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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: seano on December 13, 2008, 02:28:58 AM
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makes for more accurate realism.
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It only accuarately makes for simulating legally blind fighter pilots.
Our screens have a far lesser resolution than real-life eyesight and absolutely no stereoscopic vision.
No thank you. But feel free to use alt-i to show friendly icons only, if you want to.
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I agree with Lusche on this one... it would also reward those that have better computers that can spot the a/c a bit sooner.
I enjoy a little realism in my fantasy, but I think this is a bit too much.
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Press Alt+I twice and enjoy realism
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Yeah..... and then Kill-shoot your eye out!!! :rofl It'll be fun for 4.3 seconds.
Press Alt+I twice and enjoy realism
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Yeah..... and then Kill-shoot your eye out!!! :rofl It'll be fun for 4.3 seconds.
After pressing Alt-I twice you are not more prone to killshoot yourself as before... just don't shoot at green icons.
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Friendly is three times no? You can see how often I use it. DOH
After pressing Alt-I twice you are not more prone to killshoot yourself as before... just don't shoot at green icons.
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In AH we were flying in perfect glass air. So, 'legally handicapped pilots' is like 'WAAAA! MY ICONS!!!!'
Please, bring a LOT more options for the scenario CM's and h2h hosts concern the arena/room ICON options. This would really improve the variance for the people who are tired to the regular MA-fast food.
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Back then the Finnish squads were having fun while beta testing the Kanttori's & Blauk's scenario terrains in h2h without icos or friendly icons only.
It was huge blast. You learned fast to ID the enemy planes and pay attention to you wingman / patrol.
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In AH we were flying in perfect glass air. So, 'legally handicapped pilots' is like 'WAAAA! MY ICONS!!!!'
Sorry to be so harsh... but that's utter nonsense. :P
In the so praised real real life, I have no problem identifying a plane at 2K or determining it's heading
In AH with no icons, it's just a few pixels. Compare the resolution of the human eye to the crappy resolution an ordinary 19" screen provides.
And lacking stereoscopic view (which may be even the biggest drawback), I can't neither judge distance nor closure rate even remotely close to my RL capability, which isn't stellar in the first place. Lacking better resolution and 3D display, I'm reduced to a one-eyed extremely nearsighted pilot.
Actually icons make fighting more realistic in some way, giving us a workaround and providing us information that would be obvious in RL.
Anyone looking for the ultra but nonrealistic challenge in the MA can do it if he wishes. But as an MA arena setting, it's garbage.
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Those pushing "no icons" as a realistic measure should ask themselves if they would bet money on being able to identify the a/c in the upper right hand corner and guess within plus or minus 200 yards it's range.
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/aee459e014b2ba4eb7e378abbe4a63d16g.jpg)
If not, then we must reconsider any supposed "realism" of such a measure. I will post the "answer" picture later.
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Oh come on bro, make it a tough one, this is easy.............. That is the perked 5-Pixel version of the 3-Pixel. :rock
Those pushing "no icons" as a realistic measure should ask themselves if they would bet money on being able to identify the a/c in the upper right hand corner and guess within plus or minus 200 yards it's range.
Distance wise though.......... You look a little above 10-12k and the Pixel is at about 1k
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Oh come on bro, make it a tough one, this is easy.............. That is the perked 5-Pixel version of the 3-Pixel. :rock
Distance wise though.......... You look a little above 10-12k and the Pixel is at about 1k
Just to be clear, you are guessing that the separation between the two aircraft is around ~8,000-10,000 feet?
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As I said:
"Please, bring a LOT more options for the scenario CM's and h2h hosts concern the arena/room ICON options. This would really improve the variance for the people who are tired to the regular MA-fast food."
People just are lacking the guts.... IE "WAAAA! MY ICONS!!!"
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The point is that getting rid of icons entirely is NOT a realism enhancing-option, or an option that in anyway makes the game more fun. So it is kind of pointless. It would in fact make the amount of information that can be gleaned at a glance far less than what a real pilot is capable of.
So, any takers on the pic? What is the plane type, range, is it heading towards or away?
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That sounds good to me sir, yes! :salute
Just to be clear, you are guessing that the separation between the two aircraft is around ~8,000-10,000 feet?
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BTW you 'I'm so realism top notch' fanatics,
How is the engine torque?
How is engine / fuel management
How is the pilot fatigue?
How is the flight distances?
How is the issue xxx in yyy?
... What?
The more ICON options for the scenario CM's / h2h host wont really hurt your MA-playeing, eh?
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If you want to realistically simulate a blind pilot, then turn off icons.
I think the game has it about right. 6k out seems to be about the range where you'd be able to start to distinguish between various plane types if you were actually flying.
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People just are lacking the guts.... IE "WAAAA! MY ICONS!!!"
"Lacking guts" ? ? ? ohhh.. I see.. its the famous "real men" internet thingy... :rofl
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"Lacking guts" ? ? ? ohhh.. I see.. its the famous "real men" internet thingy... :rofl
It's not my problem if you can't a deal a two side map with limited planes skins... Very challenging...
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Do you think anybody is going to understand what you just said?
It's not my problem if you can't a deal a two side map with limited planes skins... Very challenging...
Quick....... hit MODIFY and fix that terrible English.
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Do you think anybody is going to understand what you just said?
Quick....... hit MODIFY and fix that terrible English.
Easy for you:
What you are thinking about the idea, were CM's and h2h hosts will have a unlimited ICON options?
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Those pushing "no icons" as a realistic measure should ask themselves if they would bet money on being able to identify the a/c in the upper right hand corner and guess within plus or minus 200 yards it's range.
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/aee459e014b2ba4eb7e378abbe4a63d16g.jpg)
If not, then we must reconsider any supposed "realism" of such a measure. I will post the "answer" picture later.
My guess is a P-38,or at least a twin engine model aircraft,but I do belive a 38,and about 1.5 out...
FALCON23 :salute
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Aww geez Skipper, that means I am way off.
My guess is a P-38,or at least a twin engine model aircraft,but I do belive a 38,and about 1.5 out...
FALCON23 :salute
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makes for more accurate realism.
u can turn it off if u want...How would u no who was who with all the mixed planes :noid I guess u can turn friendly only on but that wouldn't be to real either :O
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Looks to be about 1.5k or slightly more and a 109 varient of some sort....
Edit: This depends on theater tho.....PT I would say a Niki or Ki and ET would be the 109.
Steel
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Easy for you:
What you are thinking about the idea, were CM's and h2h hosts will have a unlimited ICON options?
The big month LLogann has a problem to with reading or are you too shame to enlighten the AH board?
(changed the 'of' to 'or' )
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It is a 109 K-4 at -800, pointed more or less directly at you.
Steel was luckiest, but his distance was still way off and he couldn't say for certain whether it was the inline-engine 109 or radial-engine Ki/N1K. That means for all intents and purposes it would be impossible to tell whether or not it was a 109 or 190 also.
I think this neatly sums up the point that what no icons simulates is flying with pilots who couldn't see well enough to get a driver's license.
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Again........... Huh? And btw... There is no "of" dude. So you mean change the "or" to "of".......
The big month LLogann has a problem to with reading or are you too shame to enlighten the AH board?
(changed the 'of' to 'or' )
And this isnt my big month but thanks for cheering for me!!!
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It is a 109 K-4 at -800, pointed more or less directly at you.
Steel was luckiest, but his distance was still way off and he couldn't say for certain whether it was the inline-engine 109 or radial-engine Ki/N1K. That means for all intents and purposes it would be impossible to tell whether or not it was a 109 or 190 also.
I think this neatly sums up the point that what no icons simulates is flying with pilots who couldn't see well enough to get a driver's license.
I think you can tell 190 from a 109 by the wing length but thats not the best issue. The really telling part is that it took me about five minutes to form an opinion. Thats about 4:59 to long in the real world. To be honest I even cheated a little by looking at the top for the mission orders. I figured it was likely to be a realistic match up that would have saw action in WW2. The match up for a ET setup was likely to be a 109 or 190. I do honestly think gave the wing span gave me the most logical answer tho. If I had seen the film you could have picked heading and closure rate fairly effectively too. That screen shot is more of a reasoning test with certain clues. If that had been shot in the MA I would have really guessing.
Steel
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this problem is easy as heck just press alt f4 and all of your wishes will be granted.....
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This wouldnt really work. Not only is a pilot legaly blind if he has icons off, he is even worse than that if he has em off and is running 1024x resolution or less. There would be an artificial handicap unevenly distributed according to what resolution people are playing. Refresh rate also means a lot to having realistic IDing time.
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And lacking stereoscopic view (which may be even the biggest drawback), I can't neither judge distance nor closure rate even remotely close to my RL capability, which isn't stellar in the first place. Lacking better resolution and 3D display, I'm reduced to a one-eyed extremely nearsighted pilot.
Actually, stereoscopic view not a factor here at all. It works at very limited range, something like dozens of meters only, afaik. Anything further is flat for our eyes, hundreds of meters just out of question.
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Actually, stereoscopic view not a factor here at all. It works at very limited range, something like dozens of meters only, afaik. Anything further is flat for our eyes, hundreds of meters just out of question.
Agreed. The issue is the range at which simple things like aircraft facing can be identified, let alone aircraft type.
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In the AvA arena, you might be able to get away with only friendly icons on, since you know how many different enemy plane types you would have to identify. You would have to leave friendlies on to communicate though.
I fly offline missions sometimes with icons totally off and it's kinda fun since you know what your up against, and you don't have to communicate with friendlies.
I tried playing with only friendly icons on in the MA, but it wasn't fun, since there are way to many enemy planes to identify, but maybe for a little more realism, get rid of the distance icon once an enemy is under 600, or 400.
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I could see alot of unoffical revenge killings (well, self killing but with virtual murder intentions) among teammates in the game if AH ever did this :uhoh
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As I said:
"Please, bring a LOT more options for the scenario CM's and h2h hosts concern the arena/room ICON options. This would really improve the variance for the people who are tired to the regular MA-fast food."
People just are lacking the guts.... IE "WAAAA! MY ICONS!!!"
I don't see anyone stopping YOU from turning off icons Internet Tough guy...feel free.
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I DO agree with CMs being able to turn icons off in special events
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Sorry to be so harsh... but that's utter nonsense. :P
In the so praised real real life, I have no problem identifying a plane at 2K or determining it's heading
In AH with no icons, it's just a few pixels. Compare the resolution of the human eye to the crappy resolution an ordinary 19" screen provides.
And lacking stereoscopic view (which may be even the biggest drawback), I can't neither judge distance nor closure rate even remotely close to my RL capability, which isn't stellar in the first place. Lacking better resolution and 3D display, I'm reduced to a one-eyed extremely nearsighted pilot.
Actually icons make fighting more realistic in some way, giving us a workaround and providing us information that would be obvious in RL.
Anyone looking for the ultra but nonrealistic challenge in the MA can do it if he wishes. But as an MA arena setting, it's garbage.
I agree, I have plenty of hours logged in a 172 and a 183, and in RL, I'm able to spot a plane (unless it's in a REALLY bad spot, in which case it's usually "Report trafic in sight" at unbelivable levels in my Headset :D) but in AHII, the resolution, screen refresh rate (usually set at 60 Hz if I'm not mistaken), PLUS, except in AvA arena, it's a mix of allies planes and axis planes, so, even if you DID spot a plane, you have no way of determining if it's friendly or not. So, imo, crazily stupid idea.
So maybe, we should have fighting styles set per-plane as it was used in RL? HO in a zero/KI etc... :aok
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this problem is easy as heck just press alt f4 and all of your wishes will be granted.....
I don't see anyone stopping YOU from turning off icons Internet Tough guy...feel free.
:rofl
ALT "I", its cool that HTC gives you the option as well as others isnt it....... :D
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Hi all,
I have been flying with no enemy icons for around six months at least.
My main motivation was skill level. In my opinion all those red neon signs around make the game far too easy ..after 9 years, I was over it.
So I bit the bullet and havnt looked back.
You regularly get bounced.
You have to check you 6.
Rely on your fellow flyers to communicate the situation
Spot ground vehicles by their fire or dust tracks/movement
Learn to identify aircraft sillouetts / Closely watch enemy aircraft as they fly past.
Observe the performance and flying style of an aircraft or paint job to learn which model/varient you are fighting.
Over time, you get a better feel for energy states and distances, you dont need a meter counting down closure rates. You can actually visually descern it, after a while.
There is less firing at long ranges, and more use of the gunsights when firing.
I have a 22 inch monitor with a GF8800-320 at 4xAA.
This is my experience, I recommend all to try it.
Have a look at these videos:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ndyhbmdy4j2
http://www.mediafire.com/?2l00i5ntj3e
http://www.mediafire.com/?zdj3yuj0djy
http://www.mediafire.com/?li3ztmobliv
http://www.mediafire.com/?rn3mjk0imtx
http://www.mediafire.com/?ewj1ygz2nf4