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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: wes34th on December 19, 2008, 09:22:45 PM
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Ok,
What do you all think of Tom Cruise in his new WW II movie?Do you think he can make a come back in this movie?Anyone know how good/bad the movie is??Cruise comedy is certainly welcome :devil
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Ok,
What do you all think of Tom Cruise in his new WW II movie?Do you think he can make a come back in this movie?Anyone know how good/bad the movie is??Cruise comedy is certainly welcome :devil
Isnt he like 5'4" tall with little feet? Can you imagine him playing a German army officer? Cause I cant.
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5'4" would be over his head easy and to call him a jerk would be playing nice but somehow he gets cherry roles even though his acting sucks (IMO).
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I hears its good and what is he coming back from? Being a wacko?
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I hears its good and what is he coming back from? Being a wacko?
He's coming back from a nagging ankle injury from jumping off Orca's couch.
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From what I can see Cruise is completely miscast in the movie. Hell the subject matter alone miscasts him in this movie.
For starters, to play a German officer. Shouldnt you be able to speak with a German accent?
Kinda adds to the credibility.
If its a typical Cruise movie. It will go something like this.
Hotshot German officer suffers an event that causes severe mental depression,self doubt and/or physical weakness.
After reaching his proverbial low point. He miraculously bounces back.
Think I'll pass till I can see it on cable.
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People in Germany are absolutely furious he was cast in this movie, especially as the lead character..
They hate him, and they hate scientology even more. They see it for what it is. A cult and a scam..
A cult manufactured by an egotistical windbag(who was a pathetic excuse for a Sci-Fi author as well) FOR egotistical windbags...
Plus, this movie is about 90% bull-$#*@..
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I hears its good and what is he coming back from? Being a wacko?
It ain't easy being a wako ! :rolleyes: I'll pass now but will rent it when it comes out on DVD.
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5'4" would be over his head easy and to call him a jerk would be playing nice but somehow he gets cherry roles even though his acting sucks (IMO).
He was pretty good and hilarious in Tropical Thunder.
ack-ack
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From what I can see Cruise is completely miscast in the movie. Hell the subject matter alone miscasts him in this movie.
For starters, to play a German officer. Shouldnt you be able to speak with a German accent?
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Everyone knows German officers in movies have British accents.
wrongway
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Ethan Hunt with an Eyepatch, does WWII?
I'm not holding out much hope that it will be any good..
The director isn't known for his dedication to WWII history..
Even the ewok himself, calls it a "political thriller", not a "war film"..
I think it will be chock full of Hollywooditis.. As usual..
Someday, they might learn that some actual events in history
are far more incredible, and dramatic, than anything a screenwriter
can dream up... But I seriously doubt it..
Besides, If they did that, they wouldn't be able to make those revisions..
But I suppose that I'll see it, when it comes out on disc..
After all, I sat thru Pearl Harbor, with its MEGA BS...
Its hard to believe that anything could be worse than that..
RC
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Saw a preview tonight for a WW2 resistance move that's coming out in January. Can't remember the name right now but it looks about eleventy trillion times better than Valkyrie.
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People in Germany are absolutely furious he was cast in this movie, especially as the lead character..
They hate him, and they hate scientology even more. They see it for what it is. A cult and a scam..
A cult manufactured by an egotistical windbag(who was a pathetic excuse for a Sci-Fi author as well) FOR egotistical windbags...
lol
Yea, the Germans are well known for recognising cult-like figures and egotistical windbags.......and making them their leader.
Pretty interesting release date for this movie, Christmas Day. Why? Because that is the day 90% of Jewish people go to the movies. It's almost a "See! There were Germans who tried to get rid of Hitler" kind of thing.
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People in Germany are absolutely furious he was cast in this movie, especially as the lead character..
They hate him, and they hate scientology even more. They see it for what it is. A cult and a scam..
A cult manufactured by an egotistical windbag(who was a pathetic excuse for a Sci-Fi author as well) FOR egotistical windbags...
Plus, this movie is about 90% bull-$#*@..
Geez take it easy. Did you think all those other movies were on the up and up?
Von Stauffenberg was like 6'4" tall wasnt he? And they got The Hobbit playing him?
Also I never bought the story this guy was a hero. Funny how they had 11 years to kill Hitler and they never tried it until after the Normandy landings when even a moron would know Germany was going to not only lose but also get pulverized.
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Geez take it easy. Did you think all those other movies were on the up and up?
Von Stauffenberg was like 6'4" tall wasnt he? And they got The Hobbit playing him?
Also I never bought the story this guy was a hero. Funny how they had 11 years to kill Hitler and they never tried it until after the Normandy landings when even a moron would know Germany was going to not only lose but also get pulverized.
Actually there were over a dozen assassination attempts on Hitler, including sevral plots be the Officer Corps and other German groups.
Anyhoo, its probably going to be Pearl Harbor with Nazis. I expect to see Ben Arselick flying one of the Ju-52s they show in the trailers.
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To be accurate there were over 40 documented attempts.....
Valkyrie represents one of the last.
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Anyhoo, its probably going to be Pearl Harbor with Nazis. I expect to see Ben Arselick flying one of the Ju-52s they show in the trailers.
"C'mon Hitler, get me into a damn plane!"
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To be accurate there were over 40 documented attempts.....
Valkyrie represents one of the last.
Documented? As in "never happened"? It seems every High ranking German officer/leader had a secret plot to kill Hitler while standing trial at Nuremberg. :lol Of them all Speer's was most precious. He was going to poison gas his bunker? :uhoh I guess they were running low on zyclon B by then and that prevented it.
Fact is the German High Command was full of selfish opportunists. Had their little master race plan worked they'd still be goose stepping around the world. Call it what it is.
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Not all of the casting in this movie was bad...
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AckAck still has Top Gun on vhs and has cassette of Kenny Logins Danger Zone in car.
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For starters, to play a German officer. Shouldnt you be able to speak with a German accent?
Kinda adds to the credibility.
Either go with the German language and subtitle it, or use plain English. In this case, going with the latter is fine with me. What I never find credible is Germans speaking to each other in English with German accents, and, like you see in many other films, Russians speaking to each other in English with British accents. :huh
Tom Cruise may be a tool, but a lot of the posts here show ignorance of the history surrounding this event. Even the History channel approaches the topic with more subtlety than what I'm reading here.
Fact is the German High Command was full of selfish opportunists. Had their little master race plan worked they'd still be goose stepping around the world. Call it what it is.
The upper echelons of the German military were made up of Prussian conservatives who had nothing to do with the origins of Nazism (and nearly all thought his plans for conquest were outrageously presumptuous). They resented Hitler as a plebian, but after Hitler quashed the storm troopers, who were scheming for control of the military, it was difficult to plot against him because he seemed to be preserving the old conservative order.
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lets see,, a remake, with a fruitcake actor?
someone should tell him, he needs to stay behind the camera!!
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Either go with the German language and subtitle it, or use plain English. In this case, going with the latter is fine with me. What I never find credible is Germans speaking to each other in English with German accents, and, like you see in many other films, Russians speaking to each other in English with British accents. :huh
Did you ever consider that they might be British actors speaking in their normal voices?
That WOULD be plain English.
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Did you ever consider that they might be British actors speaking in their normal voices?
That WOULD be plain English.
It's an intentional casting choice.
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The upper echelons of the German military were made up of Prussian conservatives who had nothing to do with the origins of Nazism (and nearly all thought his plans for conquest were outrageously presumptuous). They resented Hitler as a plebian, but after Hitler quashed the storm troopers, who were scheming for control of the military, it was difficult to plot against him because he seemed to be preserving the old conservative order.
They were made up of opportunists who were thrilled that Hitler poured so many resources into the army and thus were advancing their own careers. They only thought he was "outrageously presumptuous" when it starting looking like they were going to lose. When they were winning they were goose stepping higher then anyone. Believing the Fuhrer was a genius.
As far as I know, and I know a lot, the only real, legitimate assassination attempt against Hitler had nothing to do with the army and when some civilian planted a bomb over labor reform or some such thing. Every attempt, or so called attempt, by army personal were just words and excuses until July '44. They had already had 8 years of watching Jews and undesirables turned into soylent green and didn't do nothing about it so they can all stuff their high morale horse manure.
They acted to save what was left of Germany. And they only did so when they saw the war was irretrievably lost. None of them started "caring about the Jews" until they saw the rope at Nuremberg.
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They only thought they were "outrageously presumptuous" when it starting looking like they were going to lose.
Try the invasion of France and the low countries. They were bracing for a long, hard fight similar to WW1.
Anyway, I'm done arguing against your 2 dimensional character sketches.
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People in Germany are absolutely furious he was cast in this movie, especially as the lead character..
They hate him, and they hate scientology even more. They see it for what it is. A cult and a scam..
A cult manufactured by an egotistical windbag(who was a pathetic excuse for a Sci-Fi author as well) FOR egotistical windbags...
Plus, this movie is about 90% bull-$#*@..
People in Germany love Hasselhoff so its a wash.
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at least the guy playing hitler looks alot like him
there always seems to be a good hitler look a likes in movies
anyone watch "42 ways to kill hitler" on the national geographic channel?
They also had a cool show on the other day about salvaging a P-47 that crashed in a lake in Austria a day or so before the war ended, the low oxygen levels in the lake kept it in almost mint condition, the guys are going to have it flying in a year or two.
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Everyone knows German officers in movies have British accents.
wrongway
LOL He doesnt have one of those accents either
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People in Germany love Hasselhoff so its a wash.
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You guessed it, Frank Stallone may have something to say about that.
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Try the invasion of France and the low countries. They were bracing for a long, hard fight similar to WW1.
Anyway, I'm done arguing against your 2 dimensional character sketches.
In English dude. Speak plainly. Your two liner babblings are incomprehensible.
But go ahead and run away anyway. Like a girl.
Name one legitimate assasination attempt by the German armed forces to prevent the invasion of France and the Low countries.
Sheesh!!
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Everyone knows German officers in movies have British accents.
wrongway
Tell that to George Peppard.
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I find it funny that all the other Germans in the movie speak with English accents [of course they are all English] except for Tom. He could of at least tried an English accent.
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Tell that to Kevin Costner....
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See Rule #2
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They were made up of opportunists who were thrilled that Hitler poured so many resources into the army and thus were advancing their own careers. They only thought he was "outrageously presumptuous" when it starting looking like they were going to lose. When they were winning they were goose stepping higher then anyone. Believing the Fuhrer was a genius.
Dick, your over simplification of history is just absolutely amazing and incorrect. There was a plot (probably the best chance to succeed) against Hitler by elements of the German High Command (led by the Chief of Staff) that would have over thrown Hitler and arrested him if he had gone to war with England and France over the Sudentenland (sp?). Unfortunately, Chamberlain's appeasement to Hitler over Czechlosvakia ended any chance of the plot succeeding because the coup plotters believed that they would no longer have the support of the German people.
It's really a very interesting story and also mentions how the majority of the 'Old Guard' Prussian officers in the German High Command were replaced by generals Hitler thought were more loyal and receptive to his policies.
ack-ack
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People in Germany love Hasselhoff so its a wash.
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Saw a preview tonight for a WW2 resistance move that's coming out in January. Can't remember the name right now but it looks about eleventy trillion times better than Valkyrie.
Defiance.
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Yes crack. Another fantasy assassination scheme that never quite happened. Aint it funny how that kept happening thru the war.
Of course its common knowledge to anyone who knows history that the old guard was unhappy with Hitler because they were still living in the infantry based war schemes of 1914 and they didn't trust all this newfangled armor and maneuver tactics that had, at that time, been unproven on the battlefield. Again their goals were purely personal. They didnt want to lose the war or their own influence.
So it had nothing to do with morality and more to do with the old guard losing power, and again like in '44, fear Germany would lose the war. And like I said earlier Germany was booming with failed assassination stories after they lost and the only thing they had in common, except for two, is that they never actually happened. Whats that tell you.
But do keep up the conversation crack.....ack crack....bloody fascinating stuff.
Dick, your over simplification of history is just absolutely amazing and incorrect. There was a plot (probably the best chance to succeed) against Hitler by elements of the German High Command (led by the Chief of Staff) that would have over thrown Hitler and arrested him if he had gone to war with England and France over the Sudentenland (sp?). Unfortunately, Chamberlain's appeasement to Hitler over Czechlosvakia ended any chance of the plot succeeding because the coup plotters believed that they would no longer have the support of the German people.
It's really a very interesting story and also mentions how the majority of the 'Old Guard' Prussian officers in the German High Command were replaced by generals Hitler thought were more loyal and receptive to his policies.
ack-ack
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COMING THIS DECEMBER:
Tom Cruise in; Valkyrie
:rofl
I honestly laughed my bellybutton off when I first saw the commercial.
1. Operation Valkyrie snagged the prop on the runway. Skidded to the side, some love muffin taped the rudder to the right.
2. IT'S TOM F**KING CRUISE!!
Wrong actor, wrong event, wrong PERIOD. Were already getting 'Defiance', and that one looks like a damn good movie to me. We don't need a turkey.
Really, I haven't expected ANYTHING good outta this guy. Especially after I heard he was on Mickey Rooney's crazy pills.
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A good number of the Prussian higher echelon were killed before 1940.
If someone did not agree with Hitler they were eliminated.
That's how he ended up with maniacs and cross dressers. They agreed with him
and kept him in power.
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Good points, since Hollywood has always in the past kept with the finer points of history.
Too bad the AH O'Club doesn't have it's own movie production company then you could all show the world how things truly were.
Most of you people are on the same track with this topic as you are with your political views.
The world, how it should be, according to the AH O'Club. Now there's an exciting place to be, a world built by a bunch of armchair warriors.
Everything can be done better, when you're sitting your lazy butt in front of a computer screen.
Oh BTW, in case some of you have overlooked this point,
the movie is regarded as entertainment, it's not a documentary.
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Swager, you mean to tell me that movies like Talladega nights arent a documentary, :aok
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Defiance.
Yep i've been waiting to see that one for quite some time. Looks really good.
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Yep i've been waiting to see that one for quite some time. Looks really good.
I've never heard of this upcoming movie. I'll google it.
:aok
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Ok,
What do you all think of Tom Cruise in his new WW II movie?Do you think he can make a come back in this movie?Anyone know how good/bad the movie is??Cruise comedy is certainly welcome :devil
crazy tom cruise Voo Doo warshipper.......i knew he was a Nazi..... lol.
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Think Tom Cruise as Colonel Klink, better yet, General Burkhalter :salute
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So this is a nice discussion and all, but did anyone actually go see the movie? And if so, how was it?
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See Rule #5
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Yes crack. Another fantasy assassination scheme that never quite happened.
Dick, you really should do yourself a favor and do some research. I know, looking things up tax your little mind but you can't increase your knowledge if you don't work out your brain. All you have to do is look up German Chief of Staff Ludwig August Theodor Beck and read his history which details the operation to over throw Hitler. You can dismiss it because it doesn't jive with what you believe but you can't dismiss the facts, though you will try your hardest to, ignorant people like you always do.
Though it does make one wonder if the operation to over throw Hitler would have succeeded if Chamberlain didn't lick Hitler's boots and cave in on Czechslovakia. At the time in 1938, Hitler's power base and popularity wasn't completely assured, until after Czechslovakia, which caused his popularity amongst the German population to sky rocket and sadly spelled the doom for his planned over throw. Amazing how a slight turn of event can have such a dramatic ripple effect.
ack-ack
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ack ack pls read your forum rules
You crack me up...you make a snide remark to me and then cry like a little girl when it's returned. But then I'm not suprirsed you bring your timid nature from the MA into the forums.
ack-ack
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he could have at least faked a German accent he sounds like everyday American Joe
poor director judgement IMO :uhoh
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So this is a nice discussion and all, but did anyone actually go see the movie? And if so, how was it?
LOL i was thinking the same.
Reading the discussion, i think its all about Tom Cruise as an Actor and not much about Stauffenberg.
Looks like not many knew him before or know anything about him. Maybe its time to watch the Movie
and learn something. Just a hint. they are allready some movies made about Stauffenberg.
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Everyone knows German officers in movies have British accents.
wrongway
Thats funny!!!! :D
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Hmmm, speaking of actors using a German
accent when playing the part of a german officer..
Check out Marlon Brando in the movie,
"The Young Lions".. He did the accent very
convincingly, especially since he played along
side Maximillion Schell for most of the movie...
Tough act to follow...
Then again, Brando is Known for acting excellence...
He didn't need CG graphics to cover a weak performance..
And then we have the munchkin Tom Cruise..
Who became a star, by dancing in his tighty whities...
Its easy to be a star these days, people don't expect
very much... It must be a "generational thing"..
RC
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And then we have the munchkin Tom Cruise..
Who became a star, by dancing in his tighty whities...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BddCq1zFI4
Personally, I think Heidi did that scene better. :D
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you know, when in Germany the private TV stations came up (1984 +/-), first thing they did, was to show american TV produtions, which the German puplic television did not show. So my gerneration got in contact with "Knight Rider", "A-Team", "Airwolf", "Baywatch"...and yes with good old David H. I loved "Knight Rider", ´cause my parents watched "Denver clan" and "Dallas". Nobody told us that David should not be loved :D
back to topic: well, I do not know, if I will watch the movie Valkyrie. But as far as I read and heard about it, its not that good.
Merry Christmas!
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Tom Cruise doesn't even have a slight German accent in the movie......lol Then again we are talking about a guy that prays to a mediocre science fiction writer and was never a good actor from the beginning.