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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: 832725 on December 01, 2008, 05:20:11 PM
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I think we need a Jet fighter that cost About say 100 perks :pray.
Aircraft Name: Heinkel HE-162 Salamander
Crew:1
Length: 29ft 8in.
Powerplant:1x BMW 003E-1 or E-2 Jet engine
Armament: 2x Mk 108 cannons With 50rpg HE-162 A-1
2x MG 151 with 120rpg He-162 A-2 :O
Entered Service on April 19, 1945 when A HE-162 pilot shot down a Enemy Fighter to be later shot down by a tempest on landing. It was in service through out April and early May.
A total of 300 Where built and 20 where shot down in JG 1.
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Don't you think it came in a little to late?
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Don't you think it came in a little to late?
True but at least it saw combat.
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Did it have a significant part? Was it fast?
Glock, the 163 is here, and it has no significant part at all except the fact that 1/3 of the time, it was gonna blow up on take off or landing.
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One is enough. With the 262, at least, over 1000 aircraft were produced.
The He162 is a sexy fighter but there are many other aircraft I'd like to see first. Heck, there are other German aircraft I'd rather see first. Heck, there are other late war German aircraft I'd rather see first. Heck, there are other jet powered late war German aircraft I'd rather see first.
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One jet is more than enough.
Was thinking that.
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Was thinking that.
LOL you don't play...or did you forget?
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LOL you don't play...or did you forget?
Nice hijack.
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Nice hijack.
Here is how to add to a topic, pay attention.
If any I mean any AC fits the criteria..
1. Flew during WW2
2. Was at squadron strength ..This means no one off xplane/field mods
3. Fired guns at or was fired at in a "combat" situation.
... should be added. The time at which they should be added should should be the topic. Just saying no or yes is silly.
See glock typing "was thinking that." is not contributing to the thread. That is called post Hoing. :aok
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Nice hijack.
May be a hijack, but it's the truth.
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Here is how to add to a topic, pay attention.
If any I mean any AC fits the criteria..
1. Flew during WW2
2. Was at squadron strength ..This means no one off xplane/field mods
3. Fired guns at or was fired at in a "combat" situation.
... should be added. The time at which they should be added should should be the topic. Just saying no or yes is silly.
See glock typing "was thinking that." is not contributing to the thread. That is called post Hoing. :aok
And i care why? I know what i post and i think the He-162 wont be good to add only a small number saw action what really need to be added is EW planes such as the He-111.
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And i care why? I know what i post and i think the He-162 wont be good to add only a small number saw action what really need to be added is EW planes such as the He-111.
Now that's a hijack. :aok
Edit: Very few Ta 152 were produced IIRC 92 or so. Very few 3 gun La7 were produced. Very few C hogs were produced. So what is your reason now?
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It would be good for a 'what if' 1946 scenario, otherwise it is a tremendous waste of time to put into the game.
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Now that's a hijack. :aok
Edit: Very few Ta 152 were produced IIRC 92 or so. Very few 3 gun La7 were produced. Very few C hogs were produced. So what is your reason now?
So we should add a plane that only saw 1 week of action before the war end that sound good.
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So we should add a plane that only saw 1 week of action before the war end that sound good.
Yes at some point... Like when HTC has added just about every other ac but none the less, it should be added.
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Yes at some point... Like when HTC has added just about every other ac but none the less, it should be added.
Well, yes. That's true. Eventually, Skuzzy will run out of 'traditional' aircraft to model, and he will be forced to include those 'limited service' aircraft, like the He-162 and the Meteor.
But we all agree, the B-29 will NEVER be added. NO MATTER WHAT. ESPECIALLY NOT WITH A NUKE.
Unrelated: Just saw an ad for 'Fighter Ace' ( :huh ) on TV, looks a hell of alot like an AH clone. I'm gonna look at that stuff really fast.....
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But we all agree, the B-29 will NEVER be added. NO MATTER WHAT. ESPECIALLY NOT WITH A NUKE.
No, it probably will. But not with an atomic armament.
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Well, yes. That's true. Eventually, Skuzzy will run out of 'traditional' aircraft to model, and he will be forced to include those 'limited service' aircraft, like the He-162 and the Meteor.
But we all agree, the B-29 will NEVER be added. NO MATTER WHAT. ESPECIALLY NOT WITH A NUKE.
Unrelated: Just saw an ad for 'Fighter Ace' ( :huh ) on TV, looks a hell of alot like an AH clone. I'm gonna look at that stuff really fast.....
1. I think it's more of a hitec/pyro decision on what is to be added.
2. If you do some searching you will find they wanted to add the B-29...however there was a problem with clipping.
3. As already stated HTC has stated no nuke. The biggest bomb in game will be the 4k.
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I read over the 'Fighter Ace' website, and I screamed at my monitor when I saw the Meteor, Pulqui I, F86, MiG-15, AND The Kikka (Jap 262-clone) in their plane list.
I lost it when I got to the B-29.
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Yes at some point... Like when HTC has added just about every other ac but none the less, it should be added.
I do agreed with that but i really see no need to add the He-162 now later on nice plane.
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Well, yes. That's true. Eventually, Skuzzy will run out of 'traditional' aircraft to model
Skuzzy's a great guy, but he isn't the guy who adds aircraft. Those would be Pyro and HiTech.
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Somewhere I heard that Skuzzy does the modeling.
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Unrelated: Just saw an ad for 'Fighter Ace' ( :huh ) on TV, looks a hell of alot like an AH clone. I'm gonna look at that stuff really fast.....
actually i like fighter ace better than AH, for many reasons that are not worth arguing about so i wont begin to list them.
but for the purposes of this discussion lets just say that the one thing it is not is a "clone" of AH.
take the time to play it, by that i mean more than just the free for all arena (which is a great constant furball arena similar to the DA but alot more intense).
the other arenas are great especially if you like scenario's or mission oriented play.
the only advantage i think AH has over it is player base. there are more people playing AH at any given time. but in FA there are less porkers and score hores (maximum points come from downing other fighters) so those looking for a fight can find pilots willing to engage them.
FLOTSOM
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Ill give it a try some time. Hell, I HAVE been looking for a good Korea-era flight sim anyway. :D
On top of that, they have the HE-111! :aok
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Somewhere I heard that Skuzzy does the modeling.
No, Skuzzy is the hardware guy.
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Yes, AH should add the most posted planes first but still I like the idea of adding the HE-162.
In time was should have all variants of all planes. R &D is part of what we the customers pay for. Now that the vapor product dev is gone (CT) we would like to see a reciprocal from our development dollars (now going to AH instead of CT).
AH, we love ya. This is just a gentle nudge. ;)
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We already have one jet and one rocket too many.
NO.
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We already have one jet and one rocket too many.
NO.
As much as these WWII super planes were part of the era, I agree with Saxman. I would prefer a focus on propeller driven aircraft & more ground vehicles.
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We already have one jet and one rocket too many.
NO.
Never or just not now.
Choose wisely.
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Never. And take the ones we already have with it.
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Never. And take the ones we already have with it.
Why please?
More of em made than the chog ...should we rid ourselves of them also?
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I think I understand where Sax is coming from. What attracted me to this game is the props, not the jets. No need to get rid of what we have, but add props before jets...
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I think I understand where Sax is coming from. What attracted me to this game is the props, not the jets. No need to get rid of what we have, but add props before jets...
Agreed.
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but add props before jets...
He said never and remove what we have. That is BS... while I think many, many AC should be add 1st. If the AC in question does in fact meet the criteria for inclusion. It should be at some point. Or do you not want a complete WWII plane set?
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Hello Bronk,
I want it complete to the umpteenth degree. From GV's, bombers, fighters, ships, and yes even the jets. I have noticed that there are different priorities for just about everyone as to what should be included into the inventory and when. Jets just happen to be much lower of a priority for myself.
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Hello Bronk,
I want it complete to the umpteenth degree. From GV's, bombers, fighters, ships, and yes even the jets. I have noticed that there are different priorities for just about everyone as to what should be included into the inventory and when. Jets just happen to be much lower of a priority for myself.
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I completely agree with the above.
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Agreed.
If I may ask...what attracted you to the forums and not the game?
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If I may ask...what attracted you to the forums and not the game?
He stands more of a chance lasting 5 seconds in here. :D
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Somewhere I heard that Skuzzy does the modeling.
The type of modeling Skuzzy does has nothing to do with airplanes.
ack-ack
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actually i like fighter ace better than AH, for many reasons that are not worth arguing about so i wont begin to list them.
but for the purposes of this discussion lets just say that the one thing it is not is a "clone" of AH.
take the time to play it, by that i mean more than just the free for all arena (which is a great constant furball arena similar to the DA but alot more intense).
the other arenas are great especially if you like scenario's or mission oriented play.
the only advantage i think AH has over it is player base. there are more people playing AH at any given time. but in FA there are less porkers and score hores (maximum points come from downing other fighters) so those looking for a fight can find pilots willing to engage them.
FLOTSOM
i guess if you like an arcade flight model and very little player population, FA is a great game. On the other hand, you'd probably be better off playing Blazing Angels on your console, the flight model is just about the same and you'll probably find more action.
ack-ack
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If I may ask...what attracted you to the forums and not the game?
he failed miserably trying to get his kill count high in the MA so he thought he'd try his hand at getting his post count high. Compensating for short comings one can say.
ack-ack
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i guess if you like an arcade flight model and very little player population, FA is a great game. On the other hand, you'd probably be better off playing Blazing Angels on your console, the flight model is just about the same and you'll probably find more action.
ack-ack
well i guess you must have spent all of 20 seconds playing FA, because if you'd have stayed on long enough to actually have engaged anyone in the game then you would know that the flight Sim in there is far more advanced then in AH as well as the fact that the the graphics are superior. you would also know that the missions and interactive play is far more immersing and in depth than the pork and run mentality that is so predominant in AH MA.
i don't know where you get the "arcade" idea about FA. maybe that was the appearance of it years ago, but it has long ago surpassed AH in every area except coms (which is easy to deal with) and player base. from what i understand it has grown greatly in player base recently.
its a good game with its pros and cons as well as AH, so unless you have actually played it often enough recently to know it well, then don't knock it.
AH has problems all its own and not everyone playing other games have good things to say about it.
FLOTSOM
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As far as the current jet we have, it blows. It absolutely blows. Can't dogfight at all, can't turn worth a crap (190 fighting a 262 feels like a super spitfire in comparison) and the ballistics on the guns are awful.
Instead, the He162 has shorter range, a single engine, different handling (more capable of dogfighting) and less armament, but in the case of the A2 model it has MG151/20s, which would be much easier to kill P51s with than the spud guns on the 262.
The differences are day and night. It's an La7 compared to the P51D. Both have high speeds, one has better turning and better guns for easier kills, and much much shorter range.
It's as valid a request as the Meteor (probably more so) At least 2 units had He162s and there's been hints that one or two more Hitler Youth units were equipped with them, but most paperwork at this time of the war was being burned in the streets of Berlin, so records are sketchy.
I don't care what nationality it is, but it would be "fun"* to fly a more nimble jet in this game.
* = Fun not to be taken as "historically accurate," or "numerically representative of the real war" -- meant only as something worthy of spending perks on -- something this game lacks most of the time.
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he failed miserably trying to get his kill count high in the MA so he thought he'd try his hand at getting his post count high. Compensating for short comings one can say.
ack-ack
Love the same old come back. :aok
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i don't know where you get the "arcade" idea about FA. maybe that was the appearance of it years ago, but it has long ago surpassed AH in every area except coms (which is easy to deal with) and player base.
FLOTSOM
BS.. DL FA last night to see if the latest rendition improved...it hasn't. Head on a stick views, no sensation of speed, feels like flying in pudding. Graphics???
AH
(http://www1.hitechcreations.com/news/images/p39/p39q4.jpg)
(http://www1.hitechcreations.com/news/images/p39/p39q1.jpg)
FA
(http://wikipedia.ketsujin.com/images/thumb/8/85/P-39Q_Right_Side.jpg/800px-P-39Q_Right_Side.jpg)
(http://wikipedia.ketsujin.com/images/thumb/b/b9/P-39Q_Cockpit.jpg/800px-P-39Q_Cockpit.jpg)
Yea better gfx ....right.
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lol... better graphics, maybe than the 1999 models like the C2 and the Ki61 :lol
(Note: I don't know if these aircraft were introduced to Aces High in 1999, I'm just using the word as an expression of being old.)
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As far as the current jet we have, it blows. It absolutely blows. Can't dogfight at all, can't turn worth a crap (190 fighting a 262 feels like a super spitfire in comparison) and the ballistics on the guns are awful.
Instead, the He162 has shorter range, a single engine, different handling (more capable of dogfighting) and less armament, but in the case of the A2 model it has MG151/20s, which would be much easier to kill P51s with than the spud guns on the 262.
The differences are day and night. It's an La7 compared to the P51D. Both have high speeds, one has better turning and better guns for easier kills, and much much shorter range.
It's as valid a request as the Meteor (probably more so) At least 2 units had He162s and there's been hints that one or two more Hitler Youth units were equipped with them, but most paperwork at this time of the war was being burned in the streets of Berlin, so records are sketchy.
I don't care what nationality it is, but it would be "fun"* to fly a more nimble jet in this game.
* = Fun not to be taken as "historically accurate," or "numerically representative of the real war" -- meant only as something worthy of spending perks on -- something this game lacks most of the time.
You do realize we agree right? :huh :D
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well i guess you must have spent all of 20 seconds playing FA, because if you'd have stayed on long enough to actually have engaged anyone in the game then you would know that the flight Sim in there is far more advanced then in AH as well as the fact that the the graphics are superior. you would also know that the missions and interactive play is far more immersing and in depth than the pork and run mentality that is so predominant in AH MA.
i don't know where you get the "arcade" idea about FA. maybe that was the appearance of it years ago, but it has long ago surpassed AH in every area except coms (which is easy to deal with) and player base. from what i understand it has grown greatly in player base recently.
its a good game with its pros and cons as well as AH, so unless you have actually played it often enough recently to know it well, then don't knock it.
AH has problems all its own and not everyone playing other games have good things to say about it.
FLOTSOM
The flight model is nowhere near the level of AH's, in fact it wasn't even on the level of AW when FA first came out (imagine a game with an even more arcade flight model than AW). As for the graphics, as Bronk showed, those 2D cockpit graphics are very reminiscent of EAW (European Air War), maybe a tad better but no where near AH's.
No, FA is not even close to being the better online flight sim than AH. Anyone that thinks so hasn't really been flying online flight sims all that much if they think the model that FA has is good.
FA is where the ones that couldn't cut it in AH or WB migrated to after AW closed shop, guys like Doody and RAGS.
ack-ack
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BS.. DL FA last night to see if the latest rendition improved...it hasn't. Head on a stick views, no sensation of speed, feels like flying in pudding. Graphics???
AH
(http://www1.hitechcreations.com/news/images/p39/p39q4.jpg)
(http://www1.hitechcreations.com/news/images/p39/p39q1.jpg)
FA
(http://wikipedia.ketsujin.com/images/thumb/8/85/P-39Q_Right_Side.jpg/800px-P-39Q_Right_Side.jpg)
(http://wikipedia.ketsujin.com/images/thumb/b/b9/P-39Q_Cockpit.jpg/800px-P-39Q_Cockpit.jpg)
Yea better gfx ....right.
well lets look at this, you have a darker setting on the AH pics, a different skin and a different view, different sights and different background orientation in the cockpit views, AH has the much newer style of instrument panel where FA looks more realistic to the time the plane was created. you are also firing all guns in AH and not in FA.
you showed no pictures of the water or ground in FA or the buildings or explosions, but i guess you may not have been able to find any on wiki, so you just posted what they had huh?
why didn't you post these instead?
(http://wikipedia.ketsujin.com/images/f/f7/Smoking_is_bad_for_your_health.jpg)
(http://wikipedia.ketsujin.com/images/2/24/Now_that%27s_firepower%21.jpg)
(http://wikipedia.ketsujin.com/images/2/21/Chasing_the_Sun.jpg)
(http://wikipedia.ketsujin.com/images/0/08/Avenger_Strike.jpg)
(http://wikipedia.ketsujin.com/images/7/72/FA_Screenshot_34.jpg)
(http://wikipedia.ketsujin.com/images/c/c8/FA_Screenshot_21.jpg)
(i did my best to find pictures that show no signs of being edited)
and there are many many more, some are good and some down right suc. but you need to keep in mind that these are screen shots taken by players. some systems are excellent, as yours is with you AH pictures show, but some are not so good. some of the posted AH pictures Ive seen in these forums are down right horrible, but i understand that that is because of the posters system and settings not the game itself.
The flight model is nowhere near the level of AH's, in fact it wasn't even on the level of AW when FA first came out (imagine a game with an even more arcade flight model than AW). As for the graphics, as Bronk showed, those 2D cockpit graphics are very reminiscent of EAW (European Air War), maybe a tad better but no where near AH's.
No, FA is not even close to being the better online flight sim than AH. Anyone that thinks so hasn't really been flying online flight sims all that much if they think the model that FA has is good.
FA is where the ones that couldn't cut it in AH or WB migrated to after AW closed shop, guys like Doody and RAGS.
ack-ack
had a retort for you but have decided, after remembering how stupid most of your nontechnical conversation tend to get, that i wouldn't bother except to say you are wrong.
play the game longer than 5 minutes and see the difference in it. until you do, until you have at least a few hours of playing to base an opinion on you have nothing to offer this conversation.
FLOTSOM
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I don't know the last time (in the real world) a single 20mm cannon round spouted a 12-foot long, 3-feet wide jet of fire out of the barrel.
The textures on the planes are lower resolution than AHs, and while a couple look okay, the P-39's looks rather sad in FA. The ground texture is all bitmap, no real ground (worse than Ubisoft, even), and the water is u, g, l, y, ugly.
I gave FA a run years back, and yes the flight model was laughable. Worse than IL2's. The weapons, the damage, the flight, the graphics, all are a joke. Some of the graphics are a bit better now, judging by the screenshots, but they are not exactly superior to AHs nor are they indicative of a higher level of quality for the overall game.
FA is not a real flight sim. No more than TIE Fighter. Sure it can be fun, but let's not compare it to real life, okay?
Ah, on the other hand, can be (and is) compared to real life physics, ballistics, aerodynamics, and many other areas.
Back to the original topic, now?
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So we should add a plane that only saw 1 week of action before the war end that sound good.
P-47M....
[hijack] it would help, if you didn't respond to every single post someone made, instead, get maybe 2 or 3 different quotes at a time. So atleast it might not look like you're working for your post count [/hijack]
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Krusty,
I will say that from the screenshots the water at least APPEARS to be giving the illusion of being wet, which is more than you can really say for AH. Granted it's hard to tell from a still shot like what was posted. The flame effects THEMSELVES look good too, but I agree to TONE IT DOWN!
I think if you coupled AH's flight model with Il-2's graphics, complex engine management (fixing the ludicrous engine overheats in the process) and detailed damage model you'd have the perfect sim.
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If we ever get another Jet, I would prefer the Meteor F.III
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FA is not a real flight sim. No more than TIE Fighter. Sure it can be fun, but let's not compare it to real life, okay?
Ah, on the other hand, can be (and is) compared to real life physics, ballistics, aerodynamics, and many other areas.
i don't know the last time in cartoon land that a person was hit with a 20mm round and went to the morgue. AH has nothing in common with real life except for the names of the planes. when was the last time you were shot down and actually died? this is a game and it sickens me everytime someone makes some real life reference like this or any game could come close. not even in some bizarre drug induced manner could any video game hope to touch real life.
AH has nothing in common with the "real life physics, ballistics, aerodynamics, and many other areas". that's is so absurd a statement. lets end that line of poop with one simple example;
tiger tank runs over a sheep, sheep flips tiger tank on its side.
welcome to the real world.
FA is not a real flight sim? you pretend to fly cartoon aircraft that generally obey the laws of cartoon physics and a/c model type as closely as you can in a cartoon environment, you screw up you crash then you get a new plane. sounds like a flight sim to me.
the water in FA looks like shimmering glass compared to AH, the buildings are detailed (do you see the gunner in the tower?)
you say you haven't played it in a couple of years, well how does AH stack up now compared to what it was like a few years ago?
(http://wikipedia.ketsujin.com/images/9/92/Fa41_05.jpg)
(http://wikipedia.ketsujin.com/images/f/f5/Fa41_03.jpg)
(http://wikipedia.ketsujin.com/images/0/0d/Fa41_02.jpg)
(http://wikipedia.ketsujin.com/images/f/f4/Fa41_04.jpg)
(http://wikipedia.ketsujin.com/images/8/8e/Fa393_ss08.jpg)
(http://wikipedia.ketsujin.com/images/f/f0/FA_Screenshot_62.jpg)
as i said before, these are screen shots made by other players and posted. just like in AH how good it looks depends on the system and settings of the person posting it. look through some of the pics posted in AH BBS and you'll find more than a few that don't look all that impressive.
now i am not saying that FA is the perfect game, or that it is the greatest Ive ever seen. (try the microsoft WWII flight sim it has some amazingly detailed gfx) but i am saying that i like FA and those that haven't played it shouldn't belittle what they know little or nothing about.
FLOTSOM
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Flotsom:
In regards to FA, what about the modeling of torque, stall performance, engine management, control forces at various speeds? Damage modeling?
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FLOTSOM
Amazing what a little photo editing software can do now. :rolleyes:
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Fighter ace 10th year anniversary edition out now.
10 more planes.
I also wounder how people can clame planes fly better in aces high vs. fighter aces when aces high doesnt have any real weather effects anymore. How can a plane fly more real if its not being effected by the very things that make flight so interesting.
Hmh, food for thought.
Wow, just played it again, folks stick with aces high.
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Flotsom:
In regards to FA, what about the modeling of torque, stall performance, engine management, control forces at various speeds? Damage modeling?
in some aspects of flight sim it is more immersing than AH, the flight characteristics in each plane have to be worked more in FA, no stall limiter, no combat trim, no auto take off, you need to actually fly your plane. the torque is modeled, if you wep up your engine and leave it on your engine will overheat and pop, if you stall you go into a spin or drop out of the air, you can outrun your control surfaces ect. it models all of the aspects of flight that AH models as far as i can tell. except in FA you have to contend with wind and clouds ect.
on the bigger planes (bombers ect) you do have a form of auto pilot after you take off, and if your flying a fighter in a squad all planes can lock onto and auto follow their wingman. course neither of these do you any good in a fight or at evading, they are just like AH auto level in that they shut off as soon as you touch your stick.
i like the damage modeling better in FA, the damage seems more accurate when your hit. but the visual damage to a plane (pieces falling off) looks better in AH.
you do have better head views in AH.
AH on the other hand gives you a different feel about the a/c your in, mentally i relate it to like being in your own car kinda feel. its a more homey(?) kinda feel. i know that's not the right way to say it, but its the only reasonable comparison i can come up with.
i like both games, both have their pros and cons, i just preffer FA.
i play AH because its the game that my brother JETSOM prefers, so i play it mostly for the interaction with him. if he wasn't here then I'm not so sure i would have stayed.
my point is that FA is a good game, and before people verbally attack it they should try to spend some time playing it. it has a hard learning curve but anyone who brings the experience of AH into FA (or vice versa) will already have most of the basic theory mastered. getting the views and the button locations memorized will be the hardest part of it.
download it free and try it, if you don't like it uninstall it. it, like AH, is not for everyone. all i ask is that people try it before they judge it.
FLOTSOM
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the flight characteristics in each plane have to be worked more in FA, BS
no stall limiter, no combat trim, no auto take off, you need to actually fly your plane. who in AH flys with stall limiter on?
the torque is modeled, if you wep up your engine and leave it on your engine will overheat and pop, if you stall you go into a spin or drop out of the air, you can outrun your control surfaces ect. only In certain level arenas where there are next to no players
it models all of the aspects of flight that AH models as far as i can tell. except in FA you have to contend with wind and clouds ect.
on the bigger planes (bombers ect) you do have a form of auto pilot after you take off, and if your flying a fighter in a squad all planes can lock onto and auto follow their wingman. course neither of these do you any good in a fight or at evading, they are just like AH auto level in that they shut off as soon as you touch your stick.
i like the damage modeling better in FA, the damage seems more accurate when your hit. have to call big BS on this one, the damage model is in no way better, apart from the information of where you hit the enemy plane, planes take much more damage and everything below a 20mm round is worthless
but the visual damage to a plane (pieces falling off) looks better in AH.
you do have better head views in AH.
my point is that FA is a good game, and before people verbally attack it they should try to spend some time playing it. it has a hard learning curve but anyone who brings the experience of AH into FA (or vice versa) will already have most of the basic theory mastered. getting the views and the button locations memorized will be the hardest part of it. learning curve isn't as hard as AH but I'll agree with the rest of this statement
download it free and try it, if you don't like it uninstall it. it, like AH, is not for everyone. all i ask is that people try it before they judge it.
FLOTSOM
After being the best I could be at that game and learning AH from scratch I have to say AH is much better overall. FA used to be great for fast paced dogfighting but it has fallen by the wayside in terms of improvements, updates and player numbers.
The very fact that you can make this post openly on this forum claiming that a competitor is better in certain aspects and not have the post removed and banned from the forum says alot too. I put a few people straight when comparisons were made with AH with a fair unbiased POV and thats how ya get treated ;)
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After being the best I could be at that game and learning AH from scratch I have to say AH is much better overall. FA used to be great for fast paced dogfighting but it has fallen by the wayside in terms of improvements, updates and player numbers.
The very fact that you can make this post openly on this forum claiming that a competitor is better in certain aspects and not have the post removed and banned from the forum says alot too. I put a few people straight when comparisons were made with AH with a fair unbiased POV and that's how ya get treated ;)
i missed that comparison, you are correct that it is a much more liberal forum policy here than in others.
i have had no issues with killing or being killed by .50's in FA, but you are correct that it takes more of them than the single ping to take off wings or tails. the BB's are BB's, like here you need a pilot hit to be effective. the cannons are definitely up modeled compared to AH, you hit solidly with a short burst of 20mm and the a/c disintergrates. but it still takes alot to take down a bomber, those things eat ammo. placed shots aiming at the canopy or the wing root are the only way to take them quickly (learned that tactic here, but it works just as well there).
unless the arena your in is set up for easier flying (which a sponsored arena in FA can be) then i disagree with you on the modeling aspects being easy in FA. its easier to stall and go into a spin if you fly erratically in FA. but alot of that is gonna be opinional and subject to the style of flying the pilot is accustom to.
the player base has grown, there are more people playing it now so there are more fights to find.
i learned FA around the same time i was learning AH so to me they were both hard, i didn't have the advantage of having a basic skill set and experience from one game that i could take into the other. they were both new for me so to me they were both difficult. but like i said, taking the skills from one into the other gives you a good basic start.
it all boils down to opinion, if a person hasn't tried it recently then they don't know enough about it to have and opinion on it. its like a person who has never played or hasn't played AH in years talking about how bad AH gfx or modeling once was like it was still current information. AH has changed alot in just the 2 years i have been playing, so if a person hasn't played in a year then they really don't know the game anymore.
i am not telling or advocating that anyone should leave or abandon AH. i am saying that FA is a good game in its own rights, nothing more. fact is, if a person can afford to then my best recommend is play both. when i get aggravated or frustrated with something in one game i switch to the other for awhile. i think the change helps keep me from feeling burned out because they are different enough to change the pace but similar enough to allow the use of the same skills and individual player style. (yes i do as badly there as i do here)
but you are also correct when you insinuate that this is not a proper conversation for this forum. although AH might not sanction it, I'm sure they don't appreciate it. so this will be my last post on the topic of FA.
FLOTSOM
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fair enough flotsom,
TBH I can't comment on player numbers as I left nearly 4 years ago now, Others have left since saying it has become worse.
We used to have up to 200 people in classic and that was getting down to 60 odd in my time zone which was unacceptable to me.
Hopefully If they have an alumni weekend before christmas, like they usually do, I'll see whats changed for free (they wont get another dollar out of me). I doubt that its any different though and most likely be very amused at how arcadey and easy it all is :D.
edit: they added the B29!!! Nook!!!
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I must say, with the exception of the explosion effects and water (which I'd assume HTC knows needs to be updated and I hope will be soon), Fighter Ace looks like crap in every aspect. The cockpits and plane graphic models are even worse than some of the original Aces High ones.
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they added the B29!!! Nook!!!
That's it. AH is now CONFIRMED better.
Also, I like X-Wing vs TIE Fighter. I have to remember to take a USB drive to my friend's house and get the torr-I MEAN, full game disc that I... err, bought there....
:noid
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Sorry for the double post, but I DID notice a nice redeeming feature of FA:
The latest Spit model they have is the 14. I wonder what it must be like without spixteens...
Oh wow, they give the 262's R4M rockets! :O
I've been asking for those HERE!
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Sorry for the double post, but I DID notice a nice redeeming feature of FA:
The latest Spit model they have is the 14. I wonder what it must be like without spixteens...
Oh wow, they give the 262's R4M rockets! :O
I've been asking for those HERE!
You do realize the the Mk XVI is the US powered LF Mk IX? Which is basically a 43 bird?
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You do realize the the Mk XVI is the US powered LF Mk IX? Which is basically a 43 bird?
No, I don't. I'm no spit expert.
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No, I don't. I'm no spit expert.
Well ya do now. :D
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Back on the main topic at hand.
It would be nice to have the He-162 in game. Despite the fact that very few were made and arrived at the war Too late,
it is still considered a late war fighter and its fair game.
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Well how about that for a 80 yard punt wow...
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Well we could use more variety for the jets we fly.
Aside from the Gloster Meteor for an allied equivalent, the He-162 will make a more
agile alternative to the speeding brick that is the Me-262.
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Well, the He-162 would have priority over the Meteor if you factor in one thing, It has confirmed kills against Allied planes. Other than that, people will want the Meteor well before the Salamander simply because it's Allied. I am not against the addition of the Meteor, and if anything, would like to see them come in a package deal. :D
Heinkel He-162 and Gloster Meteor Screenshots
*Insert random pictures of 162's and Meteors here*
:lol
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sorry macrossmx, you still don't get a cookie...necro bumping anything older than 6 months gets it skuzzy locked.
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Cool....undead thread just in time for Halloween :D
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Well, yes. That's true. Eventually, Skuzzy will run out of 'traditional' aircraft to model, and he will be forced to include those 'limited service' aircraft, like the He-162 and the Meteor.
But we all agree, the B-29 will NEVER be added. NO MATTER WHAT. ESPECIALLY NOT WITH A NUKE.
Unrelated: Just saw an ad for 'Fighter Ace' ( :huh ) on TV, looks a hell of alot like an AH clone. I'm gonna look at that stuff really fast.....
I love old threads :rofl
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10- Do not punt topics. Punting would be making a non-substantive post for the express purpose of bring the thread to the top of the thread list
he technically isn't breaking the rule because he is continuing the topic instead of just saying BUMP.
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I love old threads :rofl
:rofl I was gonna quote that same thing but you beat me to it.