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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1pLUs44 on December 15, 2008, 05:45:50 PM
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Well, I'm saving up 1000 to 2000$$ to get some stuff to record my own CD and make my band. I have 3 electric guitars, and a Bass guitar.
This is what I plan to get (drumset not specified yet)
Anything else I probably need to get in your opinion? What I got, is it poor quality? I'm trying to keep it cheap. I'm just getting stuff off the top of my head now.
Drum Set
MXL 990/MXL 991 Recording Microphone Package http://www.guitarcenter.com/MXL-990-MXL-991-Recording-Microphone-Package-102543741-i1126981.gc
Alesis iMultiMix 8 USB http://www.guitarcenter.com/Alesis-iMultiMix-8-USB-104635909-i1276015.gc
Lexicon Lambda USB Desktop Studio http://www.guitarcenter.com/Lexicon-Lambda-USB-Desktop-Studio-103725602-i1126258.gc
Fender Standard Precesion Bass http://www.guitarcenter.com/Fender-Standard-Precision-Bass-516041-i1148879.gc
Fender Frontman 212R 100W 2x12 Guitar Combo Amp http://www.guitarcenter.com/Fender-Frontman-212R-100W-2x12-Guitar-Combo-Amp-104506076-i1323510.gc
Tell me what you think, I'd like your opinions. I've got some friends who are interested in doing this as well. And after looking forever, found a drummer! :)
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Well I don't know much about stuff other than drums, but if you need help looking and choosing different components for it gimme a shout!
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What set up do you have? I wanna get ahead of the game. I have already written some stuff for the lead guitar, backup guitar, and bass, but nothing for drums. What would you do? Like what would you set up? I can probably get some simple stuff written in, and have our drummer kind of add it up himself. :salute
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Well, what kind of band are you looking at? Most of the time the drummer follows a simple beat and makes the stuff up as he goes, while still counting and keeping in line with the rest of the band. Remember, the drummer is the backbone ahead of the bass guitarist. Other bands have the drummer follow a specific beat or piece of music, but that depends on if the guitarists can go out on their own and don't need a straight beat.
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Well, we're looking into I guess, what would be Alternative? With kind of a little bit of what they call 'punk' I guess. Which is basically simple, slightly high notes on the lead, and lower notes on the backup. Bass will follow backup, or do his own thing depending on where in the music.
Here's an example of what I'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_HKns1XEFM
Listen to the first 30 seconds or so, you may know what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to sound like them, heck no, but the guitar will be something along like that.
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Usually alternative has the drum part like I mentioned, follow a simple beat and make it up as you go. Sometimes the bass guitarist will do the same thing.
Avenged Sevenfold has plenty of different styles of music, you might find some sstyle you like. You looking at slower music...semi-up beat or screamo fast? :)
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well first of all its called lead in rhythm guitar... and why dont you make who ever your drummer is going to be buy a drum kit? I'm a little confused here, bands usually form when a group of friends who each play different instruments get together
where do you live i know a couple people with studios
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well first of all its called lead in rhythm guitar... and why dont you make who ever your drummer is going to be buy a drum kit? I'm a little confused here, bands usually form when a group of friends who each play different instruments get together
where do you live i know a couple people with studios
Drummer has a drum kit, but lets see, waste all that time bringing it to my house for a 2 or 3 hour rehearsal, or, have it there conveniently. Plus, I've always wanted a drum set. :D
Usually alternative has the drum part like I mentioned, follow a simple beat and make it up as you go. Sometimes the bass guitarist will do the same thing.
Avenged Sevenfold has plenty of different styles of music, you might find some sstyle you like. You looking at slower music...semi-up beat or screamo fast? :)
1 = slower music, 10 = screamo fast?
1 to 10,a lil bit of it all.
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I run a recording studio and can tell you that the recording equipment you've got lined up isn't going to give you the sound you want. Drums can be mic'd up with a minimum of three mics, but you'd be much better off to mic each individual piece. A decent drum mic pack is the Audix Fusion series and will set you back about $350-400. From there you'd need a SM57 or two for the guitar amp at $100 a piece. The Alesis unit you've listed is alright for doing small acoustic demos, but it's not really going to work that well for a punk sound. You'd need something like the MOTU 896 which will set you back a grand.
My advice? Pick up a four channel recorder to catch basic song ideas and practice. Once your tunes are rehearsed up and tight, jump into a professional studio and pay them $25-35 an hour to record your stuff. You'll come out WAAAAYYYY cheaper and get better results as well.
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Thanks man, there is a local place in Georgetown. I may hit it up. Get the 1000 - 2000 $$ and record it after I got my songs written.
I'm just working it from A to B. I'm planning ahead of time so I got my stuff squared away so I'm not in a rush. I'm definately getting the drumset. I want 1 of those :lol
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PM me an email and I'll send you a song or 2 I did on a 4 track cassette...
2 things any recording needs: a Shure SM57 and a compressor.
I had/have a Mackie 16 ch mixer, a Boss DR550 drum machine, 1 SM57, 1 cheap Audio-Technica M4000, an Alesis nano-compressor, and a Yamaha 4 track...
Once I got the tracks on the PC (after 7 years on tape) you can do amazing things with recording and mixing software.
A familiar AH player used a song of mine in his youtube movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHg0d4qfx7Y
I don't think it's that bad for $1500 in hardware and a bit of software for the strings and mixing (remember those guitar tracks and the bass line were laid down on tape 7+ years ago) though I did one acoustic overdub at the end with a $99 Sears guitar and double mic mixed together, 1 in the sound hole, 1 5" up the fretboard.
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PM sent
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georgetown what state, i know a couple people with studios who owe me favors
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I can help you with percussion equipment, gear and recording methods. I've been playing for 25 years. Played DW for a decade; last year switched to Truth (www.truthdrums.com). I've played in a semi-pro setting for about 12 years. Now only playing in church and indie demos from a contact in Nashville. Well versed in Jazz, Rock, Alt/Punk, Christian and Worship. Have played on numerous records and live settings from coffee shops to arenas. That was back 8 years or so ago. Home studio consisting of Reason, Live 7 and Pro-Tools for mastering. Still supplementing income with demos and still putting about 15 hours a week into staying loose. If I can be of any help, drop me a PM.
:)
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georgetown what state, i know a couple people with studios who owe me favors
Georgetown Texas. There's a few recording studios in the area, I'm thinking of doing the small one in Georgetown. IIRC, there's one in the square.
I can help you with percussion equipment, gear and recording methods. I've been playing for 25 years. Played DW for a decade; last year switched to Truth (www.truthdrums.com). I've played in a semi-pro setting for about 12 years. Now only playing in church and indie demos from a contact in Nashville. Well versed in Jazz, Rock, Alt/Punk, Christian and Worship. Have played on numerous records and live settings from coffee shops to arenas. That was back 8 years or so ago. Home studio consisting of Reason, Live 7 and Pro-Tools for mastering. Still supplementing income with demos and still putting about 15 hours a week into staying loose. If I can be of any help, drop me a PM.
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and I would very much like any help I can get.
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1plus I play drums, and from what I've seen your best bet would be to go with a DW drum kit.. DW is good quality and reliable. Get some nice sabian cymbals and you got it set.. Also I know some recording studios will furnish a drumset for you if needed.. If not a DW drum kit I would probably go with a nice pearl drumset! :) Those are just my suggestions! Good luck on your album and make sure to post it in AH forums when it comes out! :salute
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I'll definitely post it up. I'd probably be pretty lost without help from you fellas. :rock
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It sounds like the question is how much are you into the engineering end. If you're writing songs and don't want to get into the tech stuff, keep it simple. Get what you need to capture ideas and let a studio do the actual production. Do what you do. Even a marginal room will yield a nice record if there are good ears and restraint applied in generous measures. There are all kinds of digital recorders out there that are easy to learn and use but put out real nice field recordings.
BTW. I always thought D.W. sold pretty high end gear. We bought a kit a few years ago and after the smoke cleared I'm sure it was over $2k w/o metal.
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If your looking Alternative/Punk, going to be a lot of somewhat fast beats for the drummer such as....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDKmEN8ghls (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDKmEN8ghls)
Rock....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ3qJmgktS0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ3qJmgktS0)
Metal...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmCYd9lpxlE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmCYd9lpxlE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yijKdC8kESA&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yijKdC8kESA&feature=channel)
Nu-metal...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COXMUGEFnag (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COXMUGEFnag)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MxYhZLsVwY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MxYhZLsVwY)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0APr2Zo4oE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0APr2Zo4oE)
Punk/Rock...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94vo6NzQD5c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94vo6NzQD5c)
Scream Rock... (interesting style, sorta a mix between Rock and Punk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpO834GIxuw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpO834GIxuw) (that is my favorite band by the way)
Scream Metal...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcfLkrDXdn8&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcfLkrDXdn8&feature=channel)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYGQjYi2A30 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYGQjYi2A30)
and I will throw in some Rage Against the Machine as well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv3xM3v4-rI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv3xM3v4-rI)
Just wanted to help you find a middle ground maybe. Easily the hardest song on that list is "This Calling" by All That Remains, followed by "Question" by System of a Down.
Hope this helps.
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If this is mainly a recording project forget about drums and get one of these-
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Line-6-UX2-with-PF?sku=250004
this-
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Steinberg-Cubase-Essential-4?sku=703191
and this-
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Toontrack-EZdrummer-Multi-Layer-Drum-Sampler?sku=703056
If you computer has decent specs you can make some very high quality professional sounding recordings with minimal effort.
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Whatever you do, have fun doing it. Me and my buds play every week and just have fun breaking down songs we want to learn, that and his kid is a whiz with tabs. I have no clue with that stuff. We have fun though. We play for our partys and everyone joins in singing. Good times :)
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(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e264/kitty_609/Guitar_Emote_Hero_revamp_by_Cook-1.gif)
:rofl :aok
As of lately I've gotten back into liking Shinedown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvOgRIr7ro0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvOgRIr7ro0)
90s music...i dig STP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2xNyxc5VWs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2xNyxc5VWs)
80s music...waaaay too many things to look up or even list.
And...for the true "southerners" out there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyDie_4dOdU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyDie_4dOdU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4s0nzsU1Wg&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4s0nzsU1Wg&feature=related)
All of the above songs I sing (yes i know..hard to believe) for our band. We just started a few days ago, and we haven't really specialized in one type of music...but we're just getting started still. I'm not a musician of any type...I can't play a single instrument to save my life, and I know nothing about them.
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Whatever you do, have fun doing it. Me and my buds play every week and just have fun breaking down songs we want to learn, that and his kid is a whiz with tabs. I have no clue with that stuff. We have fun though. We play for our partys and everyone joins in singing. Good times :)
Tab is easy, any song you have trouble with, go to www.ultimate-guitar.com type name of the song (not artist though) find the artist, download PowerTab (free) and it's like real sheet music in front of you. Tab and the real notes.
I use it to help teach me the real notes and learn tab at once.
SRV's little wing is my next big project. So far, I know a good bit of it, and by the end of '08, hopefully, I'll have learned it.
going on... Progress:
2 songs, Bass, Lead Guitar, Backup Guitar on all of them. (I can play all 3 pretty well... So if I have to fill in for Bass, I'm covered)
:rock
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Found a lot of local Record companies about 20 miles away. So far, I'm looking at these bigtime:
http://www.premiumrecording.com/services.html
http://www.affordablesound.com/
Premium Recording seems like a place where I'd feel more welcomed at. But still skeptical.