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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: RoGenT on December 04, 2008, 08:58:07 PM
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I know everyone has their own desire of what they would prefer to have while playing this game. Being that some guys don't care about working for the kill, and others do. I would have this set for poll but because I can't figure out or have the opinion to do it, i'll just do this way. I personally fly the pony (like everyone didn't know that one) so I usually do the whole B/Z but if I can get 1vs1, i'll definetly get down and dirty and work for it.
Would you rather:
Kills quick and easy?
Work for it?
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Depends on whats around...1v1 let the fight go where it wants and have some fun. If I know the cavarly is on the way I want it over like now. To many ganglets around looking for a good home.
Race
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Most cases I like to duke it out, but on occasion I try to get the fight over with as soon as possible. Just depends on whats going on at the time. I have refused to take some shots to keep the fight going, when in a 1vs1. Even a 2 on 1 I like to keep going a little depending on how things are going.
I always know when it's you too. One of the only pony sticks that will turn with a spit even when they start out with alt. :salute
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Easy kills abound. A good knock down drag out is always rare....guess which I like best......... :devil
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Duke it out.
I'd rather "die" in a good fight then land 10 I didn't work for.
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a good on the deck knife fight is aways more rewarding. :aok
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I like to have a good fight then a nice quick kill. I hate it when they just shoot me into little pieces.
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Live or die I'd rather have a long drawn out advantage swinging fight without someone budding in. Had a few in the last few years but they are getting rarer by the month.
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It totally depends on the situation and the planes involved. If I come across a lone Jug or Fw190 at 8k in my Typhoon I'd love to have a nice long fight. But, if I'm in a massive and complex engagement with SpitXVI's and Niki's flailing around, spewing cannon rounds like agitated bees, I wanna pop them like the ripe fruit they are as quickly and easily as possible in rapid succession...
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Given a choice, duke it out. The MA does not often afford that choice if you want to live long enough to kill the next victim on your list, though. In the parameters of the MA, I try to be an efficient killer but an uninterrupted 1v1 is always a thrill. :salute
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It totally depends on the situation and the planes involved. If I come across a lone Jug or Fw190 at 8k in my Typhoon I'd love to have a nice long fight. But, if I'm in a massive and complex engagement with SpitXVI's and Niki's flailing around, spewing cannon rounds like agitated bees, I wanna pop them like the ripe fruit they are as quickly and easily as possible in rapid succession...
Zazen's shortest post, ever. :D
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Zazen's shortest post, ever. :D
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Duke it out.
I'd rather "die" in a good fight then land 10 I didn't work for.
I second this motion
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Duke it out, but only with more than 1. In the MA, 1 v 1 are usually pretty quick suprisingly. Someone always comes in with the advantage or knows more ACM than the other person.
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If trying to break a cap, cap a base, or in any other situation where it is better to have less of them around I will go for the quick kill, If furballing i wont worry about going for a quick kill.
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Rogent, if its you, I'ma gonna kill you as quick as possible - otherwise you'll outfly and then kill me lol.......
Seriously tho, it depends on the situation - given I dive into a lot of red's, I'm looking to reduce the numbers firing at me as quickly as possible - if I come across a single red and get engaged, i'm looking at increasing my skills by trying to kill him from his 6 (or at least from behind his 3 - 9 line anyway).
Nice to see ya back mate,
<S>
Wurzel
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I play the SA game (max thinking min physical effort). I prefer my kills like they most often happened in real with first bounce to an unknown victim. I am most **ssed when at some rare occasions someone kills me without me even noticing him :) I also respect those who can do that to me. Naturally there are sometimes AFK kills amoung the bounces, which are a slight bore, but it's not my fault if they fail to be there to see their deaths ;). The best ones are those where one clearly sees how the victim is trying to wiggle at the last moments :t
When I need to be engaged in serious furball, my SA has already failed me or I am just fooling around without caring much about possible enemies above me. To me that is the arcade side of an otherwise sim-like game.
Yes, I try to land my kills.
Fortunately this game affords us all to play it differently. I only wish all people would grant everyone else their liberty to choose their own style without whining :D
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Duke it out.
I'd rather "die" in a good fight then land 10 I didn't work for.
:aok
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I'm more of a tactics and marksmanship guy than a dogfighter, so I prefer to work for a quick and easy, if that makes any sense. Set the guy up for a hard hammer blow or draw him into making a stupid mistake and then smash him to pieces. To my mind, getting drawn into a furball or drawn down into a slow knife fight on the deck means a failure in planning or wrong tactics.
Nothing against guys who prefer fights like that (they make great bait) but its just not for me.
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Duke it out.
I'd rather "die" in a good fight then land 10 I didn't work for.
DIDO :salute
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Duke it out, but the MA rarely affords you the chance to do it often. I find myself rolling for 10 sec's then looking for the a picker diving form the mothership.
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I'd rather duke it out. The realy great fights to be had can be found in 3v1s and more. Even if you die...
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Duke it out......
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Zazen's shortest post, ever. :D
Ditto. You notice he didn't mention his alt.
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I'm more of a tactics and marksmanship guy than a dogfighter, so I prefer to work for a quick and easy, if that makes any sense. Set the guy up for a hard hammer blow or draw him into making a stupid mistake and then smash him to pieces. To my mind, getting drawn into a furball or drawn down into a slow knife fight on the deck means a failure in planning or wrong tactics.
Nothing against guys who prefer fights like that (they make great bait) but its just not for me.
I'm with Treize most of the time in MA fights. Occasionally if I'm in a good low speed turner though I'm happy to see a fight head that way :) Entirely dependent on situation.
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I know everyone has their own desire of what they would prefer to have while playing this game. Being that some guys don't care about working for the kill, and others do. I would have this set for poll but because I can't figure out or have the opinion to do it, i'll just do this way. I personally fly the pony (like everyone didn't know that one) so I usually do the whole B/Z but if I can get 1vs1, i'll definetly get down and dirty and work for it.
Would you rather:
Kills quick and easy?
Work for it?
rather have a fun fight, regardless of outcome. :D
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They don't call them fighter aces for nothing....would always rather fight! :rock
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well I try to kill them as quick as possable!!
for I know there are many more where he came from,
two nights ago in the Late war MA, I got into 3 great 1vs1 in a row I was immpressed.
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I would say every fight is a duke it out, just look at my fighter score! :lol Even though I get shot down a lot, I learn a little more each time. Eventually it should pay off... I think? :uhoh
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For me it depends. If I'm in a hostile area in a 190D and I run into a buncha bandits I'll BnZ. If I catch another 190 or P-47, or P-51 while I'm in a 190D I'll prefer to tangle with them. If I'm in a 109 I'll just rush in taking on 1 vs multiple. If my objective is to provide air cover for a strike package over an air field for a take over, then I'll do w/e it take to keep air superiority over the area. If I'm on a ground pounding sorty such as a 110, I'll most likely try to avoid air to air and work on the town. But bandits are welcome, If they come at me I'd fight them off. If not I'll leave them alone and work on the town.
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Both.
If I wanna duke it out, I take a 109 or an F6F, or maybe a P38.
Quick and easy? P51 and 47 boom n' zoom.
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What if I worked for it and now it is quick and it looks easy? :O
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I'm more of a tactics and marksmanship guy than a dogfighter, so I prefer to work for a quick and easy, if that makes any sense. Set the guy up for a hard hammer blow or draw him into making a stupid mistake and then smash him to pieces. To my mind, getting drawn into a furball or drawn down into a slow knife fight on the deck means a failure in planning or wrong tactics.
Nothing against guys who prefer fights like that (they make great bait) but its just not for me.
Here's my question, what do you do if you dont have the advantage?
IRL you didnt get to choose the circumstances of every engagement, what if your cast in the role of VMF-221 at Midway or the 39th Squadron flying P-400's out of Port moresby in 1942? This entire argument of a "failure in planning" is hogwash. Basically your saying I want to control the fight and only engage with the advantage and the ability to disengage at will.
To me its simple, I like to win...end of story. However I recognize that true victory can only come by prevailing in a true contest of skill. Accordingly I also accept and embrace the possibility of defeat. No true gain is possible without the real risk of loss and any "victory" achieved without true risk is hollow meaningless and without merit.
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No true gain is possible without the real risk of loss and any "victory" achieved without true risk is hollow meaningless and without merit.
but it looks good on the score page and helps you pick up chicks at bars!! :noid
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I prefer to kill them quick so I can move on to the next target.
My longest fights tend to be ones when I'm at a starting disadvantage and have to work to gain parity.
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but it looks good on the score page and helps you pick up chicks at bars!! :noid
being able to kill stuff in ahii does help me pick up chicks at the bar. true story!
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I play the SA game (max thinking min physical effort). I prefer my kills like they most often happened in real with first bounce to an unknown victim. I am most **ssed when at some rare occasions someone kills me without me even noticing him :) I also respect those who can do that to me. Naturally there are sometimes AFK kills amoung the bounces, which are a slight bore, but it's not my fault if they fail to be there to see their deaths ;). The best ones are those where one clearly sees how the victim is trying to wiggle at the last moments :t
When I need to be engaged in serious furball, my SA has already failed me or I am just fooling around without caring much about possible enemies above me. To me that is the arcade side of an otherwise sim-like game.
Yes, I try to land my kills.
Fortunately this game affords us all to play it differently. I only wish all people would grant everyone else their liberty to choose their own style without whining :D
Nicely put. In a lot of ways good fightering is like good pool. When you watch pro pool players on TV, they are rarely having to make hard shots. A well played game of pool is a combination of fore-thinking and meticulous execution. The end result is usually a succession of relatively easy shots resulting in a win.
Fighter combat is no different. A quick and relatively easy kill is usually the result of good execution, fore-thinking, gunnery and timing. It doesn't happen by accident. I like a nice drawn out fight too when possible, but in general, if I'm in a turn 'n burn merry-go-round with my pants around my ankles for any enemy that cares to take a pass at me, I fugged up somewhere in my planning, execution, shotmaking and/or forethinking.
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I prefer to kill them quick so I can move on to the next target.
My longest fights tend to be ones when I'm at a starting disadvantage and have to work to gain parity.
and then get gang rapes because you can't get out of there amirite?
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and then get gang rapes because you can't get out of there amirite?
That's precisely WHY I like quick kills. The faster I can knock planes down, the less likely the chance I'll look around and find myself boxed in by a sea of red.
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Yea Saxman I entirely agree. If I know for a fact that there is not another con for miles, I really enjoy a good long 1v1. I generally go for the tactics/marksmanship combo because A. it works out for me and B. I'm pretty sure someone else is coming along soon. This is particularly true if I'm flying my beloved p 47 D 25 or 40. It takes so long to get any E back that I cannot take a long time burning it up in a 1v1. Hence, I use some tactics and gunnery (with 8 .50s, this works well :) ) to take that extra 20 seconds out of the fight.
Regarding Humble's earlier post...
Yea its true you cannot always choose your fight. However, giving yourself an option on a regular basis isn't too tough, with a little planning and SA. There are very few birds in the game that I will willingly fly into the bottom half (altitude wise) of a large fight, unless absolutely necessary in a situation. (IE goonie bird sneakily dropping troops)
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That's precisely WHY I like quick kills. The faster I can knock planes down, the less likely the chance I'll look around and find myself boxed in by a sea of red.
Yeop, that's why I BnZ. It's the most efficient way to remain air superiority over an area. I welcome 1 v. 1, I got no problem with it and actually love it. However, 95% of the time as soon as I get tangle up in a 1 v 1. Let say P51 v D9 or w/e, we'll end up otd and it might drag out sometime up to 10 min (rarely happen) but it had happen. Then the calvery of the baddies came in and face rape me =/. I'm not afraid of 1 v. 1, im just afraid of 5 baddies jumping me after I get tangle up in a 1 v 1. 100% of the time when I'm in a D9, I'm deep in enemy air space so the odd of getting gang bang once I get low and slow is almost 100%. When I'm in a tnb plane such as 109, I usually maintain over my own air space because of the fuel issue.
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i prefer the battle. anyone can BNZ. ACM is where its at!
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Also this is where the BnZ discussion get ugly. People generally hate it, in a furball there is no 1 v 1. It's everyman for himself. You got poor SA you pay for it. I've done enough BnZ to know that there are no way to avoid a good BnZmer once you got you on sight in a furball. People generally hate BnZ because they got poor SA, and also because they refuse to get some decend alt and go into the fight.
I've scramble a lot and get bnzed 30 secs after take off, it's normal I expected it. I'm not gunna cry about it because I know that's gunna happen. If I was careful I'd just maintain OTD head to a direction where there are no baddies, climb to 5-7k and come back. Usually I'd be too lazy to do it and get bnzed to death.
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i prefer the battle. anyone can BNZ. ACM is where its at!
Anyone can BnZ yes, but do it correctly or not is the question. You got BnZmer w/ 5 kill/hour ratio. Then you got those that are 10 kill/hr.
A good BnZmer will know ACM =), you will need it to predict. Most people that BnZ fail to understand the higher you are, the slower it will take you to get on opertunity targets. I generally fly my D9 at 6-8K to the fight. Once I get to the fight and I see it's at 10k then I'd climb to 10k. I'd never go higher then 1-2k above the fight. I stay at 7k usually because most fights are at 5k and under. If it's OTD then I'd drop down to 3k.
I fly D9 most the time and I get jump by spit/la pretty much every flight, and I'd use my ACM to force them to go overshot and to create a snapshot. BnZ is great but it gets a lot better w/ good ACM.
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i prefer the battle. anyone can BNZ. ACM is where its at!
:rofl .. So in your book only yank and bank is ACM?
BnZ includes just as much ACM, unless you understand BnZ as someting like extending out of icon range. BnZ just includes in addition keepeing ones alt and/or energy, which is essential while flying a plane which is not very nimble.
IMO, anyone can yank and bank and die, but not many can BnZ and land their kills.... especially at good hunting grounds, where there are more enemies than friendlies ;)
I rather land 2 perfectly bounced kills than engage in a low furball to get 5 kills and die after that. But that's just me :)
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:rofl .. So in your book only yank and bank is ACM?
BnZ includes just as much ACM, unless you understand BnZ as someting like extending out of icon range. BnZ just includes in addition keepeing ones alt and/or energy, which is essential while flying a plane which is not very nimble.
IMO, anyone can yank and bank and die, but not many can BnZ and land their kills.... especially at good hunting grounds, where there are more enemies than friendlies ;)
I rather land 2 perfectly bounced kills than engage in a low furball to get 5 kills and die after that. But that's just me :)
Which is usually most BnZ happen. I usually only BnZ where baddies out # my side by far.
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Yea those are the most fun Yenny :) I like flying inverted with my jug, looking down into a sea of red and finding the guy with the most E...or any LA/109K which will soon be co-alt. :rock
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hehe I circle around and look down the wing that's pointing down=)
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Whatever's most fun at the time.
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i prefer the battle. anyone can BNZ. ACM is where its at!
Sorry to burst your bubble...BNZ is also ACM. It has been my experience that anyone that believes "anyone can BNZ"....can't. :)
In truth...anyone can turn and burn...and far too many do.
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Correct, there. BnZ is NOT climbing to impractically high altitudes, diving at insanely high speeds, and extending to ridiculously long distances, lather, rinse repeat. Such a practice will only get you a shot at an opponent with the absolute worst SA imagineable. You're too easy to see coming, too easy to dodge, and will never be able to corner your opponent.
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It's all stick stirring. Nothing but dweebs from top to bottom of the score charts.
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Definitely like the quick kills, tho they are not always easy. Long fights are so much fun but as a Jug driver its best not to get into those.
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well I try to kill them as quick as possable!!
for I know there are many more where he came from,
two nights ago in the Late war MA, I got into 3 great 1vs1 in a row I was impressed.
I wasn't, you killed me.
:lol
I will always get down and dirty in a Mossie if it is a true 1 v 1. Even against sticks like you, ink. I enjoy pushing it to the limits against better planes. Your Hurrie though is just too tight a turner to kill without an advantage.
Rogent you did ask an interesting question. I will always look for a quick kill but will only take a Ho shot if outnumbered or defending a field from a raid. I do however enjoy the challenge of getting into a fight that requires me to take the Mossie to the edge of it's flight envelop. I am not afraid to turn with Spit 16s or 9s or stall fight with 38s but I know that they will win if the fight goes too long. Fun for me is taking the fight to the red guy in a way he/she would not expect from the plane they are facing. Needless to say, I die a lot. But doing this has taught me how to fly the Mossie on the edge, and that can be very necessary on occasions.
Good question!
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Because I can't BnZ correctly and I can't kill quickly I have become accustomed slow drawn out battles.
Main reason to post was to say Gidday Rogent nice to see you <<S>> will you be back to the virtual skies soon?
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The way Ive found to get the most out of the game is to always fly at the disadvantage. Weaker planes, and less alt, with no options provide the best fights. Even those who mainly pick will be tempted by your situation and press the attack. There is no shortage of excitement.
The other night I took a P51 and picked around the fringes, and dove through the middle of a furball. I spent alot of time flying, got some kills and rtb'd. When I was done it puzzled me how some can do that all the time and stay interested in the game.
Quality fights win or lose is why I play. If my transit/loiter time exceeds my trigger time, I'm having a boring flight.
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I wasn't, you killed me.
:lol
I will always get down and dirty in a Mossie if it is a true 1 v 1. Even against sticks like you, ink. I enjoy pushing it to the limits against better planes. Your Hurrie though is just too tight a turner to kill without an advantage.
Rogent you did ask an interesting question. I will always look for a quick kill but will only take a Ho shot if outnumbered or defending a field from a raid. I do however enjoy the challenge of getting into a fight that requires me to take the Mossie to the edge of it's flight envelop. I am not afraid to turn with Spit 16s or 9s or stall fight with 38s but I know that they will win if the fight goes too long. Fun for me is taking the fight to the red guy in a way he/she would not expect from the plane they are facing. Needless to say, I die a lot. But doing this has taught me how to fly the Mossie on the edge, and that can be very necessary on occasions.
Good question!
thanx Solar: you are a respected player in my book, always look forward to flying with ya! and against ya.
you do fly the mossie very well, I just dont understand why? to dogfight with? I do understand it has a place, but I would get sick of being in that plane in the MAs when most are in spits, las, Hurris :D and such.
ether way,I :salute you!!!
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:rofl .. So in your book only yank and bank is ACM?
BnZ includes just as much ACM, unless you understand BnZ as someting like extending out of icon range. BnZ just includes in addition keepeing ones alt and/or energy, which is essential while flying a plane which is not very nimble.
IMO, anyone can yank and bank and die, but not many can BnZ and land their kills.... especially at good hunting grounds, where there are more enemies than friendlies ;)
I rather land 2 perfectly bounced kills than engage in a low furball to get 5 kills and die after that. But that's just me :)
I agree completely if you do it in a 109E (or even an F) in the LWA. Almost all the people I see are utilizing a 109K, pony, tiffie, 190D etc...
now this is in no way aimed at you. We've had a bunch of great fights and I have nothing for respect for your skills (and your actually a fine "dogfighter"). I simply dont see the argument that engaging in a superior plane from a superior position is a challenge. I dont even consider it a challenge in an SBD, basically anything under me is dead a large % of the time regardless of what they are in....
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Humble,
you are likely mixing me with some other. I pretty much suck at "dog fighting" and usually do it only when I get cornered... just trying to survive and disengage while causing max damage if opportunities present themselves. = desperate brawling
I mostly fly 109G-14 or 109G-2 (both with gunpods). They are hardly very good dogfighters :) but I cannot hit much with just one cannon.
IMHO engaging with a superior plane from a superior position against numerically superior enemy can often be a nice enough challenge, at least to me. Trying to hit something and still manage my SA in multiple bandits environment is work enough.
However, if there are more friendlies than enemies and all enemies are already at low and being chased by several friendlies, I stay higher and keep on flying towards the enemy bases.