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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Selino631 on November 23, 2008, 02:28:38 PM
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Hey, I am on a scenario paintball team and we are thinking about building a UAV. we have wireless cameras that have a router that can connect to a portible DVD player for live feed. The only thing is now, we need a RC airplane/helicopter. I have seen teh UAV Predetor RC kits they look really nice and can go pretty high. the only thing is where i live it is really hilly, and dont know where i could land it. I think a helicopter would be easier to use. do u know where i can get a UH-60 BlackHawk rc? I am new to RC so any help would be appreciated
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVms5xxwpEE
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Have you flown a model helicopter? They are not easy to fly. Getting a blackhawk would likely be rather expensive too. Even the easy to fly coaxial model copters will set you back close to or over $200.00.
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This kind of reminds me of the axiom of buying a $40,000 bass boat to go into 6 feet of water and catch a 3 pound fish.
While I'm all for stimulating the economy how much use do you really expect to get out of that for paintball? You'll set yourselves back about $1500 when it's all said and done. All to fly 60' in the air looking into a 3" screen to look for the opponents that when you do finally see them you're watching in interest as they've just eliminated some guy in a bunker looking at a computer as you wonder why your back suddenly hurts.
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What do you do if they jam your r/c signal?
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And as someone who once crashed a .40 sized P51 Mustang into a Hospital/Dr's Office in Missoula, MT causing around $10,000 damage- Be Careful! They're fun, neat, cool, but can be dangerous! Had I hit someone, instead of something... The paintball thing is basically a non-lethal toy. The RC plane isn't.
Personally, I don't see your plan working out, and would recommend keeping the two things seperate...
Just my .02
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Have you flown a model helicopter? They are not easy to fly. Getting a blackhawk would likely be rather expensive too. Even the easy to fly coaxial model copters will set you back close to or over $200.00.
r/c helis are VERY difficult to fly. i have 3 of em. one indoor electric, a hirobo shuttle(.30) and a raptor(.50)
the raptor has a lot of nice thing on it extra, and is worth close to 2k. the shuttle is stock, 'cept ofr a jetranger body, and that's worth somewhere in the ballpark of $800 or so.
the indoor is an older shogun, with a bell 222 body on it. that set me back about $400 or so all told, by the time i added better motor, speed controller, and battery.
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Hey, I am on a scenario paintball team and we are thinking about building a UAV. we have wireless cameras that have a router that can connect to a portible DVD player for live feed. The only thing is now, we need a RC airplane/helicopter. I have seen teh UAV Predetor RC kits they look really nice and can go pretty high. the only thing is where i live it is really hilly, and dont know where i could land it. I think a helicopter would be easier to use. do u know where i can get a UH-60 BlackHawk rc? I am new to RC so any help would be appreciated
You can't use a Helicopter. Insurance regulations.
You can't use an open prop. Insurance regulations.
Your only option is electric, ducted fan, foam construction, and probably PicoPilot based navigation. It's still not autonomous, since that'd be illegal by FAA rules. You have to have somebody flying it at all times, which means they're not playing the scenario.
Been working on this for awhile.
http://www.viperpaintball.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1520 (http://www.viperpaintball.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1520)
Either way, you're looking at around $1,000. Airframe, spektrum dx6 tx/rx, fan, motor, batteries, servos, chargers, cameras, etc, etc. You'll probably also be expected to carry your own insurance, much like owning a scenario paintball tank.
Do yourself a favor. Skip this, it's largely useless. Fun, but a very low ROI.
Use that same money, buy a PVS-14 night vision monocular. Mount them on Empire E-Vents.
You'll get far more enjoyment and success on the scenario field with it.
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Someones been watching TOO much Military Channel.
Dude your playing paintball, not fighting the Taliban. You want to know where the "enemy" is, get yourself a bionic ear instead and a decent set of mini binoculars.
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Someones been watching TOO much Military Channel.
Dude your playing paintball, not fighting the Taliban. You want to know where the "enemy" is, get yourself a bionic ear instead and a decent set of mini binoculars.
Bionic ears don't work, the ranges are too close. All you hear is people scratching their nuts.
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Bionic ears don't work, the ranges are too close. All you hear is people scratching their nuts.
I had a buddy who had a cheap bionic ear set up, can't remember who made it, but it actually worked pretty well for paintball. I'd usually carry a small set of 10X binoculars to scan with and that's it.
Beyond that though, it's paintball.
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I had a buddy who had a cheap bionic ear set up, can't remember who made it, but it actually worked pretty well for paintball. I'd usually carry a small set of 10X binoculars to scan with and that's it.
Beyond that though, it's paintball.
No, it's scenario paintball. It's not your average recreational weekend. :aok
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I know!
Put a call in to JSTARS an see if they can make a realtime feed on infrared sigs in the area.
Might cost a bit.
I'm sure they take a check.
-GE (jokin .. mebbe)
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The best answer is find a company that makes small UAVs, and get them to use a paintball scenario as a live field-testing environment.
Costs you nothing. Opens up a company to the prospect of marketing their product to paintball players, and they get a fast-paced testing environment.
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I've been on exercises with these guys before.
http://www.avinc.com/
They make hand launchablee UAVs - but they are NOT cheap. Average cost is around 30K, but they actually work from hand launch and fly a GPS track. We've had them operating forward of our base 10 miles and at 500 feet you could not hear them working.
The package we had used gyro-stab IR cameras - though you can outfit it with different mission packages. Average endurance was 50 minutes with a dump truck of LIpo's.
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I've been on exercises with these guys before.
The FAA would hunt you down, beat you up, and possibly either put you in jail, or financially wreck you with fines, for using these in a paintball game's airspace :( The only legal alternative is semi-autonomous, using R/C control in tandem with something home-brew or hobbyist built like the uNav PicoPilot to keep it on course.
imho, the best solution possible is a blimp for this specific usage. It'd have to be fairly large... 9 feet long, 5 feet in diameter, and you'd still be limited by anything over a 10mph wind. Easy to transport, easy to fly, stable camera platform.. just stay up a few hundred feet so ground fire doesn't pound it to pieces.
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thanks for the help. I think we'll just end up buying a Air Hogs plane or something since most are made of foam. hopefully it'll beable to carry a camera
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Take the money you'd spend on that and invest it at a strip club. You'll have more fun than trying to fly your RC plane over a paintball game which will not yield you a usable image.
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I want to shoot the RC Chopper. :t
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I want to shoot the RC Chopper. :t
WE SHOT UP A WORLD MODELS T34 with a paintgun. it wasnt pretty, but was probably the funniest thing i've ever seen!!
:rofl
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I want to shoot the RC Chopper. :t
yea lol, I was talking with my team about if it got shot. it is almost 100% guarenteed someone would shoot it if they saw it and had the range
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Good luck trying to get one of those little planes to carry anything but itself. They don't have a lot of excess power.
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thanks for the help. I think we'll just end up buying a Air Hogs plane or something since most are made of foam. hopefully it'll beable to carry a camera
Actually, I think your best bet for this project is simply a big balloon or a kite on a tether. We use large balloons or kites in falconry to train some of our birds. I use a kite to carry a payload up as high as 1200ft, and the bird goes up to grab the payload which then releases and slides down the line. I use a stable (Delta) kite that actually just flies itself (I have a large spool mounted on a heavy base. I set it on the ground, let the kite go up, and just leave it alone, walk away to get the bird, etc.) I send payloads as heavy as 10oz up on my 60" wingspan delta kite. A set-up allowing you to use a cordless drill to wind the line back up works great!
It would be a simple matter to attach a camera as a payload (I've done that with "still" camera's before), and two servos to direct the camera's aim. With the wind in your favor (my kite will fly in as low as 4mph wind) you could actually put the kite (or balloon) in position over your opponent, but easily out of their reach. The balloons we use are just filled with helium, and are about 6 feet in diameter. I went with the kite personally, 'cause what do I do with the balloon at the end of the day? Keep buying helium?
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Box Kites make extremely stable platforms too.
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Actually, I think your best bet for this project is simply a big balloon or a kite on a tether. We use large balloons or kites in falconry to train some of our birds. I use a kite to carry a payload up as high as 1200ft, and the bird goes up to grab the payload which then releases and slides down the line. I use a stable (Delta) kite that actually just flies itself (I have a large spool mounted on a heavy base. I set it on the ground, let the kite go up, and just leave it alone, walk away to get the bird, etc.) I send payloads as heavy as 10oz up on my 60" wingspan delta kite. A set-up allowing you to use a cordless drill to wind the line back up works great!
Kick arse, I'd like to see films of that. I know nothing about it, but when those birds fly across a packed stadium I wonder how the heck they trained them.
On a sidenote, I bet Mr. Slave would be afraid to own one cause all the damage they would do to Lemmiwinks.
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Good luck trying to get one of those little planes to carry anything but itself. They don't have a lot of excess power.
you don't know much aboutg r/c, do ya?
OK, I had time to add to this now.
9 out of 10 r/c models are so incredibly overpowered it's not funny. i have at least 4 that'll launch in less than a 5 foot ground roll. and that's on a grass strip. even my 80" p51 only needs 6 to 10 feet if i push her.
mounting cameras on these aircraft is no big deal. there are plenty of small cameras, that don't require massive batteries. we've done it at our r/c club. one guy was flying his by only using a tv monitor. hell,. he landed on our aircraft carrier that way.
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Take the money you'd spend on that and invest it at a strip club.
:aok
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yea lol, I was talking with my team about if it got shot. it is almost 100% guarenteed someone would shoot it if they saw it and had the range
That's fine too, mission accomplished, they gave away their position. Now go keeeeeeel them.
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Scenario play still makes me want to rofl.
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Scenario play still makes me want to rofl.
I like it because there's something relatively new each time. Speedball turns into an FPS game too fast. Play-Repeat-Play-Repeat-Play-Repeat. :(
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Cap1, he was talking about using one of those little airhogs planes not a regular RC unit. Please try to keep your reply in perspective as that was what I was responding to. :huh
you don't know much aboutg r/c, do ya?
OK, I had time to add to this now.
9 out of 10 r/c models are so incredibly overpowered it's not funny. i have at least 4 that'll launch in less than a 5 foot ground roll. and that's on a grass strip. even my 80" p51 only needs 6 to 10 feet if i push her.
mounting cameras on these aircraft is no big deal. there are plenty of small cameras, that don't require massive batteries. we've done it at our r/c club. one guy was flying his by only using a tv monitor. hell,. he landed on our aircraft carrier that way.
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Cap1, he was talking about using one of those little airhogs planes not a regular RC unit. Please try to keep your reply in perspective as that was what I was responding to. :huh
ooo crap!!!!!
sorry dude!!!!
i must've missed that one. i really thought you were talkin abuot regular r/c.
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I think he should follow in the Jap footprints and place paint balls on ballons so they drop at a certain point. Hopefully hitting one of the other team players.
Yall can tell them that yall are so good the birds even team up with ya. :)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmJHI0BoQZU
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Get one of those giant water balloon sling shots and load it up with a bucket of paint balls. Fire it at the other side's lines and claim it as a cluster bomb.
:devil
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Get one of those giant water balloon sling shots and load it up with a bucket of paint balls. Fire it at the other side's lines and claim it as a cluster bomb.
:devil
now THAT would be hilarious!! :rofl
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Pretty soon, unmanned droids will unload barrels of paint onto a bunker with paintball wannabees sitting inside trying to command their own drones. :rolleyes:
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I like it because there's something relatively new each time. Speedball turns into an FPS game too fast. Play-Repeat-Play-Repeat-Play-Repeat. :(
I guess I like paintball in the way people like the NFL or baseball or even people who enjoy dueling 1v1. The rules are set prior and the field is symmetrical. The greater skill, teamwork, and speed will win. I also enjoy it because there is no better feeling than catching an unwitting player in his bunker over the top. :D
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lol. One of the fellow teams at the field we play at have a paintball bazooka and a paintball tank. we're thinking about designing a mortar or boozka or something.
also i was talking to my team captain. he said that we can take his wireless camera's and go to the field before the game starts to "scout" the fields. then place camera's in the most important bases and on trees watching the main roads!