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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: humble on December 13, 2008, 04:02:47 PM
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I'm a bit curious what the overall consensus is here. Probably becuase I find myself becoming ruder and more snippy as time goes on. Earlier today I found myself over an enemy base at 12k or so in a 202. I encountered an F6F there a bit higher who I'd assume was waiting...he dove in and quickly ended up going down to the ack to join a lower hurricane...both of which stayed in town ack more or less...a 110 came in low and hot and tried to pop up on me...he was aggressive and pushed the 110 pretty well....I put some rounds in but no real damage...anyway I played tag with the 3 for a bit. At some point the F6F left and landed and a Ki-61 rolled soon after. I played with the 110/hurri while the ki climbed and then switched off once he was roughly co-alt. A very very good climbing fight ensued and continued for a good while. A yak took off and climbed up to the fight so I had to finally break off. The Ki got a very big <<S>> for a great job but didnt respond at all. I told him over 200 that I was gonna extend a bit because of the yak. Really looking to see what he would do...eventually the Yak forced a fight on me and while he was relatively easy to avoid he created a lot of issues vs the Ki-61 since he took any ability I had to force the fight up away. to make a long story short the Ki popped a flap and eventually my continuing to avoid the spud launcher let the Ki saddle up...at which point I get a <S> from the Ki driver...
I asked him point blank what I was saluting? To me a <S> is a sign of respect, nothing more...nothing less. How am I supposed to respect someone under those circumstances? I'm curious what the overall thoughts are here....
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There are some that over-use the salute, that much is for sure.....
But it could be all kinds of reasons. Perhaps just a young person who has <S> fever, or maybe it was a sarcastic <S>....... (Which rarely translates well)
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There are some that over-use the salute, that much is for sure.....
But it could be all kinds of reasons. Perhaps just a young person who has <S> fever, or maybe it was a sarcastic <S>....... (Which rarely translates well)
Sure it does. Like this.......
<FINGER> Llogan
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hahahaha :aok But then the Mods give you a timeout VM................ And I hate those!!!
Sure it does. Like this.......
<FINGER> Llogan
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So let me get this straight . . .
You fought well in a 2v1 . . .
One of the 2 finally gets you . . .
He throws you a salute for doing well vs. poor odds . . .
And you come in here to biotch about it?
Dude, get a grip. Accept it for what it was. If you want to be a jerk and not return the salute, that is your choice. To come here and whine about it quite frankly shows you to be a rather petty and insecure person.
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So let me get this straight . . .
You fought well in a 2v1 . . .
One of the 2 finally gets you . . .
He throws you a salute for doing well vs. poor odds . . .
And you come in here to biotch about it?
Dude, get a grip. Accept it for what it was. If you want to be a jerk and not return the salute, that is your choice. To come here and whine about it quite frankly shows you to be a rather petty and insecure person.
:rofl
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I'm with E25280 on this one.
Might be that the person who gave you the salute did indeed respect your ability to hold off multiple cons, and to make a good fight of it.
A salute for a fight well fought would be a show of respect. Would it not?
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well first off when you <<S>> the KI the first time he may not have been able to type because he was flying near an enemy (you). every time i fly/fight and type at the same time I'm quickly heading for a dirt Knapp. or he may not have realized you were talking to him as you probably didn't use his name when you <<S>> him, seeing how you were both still in the air you couldn't have known who he was yet.
when he <S> after the fight he was giving his respects to "your" skill and "your" ability for lasting as long as you did being out numbered and against better planes. he obviously didn't say <S> "me" for killing you. he also gave you his respect for the fun of the encouter, even if he had numbers and a/c advantage you put him through a rough ride and his hands were probably still shaking after the fight was over.
even you stated it was a very very good fight before the yak interupted. well humble think of how much experience you have compared to most players today. what to you would feel was a "very very good fight" to me (or another without your time and experience) would feel like we had just fought off the entire arena by ourselves. our excitement and adrenaline levels would be through the roof. try to remember/imagine the last time you felt that way about a fight.
his <S> was for your skill your ability and most importantly for the fun of the fight. did you have fun? did he show skill or ability during the fight? if you did then he deserves your respect as a cartoon pilot. if you did not, then he deserves your courtesy as an experienced and accomplished pilot and member of this community.
if you couldn't bring yourself to <S> him then be polite and thank him for his <S> to you. your berating him for the <S> may actually discourage him from bothering to be polite or show respect to others in the future.
FLOTSOM
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Interesting comments...
I'm certainly not "whining" or "biotching". What I find interesting is the comment on "being a jerk" for not returning the salute. Anyone who knows me wouldn't call me petty or insecure...I'm far from it. And as stated above I gave him a <S> earlier for the initial engagement. So in the 1 on 1 I complimented him...
Now to me once he uses the 2nd plane he basically forfeits any recognition for the pelt. So I can say "TY" I guess or ignore him or ask him...
I guess its a state of the game thing. Way back when I started playing with the big boys a <S> meant everything. Getting a recognition from the top sticks was an important measuring stick. It was also a way of nurturing "the code" and if you gave out a <S> improperly you didnt get silence or a lame uncalled for <S> with someone biting there tongue...you got a dressing down on text and you got your butt ganged for a week if needed.
Now what I regret is not getting a chance to finish what was shaping up to be a great fight. Win or lose would have been great either way. Contrast that earlier when Alpha81 not only stayed out of a fight but went out of his way on range to let me know (A fight I lost BTW and gave a well earned <S> to the victor).
So I guees the simple reality is that if I give you a <S> I mean it and you earned it :aok
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Actually this was an old hand and a fine stick who is every bit my equal....
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Dam, I used to salute ammo bunkers, troop barracks and the like when I'd go up against em. They all put up a great fight.
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meh... i've never bought into the whole in-game faux <S> thing. I'll either say "fun" or toss out a smiley if someone "earned" something, which isn't too often anyway...
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I don't see salutes as being about any sort of man-code, and I don't remember them being like that in Warbirds either. To me a <S> means "that was fun," or "nice shot," or "thanks for being a good sport," etc.
The only time I can remember not returning a <S> was when I dove on a N1K that turned into my face and successfully HO'd me (we were over the water and I couldn't distinguish the aspect until it was too late). I don't know why he thought that was worth a <S>, unless he was trolling and wanted me to react.
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meh... i've never bought into the whole in-game faux <S> thing. I'll either say "fun" or toss out a smiley if someone "earned" something, which isn't too often anyway...
Hehe thats not quite an accurate statement. Oopsey wasnt all that much different then 1000 others caught between wanting and knowing. You used to @#$% with the best of them in the beginning. In fact I think your a poster child for the old school way of doing things. you went from being a guy I could wax with the ACM I forgot to being a guy I couldnt beat with a roadmap and a 2 x 4 over a few years. you took the time and you got the knowledge...and anyone who knows you knows you gladly pass it along ot anyone who earns just a smidgen of respect from you.
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Actually this was an old hand and a fine stick who is every bit my equal....
well if he has your experience and seat time then;
1 he should know how it goes in the LWA and you should have yelled screamed and called him nasty names all while challenging him to go to the DA!
2 or you could have re-upped and head back towards the base telling him by pm that your one on one with him was fun and that you are in rout back. invite him to meet you in the middle so you can finish your fight without interruption.
as a player and member of the community which response would you want to see become the common method of behavior in the arena's? remember you are a well known long time player, your name carries a little weight and leaves an impression on those who are newer and less experienced and see you on 200.
long time players unrelentingly biotch and complain about the disrespectful and mouthy attitudes of newer players who vocalize their griefs and attack opponents verbally on 200, but those very same long terms players refuse to realize that most of those newer players are following the example set by the long time players.
it will be the noob that watched you snub the <S> of the KI pilot and further berate him about the <S> he sent you, that will be the guy who next month drives you crazy because you skillfully shot him down but he wont stop running his mouth to you on 200 or by pm for killing him.
FLOTSOM
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I <S> alot. Sometimes when I enter an arena I'll say <S> whats up to whoever. After a fight if a guy salutes me I return it. Even if it was cheezy. I usually only initate a post combat salute though if he fought a good fight without looking for horsepower or headons to get him thru it.
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What I find interesting is the comment on "being a jerk" for not returning the salute.
Way back when I started playing with the big boys a <S> meant everything. Getting a recognition from the top sticks was an important measuring stick. It was also a way of nurturing "the code" and if you gave out a <S> improperly you didnt get silence or a lame uncalled for <S> with someone biting there tongue...you got a dressing down on text and you got your butt ganged for a week if needed.
Wow, so someone needs to be something special to have the "privilege" of giving a salute? What a bunch of arrogant, elitist drivel. :rofl
A salute to most is a simple and short way of saying any combination of "good fight", "I had fun", "you did well", "congrats for pwning me", "nice moves", etc. etc.
If someone doesn't return a salute, fine, he may not have seen it, no big deal.
When someone salutes back or says "thanks", they are doing at least the polite and respectful thing, which is acknowledging the sign of respect someone has just given them.
To throw it back in his face like you said you did in your original post? Yes, compete jerkdom.
You might as well have slapped a stranger's hand away when he offered it in greeting. Or after a football game told the opposing team "you suck" instead of "good game." Very poor sportsmanship, indeed.
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I suppose I'm the opposite end of the spectrum from the old school guys.
I salute virtually anyone I shot down if there's any sort of fight involved at all. I salute a flight of bombers I take down if the guy shot back and didn't start dogfighting them or bomb and bail. I saluted Coronado the other night for winging my A-20 in a flak, and some dude in MW that was collecting kills in the CVs puffy guns.
Handing out a salute for even a mediocre fight simply expresses, for me, that it's just a game and I enjoyed the match up.
One thing I do in particular is salute guys that fight heavily outnumbered. We've all been there, the third guy chasing around some spit 9 or A6M that just wouldn't get pinned down. I always throw out a salute. Alot of times folks get bent out of shape about the gang. However, brilliant flying isn't just confined to the times you landed kills. Sometimes a beautiful defensive flight against the gang is awesome to watch and shows a ton of skill in its own right.
Usually it results in some snappy comeback, but I don't care- the guy deserves a salute whether he wants it or not.
Anyway, that's just my take. I try to foster sportsmanship as much as I can in the arenas.
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One thing I do in particular is salute guys that fight heavily outnumbered. We've all been there, the third guy chasing around some spit 9 or A6M that just wouldn't get pinned down. I always throw out a salute. Alot of times folks get bent out of shape about the gang.
I got a <S> a couple of days ago from a BBs member after losing in a 3 on 1. I didn't return it as I was already typing and posting my whine about being ganged. I felt kind of bad afterward for not returning the <S>. I was just frustrated.
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The KI was returning the salute you gave him. Nothing more required after that. :salute
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I have a tendancy to <S> anyone that gives a good fight. I especially salute someone who stays and fights in multiple on one.
Now I don't usually enter into a fight that is already going on unless I am asked to help out by a friendly. The salute in these cases is a sign of respect and an at-a-boy or fight well given. This is what I am going to say was going on with your example Humble. I do it all the time and honestly get a little aggrevated when the preson that I salute gives me some barating on 200 about ganging and being skillless tardlet or whatever other comments they choose to make.
My advice, don't take it so personal, just say thanks or return salute and move on to next fight.
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Salutes are waaaaay over used....'specially by newbies. Heck, seen guys salute me while whining about me thumping them (like that somehow makes the insult more palatable :rolleyes:). It's a sign of respect and/or recognition for accomplishing something special.....well....it used to be anyway. :salute
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Saluting, unlike talking is really a visual thing. If you are talking, how you say something is as important as what you say.
Saluting from a keyboard only lets the person doing the initial salute know the true intent of the salute and a response may or may not be in order from the recipient and would only be done based on his feelings of the intent of the salute.
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meh... i've never bought into the whole in-game faux <S> thing. I'll either say "fun" or toss out a smiley if someone "earned" something, which isn't too often anyway...
I'm with Shane on this one. It's always seemed a bit over the top to me, since the AW days. Nice flying, nice shot or something similar is what I usually say. I can't help but note I'm sitting at my computer, a bit over the hill, and hardly a "Knight of the air" who has just risked my life in mortal combat.
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As in life I tend to try and be friendly and generous (never been to hard on people "earning" my respect, civility etc---prefer to give it openly and let the person lose it if they are undeserving). So, I <S> good efforts---i.e., someone dies or kills me with some skill. I assume there is no need to explain <S>'s amongst in game friends. I think some people use a <S> to identify themselves as having killed a top stick. I did kill a top stick after he dropped ord on a jabo---he had no escape (cause of cliffs on Trinity map) and I killed him. I sent him a PM (only he could read <S>) admitting that the kill "doesn't count" because we did not fight really. Hehe, no reply. I do sometimes get ticked not to get a <S> when I have done something that desrves one. I shot down two ponies in a P-40E---just them against me merging with me having a slight alt advantage. After much maneuvering (much of it me breaking off a drag situation)---I got one on a deflection---ammoless I killed the other with a hard decelerating barrel roll, followed by flaps assisted scissors such that he simply stalled into the ocean. Complex fight---they did good things, so did I, thought they would <S> when I landed the kills---nope---no biggee.
Okay a rambling 2 cents---sorry.
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Maybe he was hit in the head with a golf ball...... happens alot to KI drivers I hear.....
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I guess Im old school. I rarely give a salute out unless it was something special like a really well flown fight. If I had been the KI I would have asked the yak to stay out. If he couldn't do that, I would have pulled out of the fight and typed out a message to the 202 that I was out, and told him it was a good fight., most likely spotting and returning Snaps salute.
To many quake style players going for their name in lights or on the scoreboard, again, the old days was about the fight. You were honest with yourself as well as everyone else. I've shot down Snap a number of times, but I wouldn't expect a salute for any of them. In most cases I was one of 2,3, or more that was in on him or any other number of people, I was just the guy who got the most hits on him. The one fight I may have "earned" the salute I got cherry picked by a nik after Snap and I had gotten from 8k to the deck in hogs. So I didn't get it again.
To me that Salute would have meant something seeing as I consider Snap a pretty good stick, as well as a number of other people I'd like to kill. But, like I said, I'm old school. I'm here for the fun and trill of the fight...... the occasional lightly used sheep is a plus :D
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It could be a lot of things.. I wouldnt take it personaly, Humble. If you play fair, that should be enough to have a clear conscience. If the other guy falls short of that standard, it's his problem :)
oh and <S> :D
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A salute to most is a simple and short way of saying any combination of "good fight", "I had fun", "you did well", "congrats for pwning me", "nice moves", etc. etc.
If someone doesn't return a salute, fine, he may not have seen it, no big deal.
When someone salutes back or says "thanks", they are doing at least the polite and respectful thing, which is acknowledging the sign of respect someone has just given them.
I agree with these sentiments. And, hey, I'm pretty old school myself.
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Wow, so someone needs to be something special to have the "privilege" of giving a salute? What a bunch of arrogant, elitist drivel. :rofl
A salute to most is a simple and short way of saying any combination of "good fight", "I had fun", "you did well", "congrats for pwning me", "nice moves", etc. etc.
If someone doesn't return a salute, fine, he may not have seen it, no big deal.
When someone salutes back or says "thanks", they are doing at least the polite and respectful thing, which is acknowledging the sign of respect someone has just given them.
To throw it back in his face like you said you did in your original post? Yes, compete jerkdom.
You might as well have slapped a stranger's hand away when he offered it in greeting. Or after a football game told the opposing team "you suck" instead of "good game." Very poor sportsmanship, indeed.
i disagree, during a game, you gonna be sour player, i wont give you any respect. your metaphor about the football game. the team played dirty, im not gonna go through and say "good game" im gonna go through and say nothign at all, or tell em how i feel;same thing here. you give me a cheesy fight (a HO, a gang, someone else comin into the fight 1:30seconds in, etc etc) i wont salute you. just how i feel. people may play game for fun, and i understand, i try and do that to best of my ability, but there comes a time i feel, were the fun needs to end, and some sort of seriousness needs to be taken. what im tryin to say if thats not clear is, the games fun, but if your gonna give me poor fight, imma tell you how i feel. hate me if you want to, love me if you can.
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'Takes two to tango'.
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To me that Salute would have meant something seeing as I consider Snap a pretty good stick, as well as a number of other people I'd like to kill. But, like I said, I'm old school. I'm here for the fun and trill of the fight...... the occasional lightly used sheep is a plus :D
oohhh you foolish foolish naive you!!! to think you almost had me believing the line of perpetuded poop you so vigorously espoused upon us poor unwitting saps of the cartoon airways!!!!
you had me going ill give you that, yes yes you sure did have this fish by the gills you did sir! and will salute you for your efforts <<SALUTE>> for they were mighty efforts indeed!
but sir, you failed yourself when you took your fable just that touch too far!
you confessed your sinful misguiding of the truth by stepping just to far into the realm of fantasy for any man of reasonable intelligence to follow! it was a road of darkness and deceit that could only give your malicious abuses of the truth away for the evils that they surely were!
For you to put forth into this honorable and noble discussion the statement, and i quote you sir, "the occasional lightly used sheep is a plus" is purely and painfully so apparently an abuse of the truth that you must be denounced as fabricator of fibbery!
SIR i denounce and condemn you sir!
everyone knows as a course of fact that the "sheep", as you so quaintly and cunningly have called them, are not what any man of moral standing would call "lightly used!"
any man of moral standing would do no less than name those creatures of ill-repute by the only name they could be called, that being the "shaggy harlots squaddies"!
furthermore to imply by your statement that these beasts, of wilful wiles, were of any resemblance to pure and wholesome in their merely slightly used manner is painfully laughable! why you sir know these decrepit creatures to have had more miles of tread put on them than the German autobahn during the allied invasion! especially when you yourself carry the knowledge that you have paid enough tolls upon those wretched roads to pay for the building of your own bridge!!
to even utter in jest anything different is pure adulteration and misfabrication of the gods good truth!
you sick man, i denounce you as a fibber!
FLOTSOM
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Dam, I used to salute ammo bunkers, troop barracks and the like when I'd go up against em. They all put up a great fight.
:rofl they get everyone once in awhile. :aok
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RULE#1 I never salute unless saluted first, unless I respected the pilots skills....
RULE#2 I would never salute a a picking or ganging pilot ... Unless I was saluted for great flying against the odds...
RULE#3 A Salute is a sign of respect that needs to be earned....
RULE #4 If I do not salute you that's because you are a chump and you have not yet earned it :rock
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It was also a way of nurturing "the code" and if you gave out a <S> improperly you didnt get silence or a lame uncalled for <S> with someone biting there tongue...you got a dressing down on text and you got your butt ganged for a week if needed.
Sounds like fun. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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EW, MW, and DA, first thing I do is squelch Ch 1. It's 200 I'm "forced" to endure otherwise. No Ch.1 = No <S> either.
Just a thought.
wrongway
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Heres another angle,...Take a guy like me, I truely never had ch 200 tuned for about 4 yrs, I never spoke to the enemy,... and being a former marine, it took a while to <S> someone that just kilt me. I didnt discover the bb for a few yrs, I just wanted to fly n try to kill the red guys,. I didnt care what the comments from the enmy were. :O Looking back, it wasnt a bad idea,......- when ya get sick of ALL text, break out the ducttape, put it over the textbox, and enjoy what ya do. I've done that too. :t
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I use it as a way to say good fight or a sign of respect to someone. Iv got HOed, picked, ganged, etc. by people that gave one and then cried about not getting one back. IMO if you want one you need to earn it first.
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sometimes I get so wasted I have no idea who I <S> or why, then I probably pm some poorly typed gibberish that just makes me look like an idiot...after all of that...I think to myself "well done Lagger, you got your point across"
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I use it as a way to say good fight or a sign of respect to someone. Iv got HOed, picked, ganged, etc. by people that gave one and then cried about not getting one back. IMO if you want one you need to earn it first.
You took the words outta my mouth. Now give 'em back to me :D
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The one fingered salute is my favorite :t
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With that <S> comes some respect, like it or not. Your choice to accept it or deny it.
But you can hardly fault him for sending it.
Personally I often send a <S> to someone who didn't really "earn" it.
If they earned it they get a "great fight" or "Nice Evasive" or "Awesome shot" along with the <S>.
If they didn't, they just get the <S>, which hopefully takes some of the sting out of dieing.
If they killed me I expect them to do the same for me. <S> or not, comment or not, his choice.
As such I really don't see what your upset about Humble.
Respect, sent, or received, is still respect, accept it or not.
But I don't see a reason to complain about it.
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oohhh you foolish foolish naive you!!! to think you almost had me believing the line of perpetuded poop you so vigorously espoused upon us poor unwitting saps of the cartoon airways!!!!
you had me going ill give you that, yes yes you sure did have this fish by the gills you did sir! and will salute you for your efforts <<SALUTE>> for they were mighty efforts indeed!
but sir, you failed yourself when you took your fable just that touch too far!
you confessed your sinful misguiding of the truth by stepping just to far into the realm of fantasy for any man of reasonable intelligence to follow! it was a road of darkness and deceit that could only give your malicious abuses of the truth away for the evils that they surely were!
For you to put forth into this honorable and noble discussion the statement, and i quote you sir, "the occasional lightly used sheep is a plus" is purely and painfully so apparently an abuse of the truth that you must be denounced as fabricator of fibbery!
SIR i denounce and condemn you sir!
everyone knows as a course of fact that the "sheep", as you so quaintly and cunningly have called them, are not what any man of moral standing would call "lightly used!"
any man of moral standing would do no less than name those creatures of ill-repute by the only name they could be called, that being the "shaggy harlots squaddies"!
furthermore to imply by your statement that these beasts, of wilful wiles, were of any resemblance to pure and wholesome in their merely slightly used manner is painfully laughable! why you sir know these decrepit creatures to have had more miles of tread put on them than the German autobahn during the allied invasion! especially when you yourself carry the knowledge that you have paid enough tolls upon those wretched roads to pay for the building of your own bridge!!
to even utter in jest anything different is pure adulteration and misfabrication of the gods good truth!
you sick man, i denounce you as a fibber!
FLOTSOM
Flotsom, what do you do for a living? I hope it's something creative that makes use of your writing talent. That was a pleasure. :aok
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when ya get sick of ALL text, break out the ducttape, put it over the textbox, and enjoy what ya do.
Excellent advice.
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Maybe the Ki was impressed on how you held them off, maybe you gave him a good fight, maybe he was just trying to be respectful.
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<<S>>
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Salutes are waaaaay over used....'specially by newbies. Heck, seen guys salute me while whining about me thumping them (like that somehow makes the insult more palatable :rolleyes:). It's a sign of respect and/or recognition for accomplishing something special.....well....it used to be anyway. :salute
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Flotsom, what do you do for a living? I hope it's something creative that makes use of your writing talent. That was a pleasure. :aok
Thanx Anaxogoras, i was hoping some would find the funny in it. <S>
unfortunately my skill and whit with the written word is intermitten and twisted at best. i wish i could rely on it to make a living, but that is just not the way of the world. so i will stick with towing.
FLOTSOM
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I give out <S> to those that deserve it, allthough if I get a <S> from someone who was in the Gang, I will return the <S>,
to me, it is a sign of respect, what I think is funny are the ones who wont <S> because of a particular plane you are flying,
does not matter how you fly it but that you fly that particular plane, for instance I got nto a great fight with a 109(I think K), it was a good fght, no HOs, and the 109 did not run, I was in my Hurri, after the fight, I <S>ed him for a great fight even though I was in the better turning plane he fought hard and made me work for my kill, I thought he deserved a <S>,well I got no <S> back, I asked him how come? He replies, I dont <S> Hurri drivers! :rofl, to me thats just pathatic, but its all good thats just one more name I will never <S> again.
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You took the words outta my mouth. Now give 'em back to me :D
NO, they're mine!
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Seriously, I understand humble's side , of being
Way back when I started playing with the big boys a <S> meant everything. Getting a recognition from the top sticks was an important measuring stick. It was also a way of nurturing "the code" and if you gave out a <S> improperly you didnt get silence or a lame uncalled for <S> with someone biting there tongue...you got a dressing down on text and you got your butt ganged for a week if needed.
and I second NB's thoughts.or the fact of what it used to mean if a <S>, SALUTE, ~S~ was given out.........
us "old rawhides" can easily pick up on how others are feeling, pick up on their mind set, and current feelings by the way they respond to humble's 1st post.......I did not see humble posting a "whine" or "I am completely upset because the way a guy <S> me, after the fact!"
I see humble posting a topic to get a general consensus of the current state of the game and how people view the topic in their own mindset....
I always find it humorous , as even humble noted of Oopsy/Shane with his old ways verses his new ways since he changed to Shane from Oopsy and started flying Az from Cz nearer the end of AW and as Shane fulltime in Aces High........
I guess that is where SkyRock got his nurturing :devil (<--pun intended ribbin )
just another sign of the changing of ways as time grows on us all......
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Try this: next time a noob starts firing at you from 2k out, toy with him awhile before you kill him. Throw him a big <SALUTE> 243745223 tell him that he almost got ya, and he'll keep coming back for more. :D Let the score padding begin ;) :lol
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1st and foremost I genuinely appreciate the various comments. The candor and logic of various points of view is well represented....
To clarify I was not upset or angry, either at the time of the fight, when I started this thread or now. I think if anything I had a sense of loss at the time. This was a wonderful fight vs a skilled opponent. If I had been in a plane with better pop or vs someone who'd shown me a bit less I'd have switched to the yak and then continued vs the Ki...the simple reality is that the Ki pressed me hard and showed that if I gave him any advantage in switching to the yak he'd easily defeat me (them there Ki-61's are beasties in good hands). As I stated I gave him a well earned <S> on extending as well as my reason why, now its very possible he doesn't tune 200....
This thread was not meant as a whine, complaint or expression of anger....simply a query. Here is the clip on the 1st part of the engagement...
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/meandMrKi.ahf
Was a wonderful fight....
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Isn't it true that a .s xxxx will be seen if he doesn't have 200 tuned? A lot of the time, though, you see <S> typed out manually.
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Makes me laugh when the pilot who finally shoots you down in a gangbang and salutes you wants a salute back. Even better when they get angry for not getting the salute back. :rolleyes:
Fun fight win or lose I'm going to try and salute or say something nice on 200 about it.
As others have said, gangbangs, HOs, vulches, etc... they don't earn any respect in my book and a <S> is about respect.
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Isn't it true that a .s xxxx will be seen if he doesn't have 200 tuned? A lot of the time, though, you see <S> typed out manually.
I always squelch 6 and 1...
TC: yeah, I used 2 accts near the end of AW3 as I didn't like the 1 day time limit to change sides, and Az were lower nbrs then, so that's where I ended up... also started my 109k and la5 phase about then, after being a long time f6/p38 driver in both RR and FR. The adjustment to AH FM and the ensuing HO's took some time to acclimatize to, about a year while learning various rides. I'd say "Shane" as we know him has always been an underlying part of my air combat persona, but wasn't til established new rivalaries in AH that "he" came into the
Shane we all know and love.
I do have a reason for being that way... and it ties into my willingness to help people get better. They have to put aside both their own ego and get beyond mine to "qualify" for help from me. Once they do, this is where you see the more or less positive comments about Shane (on the BBS) being so helpful... you'll also notice my BBS and in-game persona are quite different.
I've been around this type of game since '98 - there's nothing new about the way "players" play - deadduck sums it up nicely when he stated, "Players are rats."
I don't care what or how someone flys with 2 exceptions. As long as an honest effort is made, and needless senseless gangs that are not relevant to any base capture (off to the side, MA or FurBlake). I mean if you see a 1 v 1 or 1 v 2 in progress, who benefits from fun/experience, when it's made a 1 V 3,4,5,6? I'm very consistent in what I call out over ch200 - people who are afraid to try, and people who are consistent gangers.
anyway, I've pretty much stated my views on the whole in-game faux-salute thingy. The most likely place I'd toss out a <S> is in the DA after dueling with someone for a while.
I reserve my forum <S> for the passing of vets mostly, and those serving(ed) because I do respect that, very much so.
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They have to put aside both their own ego and get beyond mine to "qualify" for help from me. Once they do...
:rolleyes: Put aside thier ego and get over yours? Some ego you have.
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S is used alot, it is a bit watered down. Sometimes you get one, and not really sure why. Generally if I get one after fighting a group, trying not to be rude, I'll say "<S> guys." The only reason is not to be some kind of snob, but I'm not going to <S> an individual if in fact it was a group that led to my demise. I don't like to take credit away from anyone:). As for sending unsolicited <S>'s...rare and only after a great fight.
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I don't like to take credit away from anyone :) .
Kind and optimistic way of looking at it I guess. :D
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Personally, I probably overuse salutes - then again, I'm normally on the dying end of most engagements.
I dont much care if I get ho'd, vulched, ganged or whatever - I get myself into those situations by my own choice etc.
Nothing further to add, I'm at work, 12 hour shifts and bored already (only 11 hours to go ho hum)
See ya up in the bright blue virtual,
:salute (I know, but I just had to)
Wurzel
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The :salute is best reserved for a fight with a worthy opponent. Half the time I do not read the text as it is filled with BS or someone asking "HOW DO I TAKE OFF?" If I have not returned a salute It's because I missed the message. I apologize :salute
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:rolleyes: Put aside thier ego and get over yours? Some ego you have.
LMAO As much as People think Shane acts like a ego maniac, I find he is far from it. Might just be the fact I have an opposite persona. I'm usually very quiet in game but act like a tard on the BBS.
Don't run your yap he doesn't run his. However if you take the bait he's going to set the hook.
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LMAO As much as People think Shane acts like a ego maniac, I find he is far from it. Might just be the fact I have an opposite persona. I'm usually very quiet in game but act like a tard on the BBS.
Don't run your yap he doesn't run his. However if you take the bait he's going to set the hook.
shoo shoo, the adults are talking now.
:D
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shoo shoo, the adults are talking now.
:D
Hey just tellin ya. I find Shane is the "If you act like a tard, I'll treat you like one." type of person. Believe what you want. You've been warned. :aok
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I saw it more as a "you have to have no ego and be able to deal with mine" statement but maybe I took the wrong meaning.
I've gotten along fine with Shane when I see him in the MAs. Mostly was making a comment on how his statement sounded kinda big-headed or something.
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I saw it more as a "you have to have no ego and be able to deal with mine" statement but maybe I took the wrong meaning.
That was the bait I was speaking about in my first post. Brush that off and get past it .. gtg. Now if you don't.... :uhoh
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Could still be taken that way. :aok You could also see it as "the very ones i piss off most with my "whines" about their lamer ways are the ones I'm actually targeting for improvement. They have to get past me riding them for doing what they do - not talking newbies here, but semi-vets who have been around a while... swallow their pride as it were.... *if* they'd like *my* help in improving."
But to clarify it softer... if someone truly wants my help in whatever, they have to be able to see past who they think I am. It's my way of screening out those who really don't want to put an honest effort into learning stuff. If were mr. nice i'd see no end of requests for help i think and i'll pass on that.
anyone seeking a more formalized kind of training should seek out the Trainers... they have a great website, and good people who have a lot more patience than I would in helping the casual player.
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Wait for it...
wait for it....
<S> Bronk
<S> Shane
:)
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I'm usually very quiet in game but act like a tard on the BBS.
We know you better than you know yourself......... at least your learning.... :lol
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Dang. I waited and waited and no <S> back. No respect I tell ya, no respect.
:D
The irony is killing me.
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OK HT, DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is obviously a shade and not the old Shane. Either find him and bring him back or please don't allow who ever this guy is to carry that name. Been flying around this guy for a while now and the words "Slobber donkeys" has not come out of his keyboard a single time. Either fix your Shane AI or remove it until it is ready.
Thank you! :furious
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Dang. I waited and waited and no <S> back. No respect I tell ya, no respect.
:D
The irony is killing me.
LMAO :aok
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We know you better than you know yourself......... at least your learning.... :lol
The key word for me is "act". You on the other hand ....ehhhh not so much.
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Let me get this right.. To get a "Salute" you have to earn it.
If you fly a certain plane, pick someone or god forbid "HO" someone, then you don't deserve it. If you are engaged with more than one fighter and you loose you also don't deserve one. If you are on the side with the numbers and shoot down a lone fighter then you shouldn't send one.
Is this the real attitude of what the AH community is really made of? I think some of the "OLD ONES" around her tend to forget that everyone is not up to their level of play. What you may think is an easy fight, may in fact be one of the most challenging fights the other player(s) may have been engaged in, even if it was a two or three on one. Yet you have to debate on the BBS wheather a <S> is deserved.
This is the one reason why I rarely give them. I will return them if I am on the receiving end, and yes I have even returned a "Salute" when I have been picked, "HOed", and on the receiving end of other bad things. I feel this is a simple form of courtesy, which is what I thought was something this "COMMUNITY" strives for. Well, I guess not, you learn something new every day.
Fred Voices His Opinion again.
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Look, you can either give or receive a <S>. (or I suppose both, but I mean the first instance of the <S>)
If you're giving out a <S> to every shmo that happens to cross your gunsight, (like me) then what do you say to the guy that was really an exceptional fight?
On the other hand, if you return every <S> you get, then how do you acknowledge a great, exceptional fight?
It's tough.
But, on the other hand, maybe it's not so tough. I don't <S> everyone, just everyone that didn't completely dweeb their into my sites, or me theirs. Example: I shot down a very well-known forum member a few weeks ago. I didn't presume to <S> him, even though his name was immediately well-known and recognized by me, because neither of us did a single thing that was remarkable. I happened to be pulling up as he was pulling into my site, I shot and took of a wing. Big deal.
But, an hour later, I was chasing some La-7 around in my A-20, and he dragged me into a flak pit where Coronado got me. Deserving of a <S>? Well, that's up to you I suppose. Me, I can't hit crap in any flak. Furthermore, to took at least some SA for the La-7 to drag me into that trap. And, of course, I was stupid enough to follow him.
As far as I'm concerned, they both get a <S>. One for dragging so beautifully, and another for shooting accurately when it counted.
Or, I could have gone on a full-on 200 rant about the whole thing, which I suppose would have been equally justified.
Or, I could just not say anything to anyone.
But, heck man, a <S> says, well, you guys set me up good, got the kill, and while it sucked for me, I can't say that y'all didn't do a good job of baiting that hook. So, forget it, I say well done, and standby for angry Toonces from here on out!
I understand the question posed by the OP. Perhaps when I've been around for 10 years what warrants recognition by me will have changed. But, in real life, I'm pretty easy going, and hell, I've gotten so few unsolicited <S> in my short time here, that I figure what can it hurt to maybe promote a freer exchange of goodwill among us.
This is just a game, and we're all here to have fun. It does no harm to throw out more "good game"s than less I guess.
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Comon now, why can we just say "good fight"? The only reason I send an <S> is because it is sorter but in the DA all you will get is a GF. I mean, no one really died guys, and no one is really in uniform, performed any real act of bravery, . . . . etc. You get the idea.