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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: CAP1 on November 28, 2008, 01:08:03 AM
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bit of a funny thing the other night. cruising along, around 18k or so in MW(it was that map with land at 10k+, and bases in the valleys). anyway, i see this sbd a bit lower than me. i think"easy kill", and drop on it. last second, he banks hard to avoid me. i go up, stay fast, and repeat......banks hard outta my guns agian. now, i figure.....ok....i should be able to turn iwth this thing, so i pull a bit harder, and a few seconds later, that things puttin rounds in me, and gives me a PW.
i headed out to rtb, managed to land it, and found out it was snaphook flyin it. well.......he spent the next 20 minutes or so talking with me on open channel, discussing what i should've done compared to what i did do, and not once sounding derogotory. in fact, he pretty much made it a point to tell me where the good points in my flying were during that fight(although i felt i flew that fight like poo poo). i was in a p38G, BTW. hard to see through that bulletproof front plate, but turns pretty nice.
it was a fun fight, and i enjoyed it, although i had to stick my tail between my legs and run away. the best thing was that it was against someone like that, that will take the time to help those of us willing to listen.
i've been running into quite a few of them in MW lately, and believe me, it is very much appreciated.
someone(bosco i think) started a thread asking who in AH we were thankful for.
well, i have my answer. all of those guys, that take the time to teach us how to fight better. the guys that will fight you in anything, and then dissect the fight, in enough detail, that it is very very easy to understand what they're talking about. and they never treat ya like dirt, or berate ya about anything(something i see a lot of on open channel.)
THEY'RE the ones that are the most fun to fight, win or lose. ya learn somehting from em each and every time. you guys know who yas are.......and i reallylook foward to fighting people like you guys more often. maybe someday soon, i'll manage to remove some things from your airplanes too. :D
Shuffler........sorry 'bout that pick tonight dude.......i just kinda couldn't help myself when i saw a p38 commin straight up. :D somehow, i know i'll pay for it next time though. :rofl
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Well part of the problem is you were in a P38G. Now that's just asking for trouble...er... wait! :)
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I agree 100%. Those folks who contribute real knowledge, especially without the ego crap really deserve all of the kudos they can possible get.
I'll be the first to admit that I find some of these guys a bit intimidating even though I know that I shouldn't. I seriously want to learn from them as much as is humanly possible, but I respect them so much that I am nervous when faced with the thought of revealing how bad I really am.
Quite the conundrum sometimes.
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I'd say that just about everyone who has a "sound" understanding of ACM got there because someone else took the time to explain and nurture a genuine interest. I owe most of my initial schooling to two guys from AW "FR"...-HR- and Rocketman, some significant polish was added by Big-T. Once I got here in 99 I started over, and then when I became a formal trainer I again realised I was just scratching the surface. Back then a lot of guys hung out in the TA (It had live ammo) and used it as an informal dueling arena. some of these guys were Nash, Citibria (Fester), DMF (leviathan), +jase (doesnt play) and others...all of whom graciously played "whack the trainer" with me to keep me improving. While we have a great cadre of formal trainers and resources I think most of us "old school" guys will try and pay it forward if we can. We have a selfish motive, we want to raise the overall quality of our opposition to increase our own enjoyment. I'm glad I was able to help in some small way :salute
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I'd agree with this - the trainers are the most helpful people I've had the pleasure of coming across - plus the good sticks ingame who are more than happy to tell me where I went wrong.
Came across Cmustard last night (I know a few people have had run ins with him) but he was a: more than happy to school me in a ki84 v a p51 (having removed e to ensure it was a fair straight fight) and b: after he schooled me, to encourage me to keep practising and keep trying.
The same also goes for Silat, and virtually every other known stick in this addictive, frustrating, annoying, wonderful game
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Wurzel (Still sucks, but providing less free kills generally :D)
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Snaphook has aways been a class player (even in a previous incarnation as an AK ;)) ... flying with him or against him always makes for an enjoyable sortie ... win, lose, or draw.
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I would have to agree and say thanks to many people who have always offered a helping hand when I've not been bullheaded and asked for it. Just the other night, AKAK owned me in his 38. I asked him how he did it and he explained it very well. He also said that he would post a video on the Training Forums, but hasn't, *aahhemmm*. But regardless, he and others have helped me out in the last year or so, now I just need to go get a lot more help from some Trainers.
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Snaphook has aways been a class player (even in a previous incarnation as an AK ;)) ... flying with him or against him always makes for an enjoyable sortie ... win, lose, or draw.
yes, it was.....it was a fun, if not frustrating fight. like i said, i made the mistake of underestimating that aircraft. i still haven't watched the film, but like i said, he moved that thing around like i would've never thought it could.
on a different note, was turning with some il's, a random spit, some 109's, and random f4f n f6f's. couldn't figure out why my PJ felt so heavy. on one point when i was run....eerr.......extending :D i glanced inside to see how much fuel i had. was still feeding off the DT's. :rofl
didn't land much, but managed to put a little of snaps advice to work, and actually scored a couple kills though. still need LOTS more polishing in the 38 though.
again, thanks to ALL of you gus that are willing to help/advise us.....trainers, and non-trainers. your guys time is very much appreciated.
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CAP here is the fight from my end....
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/1CAP.ahf
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I think the plane handling was excellent. You should be able to see everything we discussed on 200 afterward. All thats needed is a bit of illumination on the cause and effect of angles fighting and the contrasts with E fighting :aok
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CAP here is the fight from my end....
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/1CAP.ahf
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I think the plane handling was excellent. You should be able to see everything we discussed on 200 afterward. All thats needed is a bit of illumination on the cause and effect of angles fighting and the contrasts with E fighting :aok
cool!!
thank ya sir!
i can't d/l it here at work, but will be as soon as i get home. will be interesting to see 2 different sides of this fight. if you want, and i can figure out how, i'll put mine up here too.
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lol Cap no apology needed. I hung up there to rope that 109 I was fighting......... was fair game at that point. Pssst you saved the 109 drivers plane from being perforated. :aok
I personally had a great time last night.
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lol Cap no apology needed. I hung up there to rope that 109 I was fighting......... was fair game at that point. Pssst you saved the 109 drivers plane from being perforated. :aok
I personally had a great time last night.
yaknow....i don't now who that was....i don;t even think he thanked me for savin his hide. :D
ya, although i barely get time to get ingame, MW has been getting better all the time with you guys comming in here. always good fights, good advice, and best of all, you guys try to help us conserve our cartoon fuel, by lightening our carton airplanes for us. :rofl :rofl
i had a couple squadmates calling for help defending from the bish..that;s why i dissappeared from where we were fighting when i first logged in.
i actually had a 3 kill run going, and was thinking to myself....."maybe i should go land, since i haven't landed any multi-kill runs tonight." then i saw a low 109. dropped, and found his buddies too, so i bravely ran away after a couple turns. i didn;t land those kills either. :rofl greed kills. :D
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CAP here is the fight from my end....
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/1CAP.ahf
:salute
I think the plane handling was excellent. You should be able to see everything we discussed on 200 afterward. All thats needed is a bit of illumination on the cause and effect of angles fighting and the contrasts with E fighting :aok
ok....watched the film at home last night. i see what you meant about when i was keeping my passes fast, although seeing it from your side, it looks like maybe i was giving you too much room? i think where i finally made the fatal mistake, was when we were going down(like you told me that night), but it looked like i was holding my own, right up 'till that departure stall? at about 2:30. had i doen that delibretly, it would've been a great way to get you out front, but alas, by the time i recovered, you had guns pointed to me. i can't recall my flap setting there, but i think we were too fast for me to have full flaps deployed though, which might've helped me.
if anyone else wants to chime in with any further advice(besides "beware the sbd) too, it is welcome advice.
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Woot! name was mentioned! :D
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SBDs are amazing turners
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bit of a funny thing the other night. cruising along, around 18k or so in MW(it was that map with land at 10k+, and bases in the valleys). anyway, i see this sbd a bit lower than me. i think"easy kill", and drop on it. last second, he banks hard to avoid me. i go up, stay fast, and repeat......banks hard outta my guns agian. now, i figure.....ok....i should be able to turn iwth this thing, so i pull a bit harder, and a few seconds later, that things puttin rounds in me, and gives me a PW.
i headed out to rtb, managed to land it, and found out it was snaphook flyin it. well.......he spent the next 20 minutes or so talking with me on open channel, discussing what i should've done compared to what i did do, and not once sounding derogotory. in fact, he pretty much made it a point to tell me where the good points in my flying were during that fight(although i felt i flew that fight like poo poo). i was in a p38G, BTW. hard to see through that bulletproof front plate, but turns pretty nice.
it was a fun fight, and i enjoyed it, although i had to stick my tail between my legs and run away. the best thing was that it was against someone like that, that will take the time to help those of us willing to listen.
i've been running into quite a few of them in MW lately, and believe me, it is very much appreciated.
someone(bosco i think) started a thread asking who in AH we were thankful for.
well, i have my answer. all of those guys, that take the time to teach us how to fight better. the guys that will fight you in anything, and then dissect the fight, in enough detail, that it is very very easy to understand what they're talking about. and they never treat ya like dirt, or berate ya about anything(something i see a lot of on open channel.)
THEY'RE the ones that are the most fun to fight, win or lose. ya learn somehting from em each and every time. you guys know who yas are.......and i reallylook foward to fighting people like you guys more often. maybe someday soon, i'll manage to remove some things from your airplanes too. :D
Shuffler........sorry 'bout that pick tonight dude.......i just kinda couldn't help myself when i saw a p38 commin straight up. :D somehow, i know i'll pay for it next time though. :rofl
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:salute nice positive topic :salute
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SBDs are amazing turners
YES, THEY ARE.
one other thing i forgot to note.......
most pilots in that position, regardless of aircraft, or firepower, would've turned right into me, and went for a quick ho. snap never even thought about that apparently.
it was a really really fun fight.
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Well part of the problem is you were in a P38G. Now that's just asking for trouble...er... wait! :)
i'm sitll amazed at how the G turns compared to the J. wish it had WEP though, as the other night, i kept gettin the guys that knew better than to turn with one. if only they had known it was me in there. :noid
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watched the film nice flying that 38 CAP snaphook is a tough 1 in that sbd <S>have you come across tazdevil in the 3DA yet another tough 1
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watched the film nice flying that 38 CAP snaphook is a tough 1 in that sbd <S>have you come across tazdevil in the 3DA yet another tough 1
thanks. like i said, though, seeing it from his end, i think i gave him too much room when i was climbing away in my passes. wondering if i should've been turning a bit earlier, and harder, at the risk of losing the E that i had, but also taking away his time to set up for my next pass.
did you notice the departure stall at about 2:30? i think THAT is what ended that fight for me. had snap been in anthign with real guns, i'd have been dead. on the other hand, had it only been an average pile-it, that fight may have continued past there.
the ensueing conversation is a good reason to keep 200 tuned too, as i think anyone reading it may have picked up some gooood info.
i haven't come across taz in a d3a yet, but when i was still in the guns, i came upon storchie(i think) in one.
was pissin me off big time....i could NOT hit that darnd airplane. i ran outa ammo on him, and not a single round in it. :rofl
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watched the film nice flying that 38 CAP snaphook is a tough 1 in that sbd <S>have you come across tazdevil in the 3DA yet another tough 1
3DA is on a completely different level as a pure turner. An SBD has no chance vs a 3DA in a pure turning contest. The SBD has to E fight it to have a chance. Looking at it strictly as a fighting platform the D3A is much easier to fly purely defensively but it's offensive limitations are significant. Leaving out proxies the D3A has a difficult time scoring kills where you can easily rack up 5-6 true air to air kills in an SBD on a single ammo load.
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well if you like the 38 stick with it and talk to the 38 drivers much as possible
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and me personally i like shufflers style of flying the 38 he gets right in the mix of things with it
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and me personally i like shufflers style of flying the 38 he gets right in the mix of things with it
yea.......i've been doin that with it.
the other night though, where we were defending, i couldn't find too many willing to try n turn with my 38G. there was one guy, that kept commin back........forget his name, but he was a great fight every time. he was incredible controlling a p47 at low speed and literally in the weeds. but i played with my food too long(or my gunnery still sucks) and betty came in and stole my kill. :rofl
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i'm sitll amazed at how the G turns compared to the J. wish it had WEP though, as the other night, i kept gettin the guys that knew better than to turn with one. if only they had known it was me in there. :noid
38G doesn't have the outer wing fuel tanks, so it's going to be that much lighter then the J and L. You burn fuel quicker as 50 in the G isn't the same as 50 in the J/L, but it does turn better. I tend to fight downhill in the G and uphill in the J because of the wep or lack therof.
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38G doesn't have the outer wing fuel tanks, so it's going to be that much lighter then the J and L. You burn fuel quicker as 50 in the G isn't the same as 50 in the J/L, but it does turn better. I tend to fight downhill in the G and uphill in the J because of the wep or lack therof.
hhmm.....i fight downhill in both of them.....but then i'm not very successful in them.......yet
when i launch in any ride, i almost always take external tanks, and max of 50% internal. i keep the tanks as lng as i can, and actually managed to kill the same guy 3 times in his mossie, without ditching them. and no, they weren't vulches. i waited for him to come back to the base i was at where he was trying to pork it though. :D
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lazydog...........any chance that jkat was filming those fights......him spit vs me in the 38's?
if he did, would you guys mind posting them in here?
thanks!
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watched the film nice flying that 38 CAP snaphook is a tough 1 in that sbd <S>have you come across tazdevil in the 3DA yet another tough 1
:huh :confused:
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:huh :confused:
weird, huh?
i friggin just woke up. ate, closed my eyes for just a second, and whammo.......it's 11.
o well...shower time, :cry
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Yup, sure is. I think I'm gonna have the big one.
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well if you like the 38 stick with it and talk to the 38 drivers much as possible
We already took him in S.A.P.P.. He learns quickly too.
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We already took him in S.A.P.P.. He learns quickly too.
as always, i appreciate the kind words.
it's thanks to the likes of you, soulss, snaphook, crims, akak, and a bunch of others, that i'm even able to get to the point i have. you guys fight clean, explain what was done wrong, and explain it clearly. i've gotten film of the fights from some of ya, and it lets me see my mistakes from your perspective, which helps greatly.
with all of you guys commin into the MW, it has brought the arena up. more fun fights. more fun people to bs with. more fun people to help me scatter pieces of my poor p38 across the cartoon landscape.
THIS is what makes this game fun.....guys like you all.
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