008, 10:44:08 PM
  While many Bish jumped ship to join this thing....It burned the crap out of me to hear the spy hype only to see the Knits up nothing but German Iron and see 262's on the rook side.The really sad part is the Rook planning was top notch.Fantastic.Im sorry it was tainted by a few arse munches that had to try to game the whole thing.You 262 pile its for rooks.You will forever be known to me and others as a holes.The few that cant let anything good happen in this game.Your the type that vulches memorial missions and you can all apply lips to my arse.You know who you are.And now so do we.Pathetic examples of dog cap.
  This was a good run.This was a good thing.Theres always some jackhole that has to try to pad the score and I wish to God HT would weed you co**suckers out.
 Shame be apon you.dip s$its

 :huh

I upped a 51 for the intercept... 35k+ is a bit far for me to climb but what the heck... got only 1 kill before i was PW'd by a 17.. bled all the way home.
The mission sure was a sight to see.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Woof on November 25, 2008, 10:45:31 PM
Fun while it lasted.  Our B-17's got jumped before we even got out of our own airspace and we didn't keep the bombers bunched up enough.  Delta tried to power back and get all bombers grouped but Green group got decimated before Red and Blue caught up.  

Next time we need some rule preventing cons from jumping the bombers before we even get to altitude or enemy airspace.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: Guppy35 on November 25, 2008, 11:03:51 PM
I had a good time.  A little over 1 hour in flight, 1 Ta152 kill, and covered Yanksfan while he got another.   

What was interesting was to see all the griping, in particular on country.  For once it's a mission not just base taking, and you've got furballers and base takers involved to try and do something different, and folks are griping about not defending the map, what's the point because you aren't taking a base, and my favorite, "This isn't what the MA is for". 

It was wild to see the first wave of 262s, followed by the 109s and Ta152s.  A bit of history, cartoon style come to life, was nice.

It looked good headed out.  nice to get the 474th J and L out together again
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Snap1-14.jpg)

The rendevous over the bombers looked good as our flight of 4 38s came over the top
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Snap5-14.jpg)

Nice to mix it up at higher alt with a 152 and get him.  Yanksfan was flying some great wing.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Snap7-9.jpg)

And always a rare treat to bring my bird home.  100 fuel and 2 DTs burned, and almost out of gas.  Yanks wasn't too far behind me.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Snap9-6.jpg)
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: trotter on November 25, 2008, 11:30:54 PM
Had one of my most fun sorties yet in this game.

I was in a 152. Lowpoint was at the beginning, as my FPS dropped per usual around large formations, and my attacks on the bomber formation were ill timed and sloppy as a result. To complicate matters further, the escort did a much better time this mission than last. I quickly wound up with five or so angry 51's getting behind me for the apparent kill. Got pinged a ton, my forward fuel tank got hit, still at high alt but I figured I was a goner because in a few more imminent pings and I would start losing important pieces.

At this exact moment something happened I would love to have taken credit for, but it was random luck. My jinking created that crazy flat spin that the Ta-152 often gets into, and I started to drift down out of control in the same way as if I had lost my vertical stabilizer. The 51's saw that motion, figured there was no way I'd be in that exact spin unless a very critical piece is missing (that assumption is correct for every plane except the 152), and they broke off, figuring I was as good as dead.

I fought the stall for a good minute or so, losing about 15k altitude. I was now down to 10k. No more sight of the bombers, and a few escorts still overhead but maintaining discipline and not coming down to me just yet. With my fuel much lower from the fuel leak I decided to RTB in a general direction of where the bomber form was headed; maybe I could pick something off low. After 5 or so min of eastward heading, the remaining high fighters got antsy and decided to come down on my lone 152. Luckily for me, they came down one by one. I had three consecutive intense 1v1 fights, going from 10k all the way down to the deck in the process, and was all was said and done I had downed two 51's and a LA-7 and not taken a hit (luckily, because as I said a few more pings and something was bound to fall off).

Now I was really low on fuel, and had to start moving throttle and rpm towards max cruise. With about 6 more enemy fighters high beginning to wonder what happened to their buddies down low that were last seen trying to take out the lone 152, I decided to really get down to the deck and hope I could escape unnoticed. I flew across 2 and a half sectors of full enemy darbar unseen by hugging the deck as close as I could, managing throttle the whole time to save fuel. Literally all around me at low altitudes were the dots of enemy fighters who had fallen low behind the buff stream, searching for easy targets. My wounded 152 on the deck at max cruise would have been exactly what they were looking for, if they found me. I zigzagged this way and that to avoid icon range, which only made my fuel situation worse. One sector away from a friendly field I got a check six call: an enemy 51, entirely unseen by me, was 600 and closing on my six. Break turns when you are at max cruise are never good. Luckily he missed his shot, and myself and another friendly fought him in another good little fight for about 2 minutes before he went down.

Got back to a vehicle field with 2 minutes of fuel left, fought off another nasty 152 flat spin as I was getting into landing position, touched down and landed successfully. 4 kills, but they all felt very well deserved. Don't know if the overall mission was a success or not, but getting back successfully was the real fun for me this time.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: NEARY on November 25, 2008, 11:40:47 PM
i couldn't go but my squaddie F77 was in a b-17
(blue group, thank god it not green from what i heard)
my other squaddie's (KCfood) friend made him crash and die by hitting the joystick. (he had been waiting 3 months for this thing(bummer)) so kcfood joined f77 b-17 and shot down 2 me-262s, it was fun to hear the story.

wish i could have come but my lag kept me from doing so.
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: 96Delta on November 25, 2008, 11:43:06 PM
Mission Debrief and AAR Thread
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,252907.0.html
Title: Re: • Rook Strategic Bomber Mission [MoM] Alert - 11/25/08 •
Post by: dunnrite on November 26, 2008, 10:45:32 AM
i couldn't go but my squaddie F77 was in a b-17
(blue group, thank god it not green from what i heard)
my other squaddie's (KCfood) friend made him crash and die by hitting the joystick. (he had been waiting 3 months for this thing(bummer)) so kcfood joined f77 b-17 and shot down 2 me-262s, it was fun to hear the story.

wish i could have come but my lag kept me from doing so.

 :rofl F77 was the only one in the mission that I had to squelch.