NVIDIA 8600GT versus ATI 3870

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System Information
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Time of this report: 11/29/2008, 10:09:07
       Machine name: THETANK
   Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.080814-1236)
           Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
       System Model: EP35-DS3L
               BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
          Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E8400  @ 3.00GHz (2 CPUs)
             Memory: 2046MB RAM
          Page File: 332MB used, 3607MB available
        Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
    DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
     DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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  DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
      Display Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
          Music Tab: No problems found.
          Input Tab: No problems found.
        Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D:    0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw:  0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay:  0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow:  0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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        Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT
     Manufacturer: NVIDIA
        Chip type: GeForce 8600 GT
         DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
       Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0402&SUBSYS_C7573842&REV_A1
   Display Memory: 512.0 MB
     Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (72Hz)
          Monitor: SONY SDM-HS75P
  Monitor Max Res: 1280,1024
      Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
   Driver Version: 6.14.0011.7824 (English)
      DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
 Driver Date/Size: 10/7/2008 14:33:00, 6058112 bytes
      WHQL Logo'd: n/a
  WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
              VDD: n/a
         Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
    Mini VDD Date: 10/7/2008 14:33:00, 6133856 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4742-11CF-6245-5CE700C2CB35}
        Vendor ID: 0x10DE
        Device ID: 0x0402
        SubSys ID: 0xC7573842
      Revision ID: 0x00A1
      Revision ID: 0x00A1
      Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
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         Registry: OK
     DDraw Status: Enabled
       D3D Status: Enabled
       AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
 D3D7 Test Result: Not run
 D3D8 Test Result: Not run
 D3D9 Test Result: Not run


                           FAlcon23

Correct me where I'm wrong. I see two sound tabs and no sound card listed. Here's my thinking, you have a sound card and you also have on-board sound. You need to disable the onboard sound if I am correct.

Oh, one more little thing. If you get the 3870 it comes with built in sound. You will need to disable that as well.

[drdeathx]

built in sound??? Never heard this.

[Getback]

built in sound??? Never heard this.

I believe all the ATI's have sound cards built into them.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

I believe all the ATI's have sound cards built into them.

Not all, the HDMI interface can include sound so the models equipped with it may also come with audio capabilities. I hate HDCP myself, I'm gonna wait for the cheap Chinese cracked players come to market with zero restrictions.

[falcon23]

The extra sound is from my MS USB headset..I do have the OB sound down to 0...

                                                            Falcon23

[TequilaChaser]

with such a wide variety of Video cards on the market right now, I would go no lower than the following for minimal specs:

256 bit
GDDR3
512 meg
GPU Clock: 625/650
Memory Clock: 1050/1100

messing around with anything lower is just gonna make it where you are not experiencing everything you can....

by lower I mean:
128 bit
GDDR2
GPU: 600 or under
Memory: 950 or under

......granted my old AthlonXP2800 (factory clocked) with 1 gig PC3200 and an Ati X800XT AGP Slot 256 meg GDDR3 played very well with 1280x1024 screen res/using High Res Textures, with most every detailed maxed out and playing at frame rates 50 to 69 95% of the time......with preloading turned on......only being taxed during full launches in Scenarios and FSO's.......thru time it did start to get worse but I place that more on the CPU verses the video card.....

just a personal opinion here......

[drdeathx]

Gpu and memory clock has nothing to do with card and Tequilla for the price of a 512 meg card why would u suggest a 256 or better? Real decent 512 cards are available from $80-$150

[TequilaChaser]

Gpu and memory clock has nothing to do with card and Tequilla for the price of a 512 meg card why would u suggest a 256 or better? Real decent 512 cards are available from $80-$150

where did I suggest a 256? I suggested for 256 bit instead of 128 bit...I suggested 512 meg & GDDR3 instead of GDDR2..why buy something that is 4 years or more old?  if you gonna buy a new card at least buy newer technology with it....

[drdeathx]

with such a wide variety of Video cards on the market right now, I would go no lower than the following for minimal specs:

256 bit
GDDR3
512 meg
GPU Clock: 625/650
Memory Clock: 1050/1100

messing around with anything lower is just gonna make it where you are not experiencing everything you can....

by lower I mean:
128 bit
GDDR2
GPU: 600 or under
Memory: 950 or under

......granted my old AthlonXP2800 (factory clocked) with 1 gig PC3200 and an Ati X800XT AGP Slot 256 meg GDDR3 played very well with 1280x1024 screen res/using High Res Textures, with most every detailed maxed out and playing at frame rates 50 to 69 95% of the time......with preloading turned on......only being taxed during full launches in Scenarios and FSO's.......thru time it did start to get worse but I place that more on the CPU verses the video card.....

just a personal opinion here......

Just a copy of your reply. Why even "suggest" 256???

[BaldEagl]

Gpu and memory clock has nothing to do with card and Tequilla for the price of a 512 meg card why would u suggest a 256 or better? Real decent 512 cards are available from $80-$150

Just a copy of your reply. Why even "suggest" 256???

GPU and memory clock have everything to do with the card.

He said 256 bit, not meg.

Do you contibute to the brain surgery and rocket science forums too?

[TilDeath]

Just a copy of your reply. Why even "suggest" 256???

One good reason is this is NOT a high end board, two the FSB on this board is the bottleneck so a GTX280 would run but not perform as it should on THIS board.  He showed him economical ways of improvement with what to look for.  Also stating "Gpu and memory clock has nothing to do with card" thats like saying "air has nothing to do with breathing"  Educational note for DrD:  faster the GPU and Mem clock the faster the video card handles whats thrown at it to process and render (notice easy terms).

My thoughts on this upgrade is a 8800, 9800 or an ATI solution in the realm within your budget.  This is not a fast MB and is not a friendly OCer either, has driver issues from what I have found on the forums.  Toss a cost effective upgrade at it.

[falcon23]

Til deth,how do I speed up the FSB??? if it is even possible..I am currently OC to 3.6 and running good...


                                                Falcon23

[TilDeath]

Til deth,how do I speed up the FSB??? if it is even possible..I am currently OC to 3.6 and running good...


                                                Falcon23

In your BIOS or there are utilities for it.  I have some on my site www.overclocksource.com

[Getback]

Til deth,how do I speed up the FSB??? if it is even possible..I am currently OC to 3.6 and running good...


                                                Falcon23

Greedy rascal 

[TilDeath]

Greedy rascal 

LOL