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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: ink on December 26, 2008, 11:55:33 AM
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I have learned, to set my cursor, on piper hit H-key freezing the cursor, then I set my views as high as I can, and I know with out question that my cursor, is now my piper, it has helped a little with my aim, but only marginally.
what is your opinion of this? did you realize this was possible? or am I finding out about something that every one knows?
I thought about it one day and was thinking if no one else knows about this I may be a "cheater" and seriously, I hate "cheaters" to me they are the same as Liars and thief's, so I feel obligated to put it out there to let every one know about it,to use or lose it, to condone or condemn me.
JETSOM
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I think it is well known. Not cheating. Just an aid for aiming. I have heard some people use it in wirbles and ostis to get that annoying sight out of the way.
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No
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unrealistic yes, gaming the game yes, cheating no.
as a gunner you should have to use the gun sight, maybe limit the head up movement in the gunner position in GVs.
planes, maybe only way to change it would be, make cursor vanish when not over clipboard or dash, or after a few seconds of
no movement it kinda goes away.
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i actually placed a dot on my monitor with a dry-erase marker.
same principle though.
not cheating. imagine trying to get a better view in r/l. you're gonna lean foward and up, right?
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I experimented with that but ended up hating firing with a mouse tip as my gunsight plus not being able to move the mouse for the flight for whatever reason (Guess I don't really need to after I get my E6B up). A lot of planes you can page up high enough and still see your gun sight that you don't need the cursor such as the F6F and P38. I can definitely see how it could be advantageous in some planes such as the Ki-84 or the Mossie though. Not cheating, just a gamey trick imo.
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Cheating? No. Gaming the game? Definitely.
Just like turning down your engine sounds in a GV to hear others isn't cheating- but it most certainly is gaming the game.
Just like turning down your graphic settings in a GV to see through the landscape wasn't cheating- but it was gaming the game.
Just because it's not necessarily cheating doesn't mean it's not pretty gay.
But there's certainly not anything wrong with just shifting up your head view for a better look. Before I got TrackIR I had my default front view looking through the sight (the standard view) and then my forward hat position shifted the whole way up. I didn't use the magical never-moving mouse, though.
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Just because it's not necessarily cheating doesn't mean it's not pretty gay.
I'm quite sure that HT would appreciate your description of his "feature". He is the one that told me to do it...it's what he does. :rofl
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Everybody already knows about it Ink.
I'm not sure it honestly helps that much. It seems like in most planes this does more to let you see whether or not you got hits on a "blind" lead deflection shot than actually improve your aim.
The part that helps notably, with planes that have alot of frames, is also setting your forward view with hat-switch scooted forward more than our default forward. This helps you see around frames for crossing shots, which of course in r/l you could do with a slight head movement.
Possibly even more valuable than the aiming is having a little mark on the center of your life vector in the "look straight up" view...
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cool thanx guys I feel a little better atleast.
<S>
JETSOM
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I hope so. I paid Silat a lot of money for that cheat.
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I'm quite sure that HT would appreciate your description of his "feature". He is the one that told me to do it...it's what he does. :rofl
Hopefully he will :lol
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I hope so. I paid Silat a lot of money for that cheat.
Yes but it came with teen squelch as a bonus...... worth every penny.
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Yes but it came with teen squelch as a bonus...... worth every penny.
I may have to revisit my monthly Silat Automatic Payment. I definitely DIDN'T get the squeaker squelch feature.
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I'm quite sure that HT would appreciate your description of his "feature". He is the one that told me to do it...it's what he does. :rofl
Funny, he's the first guy I thought of. Have you heard his custom tank sight story?
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I'm not a big fan of gaming the game. In fact most of the time I have engine sounds up so loud I can't hear my squaddies. I never calibrate my joystick. And I usually turn my monitor off. I don't want to be accused of trying to gain an advantage on anyone :D
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reported for cheating
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reported for cheating
reported for trolling.
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I have learned, to set my cursor, on piper hit H-key freezing the cursor, then I set my views as high as I can, and I know with out question that my cursor, is now my piper, it has helped a little with my aim, but only marginally.
what is your opinion of this? did you realize this was possible? or am I finding out about something that every one knows?
I thought about it one day and was thinking if no one else knows about this I may be a "cheater" and seriously, I hate "cheaters" to me they are the same as Liars and thief's, so I feel obligated to put it out there to let every one know about it,to use or lose it, to condone or condemn me.
JETSOM
Before you do anything in the game take a moment and think if it would be possible to be done by a real pilot in real life. If yes, even if it was painful, uncomfortable or what ever, then have at it
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It's not cheating, but using anything other than the gunsight for an aiming point is a gamey.
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Cheating? No. Gaming the game? Definitely.
Just like turning down your engine sounds in a GV to hear others isn't cheating- but it most certainly is gaming the game.
Just like turning down your graphic settings in a GV to see through the landscape wasn't cheating- but it was gaming the game.
Just because it's not necessarily cheating doesn't mean it's not pretty gay.
One difference is that turning down engine sounds or reducing visual detail is something you can do in any aircraft or vehicle, whereas that is not true for the over-the-nose-view-cursor-gunsight.
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I'm not a big fan of gaming the game. In fact most of the time I have engine sounds up so loud I can't hear my squaddies. I never calibrate my joystick. And I usually turn my monitor off. I don't want to be accused of trying to gain an advantage on anyone :D
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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One difference is that turning down engine sounds or reducing visual detail is something you can do in any aircraft or vehicle, whereas that is not true for the over-the-nose-view-cursor-gunsight.
That's because in some airplanes you could sit up higher and see over the nose and in others you couldn't IRL. Since some planes had this innate advantage while others didn't it should be modeled in the game to maintain the various plane's relative advantages and disadvantages. For example, you can see way over the extremely short nose of a 110 but you cannot see over the extremely long nose of an F4U, no matter how high you sit - this has been modeled and rightly so.
Because a flight sim is an imperfect environment (especially related to views) there are some less-realistic things that sometimes are done to actually help maintain the balance of the plane set. I say set that cursor and take advantage of your over-the-nose view to capture the advantage that the real pilot had.
What I am trying to say, is that it all balances out and is less gamey than it seems, imho.
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Before you do anything in the game take a moment and think if it would be possible to be done by a real pilot in real life. If yes, even if it was painful, uncomfortable or what ever, then have at it
For crying-out-loud guys, it's a game. Every game has its idiosyncrasies, and things happen (or can be done) that just don't happen in real life. It's just not possible to completely simulate "real life" on a home computer no matter how hard you try or how much you want to. So, some people make a conscious effort to insert their own limitations in game-play to make up for some of that lost realism - more power to them if that's how they want to play. I say, just play the game and have fun...if you're taking it too serious, then it's probably time to give it up and do something else.
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Hey ink , I use the cursor trick all the time.. Doesnt work well with some planes however. Wirbles work well with it... Actually, miss the old niki cockpit, was great for cursor trick...:(.. :rock
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That's because in some airplanes you could sit up higher and see over the nose and in others you couldn't IRL. Since some planes had this innate advantage while others didn't it should be modeled in the game to maintain the various plane's relative advantages and disadvantages. For example, you can see way over the extremely short nose of a 110 but you cannot see over the extremely long nose of an F4U, no matter how high you sit - this has been modeled and rightly so.
Except in reality, if you adjust your seat up high, you'd also adjust the gunsight reticle to be centered accordingly. Effectively, in the virtual world of AH every pilot has already 'adjusted' his seat - which is where the center of focus is set as in the default screen.
Thus, moving the head position up is literally "moving the head up". Conceptually it has nothing to do with individual advantages/disadvantages between the planes in how far one can see over the nose, but rather how much headroom is available in the cockpit, and how much neck/back/torso movement is allowed for the virutal pilot in the cockpit. In the older version planes these restrictions were very lenient, so far as to in some cases the pilot's cranium might be sticking above the cockpit glass. In the more recent game versions and plane models, the restrictions are far more strict.
Because a flight sim is an imperfect environment (especially related to views) there are some less-realistic things that sometimes are done to actually help maintain the balance of the plane set. I say set that cursor and take advantage of your over-the-nose view to capture the advantage that the real pilot had.
The comfy cozy computer room chair, and the thumb-controlled hat switch flippin' (or, in recent cases neck wriggling with Track/ir) to move views around at physically impossible/improbable situations devoid of human anatomical constraints or G-force constraints is already overcompensates for any 'imperfect environment' in the first place.
Also, the so called 'real-life advantage' as mentioned would hardly - if ever - have actually taken place in real life. A pilot may squirm around to peer around the nose for a glimpse (that is, if only the plane isn't already generating enough G-forces during maneuvering) of the enemy, but you can bet your money on that he will return to his normal seated position when he is ready to pull the trigger.
What I am trying to say, is that it all balances out and is less gamey than it seems, imho.
No it isn't. It's a gamey thing which has nothing to do with 'reality issues' at all.
It's allowed in the game as long as AH doesn't go so far as to implement some kind of "pilot action physics" system which might mimic realistic constraints of pilot movement under stress of real life forces and pressures according to plane maneuvering. However, hypothetically speaking, if AH ever implements such a system then you can bet the 'peering over the nose and spontaneously aiming at the target with an uncentered reticle view, while pulling a turn so hard enough to necessiate such action in the first place' definately won't be seen in the game.
Until then, people may use it freely - but that don't change the fact that it's pure gaming the game.
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So for all the "game the gamers" the Huey guys that put a grease mark on windshield in Nam for guns/rocks (because the flip out sight was garbage) were gaming the game....... :uhoh
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For crying-out-loud guys, it's a game. Every game has its idiosyncrasies, and things happen (or can be done) that just don't happen in real life. It's just not possible to completely simulate "real life" on a home computer no matter how hard you try or how much you want to. So, some people make a conscious effort to insert their own limitations in game-play to make up for some of that lost realism - more power to them if that's how they want to play. I say, just play the game and have fun...if you're taking it too serious, then it's probably time to give it up and do something else.
It'd be impossible to - let's say - simulate maybe the death and fear factor. Or perhaps how a dynamical atmospherical conditions would effect the plane every moment in minor detail. Certainly a game would never would have to be required to model in a highly convincing fluid-dynamic model of turbulence to enjoy.
However, AH takes pride in the fact that it is one of the most realistical aerial combat simulation games. Looking over a gamey exploit with 'being just a game' as an excuse is practically the same thing as leaving a known and proven 'FM error' intact. I am quite certain that if there is a proved case of a plane FM being incorrect, people are going to ask for a fix.
The only reason such exploits are still in the game, is because it alone does not decidedly effect the outcome of the fight, and coming up with a completely satisfying aerial combat simulation with such small numbers of people in development is an unreasonable thing to expect.
In other words, it is a mere compromise asking for the tolerance of the gamers. That doesn't mean that "being just a game" may excuse its existence.
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Except in reality, if you adjust your seat up high, you'd also adjust the gunsight reticle to be centered accordingly. Effectively, in the virtual world of AH every pilot has already 'adjusted' his seat - which is where the center of focus is set as in the default screen.
Thus, moving the head position up is literally "moving the head up". Conceptually it has nothing to do with individual advantages/disadvantages between the planes in how far one can see over the nose, but rather how much headroom is available in the cockpit, and how much neck/back/torso movement is allowed for the virutal pilot in the cockpit. In the older version planes these restrictions were very lenient, so far as to in some cases the pilot's cranium might be sticking above the cockpit glass. In the more recent game versions and plane models, the restrictions are far more strict.
Goodness.
The comfy cozy computer room chair, and the thumb-controlled hat switch flippin' (or, in recent cases neck wriggling with Track/ir) to move views around at physically impossible/improbable situations devoid of human anatomical constraints or G-force constraints is already overcompensates for any 'imperfect environment' in the first place.
Also, the so called 'real-life advantage' as mentioned would hardly - if ever - have actually taken place in real life. A pilot may squirm around to peer around the nose for a glimpse (that is, if only the plane isn't already generating enough G-forces during maneuvering) of the enemy, but you can bet your money on that he will return to his normal seated position when he is ready to pull the trigger.
Goodness.
No it isn't. It's a gamey thing which has nothing to do with 'reality issues' at all.
It's allowed in the game as long as AH doesn't go so far as to implement some kind of "pilot action physics" system which might mimic realistic constraints of pilot movement under stress of real life forces and pressures according to plane maneuvering. However, hypothetically speaking, if AH ever implements such a system then you can bet the 'peering over the nose and spontaneously aiming at the target with an uncentered reticle view, while pulling a turn so hard enough to necessiate such action in the first place' definately won't be seen in the game.
Until then, people may use it freely - but that don't change the fact that it's pure gaming the game.
My goodness. :D
I figured that the literalist would not understand what I was getting at, which is simply that some planes have better inherent views from the cockpit for different situations than others in real life. The flavor of what I was trying to say is to take advantage of that b/c the game offers that advantage in how you set up your views. It is a game, the game aspects of the game balance out to make the planes match up to each other better the way they did in real life. A game will never be like real life but if you use the various aspects of the game that are offered, the resultant effect is that the planes relate to each other a little better. Then again, maybe not.
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yes...
take his stick away and hang him by his toe nails
:noid
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It's not cheating, but using anything other than the gunsight for an aiming point is a gamey.
watabout tracers??? :D
and btw I also use dry-erase dot on my screen.. dont have to bother with aligning cursor and hittin H, the dot is always there!
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Cheating? No. Gaming the game? Definitely.
Just like turning down your engine sounds in a GV to hear others isn't cheating- but it most certainly is gaming the game.
Just like turning down your graphic settings in a GV to see through the landscape wasn't cheating- but it was gaming the game.
Just because it's not necessarily cheating doesn't mean it's not pretty gay.
But there's certainly not anything wrong with just shifting up your head view for a better look. Before I got TrackIR I had my default front view looking through the sight (the standard view) and then my forward hat position shifted the whole way up. I didn't use the magical never-moving mouse, though.
It isn;t any more gamey than tir & there doesn't seem to be anyone b1tch1ng about that so why not use the cursor. Both ok imho
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There is all kinds of tricks to gaming the game. For instance some squads have Mylars made up to fit over the screen so they can pull off amazing shots with the leading of opponents already factored in. Running gv's with troops & letting them out & bail & jump into a bomber so they can get a C47 capture. Going into God mode from the manned ack & directing traffic to approaching gv's. These are but a few. Cheats? no gaming the game with out question.
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I use a small permanent marker dot dead center on my CRT. Started doing it back when I was playing Stalker, and they didn't have a gun sight unless you were zoomed in.
Not that I actually use it much in flying, but for GV's it can be quite handy at times.
Another one, if in a tank firing from a slope, I fire a ranging shot, put mouse on the spot where it hits and freeze it. This gives me the angle I need to predict where they will hit.
Gaming the game, by all means yes. Cheating, no not even close.
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Just an aid for aiming. I have heard some people use it in wirbles and ostis to get that annoying sight out of the way.
dont forget the 38! cant see crap over the nose without it... btw, i find it easier to just put a permanent marker or dry erase marker on my screen. then you dont need to set the curser, hit H to freeze, it and then scroll up; you just scroll up
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For crying-out-loud guys, it's a game. Every game has its idiosyncrasies, and things happen (or can be done) that just don't happen in real life. It's just not possible to completely simulate "real life" on a home computer no matter how hard you try or how much you want to. So, some people make a conscious effort to insert their own limitations in game-play to make up for some of that lost realism - more power to them if that's how they want to play. I say, just play the game and have fun...if you're taking it too serious, then it's probably time to give it up and do something else.
SoCom ------------>
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For instance some squads have Mylars made up to fit over the screen so they can pull off amazing shots with the leading of opponents already factored in.
whats a mylar??? never heard of it, and dont plan on using it...takes to much fun out of game it seems
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whats a mylar??? never heard of it, and dont plan on using it...takes to much fun out of game it seems
it is a clear bit of plastic that lays over your screen with markings on it. In this instance with lead markings on it.
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I figured that the literalist would not understand what I was getting at, which is simply that some planes have better inherent views from the cockpit for different situations than others in real life. The flavor of what I was trying to say is to take advantage of that b/c the game offers that advantage in how you set up your views.
...which again, is irrelevant since moving the view up has nothing to do with what you've said.
It is a game, the game aspects of the game balance out to make the planes match up to each other better the way they did in real life. A game will never be like real life but if you use the various aspects of the game that are offered, the resultant effect is that the planes relate to each other a little better. Then again, maybe not.
Definately not.
Although it does offer some nice, cheap excuses to help make people feel better when they game the game.
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I would say yes it's cheating, just because your using an "exploit." But I'm not going to be one to tell you to stop. I enjoy the challenge of realism, and that's just my style. :)
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just play like you are in a early Russian fighter
The Germans had one other crucial advantage, their fighters were equipped with the modern reflector gunsights. Most Soviet aircraft had simple gunsights, sometimes a circle drawn on the windshield. It was not until delivery of the P-39 and P-40 fighters that they were finally able to install modern gunsights on their fighters.
http://ezinearticles.com/?The-MiG-3---Russias-Best-WWII-Fighter-Plane&id=190742
here is another interesting link. assume you have the Spitfire over the nose cowling sight.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=160621&sid=51c60b7d43f1923c2bb9a94c598a6ff1
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in a furball it doesnt matter much. In a duel it would be a little cheap if you did not inform the other player before hand, imo.
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I've done that in the past. However, I find just using the sights alone is more efficient.
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LOL dweebs need aids to help them. If a person like this needs an aid to help give em a chance to cheat they will.
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Is using witchcraft cheating? :t
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LOL dweebs need aids to help them. If a person like this needs an aid to help give em a chance to cheat they will.
really, huh?
so what you are saying is every one who says they put a little dot on the monitor is also a cheater? or the many other ways people do it?
anytime you wanna go to school on how to die in a plane you let me know, I will be more than happy to switch sides or whatever, heck bring your little hourd with ya, or try by your self :rofl
I suggest bring company because you just dont got what it takes.
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...which again, is irrelevant since moving the view up has nothing to do with what you've said.
Yes it does. Different planes allow a different amount of movement, which must be b/c the creators want to capture something particular about a certain plane and relate it to a game environment. Anyway, you are obviously unable to grasp what I am saying because you think this game should be like real life. Having said that, let me ask you a few questions,....
Although it does offer some nice, cheap excuses to help make people feel better when they game the game.
...Mr. I'm-superior-because-I-don't-game-the-game:
1. Do you fly with icons on?
2. Do you set your rear views to the side and up so you can see over the headrest or do you just look straight back into the headrest?
3. Do you cycle through WEP over and over again when in a dogfight?
4. Do you .ef when you land or do you taxi safely to the hanger or some other place that you may consider a flight line.
5. When you pull extended negative g's do you poke your eyes out with sharp sticks because you should now be blind?
If you answer yes to any of the questions above you have constituted yourself a hypocrite...
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LOL dweebs need aids to help them. If a person like this needs an aid to help give em a chance to cheat they will.
:noid
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[. . .] Having said that, let me ask you a few questions,....
...Mr. I'm-superior-because-I-don't-game-the-game:
1. Do you fly with icons on?
2. Do you set your rear views to the side and up so you can see over the headrest or do you just look straight back into the headrest?
3. Do you cycle through WEP over and over again when in a dogfight?
4. Do you .ef when you land or do you taxi safely to the hanger or some other place that you may consider a flight line.
5. When you pull extended negative g's do you poke your eyes out with sharp sticks because you should now be blind?
If you answer yes to any of the questions above you have constituted yourself a hypocrite...
Wouldn't that one kinda be realistic more so than a direct 6 view? I don't know about any of you people but I certainly can't turn my head 180 degrees. Even when I turn my body with, it takes a lot. :)
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Not at all Jet. It's called being smart enough to use some of the tools and tips that Hitec has in place to aid patrons. :salute
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really, huh?
so what you are saying is every one who says they put a little dot on the monitor is also a cheater? or the many other ways people do it?
anytime you wanna go to school on how to die in a plane you let me know, I will be more than happy to switch sides or whatever, heck bring your little hourd with ya, or try by your self :rofl
I suggest bring company because you just dont got what it takes.
I guess WWII gunners had a sharpie to put on their scope!
(http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq77/AAdeath/sharpies.jpg)
Video game kid
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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I guess WWII gunners had a sharpie to put on their scope!
(http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq77/AAdeath/sharpies.jpg)
Video game kid
:rofl :rofl :rofl
DrDork strikes again ! jeeeezzzz
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It's not cheating, but using anything other than the gunsight for an aiming point is a gamey.
<---- does it in an Ostwind and Whirble
<------- Gamey
(Zazen made me do it)
Does your C.O. think it's gamery? It's posted on his website.
http://www.netaces.org (http://www.netaces.org)
http://www.netaces.org/ostwind/ostwind.htm (http://www.netaces.org/ostwind/ostwind.htm)
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I guess WWII gunners had a sharpie to put on their scope!
(http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq77/AAdeath/sharpies.jpg)
Video game kid
:rofl :rofl :rofl
We used white-out on the front sight of our M-16's :aok
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We used white-out on the front sight of our M-16's :aok
<------Never used white out, at a long distance like on the range it can throw you off just a little bit if you're already zeroed, used to just take a little of the carbon from the bolt and rub on it to dull the glare though, worked wonders.
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<---- does it in an Ostwind and Whirble
<------- Gamey
(Zazen made me do it)
Does your C.O. think it's gamery? It's posted on his website.
http://www.netaces.org (http://www.netaces.org)
http://www.netaces.org/ostwind/ostwind.htm (http://www.netaces.org/ostwind/ostwind.htm)
Touche Von. :aok
I am an individual. The opinions I express do not necessarily belong to my squad or represent my CO's opinions unless I am acting in a semi-official capacity to do so. ;)
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Touche Von. :aok
I am an individual. The opinions I express do not necessarily belong to my squad or represent my CO's opinions unless I am acting in a semi-official capacity to do so. ;)
I am gonna use that for a signature/disclaimer (although I'm usually not put in any official capacity because they know me too well) :lol
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I'm Playing a Game! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhh :O
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Your head no, but now you are making this too basic. Your head goes between 90 and 105 degrees.... Your eyes moving laterally do the rest to get a full 180 turn without the body moving at all. Good peripheral vision aids in this greatly.
Wouldn't that one kinda be realistic more so than a direct 6 view? I don't know about any of you people but I certainly can't turn my head 180 degrees. Even when I turn my body with, it takes a lot. :)
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Standing up, I can spin my head, shoulders and waist round 180 so my feet and nose are pointing opposite directions. Maybe thats just one of the joys of not reaching 30 yet.
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I was eating a candy cane and sneezed. I can't get the sticky specks off my screen so now I use them as aids. Is this cheating?
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(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/sHa_lolabove.gif)clever
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most of the updated planes do not allow head up beyond the gunsite level, so lets see what happens as the rest are upgraded.
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Standing up, I can spin my head, shoulders and waist round 180 so my feet and nose are pointing opposite directions. Maybe thats just one of the joys of not reaching 30 yet.
Careful where you do that trick..y'all might nor reach "30" :P
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I do set my gun site as high as i can and still see the center dot. I tried the cursor thing and found it to be a huge disadvantage for seeing out the top of the plane window. especially in the 109. I,d cut that bar out if I could.
Basically its not worth the drawbacks if you ask me. In some planes i set the gunsight lower than default for a better view past window obstructions.
S all
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Careful where you do that trick..y'all might nor reach "30" :P
the way i treat myself and the stress of being in love with a devil woman from satan's bowls should do more to stop me than mild yoga, but i will keep the advice of those older and wiser than me close at hand for the future. thanks den :D
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Standing up, I can spin my head, shoulders and waist round 180 so my feet and nose are pointing opposite directions. Maybe thats just one of the joys of not reaching 30 yet.
K, now pull 4Gs and try it again :P
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I guess WWII gunners had a sharpie to put on their scope!
(http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq77/AAdeath/sharpies.jpg)
Video game kid
:rofl :rofl :rofl
:rofl
like I said before you dont have a clue.
no take up on my offer I see.
you are what I would have called someone a long time ago, "cell warrior"
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LOl never knew about it do now still wont do it...Lame to me...I do move up but always use the sight...
Kam
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I was eating a candy cane and sneezed. I can't get the sticky specks off my screen so now I use them as aids. Is this cheating?
Candy cane....yes..cheating. Now use peanuts and you are good to go!! :devil
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K, now pull 4Gs and try it again :P
:lol
standing up?? i think i am too tall
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I have learned, to set my cursor, on piper hit H-key freezing the cursor, then I set my views as high as I can, and I know with out question that my cursor, is now my piper, it has helped a little with my aim, but only marginally.
what is your opinion of this? did you realize this was possible? or am I finding out about something that every one knows?
I thought about it one day and was thinking if no one else knows about this I may be a "cheater" and seriously, I hate "cheaters" to me they are the same as Liars and thief's, so I feel obligated to put it out there to let every one know about it,to use or lose it, to condone or condemn me.
JETSOM
just another Xbox version of a flight sim :uhoh
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I had never heard of it before ... have to give it a go...
any more "tips"?
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My son used a pen and marked my LCD screen..pernament lol