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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Black Jack on December 14, 2008, 11:12:10 AM
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I'm usually flying a Spit9 in Mid War which is basically where i play all the time. The challenge i face often is after merging with lets say a P38 you have to work hard to counterattack their BnZ style of fighting. After a few minutes of surviving this and you wil finnaly have the opportunity of shooting, they decide that it's getting too hot and they extend/dive away and in no way can i follow and chase them. F4u, F6F, P38, P47 and such planes decide when and how long this fight will last and bug off when it's time to survive ;) So i've decided to give an La5 a shot. I checked on Gonzo's site on performance of this plane and I like the numbers. It does many things as good or better than my Spit9. It will turn with a spit unless u go with flaps but if that would be the case you just disengage pull up and come back for a new setup. Now my big big big problem. I can't hit squat with this thing. The rate of fire is so slow a train could go between bullets. I would like to know how the guys who fly it set up their convergence and how they do it to be able to make some good hits with those 20mm. One good thing that helps is that they are nose mounted but you could still shoot over ur target if convergence is too far out. If i can figure out how to hit something, then they won't be able to get away from me as easy as they are doing it vs my Spit9. Thanks
Black70
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The issue you're having is not rate of fire, but velocity. On your Spitfire IX, the Hispano II cannons have a muzzle velocity of ~880m/s. The La-5 cannons have a muzzle velocity of ~770m/s. You're going to have to lead the target more and fire from a shorter distance. The Hispano II and V cannons are the best autocannons in the game; other cannon armaments are more difficult to hit with, so that's something you'll have to contend with if you want to try Japanese, German, Italian and Russian aircraft (with the exception of the Yak-9T I hear).
My advice is to adjust by taking only the closest shots at first, and then gradually attempting shots that are slightly further out. Good luck!
Edit: Here's a good link: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/fgun-pe.html?200814 (http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/fgun-pe.html?200814)
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I'm usually flying a Spit9 in Mid War which is basically where i play all the time. The challenge i face often is after merging with lets say a P38 you have to work hard to counterattack their BnZ style of fighting. After a few minutes of surviving this and you wil finnaly have the opportunity of shooting, they decide that it's getting too hot and they extend/dive away and in no way can i follow and chase them. F4u, F6F, P38, P47 and such planes decide when and how long this fight will last and bug off when it's time to survive ;) So i've decided to give an La5 a shot. I checked on Gonzo's site on performance of this plane and I like the numbers. It does many things as good or better than my Spit9. It will turn with a spit unless u go with flaps but if that would be the case you just disengage pull up and come back for a new setup. Now my big big big problem. I can't hit squat with this thing. The rate of fire is so slow a train could go between bullets. I would like to know how the guys who fly it set up their convergence and how they do it to be able to make some good hits with those 20mm. One good thing that helps is that they are nose mounted but you could still shoot over ur target if convergence is too far out. If i can figure out how to hit something, then they won't be able to get away from me as easy as they are doing it vs my Spit9. Thanks
Black70
ummm instead of looking for another "uber ride" that can catch the F4u, F6F, P38, P47...ummmm why not FLY the F4u, F6F, P38, P47? This is the problem with todays players. Why spend a bit more time LEARNING to fly the planes you fear/can't kill when you can take a "short cut" and fly a faster plane with bigger cannons. :rolleyes:
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ummm instead of looking for another "uber ride" that can catch the F4u, F6F, P38, P47...ummmm why not FLY the F4u, F6F, P38, P47? This is the problem with todays players. Why spend a bit more time LEARNING to fly the planes you fear/can't kill when you can take a "short cut" and fly a faster plane with bigger cannons.
What tells you I don't, I fly most of em with a specific plan on type of flight I want to do. I never tried La5 before. So instead of taking the easy way and flying what they fly, why not spend a bit of time LEARNING a plane i never flew before and can do most of the jobs at the same time. Like my spit. Thanks for your input :)
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The LA5 is a great little plane,but the cannons are a bit "off" they are for me anyways, the LA5 seems like a bigger and better Hurri2c, if I could hit good in it, I would fly the LA5 almost a exclusivly, so what I have been doing, and what I suggest
to you, is download Rangers offline mission "winter breakout" and take the LA5, fly it as often as you can, the mission is great and there are more than enough targets to get that practice in, so far I am still horriblely bad at hitting with it. BUT one of these days it will come together, and you will see me park my Hurri and take up the LA5 as my ride in the LW arenas.
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ummm instead of looking for another "uber ride" that can catch the F4u, F6F, P38, P47...ummmm why not FLY the F4u, F6F, P38, P47? This is the problem with todays players. Why spend a bit more time LEARNING to fly the planes you fear/can't kill when you can take a "short cut" and fly a faster plane with bigger cannons. :rolleyes:
Evrything seems to be a "Uber Ride". I guess if you don't fly one of the planes above then your just not and will never be a real cartoon pilot. I have flown the above planes, and just don't care for them, but maybe thats just me.
Faster plane with bigger cannons? From what I have seen the speed is close on all the above, with the LA5 having maybe a slight edge. As for the bigger cannons, well yes, the 20's are bigger than 50's, but I will take six fifties on the LA5 over the two pieces of crap that have now. :)
Cartoon Uber Pilot
Fred
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Evrything seems to be a "Uber Ride". I guess if you don't fly one of the planes above then your just not and will never be a real cartoon pilot. I have flown the above planes, and just don't care for them, but maybe thats just me.
Faster plane with bigger cannons? From what I have seen the speed is close on all the above, with the LA5 having maybe a slight edge. As for the bigger cannons, well yes, the 20's are bigger than 50's, but I will take six fifties on the LA5 over the two pieces of crap that have now. :)
Cartoon Uber Pilot
Fred
Not trying to give you a hard time here Fred, but why don't you like those other planes? Could it be you find it hard to win fights in them? Could it be you get shot down a lot in them? Do you find yourself getting more kills in LAs, spits? Thats what an "uber plane" is. Spits and LAs are uber because they are easier planes to fly, more forgiving of mistakes, a bigger envelope to push, and smaller consequences when you push it too hard.
You may be satisfied flying uber planes, nothing wrong with that, we are all here to have fun. My comment was made because the OP couldn't kill those other rides in a spit9 so instead of learning the rides he couldn't beat, he choose to grab the next uber ride available, aka "the short cut". I believe that many take this route only because its easier, not as much to learn when flying an LA5 as compared to learning to fly a P47, or a P38 well.
I have always loved the P38, even back in AW days. Am I a pro in it, hardly, but I get my share of kills. How many times have I died in it learning how to fly it.... well I don't think they have that number yet :D My point is don't learn a new plane just because its faster and can run down another plane. Learn another plane so you can learn how to defeat it in your favorite plane.
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I don't get it. In the MWA the F4U has to be one of the most competitive aircraft out there, and once you learn to use the flaps properly it's very forgiving to fly. Since their handling was updated the La series' popularity has plummeted because they became trickier to fly.
I like this advice:
Learn another plane so you can learn how to defeat it in your favorite plane.
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Evrything seems to be a "Uber Ride". I guess if you don't fly one of the planes above then your just not and will never be a real cartoon pilot. I have flown the above planes, and just don't care for them, but maybe thats just me.
Faster plane with bigger cannons? From what I have seen the speed is close on all the above, with the LA5 having maybe a slight edge. As for the bigger cannons, well yes, the 20's are bigger than 50's, but I will take six fifties on the LA5 over the two pieces of crap that have now. :)
Cartoon Uber Pilot
Fred
You realize how many nasty PM's I get weekly from folks getting shot down the Ki-61? :rofl Some even claim the "c" word.
Personally the Yak-U is a superior plane to the La5. It doesn't have WEP, but that is because the WEP is always on. The Yak is one of the most difficult planes to catch just flying at cruising speed and level.
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You realize how many nasty PM's I get weekly from folks getting shot down the Ki-61? :rofl Some even claim the "c" word.
Personally the Yak-U is a superior plane to the La5. It doesn't have WEP, but that is because the WEP is always on. The Yak is one of the most difficult planes to catch just flying at cruising speed and level.
200 mph+ auto speed... try and catch it in that climb.
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Personally the Yak-U is a superior plane to the La5. It doesn't have WEP, but that is because the WEP is always on. The Yak is one of the most difficult planes to catch just flying at cruising speed and level.
I don't think the Yak-9U available in the MWA, is it?
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I don't think the Yak-9U available in the MWA, is it?
I didn't make that comment "arena specific" per se. My bad.
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Not trying to give you a hard time here Fred, but why don't you like those other planes? Could it be you find it hard to win fights in them? Could it be you get shot down a lot in them? Do you find yourself getting more kills in LAs, spits? Thats what an "uber plane" is. Spits and LAs are uber because they are easier planes to fly, more forgiving of mistakes, a bigger envelope to push, and smaller consequences when you push it too hard.
You may be satisfied flying uber planes, nothing wrong with that, we are all here to have fun. My comment was made because the OP couldn't kill those other rides in a spit9 so instead of learning the rides he couldn't beat, he choose to grab the next uber ride available, aka "the short cut". I believe that many take this route only because its easier, not as much to learn when flying an LA5 as compared to learning to fly a P47, or a P38 well.
I have always loved the P38, even back in AW days. Am I a pro in it, hardly, but I get my share of kills. How many times have I died in it learning how to fly it.... well I don't think they have that number yet :D My point is don't learn a new plane just because its faster and can run down another plane. Learn another plane so you can learn how to defeat it in your favorite plane.
Actually I have no idea why I don't care for them. I have flown every fighter in the game, and F4U and 38 is not my plane of choice. I have gotten kills in them, and I do understand that in the F4U flaps are sometimes a must, and I do use them, but I just don't care for the plane. Matter of fact I find it harder to get kills in the LA5 than the F4U, mainly because of the guns.
Its just one of those things that I do like the spits, LA5, don't really care for the LA7, and on occasion the 51. I do use the 47 for some rare times when I'm going to bomb something, but that's about it.
As for flying planes to learn how to defeat them, that's exactly what I do. I don't have too much problems with the F4u these days unless it has a really good stick in it. The 38 still give me fits at time because I have a tendency to want to go vertical with it when I shouldn't. But your right, its a game I like to play, and if the plane I like are Uber, then so be it. :salute
Fred
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You realize how many nasty PM's I get weekly from folks getting shot down the Ki-61? :rofl Some even claim the "c" word.
Personally the Yak-U is a superior plane to the La5. It doesn't have WEP, but that is because the WEP is always on. The Yak is one of the most difficult planes to catch just flying at cruising speed and level.
I actually like the 61. It definitely is a plane that I need to put a lot of time in to learn, but what little I have flown it, I like it. I do like the Yak, I just hate the guns. They are worse than the LA5, but with time I guess one can get better with them.
Fred
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I actually like the 61. It definitely is a plane that I need to put a lot of time in to learn, but what little I have flown it, I like it. I do like the Yak, I just hate the guns. They are worse than the LA5, but with time I guess one can get better with them.
Fred
bmwgs, look me up if you see me on. I'll let you hop in my Ki-61 and walk you through some stuff. I'll switch to where ever you are flying.
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bmwgs, look me up if you see me on. I'll let you hop in my Ki-61 and walk you through some stuff. I'll switch to where ever you are flying.
That I will do
Thanks
Fred
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ummm instead of looking for another "uber ride" that can catch the F4u, F6F, P38, P47...ummmm why not FLY the F4u, F6F, P38, P47? This is the problem with todays players. Why spend a bit more time LEARNING to fly the planes you fear/can't kill when you can take a "short cut" and fly a faster plane with bigger cannons. :rolleyes:
if, like the OP, most of your encounters involve outflying the opponent and then watching him egress, why not try a faster plane? makes sense to me.
uber rides? pfff. speed, range, vertical ability, centre mounted guns and cannon (the most uber versions of both in the game), let me add the 38 to the "uber ride" list. and the F4Us and P47s (I never fly the F6 so cant comment on that) :rolleyes:
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ummm instead of looking for another "uber ride" that can catch the F4u, F6F, P38, P47...ummmm why not FLY the F4u, F6F, P38, P47? This is the problem with todays players. Why spend a bit more time LEARNING to fly the planes you fear/can't kill when you can take a "short cut" and fly a faster plane with bigger cannons. :rolleyes:
Nah, the problem is that there are too many native English speakers that apparently do not understand the language. What the guy is looking for is a plane that can catch the guys that took the time to learn their rides, :rolleyes: after he beat them. Not to mention that the LA5 is hardly an uber ride :lol
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Nah, the problem is that there are too many native English speakers that apparently do not understand the language. What the guy is looking for is a plane that can catch the guys that took the time to learn their rides, :rolleyes: after he beat them. Not to mention that the LA5 is hardly an uber ride :lol
I don't know, after I "out fly someone" they are in the tower. So my guess is he doesn't know the other planes as well as he thinks nor is he out flying them as well as he thinks. I was just trying to point out that learning the other planes would help more than taking a short cut and grabbing the fastest big cannon plane he can get.
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Nah, the problem is that there are too many native English speakers that apparently do not understand the language. What the guy is looking for is a plane that can catch the guys that took the time to learn their rides, :rolleyes: after he beat them. Not to mention that the LA5 is hardly an uber ride :lol
Forcing the faster, worse turning aircraft to disengage is easy. What takes skill is killing them before they realize their escape window is gone.
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Forcing the faster, worse turning aircraft to disengage is easy. What takes skill is killing them before they realize their escape window is gone.
You are kidding right? When I out fly a spit or NIKI or F4U in a P40 and they put their nose down heading for the nearest ack that was easy and I need to learn not to fly the easy mode uber planes? The answer is the LA. After all, lalas are easy kills for you aces lol.
The guy has it right. I love the LA because no one can run from it
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You are kidding right? When I out fly a spit or NIKI or F4U in a P40 and they put their nose down heading for the nearest ack that was easy and I need to learn not to fly the easy mode uber planes? The answer is the LA. After all, lalas are easy kills for you aces lol.
The guy has it right. I love the LA because no one can run from it
Which P-40? The P-40E does not out turn the aircraft you listed.http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php (http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php)
Fwiw, I don't have any issue with either LA.
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Which P-40? The P-40E does not out turn the aircraft you listed.http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php (http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php)
Fwiw, I don't have any issue with either LA.
Exactly my point. So once they get out flown by the P40, they point the nose down and run. The guy had a question and a good point. Fugitive came out swinging at him for asking a question about the uber La5 lol
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Exactly my point. So once they get out flown by the P40, they point the nose down and run. The guy had a question and a good point. Fugitive came out swinging at him for asking a question about the uber La5 lol
Yes, I agree that forcing one of those aircraft to run away from a P-40E is no easy task! A Spitfire IX on the other hand is an entirely different scenario.
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Thanks for the guys who understand what i'm looking for. I do fly those other planes and some others as well. I fly them to know what are their weakness so i can try to manoeuver against that when i fly the spitfire. Just too many planes that can outrun a spit when they feel trapped. I am trying to learn as many planes as i can but it takes time. Somebody like Fugitive who has been playing for many years i'm sure had time to learn most of the set but it's not my case yet. I never flew the La's before and when i tried the La5 i found, maybe i'm wrong but that it handles a lot like my spit if u fly it slow or fast. I don't want to use it to run away, it's for keeping them from running from me when i finally got the advantage. I like to TnB if possible but sometimes you just can't. Maybe the La5 can do both. I've seen some amazing stuff by some guy flying them. I know that in Mid War it doesn't happen too often that u see a P38, Pony or P47 below the others. They fly their planes the way they were designed and I understand that. But sometimes it would be fun if these guys would fight until they die or they kill the other. Not go away when it becomes hot for them. That's what's happening with a spitfire9. People say that the spit is an easy plane to fly. I would say yes for that, but it's also very easy to destroy. So you have to fly better in a spit and you can't afford being hit like the F6f or P47 can because your plane is gone. These guys are built like tanks. Unless u got a canopy shot on those with a spit, on many occasions it will take you 2 passes to destroy them. Only a few good 50cal on the tail section and both elevators will go on a spit. I would say the same about a Zeke. Everybody tries any shot on a zeke because they flame easy, so surviving in one makes you a better pilot i think. After all this is said and done, everybody can fly whatever they want. I'm just trying to learn more from a game i like that's it. Thanks :salute
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I can understand the OP's frustration. Notice he said he wanted to counter a BnZ style. If someone smart if flying one of the planes he listed and has an alt advantage the spit will never kill them. Now that scenario is a perfect one of coarse but it illustrates his point. I have flown the MW quite a bit lately and there are many pilots in there that only want to score well and not find a good fight. It does seem like it is getting more and more rare that someone will want to fight till the end in there. So I can not blame Black Jack for wanting to get in a faster ride when everyone is running away from him.
With that said I will offer one suggestion. If you want a fight down low and slow you need to get out of MW. I have had alot of fun playing in EW and had lots of great fights there.
Also if you enjoy MW enough to stick it out then try the 109-F its great for dealing with someone trying to BnZ you. That airplane can hang on the prop forever which may give you a few shots as the enemy zooms back up.
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Personally, I think when one is flying something that holds every card except top speed against "X" aircraft, you can expect "X" to engage using energy tactics and extend if the energy state is equaled and positions reversed. If you are in a given model of Spit, then the selection of contemporary planes who have little in the way advantage over you except top speed is going to be large, thus you are going to get that treatment quite a bit, but IMO, that is no reason to complain. Besides, there are always plenty of other Spits to fight.
Just as the high-wing loaded E fighter faces the challenge of a difficult snapshot to defeat the low-wingloaded angles fighter, the angles fighter must be quick and accurate in his shooting if he is to get the kill on his reversal before the faster plane can extend. Perfectly fair.
That said, there is no real fault in any individual flying any available airplane however they like. If an airplane has too many advantages relative the others in the same arena set, it is up to those running the game to assign it a high ENY/perk price.
I can understand the OP's frustration. Notice he said he wanted to counter a BnZ style. If someone smart if flying one of the planes he listed and has an alt advantage the spit will never kill them. Now that scenario is a perfect one of coarse but it illustrates his point. I have flown the MW quite a bit lately and there are many pilots in there that only want to score well and not find a good fight. It does seem like it is getting more and more rare that someone will want to fight till the end in there. So I can not blame Black Jack for wanting to get in a faster ride when everyone is running away from him.
With that said I will offer one suggestion. If you want a fight down low and slow you need to get out of MW. I have had alot of fun playing in EW and had lots of great fights there.
Also if you enjoy MW enough to stick it out then try the 109-F its great for dealing with someone trying to BnZ you. That airplane can hang on the prop forever which may give you a few shots as the enemy zooms back up.
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Well said BnZs.
Like I said a smart stick in a faster plane will not let the spit kill him. I think just changing your choice of aircraft might get you more kills just because the spit is thought to be so dangerous. I think if you were to take a poll of AH players many would tell you that the Spit9 is superior to the LA5 or 109F. I don't believe this to be true but maybe some people will stick around longer if they didn't see you in a Spit.
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I had no problem hitting targets with it in the last FSO to feature it: The Dogs of War - Belgorod-Kharkov - 1943
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22:04:13 Departed from Field #4 in a La-5FN
22:37:08 Shot down a Bf 109G-2 flown by fyvsix.
22:43:16 Shot down a Bf 109G-2 flown by KingTex.
22:47:13 Shot down a Bf 109G-2 flown by 417jocko.
22:49:03 Shot down a Bf 109G-2 flown by NavyCV61.
22:52:04 Shot down a Bf 109G-6 flown by Drano.
22:53:35 Shot down a Bf 109G-6 flown by TC.
23:12:47 Takes on fuel/ammo/ord at field #4.
23:50:45 Arrived Safely at Field #37
It just takes patience to get killing shots with it. You need to work for good solid shots and limit your snapshots.
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I don't want to use it to run away, it's for keeping them from running from me when i finally got the advantage.
welcome to the dark side. :rock la7 is much better, tho'... and a yak9u almost as good. but for MW.. yeah la5 will rock.
just that you gotta shoot relatively close-in and really get to know your high deflection shots because you get a lot of snap/crossing shots.
only drawback to the russian stuff is short legs and short clips.
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My two cents...
I usually use the LA-5FN for base defense, and as far as gunnery goes, I never shot untill I'm with in 200, the ballistics are not as good as US .50's or 20mm Hispanos. And with convergance, they are cowl mounted, so it's a matter of elevation on your site for the most part. Keep practicing and you'll be deadly.
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I had the same problem the first few times I flew the La-5. I couldn't hit squat with it. I pulled the convergence in 35% and started to get in closer and went from "What's up with this POS" to "Wow... nice plane".