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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: falcon23 on November 27, 2008, 09:18:28 PM
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My 8600 has really been great,but I get a lot of "WASH" behind me when flying and some waviness in long distance viewing..and when close to airfields or towns.it often looks as if I am looking through a thin layer of water at everything until I get close to the hangar or whatever..
Is the 3870 a "better rendering card" than the 8600?? prices on them seem reasonable...
Or A VC that is at LEAST AS good as the 8600gt and is an ati for <$100
BTW I dont need SLI..
Thanks,
Falcon23
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According to Tomshardware.com, best video cards for the money November edition...
Best PCIe Card For $100: Tie
Good 1600x1200 performance in most games; 1920x1200 in most titles with some lowered detail
Radeon HD 3870 Codename: RV670
Process: 55nm
Universal Shaders: 320
Texture Units: 16
ROPs: 16
Memory Bus: 128-bit
Core Speed MHz: 775
Memory Speed MHz: 1125 (2250 effective)
DirectX / Shader Model DX 10.1 / SM 4.0
Now at $100, the Radeon HD 3870 is an easy recommendation, lying between the GeForce 8800 GT and the new Radeon HD 4670. It is still a force to be reckoned with at 1600x1200, and even at 1920x1200.
GeForce 9600 GT Codename: G92
Process: 65nm
Universal Shaders: 64
Texture Units: 32
ROPs: 16
Memory Bus: 256-bit
Core Speed MHz: 650
Memory Speed MHz: 900 (1800 effective)
DirectX / Shader Model DX 10 / SM 4.0
The 9600 GT is a good match for the Radeon 3870; both are excellent choices at the $100 price point.
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My 8600 has really been great,but I get a lot of "WASH" behind me when flying and some waviness in long distance viewing..and when close to airfields or towns.it often looks as if I am looking through a thin layer of water at everything until I get close to the hangar or whatever..
I may be wrong... but that sounds like more of a monitor problem, doesn't it?
My 8600 runs the game perfectly...
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My 8600 runs the game perfectly...
Same here.
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I would think monitor problem as well,but I have hooked up 3 diff monitors and same issue..
Falcon23
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I would think monitor problem as well,but I have hooked up 3 diff monitors and same issue..
Falcon23
alot of people just plug in a monitor and use the default PnP driver, it is better/Best to find the actual drivers for your particular Monitor all be it CRT or even LCD, this will get you longer life out of your Monitor, and correct refresh rates, better views..
btw....my ASUS EAH3870 has:
Memory Bus: 256-bit
Core Speed MHz: 825
Memory Speed MHz: 1250
DDR4
512 Meg
instead of the tomshardware listeMemory Bus: 128-bit
Core Speed MHz: 775
Memory Speed MHz: 1125 (2250 effective)
have not seen a 4670 ATI card before ( is that a typo for 4870 series? )
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need to know more about your system to be able to take a stab. Processor, memory, FSB speed, power supply, motherboard. Seesm there is a bottle neck somewhere could be drivers could be hardware. The 8600 should be fine with this game.
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8600 is more a video (moives) type card, 8800 is a gaming card, but it should run AH, same in 9000, 9600 video, 9800 gaming, my 9800 GT run AH great.
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More info as requested..
System Information
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Time of this report: 11/29/2008, 10:09:07
Machine name: THETANK
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.080814-1236)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
System Model: EP35-DS3L
BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 2046MB RAM
Page File: 332MB used, 3607MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode
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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.
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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)
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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 8600 GT
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0402&SUBSYS_C7573842&REV_A1
Display Memory: 512.0 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (72Hz)
Monitor: SONY SDM-HS75P
Monitor Max Res: 1280,1024
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0011.7824 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 10/7/2008 14:33:00, 6058112 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 10/7/2008 14:33:00, 6133856 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4742-11CF-6245-5CE700C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x0402
SubSys ID: 0xC7573842
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
Deinterlace Caps: {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
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Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run
FAlcon23
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Falcon, I have a serious question, if you get that ATI card, would you be willing to give me (and only me) that NVIDIA card? :noid :noid
at 20K bombing, I get an FPS of like 20... :rofl
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falcon, look at the 8800s, they are well with your price range
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Sorry plus,the card will go to the youngin..
Falcon23
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great deal on cards this weekend guys check these prices.
nvidea 9800gt $149:
http://shop3.frys.com/product/5724602?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
ati 4650 $90:
http://shop3.frys.com/product/5721132?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
4650 great buy
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My 8600 has really been great,but I get a lot of "WASH" behind me when flying and some waviness in long distance viewing..and when close to airfields or towns.it often looks as if I am looking through a thin layer of water at everything until I get close to the hangar or whatever..
Is the 3870 a "better rendering card" than the 8600?? prices on them seem reasonable...
Or A VC that is at LEAST AS good as the 8600gt and is an ati for <$100
BTW I dont need SLI..
Thanks,
Falcon23
You know my feelings on the matter. I had a 8600 and it didn't do the job. I gave it to my mom and she had issues as well. I use the 3850 to play the game and am quite satisfied.
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I tried to find comparisons. Had a hard time. Seems they may be close/ The 3870 outperformed 8800GT by a touch. Prices are juicey on the 3870 right now!
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More info as requested..
System Information
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Time of this report: 11/29/2008, 10:09:07
Machine name: THETANK
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.080814-1236)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
System Model: EP35-DS3L
BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 2046MB RAM
Page File: 332MB used, 3607MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode
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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.
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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)
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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 8600 GT
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0402&SUBSYS_C7573842&REV_A1
Display Memory: 512.0 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (72Hz)
Monitor: SONY SDM-HS75P
Monitor Max Res: 1280,1024
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0011.7824 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 10/7/2008 14:33:00, 6058112 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 10/7/2008 14:33:00, 6133856 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4742-11CF-6245-5CE700C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x0402
SubSys ID: 0xC7573842
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
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Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run
FAlcon23
Correct me where I'm wrong. I see two sound tabs and no sound card listed. Here's my thinking, you have a sound card and you also have on-board sound. You need to disable the onboard sound if I am correct.
Oh, one more little thing. If you get the 3870 it comes with built in sound. You will need to disable that as well.
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built in sound??? Never heard this.
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built in sound??? Never heard this.
I believe all the ATI's have sound cards built into them.
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I believe all the ATI's have sound cards built into them.
Not all, the HDMI interface can include sound so the models equipped with it may also come with audio capabilities. I hate HDCP myself, I'm gonna wait for the cheap Chinese cracked players come to market with zero restrictions.
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The extra sound is from my MS USB headset..I do have the OB sound down to 0...
Falcon23 :salute
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with such a wide variety of Video cards on the market right now, I would go no lower than the following for minimal specs:
256 bit
GDDR3
512 meg
GPU Clock: 625/650
Memory Clock: 1050/1100
messing around with anything lower is just gonna make it where you are not experiencing everything you can....
by lower I mean:
128 bit
GDDR2
GPU: 600 or under
Memory: 950 or under
......granted my old AthlonXP2800 (factory clocked) with 1 gig PC3200 and an Ati X800XT AGP Slot 256 meg GDDR3 played very well with 1280x1024 screen res/using High Res Textures, with most every detailed maxed out and playing at frame rates 50 to 69 95% of the time......with preloading turned on......only being taxed during full launches in Scenarios and FSO's.......thru time it did start to get worse but I place that more on the CPU verses the video card.....
just a personal opinion here......
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Gpu and memory clock has nothing to do with card and Tequilla for the price of a 512 meg card why would u suggest a 256 or better? Real decent 512 cards are available from $80-$150
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Gpu and memory clock has nothing to do with card and Tequilla for the price of a 512 meg card why would u suggest a 256 or better? Real decent 512 cards are available from $80-$150
where did I suggest a 256? I suggested for 256 bit instead of 128 bit...I suggested 512 meg & GDDR3 instead of GDDR2..why buy something that is 4 years or more old? if you gonna buy a new card at least buy newer technology with it....
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with such a wide variety of Video cards on the market right now, I would go no lower than the following for minimal specs:
256 bit
GDDR3
512 meg
GPU Clock: 625/650
Memory Clock: 1050/1100
messing around with anything lower is just gonna make it where you are not experiencing everything you can....
by lower I mean:
128 bit
GDDR2
GPU: 600 or under
Memory: 950 or under
......granted my old AthlonXP2800 (factory clocked) with 1 gig PC3200 and an Ati X800XT AGP Slot 256 meg GDDR3 played very well with 1280x1024 screen res/using High Res Textures, with most every detailed maxed out and playing at frame rates 50 to 69 95% of the time......with preloading turned on......only being taxed during full launches in Scenarios and FSO's.......thru time it did start to get worse but I place that more on the CPU verses the video card.....
just a personal opinion here......
Just a copy of your reply. Why even "suggest" 256???
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Gpu and memory clock has nothing to do with card and Tequilla for the price of a 512 meg card why would u suggest a 256 or better? Real decent 512 cards are available from $80-$150
Just a copy of your reply. Why even "suggest" 256???
GPU and memory clock have everything to do with the card.
He said 256 bit, not meg.
Do you contibute to the brain surgery and rocket science forums too?
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Just a copy of your reply. Why even "suggest" 256???
One good reason is this is NOT a high end board, two the FSB on this board is the bottleneck so a GTX280 would run but not perform as it should on THIS board. He showed him economical ways of improvement with what to look for. Also stating "Gpu and memory clock has nothing to do with card" thats like saying "air has nothing to do with breathing" Educational note for DrD: faster the GPU and Mem clock the faster the video card handles whats thrown at it to process and render (notice easy terms).
My thoughts on this upgrade is a 8800, 9800 or an ATI solution in the realm within your budget. This is not a fast MB and is not a friendly OCer either, has driver issues from what I have found on the forums. Toss a cost effective upgrade at it.
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Til deth,how do I speed up the FSB??? if it is even possible..I am currently OC to 3.6 and running good...
Falcon23 :salute
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Til deth,how do I speed up the FSB??? if it is even possible..I am currently OC to 3.6 and running good...
Falcon23 :salute
In your BIOS or there are utilities for it. I have some on my site www.overclocksource.com (http://www.overclocksource.com)
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Til deth,how do I speed up the FSB??? if it is even possible..I am currently OC to 3.6 and running good...
Falcon23 :salute
Greedy rascal :rofl :rofl
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Greedy rascal :rofl :rofl
LOL
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1st off, Thank You BaldEagl & TilDeath.......
Drdeathx, please re-read the following quotes:
with such a wide variety of Video cards on the market right now,
I would go no lower than the following for minimal specs:
256 bit
GDDR3
512 meg
GPU Clock: 625/650
Memory Clock: 1050/1100
by lower I mean:
128 bit
GDDR2
GPU: 600 or under
Memory: 950 or under
this last quote was just added for a view of what one might get with mear basics and a good card & Clean WinXP install with about 20/21 processes running
......granted my old AthlonXP2800 (factory clocked) with 1 gig PC3200 and an Ati X800XT AGP Slot 256 meg GDDR3 played very well with 1280x1024 screen res/using High Res Textures, with most every detailed maxed out and playing at frame rates 50 to 69 95% of the time......with preloading turned on......only being taxed during full launches in Scenarios and FSO's.......thru time it did start to get worse but I place that more on the CPU verses the video card.....
just a personal opinion here......
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Well for some reason I cant get it stable for more than 20 min at 4.0..Not sure what I am missing... :huh
Falcon23 :salute
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Well for some reason I cant get it stable for more than 20 min at 4.0..Not sure what I am missing... :huh
Falcon23 :salute
First of all 3.8 is an impressive OC for a 24/7 box just mind your temps. What voltages are you running? What is your ram rated at (latency, voltage)? Do you have your ram voltage over volted or within the ranges stated by the manufature? Did you OC your processor first get a stable OC then start on your ram? Did you rum Memtest86 on your ram after a OC to see if it is stable? Did you compair what your getting your CPU to OCwith other stable OCs, Mem same thing and MB? What temps are your components at? I have software at www.overclocksource.com (http://www.overclocksource.com) its at the bottom of the page may help you out some. Choose your flavor.
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i got my 9600 GSO for 63.00 off newegg. (same G92 65nm chip as 8800 GTS and GTX)
vs the 9600 GT which i think was a 256 bit card while the GSO was only 128 the GSO had 96 render processors which from what i was reading made it better then the GT
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GPU and memory clock have everything to do with the card.
He said 256 bit, not meg.
Do you contibute to the brain surgery and rocket science forums too?
He's too busy looking and posting on game hacker forums to take part in any meaningful discussions.
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i got my 9600 GSO for 63.00 off newegg. (same G92 65nm chip as 8800 GTS and GTX)
vs the 9600 GT which i think was a 256 bit card while the GSO was only 128 the GSO had 96 render processors which from what i was reading made it better then the GT
Now you're committing fraud by returning a card you destroyed.
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He's too busy looking and posting on game hacker forums to take part in any meaningful discussions.
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bit was right you just dont have a clues about cards..
a card and be 64 bit 128 bit 196 bit 256 bit..
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bit was right you just dont have a clues about cards..
a card and be 64 bit 128 bit 196 bit 256 bit..
Your reading comprehension is as bad as your choice in movies. I never said it was incorrect and I think I know more about video cards and hardware then you'll ever know. Next time you quote someone and try to insult them, make sure you have the comment in the right context otherwise you just look an arse. My comment was answering BaldEagle's question as to why you...err I mean drdeathx can't post something constructive. School is dismissed, you may now go home child.
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...err I mean drdeathx can't post something constructive. School is dismissed, you may now go home child.
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Your kidding right, a shade Forum account.... hum. Wonder what the K2D and Hit % is on this
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ALL those that are A+ certified raise your hands..
:rock
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Why did you even dredge up this months old thread?
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it came up as unread posts since my last visit.. idk .. bug in the bbs?
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ALL those that are A+ certified raise your hands..
:rock
/snicker
Got one about 15 years ago.
ack-ack
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A+ Certified? Each sample test I've taken (2 IIRC), I've easily passed.