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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: humble on December 28, 2008, 11:56:53 PM
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Its happening a lot more often, and not just to me. With overall subscriptions off by at least 10% and a lot of people on the fence I hope the powers that be will take a good hard look at tweaking what they can. An awful lot of good players are on there last leg with things....
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Its happening a lot more often, and not just to me. With overall subscriptions off by at least 10% and a lot of people on the fence I hope the powers that be will take a good hard look at tweaking what they can. An awful lot of good players are on there last leg with things....
I stopped playing AH2 seriously a long time ago, just after the MA was torn apart and the game play went tits up. But where can I go, nowhere is the answer to that question! Aces High 2 has been the best online combat flight simulation for the last 10 years, by a long shot I might add. That being said AH2 isn't perfect, I really hope for changes now that CT has been put on the shelf (Thank God). HTC should start by getting shot of arena caps and go from there as nothing positive has changed since, there are still hordes and a little less lag for the people who are playing on dial up in exchange for poor map rotation and no war to win!
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How do you know how many less pay to play nowadays?
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:lol It'll be ok :rolleyes:
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Its happening a lot more often, and not just to me. With overall subscriptions off by at least 10% and a lot of people on the fence I hope the powers that be will take a good hard look at tweaking what they can. An awful lot of good players are on there last leg with things....
Yep, I know how you feel.
explain yourself!*
Can you really say you've not noticed it yourself?
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Frankly I've been having a pretty good time with my squadies. Saturday, during the day, we shared a lot of laughs and captured a few bases. And that was after ol Getback got peeved a couple of days earlier. Oh well, highs and lows.
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I agree with getback. Just let HTC do their thing. They can't go too extreme, with the fear that people will not like it. They tweak it a little bit at a time.
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Last legs with what things? I dont know anything about Legs or things.
Yesterday we had some moron Rook get all upset cause we lost a base. And he was neither kidding nor a "kid". He was an adult genuinely upset, I actually thought he was going to throw a freak.
Another time I was mowing down Panzers with my IL-2. Some Rook, mind you another adult, said from within the confines of his little cartoon tank, "If you guys are going to keep killing tanks with your IL-2s then I'm not going to waste my time here".
Waaaa, Waaaa, Waaaa. So the theory was introduced that if he was allowed to shoot other little cartoon tanks, with his little cartoon tank, then he wouldn't be "wasting his time". :huh Well maybe I haven't lived the accomplished life I should have but even I can figure out that shooting little cartoon tanks doesn't exactly rank with performing free palate correction surgery on 3rd world children.
I think some people in this game should be forced to take one walk around the block a day. Yaknow? Make them wave at people and things for like 10 mins. Sheesh! Get a life!
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Yeah HTC is doing a fine job with this game. And if there is a real issue and you call they usually help. Also if you post in Tech support skuzzy usually has an answer for you. :salute
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Cancelled mine a few days ago. If it hadn't been for the guys in my squad I would have cancelled a long time ago. I used to look forward to logging on but most of the fun guys to play with have already quit or just don't play much at all anymore so I had to be extremely bored to even try getting on. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
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Last legs with what things? I dont know anything about Legs or things.
Yesterday we had some moron Rook get all upset cause we lost a base. And he was neither kidding nor a "kid". He was an adult genuinely upset, I actually thought he was going to throw a freak.
Another time I was mowing down Panzers with my IL-2. Some Rook, mind you another adult, said from within the confines of his little cartoon tank, "If you guys are going to keep killing tanks with your IL-2s then I'm not going to waste my time here".
Waaaa, Waaaa, Waaaa. So the theory was introduced that if he was allowed to shoot other little cartoon tanks, with his little cartoon tank, then he wouldn't be "wasting his time". :huh Well maybe I haven't lived the accomplished life I should have but even I can figure out that shooting little cartoon tanks doesn't exactly rank with performing free palate correction surgery on 3rd world children.
I think some people in this game should be forced to take one walk around the block a day. Yaknow? Make them wave at people and things for like 10 mins. Sheesh! Get a life!
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Just out of curiosity how would you know its off by 10%, I'm sure HTC has the realtime data and has watched the peaks and valleys come and go.
The game is what it is, the entertainment value is still there, if you don't try putting to much into it, (the rivet counters curse) like anything else I play in spurts when the interest strikes me. Late spring and summer I don't play much, fall and the early part of the year I play allot with the exception of the Christmas holidays.
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Agree with the op and Kazza, catch22 really,I guess I'll just lurk around in the AvA and maybe pop into the MA from time to time from now on.
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Gloom and Doom. I think it just gets old. Maybe this should be posted in the epic fail thread.
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someone stole your AH mojo snap?
problem finding it again will be the several fat B****** that play.
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Classic symptoms of an addiction that no longer delivers the same high that it did at first. That's what happens when you play too much. For some people you might have to take a few days off, for others a few weeks, and for others much longer. Then the dopamine released in your brain will feel good again. :D
I will admit that I was looking forward to CT. To me, arena air combat is a hamster wheel, and how many revolutions can you do before you feel like a hamster? ;)
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Just like late last night in MW, yes it has been infected too, the win the war types were bragging about taking bases. Mind you there were only about 40 people on and their team had about 18 players. Their method..... kamakazee into base porking all and then up a bunch of M3s and flood them out in the woods. Letting them all run to maproom.
Just no skill in that. They wont even fight, just dive in and die.
My opinion is that CT would have been a breath of fresh air. If you died you would have had to start from scratch with training and all.
Catch 22
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I wasn't around waaay back but I've been around since about '04. I know some of you have been around alot longer. Alot of these "newbs" just don't understand how much fun it used to be. Guys playing just to have fun and not play for some stupid score that means absolutely diddly. I guess that what we get for HTC putting a commercial on Nik at night. :rolleyes:
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I started AW in the fall of 95, and taking the breaks aside I still find that theres things that I don't know and new ways to have fun if I want to find the fun. Lately Ive been flying solo just looking for a fight but the last few times on Ive been joining missions, Wasp3 <S> I think it was did a few yesterday, it was a blast take a base, defend, then take the next one. Maybe next week It'll try a new plane.
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Its happening a lot more often, and not just to me. With overall subscriptions off by at least 10% and a lot of people on the fence I hope the powers that be will take a good hard look at tweaking what they can. An awful lot of good players are on there last leg with things....
Logged in last night for the first time in probably 2 months and flew one sortie.
First impression: Its amazing how quickly you get rusty.
Second impression: I was just rammed...?
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Where at in the great Commonwealth Saur?
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I have, unfortunately, been finding my flight sim fix in many other flight sims. Got BlackShark a few weeks ago and already have been taking that bad boy up online a few times.
Falcon 4 is starting to eat up all my flight simming time as well.
I love Aces High because it has taught me to be a better all-around ACM guru more than any other flight sim I've ever played. But, the hamster wheel of it all has gotten old. I like to fly for a goal. Yes, furballing is fun, but I really do enjoy more depth.
I dunno. I keep wanting to log on, burn all my fighter perks, and then quit. But I can't even be bothered to log on to burn perks.
I'm not sure why I still have a subscription.
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Gloom and Doom. I think it just gets old. Maybe this should be posted in the epic fail thread.
Yep.
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There are many small things that HT could fix while some of the larger ones they seem to be stumped or bogged down on.
The wish list has many valid requests that have gone on for years without being answered while unsolicited improvements are being added.
All in all it's a great game and I enjoy it very much but some things do call for more attn. than others. Giving us some of the little things that have been requested over the years would definitely be appreciated instead of having us feel that HTC really don't care.
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Just out of curiosity how would you know its off by 10%, I'm sure HTC has the realtime data and has watched the peaks and valleys come and go.
We will not be given that information. They know what's going on, do not feel like you're in the Dark... Just imagine this game without all the cool things from previous patches, or this Forum we browse daily... HTC is doing a fine Job, let them enjoy their Holiday Break - Good things are in the making :aok
BTW- If you're bored in the MAs, try Flying some Special Events. We offer plenty of new things to keep you having a blast. Air Racing is every Tuesday Night, 10PM est. Come and see why I've continued to play this great game... http://ahevents.org/ahear-related/ahear-league.html
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Mathis
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I have but one sentance for all the negative posters:
Quit complaining or one day they will give you something to complain about, IE: no game.
:uhoh
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I have but one sentance for all the negative posters:
Quit complaining or one day they will give you something to complain about, IE: no game.
:uhoh
i have not seen you in a long time. how you been bro
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fine thanks killz, I'm around couple of times a week either on 171 nits or in the DA. Hope you (and everyone) had a good holiday, and more so i hope we see another fine year of air combat simulation provided for us by those crazy texas folk. :pray
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Its happening a lot more often, and not just to me. With overall subscriptions off by at least 10% and a lot of people on the fence I hope the powers that be will take a good hard look at tweaking what they can. An awful lot of good players are on there last leg with things....
I can empathise with this as I to am finding myself logging off. I say this as a long time subscriber (2002) and as a strat player. Interested to know where you get the 10% figure.....insider trading?
Being a strat player I'm not seeking the holy grail of the elusive one v one. By stating that I hope to emphasize in general and not the usuale furballers whine. I see the MA for the multi contact situations that it's ALWAYS been. So having said that, one has to remember things work in cycles in AH. Team size / dominance, style of play, types of planes used, squads of notoriety, mission leaders and folk actually do come and go. These all cycle through with some aspects lasting longer than others. Rooks presently, as an example, are in a transition stage. Sadly a dumbing down on a strategic level and to some extent skill.
I find myself logging off mostly due to lack of challenges with some reasons being attributed to game play / style. Being a vet player some of the challenges are no longer a thrill. Some of the challenges were made pointless. Some of the challenges are a chore and quite frankly someone elses bloody turn :lol.
Peak time hoards are becoming irksome now. One skilless wave of suiciders followed by another. One bunch here another there and a lack of defenders. Yer... mission goers love it and it's arguable a good training exercise but alas I have been purged of such thoughts and tactics many years ago. Disappointingly players of long standing still doing the "Nintendo". Bomb an bail, pork and auger, suicide runs, Lancstukas of towns, Cv's and the poor old Gv players. As for players that bail rather than fight .....ffs.
I hope not to be reduced to a whiny vet player. To used to it all and remembering the good ol days. I could sit here retyping ideas about game play, ways to tweak this an that and the score but to what avail. This after all is someone elses business. Their prolly more concerned about the look of the dated graphics. They have to attract new subscribers to replace the old in the next decade.
With there being only seven days in the week and HTC's limited resources we'll have to wait our turn for updated strat system and tweaks on scoring, ack etc. Remembering they can't code out stupidity unfortunately.
As for me and my rented space I think I'll be watching a little more TV untill this cycle settles down though. :aok
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Still can't figure out what the "problems" are that some people have with the game.
Maybe its just burn out. Granted things happen... Collisions, rams, HO's, etc. But I'm sure its always been part of AH and I'm sure it always will be.
It just may seem to happen more often as I'm sure there are way more people playing nowadays compared to "the old days".
If your not happy with AH, take a break from it and come back. If you still don't like it then don't play.
Seems like a simple solution.
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Most if not all of the negative posters agree that the game needs to be "tweeked", but I haven't heard from any of them WHAT needs to be tweeked. Give us some examples.
These are my major beefs with the game:
1.The scoring system awards a player more points for bombing a building then a moving, manned target such as a flak panzer or tank. I ask you what takes more skill?
2.The same amount of points are awarded to a pilot for a air to air kill if it's a one on one fight or a 20 to one fight. In other words, if I up a pony from a capped field where I'm the only one there with 20 bad guys and manage to kill 2 and land, I get the same points as the bad guy pony that kills me twice. What takes more skill?
3.People hiding in base and town ack are awarded kills even though they never fired at shot at the downed plane.
4.The collision model:IF THERE IS A COLLISION, BOTH PLANES SHOULD TAKE DAMAGE....PERIOD.
5.Ho shots are awarded same points as the ACM aquired kills.
6.I'd like to see anything from the wish list threads made a reality. There's never a response one way or another from HTC on any of the suggestions.
7.Duel accounts should never be allowed.I know making money is what a business is all about, but shade accounts take away from the honest players.
8.If I shoot 3 guys down with my bombers, spending all my ammo, they are able to up from same field endlessly until they kill my no ammo damaged bomber. If they go down they shouldn't be allowed to up from that field for a set time period....IMO.
I could probably go on but this is just a few things that come to mind right now. :salute
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4.The collision model:IF THERE IS A COLLISION, BOTH PLANES SHOULD TAKE DAMAGE....PERIOD.
:rofl ... that's how it does work ... but only if BOTH planes collide on each of the players screens.
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:rofl ... that's how it does work ... but only if BOTH planes collide on each of the players screens.
:rofl :rofl damn got to it before I did. :aok
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8.If I shoot 3 guys down with my bombers, spending all my ammo, they are able to up from same field endlessly until they kill my no ammo damaged bomber. If they go down they shouldn't be allowed to up from that field for a set time period....IMO.
Why do you get 3 buffs and I only get one fighter? I think I should get 2 co alt air spawns from the closest base after being shot down.
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Most if not all of the negative posters agree that the game needs to be "tweeked", but I haven't heard from any of them WHAT needs to be tweeked. Give us some examples.
These are my major beefs with the game:
1.The scoring system awards a player more points for bombing a building then a moving, manned target such as a flak panzer or tank. I ask you what takes more skill?
Not really. For scoring, there are different scoring categries for killing objects and killing "people". Thus you can't directly compare them. For perk points, I can get MUCH more perks from killing players than killing objects.
2.The same amount of points are awarded to a pilot for a air to air kill if it's a one on one fight or a 20 to one fight. In other words, if I up a pony from a capped field where I'm the only one there with 20 bad guys and manage to kill 2 and land, I get the same points as the bad guy pony that kills me twice. What takes more skill?
3.People hiding in base and town ack are awarded kills even though they never fired at shot at the downed plane.
I have no problem about that. Don't get into ack and you won't get shot down. Also players depending on ack to get kills are not getting much of them at all. And third: A ack proxy kill get's you no perks and lousy single kill point for score, which is absolutely negigible
4.The collision model:IF THERE IS A COLLISION, BOTH PLANES SHOULD TAKE DAMAGE....PERIOD.
In other words: You wishing for a model in which ramming would really work and almost be impossible to dodge.
After more than 2 years (at least) of playing you still don't get why it is the way it is now, and what would happen if "both take damage"? geeez
I would bet almost any amount of money you would be the first to jump the BBS again if this would ever be implemented...
5.Ho shots are awarded same points as the ACM aquired kills.
A true HO in fighter combat means both players went for it. I have a hard time yelling "you suck" at my opponent when I offered him this opportunity myself.
BTW, front quarter shots in a dogfight are no HO's
And how would the program determine the "quality" of a kill and thus the points awarded from it?
6.I'd like to see anything from the wish list threads made a reality. There's never a response one way or another from HTC on any of the suggestions.
Total nonsense. Many wishes were made reality. It's just that not evrything comes true. And while hoping for some more response myself sometimes, I can understand the reason for HTC why not to comment on wishes.
7.Duel accounts should never be allowed.I know making money is what a business is all about, but shade accounts take away from the honest players.
What about the many players here paying also for an extra account for their kids? You are simply assuming all "dual" accounts are just shades.. which isn't true at all. Also, someone really interested in "spying" and luching his shade won't be stopped at all, there are much more options than paying for a second account. Will only hurt honest players.
8.If I shoot 3 guys down with my bombers, spending all my ammo, they are able to up from same field endlessly until they kill my no ammo damaged bomber. If they go down they shouldn't be allowed to up from that field for a set time period....IMO.
In some way, I often wish it that way myself...but then I have to realize that the MA isn't the place for that kind of gameplay realism. That's why we have scenarios & FSO
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Uptown
Be carefull of what you wish for because you may just get it. I'll explain. Before the arena split some of the more verbal BB's posters whined on about hoards and how one guy could strat pork a field on his own. Fuel down to 25%, no troops or ords and even totally de-ack a small field on his own.
So we get more strat targets and lots more ack which in turn made the hoards EVEN BIGGER .....a fact seldom recognised by those of frequent whines about hoards.
In my opinion certain aspects of play could to be tweaked to encourage conflict. Such as the strat system. I did submit an idea about a month back but can't be arsed to find it to copy paste.
Other aspects need to be discouraged such as Lancstukering and deliberate suiciding. This could be done both in the score / perk system and introducing a time clause on bombers and or what field they up from for that particular suicider.
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.If I shoot 3 guys down with my bombers, spending all my ammo, they are able to up from same field endlessly until they kill my no ammo damaged bomber. If they go down they shouldn't be allowed to up from that field for a set time period....IMO.
In some way, I often wish it that way myself...but then I have to realize that the MA isn't the place for that kind of gameplay realism. That's why we have scenarios & FSO
If your bombers are at alt. you should be out of the area way before someone can re-launch and climb up to you.
Now if your doing the low level dive bombing thing ..... I believe that's another complaint that's been brought up about game play.
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The game is waaaay different from what it was 7+ years ago when I signed up. Some bad, some good but all in all its still just a game. I dont care how "pretty" AH2 is, AH1 was the game. I think if more of the "furballers", self proclaimed or otherwise, wanted to fight they should go to the MW arena and leave the base taking to the guys in the LW MA's... I left for a while and came back to see 300+ people in any one of the LW arena's at a given time. I have yet to see what I would call a good furball. Maybe I haven't been back long enough... But a year ago it was still the same. But then again the furballs that used to be...5 years ago... Probably will never be again. But the midwar thing is close enough for me to keep me loggin in for now.
Other than that, taking a break is always a good idea after a long hump. :D
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I can empathise with this as I to am finding myself logging off. I say this as a long time subscriber (2002) and as a strat player. Interested to know where you get the 10% figure.....insider trading?
Being a strat player I'm not seeking the holy grail of the elusive one v one. By stating that I hope to emphasize in general and not the usuale furballers whine. I see the MA for the multi contact situations that it's ALWAYS been. So having said that, one has to remember things work in cycles in AH. Team size / dominance, style of play, types of planes used, squads of notoriety, mission leaders and folk actually do come and go. These all cycle through with some aspects lasting longer than others. Rooks presently, as an example, are in a transition stage. Sadly a dumbing down on a strategic level and to some extent skill.
I find myself logging off mostly due to lack of challenges with some reasons being attributed to game play / style. Being a vet player some of the challenges are no longer a thrill. Some of the challenges were made pointless. Some of the challenges are a chore and quite frankly someone Else's bloody turn :lol.
Peak time hoards are becoming irksome now. One skilless wave of suiciders followed by another. One bunch here another there and a lack of defenders. Yer... mission goers love it and it's arguable a good training exercise but alas I have been purged of such thoughts and tactics many years ago. Disappointingly players of long standing still doing the "Nintendo". Bomb an bail, pork and auger, suicide runs, Lancstukas of towns, Cv's and the poor old Gv players. As for players that bail rather than fight .....ffs.
I hope not to be reduced to a whiny vet player. To used to it all and remembering the good ol days. I could sit here retyping ideas about game play, ways to tweak this an that and the score but to what avail. This after all is someone Else's business. Their prolly more concerned about the look of the dated graphics. They have to attract new subscribers to replace the old in the next decade.
With there being only seven days in the week and HTC's limited resources we'll have to wait our turn for updated strat system and tweaks on scoring, ack etc. Remembering they can't code out stupidity unfortunately.
As for me and my rented space I think I'll be watching a little more TV untill this cycle settles down though. :aok
You make some salient points Lynx. I would like to just address the tactics and strategy. For every offensive there is a counter measure. When we, bishops, run a mission I often think to myself what would I do to counter this type of mission. Now I'm not going to give any hints here but I find more and more that just hard nosed playing works quite well. I noticed on one of the maps the rooks sent a horde to take 8. Tyhies, p51s, buffs, and the whole gambit. What did we do? We upped ILIIs, LA7s and who knows what else led by Ghi, and joined by my squadies, and just displayed hard nosed combat. They tried for about 2 hours to get that base. Can't tell you how many times they bombed the place flat. It was a blast for both sides. On our side we often do what my squad calls In-Your-Face missions (Gosh I am experiencing Deja Vu). Now you know they see it coming. However, they do little about it. What I think is happening is that they say to themselves gosh I can't get to 20k in my favorite plane so they move on to another field. As Dadsguns, my CO, has said, so many times that basically we are using their own egos against them. I don't condemn the Rooks or the Knits. They are both worthy opponents. If it's like the Bish though then you seem to have arenas with what I call the bad bish and arenas with what I call the good bish. I always try to fly with the good bish and hope the bad bish come onboard. They're not really bad but probably new to the game or have a different philosophy about game play. Personally I like to see, besides my mates, Rain000, Rob53, Rusty007, Fryman, Papy, Gruesome, Ghi, and many others on. They always seem to be where the action is and almost always do the right thing. More importantly they are team players. Additionally they are just genuine good folks. I am willing to bet the Knits and Rooks have noticed the same thing on their side of the fence.
Just my .02. Hope I'm not too far off the subject.
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lol you not only sound like a Bish, but a base taking Win Teh War Bish at that. I hate to stereotype but dam.
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lol you not only sound like a Bish, but a base taking Win Teh War Bish at that. I hate to stereotype but dam.
If you are referring to me. You be right! Can't same that I'm ashamed of that nor should I be. However, I like to do it all depending on my mood. Whether that be bombing, gv'ing, jabo, or flying a fighter. I guess mostly I like the strategy of the game in every aspect.
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If you are referring to me. You be right! Can't same that I'm ashamed of that nor should I be. However, I like to do it all depending on my mood. Whether that be bombing, gv'ing, jabo, or flying a fighter. I guess mostly I like the strategy of the game in every aspect.
OK so you like strategy. Set AH2 up this way then. Front line fields are nothing but fighter or attack birds. Second layer fields hold the mediums and fighters. Furthest back hold the heavies and escort fighters.
The further you 'invade' the further your heavies have to go as do the mediums. You can't take and hold a field with only a paratroop drop. You have to get ground forces there to take and hold it. If the ground forces don't make it the paratroops are overrun and you have to start over.
Again the further you go, the more difficult this gets as your supply lines and heavy bomber support have to go further. Make sure there is a nice "Channel" of water between all countries so getting on to the other guys continent and getting a foot hold is tougher.
Then come talk strategy.
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The ongoing divide between people here about how to play the game is coherant with human nature as a whole. Infact it would be easy to go as far as saying the aceshigh community is exactly the same as the world's politics and conflicts in the current climate. Nobody will give in. Everyone has their own agenda to argue for. Most people wont allow others to follow their own agenda without bothering them about it.
There are distinct and powerfull alliances between those people who share roughly the same game ethics. Or at least close enough game ethics to form unions in opposition to any person or people whose game ethics stray to far beyond the line.
These countries within a game forum are constantly over lapping, disputing territory and beliefs without ever coming to satisfactory outcomes that always incite the defeated to rise again stronger. Our currency is opinion.... and as with any currency the opinionated only become more so as the rest are crowded out of the picture.
I mean christ, we even have people here who would willingly sacrifice their cartoon life over and over for the greater cause. That is a little too metaphorical for comfort right now.
But when we look at the human race right now, there are common constants that remain steadfast through the ages that no one can deny. Doesnt matter if you are a terrorists hiding in a hole or a millionaire sitting in the jacuzi, you love to laugh with good company, you cry when you endure great loss or hardship. You welcome warmth and shelter and nurishment and good health and all feel the same pain no matter which god or ideal you will die for. We all enjoy the game for the same vague reasons when it comes down to it. Friendship, laughs and a bit of cartoon combat to keep us from killing each other.
Above all things humans share is the need to feel that we belong somewhere or to something. We have our place. We are greeting the next day another step closer to where we want to be, or sitting there already with a smug grin and an old body to nurse to the final sleep. The need belong coupled with our different cultures and creeds is the cause of conflict globaly, along with currency. Same applies with us dweebs and the economic state of opinons round here is booming, hence the global forum confilct that never ceases. If we here could all evolve beyond the level of the human race at present and actualy learn to co-exist in harmony, we might even notice how similar we all are. What an example to the rest of the world we might even be.lol.
Happy New Year everyone, and for ****'s sake stop ruining this great game
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OK so you like strategy. Set AH2 up this way then. Front line fields are nothing but fighter or attack birds. Second layer fields hold the mediums and fighters. Furthest back hold the heavies and escort fighters.
The further you 'invade' the further your heavies have to go as do the mediums. You can't take and hold a field with only a paratroop drop. You have to get ground forces there to take and hold it. If the ground forces don't make it the paratroops are overrun and you have to start over.
Again the further you go, the more difficult this gets as your supply lines and heavy bomber support have to go further. Make sure there is a nice "Channel" of water between all countries so getting on to the other guys continent and getting a foot hold is tougher.
Then come talk strategy.
We work with what's in place. If the above happens we'll work with that.
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Trotter had an excellent post that sort of addresses this topic a while back.
He asked if there was any desire for role-playing in Aces High; sort of like WoW or something I suppose.
He was roundly shouted down by the community. We don't need no stinking role playing here!
Yet, I have to wonder if there's something to that idea. What's the hook to Aces High? The fight? The base capture? Do you ever really "win" anything.
You up, you die. Every month you are born again. There is no persistence. The only victories are the satisfaction of feeling that you are somehow improving.
It's fun for a time, but eventually you come to realize that your burning time for the sake of burning time. I've been on two years now and I have a bank of perks and some fond memories to show for it. That's it. No logbook. No uber-level 10 fighter pilot character. No cool virtual scarf or aim-bot.
And then, when more and more often you up to see some clown auger into the radar for the billionth time, or a great "mishun" where we're taking up Russian Il-2s, Brit Typhoons, US Ponies, and German FW-190s, I start to wonder how this is the "premier online WW2 experience".
Suspension of disbelief? Indeed.
If you're asking for a solution, I don't have one. But, when the business plan is to recruit a new bunch of virtual fliers every two years or so when the 'vets' burn out...well, this is what you get.
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Its happening a lot more often, and not just to me. With overall subscriptions off by at least 10% and a lot of people on the fence I hope the powers that be will take a good hard look at tweaking what they can. An awful lot of good players are on there last leg with things....
!!S!! Humble... I have left the game for ww2 online...Although not a perfect sim it is a real combat sim....U can play anything from navy to air army u name it... Towed arty pieces .. Infantry can have mortars...Tanks are way more real... U have to earn ur rank to get better stuff...iT IS A REAL MAP OF WW2 AXIS AND ALLIES.....Some wars last for 6 months..The downside is that they dont have an in game vox ,but they have a massive axis and ally TS server...It is the real deal...Aces high has nothing on them but the same old boring routine...Same base structure same boring rooks nits, bish...WW2 online needs an upgrade but the whole strategy and immersion into a real WW2 type battle is all there and blows HTC out of the water...I was in a mass airborne raid today that had more troops than most htc servers lol...Troops that were real people not AI tards running in a strait line with 45s they don't use lmfao...Oh and the goon was a real virtual pilot also :salute
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...Aces high has nothing on them but ...
Air Combat. Take it or leave it.
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!!S!! Humble... I have left the game for ww2 online...Although not a perfect sim it is a real combat sim....U can play anything from navy to air army u name it... Towed arty pieces .. Infantry can have mortars...Tanks are way more real... U have to earn ur rank to get better stuff...iT IS A REAL MAP OF WW2 AXIS AND ALLIES.....Some wars last for 6 months..The downside is that they dont have an in game vox ,but they have a massive axis and ally TS server...It is the real deal...Aces high has nothing on them but the same old boring routine...Same base structure same boring rooks nits, bish...WW2 online needs an upgrade but the whole strategy and immersion into a real WW2 type battle is all there and blows HTC out of the water...I was in a mass airborne raid today that had more troops than most htc servers lol...Troops that were real people not AI tards running in a strait line with 45s they don't use lmfao...Oh and the goon was a real virtual pilot also :salute
Oh I might add that Htc is a better flight sim only if all u want to do is furball :salute
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Oh I might add that Htc is a better flight sim only if all u want to do is furball :salute
Hence the name, Aces High :rolleyes:
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Air Combat. Take it or leave it.
Right if ur stuck in the easy mode u are right....It is hard to spot cons in WW2 online...U dont get an automatic icon that is bright red at 6k... Also u have to manually trim ur plane :confused: There is no combat trim :uhoh There is no stall limiter :uhoh There is no super human view out ur 6 o'clock view :uhoh ,But u can straff down real troops do real types of CAS Close air support :uhoh Yes the flying part is much more challenging, It is not stuck on xbox live mode...
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The ongoing divide between people here about how to play the game is coherant with human nature as a whole. Infact it would be easy to go as far as saying the aceshigh community is exactly the same as the world's politics and conflicts in the current climate. Nobody will give in. Everyone has their own agenda to argue for. Most people wont allow others to follow their own agenda without bothering them about it.
There are distinct and powerfull alliances between those people who share roughly the same game ethics. Or at least close enough game ethics to form unions in opposition to any person or people whose game ethics stray to far beyond the line.
These countries within a game forum are constantly over lapping, disputing territory and beliefs without ever coming to satisfactory outcomes that always incite the defeated to rise again stronger. Our currency is opinion.... and as with any currency the opinionated only become more so as the rest are crowded out of the picture.
I mean christ, we even have people here who would willingly sacrifice their cartoon life over and over for the greater cause. That is a little too metaphorical for comfort right now.
But when we look at the human race right now, there are common constants that remain steadfast through the ages that no one can deny. Doesnt matter if you are a terrorists hiding in a hole or a millionaire sitting in the jacuzi, you love to laugh with good company, you cry when you endure great loss or hardship. You welcome warmth and shelter and nurishment and good health and all feel the same pain no matter which god or ideal you will die for. We all enjoy the game for the same vague reasons when it comes down to it. Friendship, laughs and a bit of cartoon combat to keep us from killing each other.
Above all things humans share is the need to feel that we belong somewhere or to something. We have our place. We are greeting the next day another step closer to where we want to be, or sitting there already with a smug grin and an old body to nurse to the final sleep. The need belong coupled with our different cultures and creeds is the cause of conflict globaly, along with currency. Same applies with us dweebs and the economic state of opinons round here is booming, hence the global forum confilct that never ceases. If we here could all evolve beyond the level of the human race at present and actualy learn to co-exist in harmony, we might even notice how similar we all are. What an example to the rest of the world we might even be.lol.
Happy New Year everyone, and for ****'s sake stop ruining this great game
Excellent analogy little Grasshopper...you may get to see "30" yet...oh yeah..best to ya in the New Year. :)
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Right if ur stuck in the easy mode u are right....It is hard to spot cons in WW2 online...U dont get an automatic icon that is bright red at 6k... Also u have to manually trim ur plane :confused: There is no combat trim :uhoh There is no stall limiter :uhoh There is no super human view out ur 6 o'clock view :uhoh ,But u can straff down real troops do real types of CAS Close air support :uhoh Yes the flying part is much more challenging, It is not stuck on xbox live mode...
Then go play WW2OL.
I don't have the system to play it.
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Right if ur stuck in the easy mode u are right....It is hard to spot cons in WW2 online...U dont get an automatic icon that is bright red at 6k... Also u have to manually trim ur plane :confused: There is no combat trim :uhoh There is no stall limiter :uhoh There is no super human view out ur 6 o'clock view :uhoh ,But u can straff down real troops do real types of CAS Close air support :uhoh Yes the flying part is much more challenging, It is not stuck on xbox live mode...
Lan is that you?
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Overall I think the game is ran well. Overall AH does so with a minimum of control but thats also the sign of a good game, that the Players Police themselves.
If you want "perfection" them you have the wrong primate. I know that to many lately HO, or try to HO, on the initial merge but I just dont know how to stop that. Its really no problem but its usually accompanied by some kind of ganging behavior. Again? How do you stop that in the MAs?
My only answer is to stop worrying about score and become more concerned with quality fighting. Often I have flown at my best just surviving against the horde and using their greed against them. But in the end its just not a big deal if my cartoon vehicle gets blowed up.
Its just a game. Most of my pleasure is taken from the history aspect of Aces High.
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Same old moan why can't the game be like the way I want it :mad: It is what it is make the most of what we have go fly or do something else. When I see people complain of a lack of variety & then you see they do nothing else but fly one ride or drive one tank you only have your selves to blame.
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Then go play WW2OL.
I don't have the system to play it.
Well I am playing it :aok I was just letting people no there are other things out there besides Aces Cry...People who get tired of the same old toejam should try it out is all I am saying :salute The same old super x box version of a flight sim :salute
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Same old moan why can't the game be like the way I want it :mad: It is what it is make the most of what we have go fly or do something else. When I see people complain of a lack of variety & then you see they do nothing else but fly one ride or drive one tank you only have your selves to blame.
:rofl u can fly all the diff crap in this game but......... It is the same ole thing over and over and overrrrrrr again with no real purpose but to furball.... The real name of this game should be repetitions high :P The solid Xbox version :rock Or do u prefer The Playstation version?
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Why do you get 3 buffs and I only get one fighter? I think I should get 2 co alt air spawns from the closest base after being shot down.
:rofl you dweeb
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:rofl ... that's how it does work ... but only if BOTH planes collide on each of the players screens.
Must be a internet thing because I don't understand that. You mean to tell me a computer cant compute that if I got rammed the other guy wasn't in the collision? Sounds like cyber BS to me. :salute
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Must be a internet thing because I don't understand that. You mean to tell me a computer cant compute that if I got rammed the other guy wasn't in the collision? Sounds like cyber BS to me. :salute
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4 planes in a 1 on 1 not 2.
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4 planes in a 1 on 1 not 2.
Good lord know I'm really confused :huh
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Must be a internet thing because I don't understand that. You mean to tell me a computer cant compute that if I got rammed the other guy wasn't in the collision? Sounds like cyber BS to me. :salute
Did youl ever tried to actually read the explanation in the various collision threads or on the Aces High Training Corps homepage?
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Did youl ever tried to actually read the explanation in the various collision threads or on the Aces High Training Corps homepage?
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/confused0006.gif)I'll get back to ya on that one :salute
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Must be a internet thing because I don't understand that. You mean to tell me a computer cant compute that if I got rammed the other guy wasn't in the collision? Sounds like cyber BS to me. :salute
So what your saying is you dive through a furball, and some hoser NIK turns into you for the big HO maneuver, you see this and being the better cartoon pilot kick rudder and do a tight barrel roll and watch that HOin NIK pass right over your canopy and.... BANG, your in the tower because he collided with you on his computer. Oh ya, that would work out sooooo much better. Due to that quarter second lag between your two computers he didn't see your awesome move and so collided. Are ya sure you'd like it better that way?
Until the internet connection becomes "faster than light" fast, what we have is about the best your going to get.
Half of your suggestions had to do with points. I think the "bad game play" is DUE TO POINTS ! Everyone is all out after points so they do what ever it takes. That means divebombing lancs, stukas dropping 1 big old bomb on strat then bailing, HOin as many planes as you can get before you get shot down, spawn camp as many GVs as you can before the camp gets busted and so on. You want to play with points???? how about 25 points to take a base.... divided amongst the players in the mission. 5 guys take a base = 5 points each, a horde of 50 = half a point each. If people want the points they will figure out how to plan missions with less guys, or split their hordes into a couple of strike forces to earn more points.
Kills, 5 points per kill, 2 1/2 if you ditch, 1 if you die. Doesn't matter what your flying, or driving. You put enough rounds into a target you get the kill. No more proxies, you crash, you die, you up a new toy thats it, no points, no name in lights for the other guy who just happens to be close enough to laugh at your "technique".
If you have to have ranks, base it ONLY on the points, not hit percentages, not k/d, not things that can be tweaked. Sure this will make it lopsided toward those that have no life other than AH. Award the ranks on a curve as compared with time in game.
This game was a blast EVERY night when most of the people only cared about the fight. Fights in GVs, 1 vs 1 in fighters, even the fight for territory was big, but that is what is was all about, the fight. Thats why you logged in, it was to fight, not to "build your points in a buff tonight because Im slipping back", no body cared. Lets get back to fighting, which ever fight you like, do it. I would love to see the score page get shut down for a month....... how much to get Skuzzy to trip over that wire?
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Trotter had an excellent post that sort of addresses this topic a while back.
He asked if there was any desire for role-playing in Aces High; sort of like WoW or something I suppose.
He was roundly shouted down by the community. We don't need no stinking role playing here!
Yet, I have to wonder if there's something to that idea. What's the hook to Aces High? The fight? The base capture? Do you ever really "win" anything.
You up, you die. Every month you are born again. There is no persistence. The only victories are the satisfaction of feeling that you are somehow improving.
It's fun for a time, but eventually you come to realize that your burning time for the sake of burning time. I've been on two years now and I have a bank of perks and some fond memories to show for it. That's it. No logbook. No uber-level 10 fighter pilot character. No cool virtual scarf or aim-bot.
And then, when more and more often you up to see some clown auger into the radar for the billionth time, or a great "mishun" where we're taking up Russian Il-2s, Brit Typhoons, US Ponies, and German FW-190s, I start to wonder how this is the "premier online WW2 experience".
Suspension of disbelief? Indeed.
If you're asking for a solution, I don't have one. But, when the business plan is to recruit a new bunch of virtual fliers every two years or so when the 'vets' burn out...well, this is what you get.
I commend this post to the house....ere ere!
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The game is waaaay different from what it was 7+ years ago when I signed up. Some bad, some good but all in all its still just a game. I dont care how "pretty" AH2 is, AH1 was the game. I think if more of the "furballers", self proclaimed or otherwise, wanted to fight they should go to the MW arena and leave the base taking to the guys in the LW MA's... I left for a while and came back to see 300+ people in any one of the LW arena's at a given time. I have yet to see what I would call a good furball. Maybe I haven't been back long enough... But a year ago it was still the same. But then again the furballs that used to be...5 years ago... Probably will never be again. But the midwar thing is close enough for me to keep me loggin in for now.
Other than that, taking a break is always a good idea after a long hump. :D
Yeah Morph, I've been around a few years too. I remember when I first joined after a friend showed me the game, the only thing going was really the fights. After that first night I probably spent the next week playing until 4 in the morning and surfing the net for every resource I could find about dogfighting and playing the game. A "hoarde" might've been four or five guys on a squad going after a base
I think what really changed was when subscriptions really picked up, now you had a bunch of guys logging on who couldn't play but found a flock of others who couldn't really play either and the hoarde was born because there was no reason to improve. But I think over time players gain skills and become weary of the hoarde and start seeking out air combat more. They are replaced by the next batch of new guys who in due course join the hoarde.
I'll admit that I fly the hoarde too at times just to socialize with some of my other friends who are in it, but being in a crowd of 30 circling a base is kind of comical actually, especially rolling undefended bases and hearing all the "Yaaay's" when it goes green. Then there's the unfortunate soul dropping troops for the first time......on the field. Or the 10 guys all blasting away at the one upper and getting upset about getting killshot. HA! I almost forgot about that one poor SOB who gets hammered by that suicidal 190 blasting through the hoardepack and then crying about not getting a check six. I've got news for ya bud, everyone else was afk surfing pron but you, that's why you died, that and your inability to look behind you every once in awhile. Not to mention some of the more sloshed find comfort in the hoarde and enjoy speaking in tongues over range channel. The acm skill level of the average player has dropped dramatically in the past few years, unfortunately many will never know what they are missing.
But the new guys who are just happy to be up and flying without getting their butts shot off in 45 seconds dig the horde and so it is. The only thing I think really slows hoarding and promotes fights is small maps with fewer fields, that way the game play is more concentrated and the hoarde becomes a dogfight just because it has nowhere else to go. Just my personal observation.
All that being said I can always find a real fight when I want to, that hasn't ever changed for the most part. To your point, those were some really great furballs back in the day, and they didn't have to be conjured up by "fightertowns" and such. Still a great game, don't get to play it enough.
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I like the guys I fly with. The squadrons Ive flown with and continue to fly with. I like the squad I'm on now. I like the Rooks, respect a lot of the Bish and Nits, love the TA and training resources. And I'm nuts about the history the flight sim is based on.
Thats enough for me. Thats all I want from the game and well worth the $15 a month I pay. I dont use the game to sour puss all the other things in life that dont go my way. To me the game is the escape from all that. I like teaming up with good folks and flying my cartoon WW-ll combat planes.
Thats enough. Thats plenty. :salute
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Right if ur stuck in the easy mode u are right....It is hard to spot cons in WW2 online...U dont get an automatic icon that is bright red at 6k... Also u have to manually trim ur plane :confused: There is no combat trim :uhoh There is no stall limiter :uhoh There is no super human view out ur 6 o'clock view :uhoh ,But u can straff down real troops do real types of CAS Close air support :uhoh Yes the flying part is much more challenging, It is not stuck on xbox live mode...
Hey, dont forget, there's also a bogus FM. All the realism micro management gimmicks are no substitute. The only xbox live BS is over in WWIIOL. Dont even bother starting an argument over this... It's not a matter of fanboy-ism, it's just no contest between the two, as far as air combat is concerned. (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/confused0006.gif)I'll get back to ya on that one :salute
There is such a thing as a universal speed limit in this universe. HTC cant code their way around that; or even internet traffic jams for that matter.
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Why I love the AvA when there's people in it (which there has been lately) historical matchups and player quality is usually better
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Or the 10 guys all blasting away at the one upper and getting upset about getting killshot.
Sometimes I wish killshot was disabled, I would shoot the noob that comes diving in on a red guy I have been in combat with and working hard to stay on his tail to get the shot.
I may get 400 to 600 off and here comes noobie swooping in from above between red guy and me just as I am about to pull the trigger. Or you look back and there are 20 other green guys shooting over your shoulder tracers all around. Not only does it look ridiculous there is always someone back there crying " I just died from a killshot because you got in my way." If i see a 1v1 I usually well tell countryman I well stay out unless you ask for help. Look at my score you can see I play for fun not score. Being a real life pilot and a real life flight instructor has not helped my cartoon flying abilities at all but I still have fun. Wish they would activate the RV-8 again, not a person in the game could touch me in it as a RV-6 is my real life personal airplane. (I know not WW authentic)
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I'm fairly new to the world of computers so I don't know how the internet works or ever really wanted to take the time to learn. I do understand now though about why the collision model is the way it is, but it still sucks IMO. In my list of gripes about the game....well I'm not saying they can or should be fixed, but are just things I question sometimes. I don't claim to be right or know all the answers. It's just some of my dislikes about the game. But my list of likes is alot longer :) When the game quits being fun, I'll quit. :salute
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The ongoing divide between people here about how to play the game is coherant with human nature as a whole. Infact it would be easy to go as far as saying the aceshigh community is exactly the same as the world's politics and conflicts in the current climate. Nobody will give in. Everyone has their own agenda to argue for. Most people wont allow others to follow their own agenda without bothering them about it.
There are distinct and powerfull alliances between those people who share roughly the same game ethics. Or at least close enough game ethics to form unions in opposition to any person or people whose game ethics stray to far beyond the line.
These countries within a game forum are constantly over lapping, disputing territory and beliefs without ever coming to satisfactory outcomes that always incite the defeated to rise again stronger. Our currency is opinion.... and as with any currency the opinionated only become more so as the rest are crowded out of the picture.
I mean christ, we even have people here who would willingly sacrifice their cartoon life over and over for the greater cause. That is a little too metaphorical for comfort right now.
But when we look at the human race right now, there are common constants that remain steadfast through the ages that no one can deny. Doesnt matter if you are a terrorists hiding in a hole or a millionaire sitting in the jacuzi, you love to laugh with good company, you cry when you endure great loss or hardship. You welcome warmth and shelter and nurishment and good health and all feel the same pain no matter which god or ideal you will die for. We all enjoy the game for the same vague reasons when it comes down to it. Friendship, laughs and a bit of cartoon combat to keep us from killing each other.
Above all things humans share is the need to feel that we belong somewhere or to something. We have our place. We are greeting the next day another step closer to where we want to be, or sitting there already with a smug grin and an old body to nurse to the final sleep. The need belong coupled with our different cultures and creeds is the cause of conflict globaly, along with currency. Same applies with us dweebs and the economic state of opinons round here is booming, hence the global forum confilct that never ceases. If we here could all evolve beyond the level of the human race at present and actualy learn to co-exist in harmony, we might even notice how similar we all are. What an example to the rest of the world we might even be.lol.
Happy New Year everyone, and for ****'s sake stop ruining this great game
pass me a tissue that has to be one of the best posts i've ever read :cry
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Some interesting comments....
1st off. I've been here since beta and have watched the game evolve (and IMO devolve at times) during its entire public life. My initial post is nothing other than an observation, it is not a condemnation of a particular side, person, squad or style of play. It grew out of a conversation on squad channel that surprisingly revealed that every single person on at that time was either on the verge of or seriously contemplating canceling their subscription. I do not ever voice my discontent on squad vox...I was amazed when someone else actually commented that they were leaving at the end of the current tour what the responses were.
I have no issues with those that want to play the current version of AH, I simply view it as a waste of time. You need look no farther then the thread below on "who is better" naming two squads who symbolize (IMO) literally everything wrong with the current game play...
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I commend this post to the house....ere ere!
I second that lynx.
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It grew out of a conversation on squad channel that surprisingly revealed that every single person on at that time was either on the verge of or seriously contemplating canceling their subscription.
Hopefully none of my British Brothers!
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snap i was commenting on the state of the furball/toolshed debate not really your OP, sorry for the hijack man :)
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Bat,
Not a hijack at all and a very well thought out commentary.
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Hey, dont forget, there's also a bogus FM. All the realism micro management gimmicks are no substitute. The only xbox live BS is over in WWIIOL. Dont even bother starting an argument over this... It's not a matter of fanboy-ism, it's just no contest between the two, as far as air combat is concerned.There is such a thing as a universal speed limit in this universe. HTC cant code their way around that; or even internet traffic jams for that matter.
Well moot maybe u should try it out for more than an hour... Aces high flight model is a little better...But if a guy wants a little less of a super cartoon experience try it..Although when u land kills u will not have ur name up in lights... U wont be able to see bright red icons from 6k out anymore...If u get tired of flying u could grab a soldier of your choice and take a real cartoon town on a real map..Oh well darn u will also have to fly an ally aircraft or an axis aircraft .No more las nikis temps ponys....Like I said earlier if a guy just wants to wonder around aimlessly and really not accomplish much Aces High is the game for u...Or if a person just enjoys furballing aces High all the way...
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Lan go back... go back now.
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I have no issues with those that want to play the current version of AH, I simply view it as a waste of time. You need look no farther then the thread below on "who is better" naming two squads who symbolize (IMO) literally everything wrong with the current game play...
I was assuming the OPer was making a joke at the expense of those squads.But all that aside, what is your beef about AH2? With all due respect Snaphook, you really haven't said anything about what you think the problem is.
Is it that you can't get a good 1v1 when you're flying a SBD,TBM, or a A20? I've read about all your past posts and that seems to be what I'm getting out of them. Are you pissed that noobs are handing you your arse?I think that's the problem right there. Fly something that you can fight with.
The 1st thing that comes to mind when I see one of those planes is "here comes the noob".Granted, too many will gang the poor guy flying it, I'll give you that. But my point is you're always flying a pocket knife into a gun fight and then cry about how you got swarmed.It's like throwing a T-bone in with pitbulls.
I've always enjoyed fighting your A20.It always taught me something and I don't I ever came out of it with atleast a blackeye or shot down.You're a helluva stick..we all know that.
All you old timers from AW complain about how the game has evolved. Maybe you guys need to evolve with it.If you don't like getting ganged or picked, get off the deck and fly a dogfighter. :salute
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I like the guys I fly with. The squadrons Ive flown with and continue to fly with. I like the squad I'm on now. I like the Rooks, respect a lot of the Bish and Nits, love the TA and training resources. And I'm nuts about the history the flight sim is based on.
Thats enough for me. Thats all I want from the game and well worth the $15 a month I pay. I dont use the game to sour puss all the other things in life that dont go my way. To me the game is the escape from all that. I like teaming up with good folks and flying my cartoon WW-ll combat planes.
Thats enough. Thats plenty. :salute
That is truly all that matters :salute
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That is truly all that matters :salute
But I understand the other voices too. There IS! more ganging, hording, HO'ing, and general dweebery in the MAs nowadays. Sometimes it seems like all you have to choose from is what end on the horde to end up at. Thats why Ive been flying IL-2s a lot more. I prefer just droning along against GVs to all the ganging and HO'ing.
I myself dont bother with 200 smack talk after such dweebery. I think the core unit of quality sticks is still in the game , but I also believe there has been an increase in dweebery. Most of it score related. A lot of times I miss my bombers where it was often 1 on 1 and there was always time for a <S> afterwards.
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Typically getting rudder pedals, you'd want to fly more. I suck so bad now in every aspect I am less motivated to fly. Has anybody made the switch from years of use of keyboard rudders to pedals? If so, how long did it take for it to feel right? Also I'm very tall so I barely have enough room to use the pedals below my desk and joystick in front of me. <shrugs>
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Typically getting rudder pedals, you'd want to fly more. I suck so bad now in every aspect I am less motivated to fly. Has anybody made the switch from years of use of keyboard rudders to pedals? If so, how long did it take for it to feel right? Also I'm very tall so I barely have enough room to use the pedals below my desk and joystick in front of me. <shrugs>
It was very awkward at first, and then one day you no longer think about it. I think it took about a month to get used to the change. Later I tried using the keyboard just to remember what it's like, and the difference in control is night and day.
I'm only 5' 9" and I still feel kind of cramped under my desk... You can also consider a twisty stick, but I hear it's inferior to pedals.
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Typically getting rudder pedals, you'd want to fly more. I suck so bad now in every aspect I am less motivated to fly. Has anybody made the switch from years of use of keyboard rudders to pedals? If so, how long did it take for it to feel right? Also I'm very tall so I barely have enough room to use the pedals below my desk and joystick in front of me. <shrugs>
Took me about a week to get comfortable so I didn't have to think about it ... but of course the learning didn't stop at that point.
And I have a similar room problem... I'm very tall too, so actually my legs are quite awkwardly placed under the desk. I just can't put my feet on the pedals as it should be. Fortunately I have Simped pedals with a much wider spacing between them than CH ones.
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Same old moan why can't the game be like the way I want it :mad: It is what it is make the most of what we have go fly or do something else. When I see people complain of a lack of variety & then you see they do nothing else but fly one ride or drive one tank you only have your selves to blame.
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Some interesting comments....
I have no issues with those that want to play the current version of AH, I simply view it as a waste of time. You need look no farther then the thread below on "who is better" naming two squads who symbolize (IMO) literally everything wrong with the current game play...
We symbolize (IYO) literally everything wrong with the current game play......... hmmm.
Do you really think that you or anyone else that blames My Squad, Other Squads for the way we play this game has no blood on their hands for what this game has become...?
Your only fooling yourself if you think that two squads on the Bish side symbolizes EVERYTHING wrong with the game play. Your more of a fool than I thought you were.
Let me give you some insight on the WHY it is the way it is.
I have played on all 3 sides and they all do the same things. People like the bish for some reason, maybe the foods better, the company sure is and thats why I have stayed.
I am going to say something that you might not agree with, but its a fact. For some time now Bish have been and are the underdogs in this game, let me explain. They are ALWAYS outnumbered even when the country numbers are equal.
You say Outnumbered? Yes I say outnumbered. We have pointed that out many times that no matter if we have greater numbers or not, we are ALWAYS fighting two fronts due to the little or no activity between rooks and knits, since this is where most of our country swappers come from, they still end up fighting bish and not each other. Fact. If you need me to elaborate on this I will.
In so doing, This will change our tactics to push or thin the attackers fronts, thus NOE's are effective at doing that or they lose a base, many times nobody ups to defend it because they dont want to leave the comforts of thier picker friends, but I will say that lushe will. We dont enjoy doing them, but its what our alternative is under these circumstances.
Now we are doing more of our attacks with advanced notice and still taking bases, because we use most of your greed against you. Players like You dont like to die, we dont care if we die, its not about the score to us.
I dont see any of these types of posts complaining that your side does it? Why not? What about stealing cv's on a regular bases?
Its only an issue when Bish do it. :lol
Much more that I could explain as to the why it is the way it is,,, buts its just my opinion.
So, your idea that you somehow dont have anything to do with how things are and the way it is, you could not be more wrong since you participate in all the above and do nothing to correct it. Until then, players will continue to adjust and counter what you and others do. Blame me, blame the bish for hording, or noes, I dont care. My game play does not bother me, it bothers you. I am only doing what we can do to win against the circumstances we face.
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^^^ holy hyperbole batman.
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Same old moan why can't the game be like the way I want it :mad: It is what it is make the most of what we have go fly or do something else. When I see people complain of a lack of variety & then you see they do nothing else but fly one ride or drive one tank you only have your selves to blame.
I made an observation, not a "moan". Game play is not a function of a specific ride (or lack of), its a state of mind in the end. I'm simply commenting that a lot of people of long standing appear to be losing interest.
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Dadsguns,
1st I got in trouble for calling out ROX on the BBS, this is not by any means a "bishop" problem....its a game wide problem. I do not blame "your squad", I do however blame any/all large "digital dirt" style squads that promote and contribute to the hoard mentality. More and more the only choice seems to be to fly with the hoard or stand alone (or in small #'s) against it. It is increasingly hard to find a balanced fight.
As for "players like me", its pretty obvious from your comments that you don't know me very well. I could care less about score, rarely fly with the numbers and have no interest in "the war" so I'm not involved in any of the stuff you are ranting about.
What I'm really curious about is if you believe any of the drivel you posted. Just over the weekend I watched the bishops roll the northern portion of the map almost unopposed with 20/1 odds all morning...just you guys, the jokers and others vs a few guys. Now to be fair both the rooks and knights were doing the same thing elsewhere.
My post here is an attempt to "do something about it", but the reality is that everyone of the squads involved hide behind the same attitude you display. It's simply game play at an ever lowering standard.
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The gameplay has gone past critical mass.
The days of Aces High as an "air combat" sim are over, and have been for several years.
HT could make it more interesting by fleshing out the ground side of the game and changing the game mechanics so that air power is in more of a supporting role to the ground game, but I doubt that'll happen.
I think this will be the last game of its genre, sadly.
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I have to agree with Snap, its the large squads promoting the horde mentality that lead the rest of the game in that direction. It forces "most" of the other players to join a horde, or be rolled by one, neither of which is all that much fun.
Want to prove which squad is the better squad? Roll your mission with NEVER more than 10 guys to a target. Split your squad into wings and attack one base, while the rest of your squad de-acks and and kills the VH at the next target. Bring back the fights, and dissolve the horde ! Give the other guys a chance to fight against you instead of getting steam rolled by 3 to 1 odds all night.
The large squads can dictate what happens in the arenas, for good or for bad. These days most lean toward the bad. Poor game play, taking the path of lease resistance and so on. Some of you defend this as "this is war! we will use every advantage!" Sorry , but its a game, meant to be fun and enjoyable for everyone who wants to play. If the big squads continue the way they are going soon there will be no one left that will try to defend. It will be a race to see which countries hordes can capture bases the fastest to win the war..... Won't that be fun !
Its up to each player to make a difference. I do my part by avoiding HO's, asking if a teammate needs help before I jump in a fight. I'll jump in a goon or an M3 to run troops or supplies if someone yells out, I'll help flatten a town with buff instead of hitting a factory if called. I try to keep my temper on 200... this one is the toughest one at times :D Basically I don't crap in my sand box, I just try to have fun. If everyone else would stop crapping in the sand box it might not stink so bad. :aok
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I have to agree with Snap, its the large squads promoting the horde mentality that lead the rest of the game in that direction. It forces "most" of the other players to join a horde, or be rolled by one, neither of which is all that much fun.
Want to prove which squad is the better squad? Roll your mission with NEVER more than 10 guys to a target. Split your squad into wings and attack one base, while the rest of your squad de-acks and and kills the VH at the next target. Bring back the fights, and dissolve the horde ! Give the other guys a chance to fight against you instead of getting steam rolled by 3 to 1 odds all night.
The large squads can dictate what happens in the arenas, for good or for bad. These days most lean toward the bad. Poor game play, taking the path of lease resistance and so on. Some of you defend this as "this is war! we will use every advantage!" Sorry , but its a game, meant to be fun and enjoyable for everyone who wants to play. If the big squads continue the way they are going soon there will be no one left that will try to defend. It will be a race to see which countries hordes can capture bases the fastest to win the war..... Won't that be fun !
Its up to each player to make a difference. I do my part by avoiding HO's, asking if a teammate needs help before I jump in a fight. I'll jump in a goon or an M3 to run troops or supplies if someone yells out, I'll help flatten a town with buff instead of hitting a factory if called. I try to keep my temper on 200... this one is the toughest one at times :D Basically I don't crap in my sand box, I just try to have fun. If everyone else would stop crapping in the sand box it might not stink so bad. :aok
IMO, you are at the very least partially correct in the nature of the beast. These people who like hordes are missing all the fun,...>IMO< they should consider to move that mentality out of the MA and into scenarios where there are massive runs, with plans to follow and specific jobs and targets to hit that need to happen like clock work, cause it is :)
If they accept the concept that arenas are just for practice, it might move them into a new level or POV of the game\sim. If you want to max out on the illusion of war, mass raids and huge formations,.. then >I< suggest the next step to master would be events. By doing this in the MA only,... you actually limit yourself in immersion, and actually skill. The fights can be much more intense when you only have one life,.... they will fight for it.
Mastering just the MA is like mastering how to turn a car on, but never actually drive it anywhere. :)
Consider graduating to the next level?
MAs = Learn & Practice
Events = Apply
OTOH, they could also be viewed as practicing for the next event. <g> Dern loopholes.
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they should consider to move that mentality out of the MA and into scenarios where there are massive runs, with plans to follow and specific jobs and targets to hit that need to happen like clock work, cause it is :)
If they accept the concept that arenas are just for practice, it might move them into a new level or POV of the game\sim. If you want to max out on the illusion of war, mass raids and huge formations,.. then >I< suggest the next step to master would be events. By doing this in the MA only,... you actually limit yourself in immersion, and actually skill. The fights can be much more intense when you only have one life,.... they will fight for it.
QFT
This is what I fly for.
I die so much in the MA it's really tragic, but I crave the goal oriented discipline of the SEA where it does not matter so much how many you kill but if you survive and if your mission objectives are achieved.
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I have but one sentance for all the negative posters:
Quit complaining or one day they will give you something to complain about, IE: no game.
abeit Air Warriors. The complaining experts started the demise of that game.
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abeit Air Warriors. The complaining experts started the demise of that game.
AW died due to money, NOT complaints.
AW didn't have the money to upgrade and push the game to the next level, and EA wanted the code to use the on-line programming for all of their other games to make MORE money. They made a deal to get AW and then just took it off line because they got what they wanted.... the code.
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Dadsguns,
1st I got in trouble for calling out ROX on the BBS, this is not by any means a "bishop" problem....its a game wide problem. I do not blame "your squad", I do however blame any/all large "digital dirt" style squads that promote and contribute to the hoard mentality. More and more the only choice seems to be to fly with the hoard or stand alone (or in small #'s) against it. It is increasingly hard to find a balanced fight.
As for "players like me", its pretty obvious from your comments that you don't know me very well. I could care less about score, rarely fly with the numbers and have no interest in "the war" so I'm not involved in any of the stuff you are ranting about.
What I'm really curious about is if you believe any of the drivel you posted. Just over the weekend I watched the bishops roll the northern portion of the map almost unopposed with 20/1 odds all morning...just you guys, the jokers and others vs a few guys. Now to be fair both the rooks and knights were doing the same thing elsewhere.
My post here is an attempt to "do something about it", but the reality is that everyone of the squads involved hide behind the same attitude you display. It's simply game play at an ever lowering standard.
You carry a lot of hate, and you hide behind your own persona. I have nothing to hide, as to why I tried to explain to your one track mind of why you are getting what you get from my perspective.
Drivel? you use that term loosely. You might want to reflect upon yourself.
Till then, good luck.
Hordes can be determined and defined by many factors, I have seen each of you in one form of a horde or another. I find it ironic that you and others would complain about hording when in fact you do it yourselves.... :rolleyes:
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I'm curious, how is commenting on the evolution of game play "hate"? Further your comments to me talked about scoring, hiding CV's and other stuff that is not Germain to my original post. I also find your justification and defense (that your always outnumbered) both factually incorrect and immaterial to the discussion.
For discussions sake how do I "hide" behind a persona? Overall I'd say my actions are pretty straight forward and consistent, both in game ans on the BBS. As for the "each of you" comment there is only one of me and I do not constitute a "hoard". While we all fly with and against the numbers at times I'm pretty consistent in avoiding the obvious milk running scenarios....simply because I dont find them much fun. In the end I'd rather be 1 on 3 in my SBD then the 3rd guy "in" on a bogey in a F4U.
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I'm curious, how is commenting on the evolution of game play "hate"? Further your comments to me talked about scoring, hiding CV's and other stuff that is not Germain to my original post. I also find your justification and defense (that your always outnumbered) both factually incorrect and immaterial to the discussion.
For discussions sake how do I "hide" behind a persona? Overall I'd say my actions are pretty straight forward and consistent, both in game ans on the BBS. As for the "each of you" comment there is only one of me and I do not constitute a "hoard". While we all fly with and against the numbers at times I'm pretty consistent in avoiding the obvious milk running scenarios....simply because I dont find them much fun. In the end I'd rather be 1 on 3 in my SBD then the 3rd guy "in" on a bogey in a F4U.
I dont have the time nor willingness to spend my day picking this apart. It is what it is. Good luck.
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The gameplay has gone past critical mass.
The days of Aces High as an "air combat" sim are over, and have been for several years.
HT could make it more interesting by fleshing out the ground side of the game and changing the game mechanics so that air power is in more of a supporting role to the ground game, but I doubt that'll happen.
I think this will be the last game of its genre, sadly.
Agree...the "light at the end of the tunnel" seems to be dimming. :(
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I dont have the time nor willingness to spend my day picking this apart. It is what it is. Good luck.
Actually you have the time, just not the answers.
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I dont have the time nor willingness to spend my day picking this apart. It is what it is. Good luck.
I don't see what there is to pick apart. He has stated his opinion and you have stated yours. The difference is he seems to be willing to listen and discuss yours where as you are keeping a blind eye to anything he said and take it as a "personnel attack" on you and/or your squad. Short side story....
I was in the 444th Air Mafia in both AW, and here in AH. I was CO the last year in AW, and the first year here. We were always a big squad, and we were pretty potent on squad nights. Our attacks were both the "brute force" type, or the "tactical" types ( I always loved the tactical captures with the multiple wings with all the different launch times and stuff) We had a plan called the "Lightning Strike" 1 goon and the rest hvy P38's. 7 minutes from dar ring to capture 90% of the time.... yes it was NOE. We did it all, one group to capture a base while a second killed ack at another then left it alone to make it look like we didn't want it, then we'd sneak it with a couple of 110s and a goon. The one thing we never did, was run from a fight. We would regroup, build a new plan and attack again. Many a night we would fight some of the other great squads head to head all night for the same 2 or 3 bases. Hours of fun where had by all.
I know all about "big squads", I know all about grabbing bases (best in AW was 13 bases in 3 hours, AH I think was 7 in 3 hours). Not to mention when we teamed up with other squads. Today its a different story. Its NOE or nothing, its always cannon planes, and should a few guys up a defense.... well thats the signal to move on. I'd bet most don't know what the term "conga line" refers too. Its a shame how many times I've upped at a base flown my 20 miles to the biggest dar bar on the map only to find the attack failed and everyone has moved on to some other place on the map. Today, if I was a squad leader I would again put together big missions, but they would have multiple tasks, different objectives, but mostly they would be designed for fun both for the attacker, as well as any defenders that wished o play, that what a "game" is all about. Do you like playing chess against your 5 year old nephew because you can annihilate him? Or do you play against him to have some fun, by putting your queen in trouble at the first opportunity to see him have the fun a capturing it, and making it a bit more fun for you to work with out it.
Being able to run 10 NOE's and get 8 of them through is great, but the question here is... should you? Avoiding the fights, avoiding thinking up new tactical plans and executing them sounds like fun to you? If so, your missing out on a lot that this game has to offer. The "trait" of taking the easy way is slowly killing this game. Its much harder to show some "honor" and let a 1 vs 1 play out than it is to just dive in and cherry pick the easy kill. Its much harder to use your "group" tactically" than it is to use it as brute force in a horde. It's much harder to show a little class and make things fun for everyone than it is to just run another NOE "for your country".
Well that's what I think about how the honor, and class, or fair game play comes in to this game me. Its sorely missing these days.
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Gotta say first and foremost that:
A. Not into scores
B. couldn't care less about base captures.
C. I just like to have a fight.
With all that in mind, I thought I'd grab some extra nits last night, find a fight and have some fun- 'Fighter sweep" would be what you could loosely call it, Anyway, stuck it up on the mission thingy to get some bodies and before long, the arm chair Generals were on and they were not happy, "where you going?" "Where's the ord loadout?" etc etc, I tried to expalin that it was basically a few guys launching together, find some cons, mix it up and have some fun, Strange concept for some folks I know, but not all of us like to fly with mass quantities of guys, dive on some con on his own, capture bases, drop hangers, run or extend when in some trouble, swoop down on a guy already engaged, preserve scores/ranks and all these k/d and what ever else gets worshipped at the Temple of Rank.
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Gotta say first and foremost that:
A. Not into scores
B. couldn't care less about base captures.
C. I just like to have a fight.
With all that in mind, I thought I'd grab some extra nits last night, find a fight and have some fun- 'Fighter sweep" would be what you could loosely call it, Anyway, stuck it up on the mission thingy to get some bodies and before long, the arm chair Generals were on and they were not happy, "where you going?" "Where's the ord loadout?" etc etc, I tried to expalin that it was basically a few guys launching together, find some cons, mix it up and have some fun, Strange concept for some folks I know, but not all of us like to fly with mass quantities of guys, dive on some con on his own, capture bases, drop hangers, run or extend when in some trouble, swoop down on a guy already engaged, preserve scores/ranks and all these k/d and what ever else gets worshipped at the Temple of Rank.
Itunes, I believe you. :salute
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I have to agree with Snap, its the large squads promoting the horde mentality that lead the rest of the game in that direction. It forces "most" of the other players to join a horde, or be rolled by one, neither of which is all that much fun.
Want to prove which squad is the better squad? Roll your mission with NEVER more than 10 guys to a target. Split your squad into wings and attack one base, while the rest of your squad de-acks and and kills the VH at the next target. Bring back the fights, and dissolve the horde ! Give the other guys a chance to fight against you instead of getting steam rolled by 3 to 1 odds all night.
The large squads can dictate what happens in the arenas, for good or for bad. These days most lean toward the bad. Poor game play, taking the path of lease resistance and so on. Some of you defend this as "this is war! we will use every advantage!" Sorry , but its a game, meant to be fun and enjoyable for everyone who wants to play. If the big squads continue the way they are going soon there will be no one left that will try to defend. It will be a race to see which countries hordes can capture bases the fastest to win the war..... Won't that be fun !
Its up to each player to make a difference. I do my part by avoiding HO's, asking if a teammate needs help before I jump in a fight. I'll jump in a goon or an M3 to run troops or supplies if someone yells out, I'll help flatten a town with buff instead of hitting a factory if called. I try to keep my temper on 200... this one is the toughest one at times :D Basically I don't crap in my sand box, I just try to have fun. If everyone else would stop crapping in the sand box it might not stink so bad. :aok
I owned the Air Mafia in those days. (Skyrocks Shade) Only kidding. I think nothing but the best of Rusty007, GS (Gumshoe), Fryman, Panman, and one of the Co's. Can't remember his name but it may have been TA something or another.
They ran NOE's back then and they horded terribly. Remember the Air Pirates. Huge herd. Mostly they used b26s to deack the field in NOE's and then drop troops. Could be done rather fast. In those days I just flew fighter. Almost never flew bombers until my squad started complaining. Rarely if ever captured a field. One of the all time camping tricks was to land a b26 on a cv and shoot the planes upping.
Frankly I enjoy this game immensely. I'm not out to change it or the way people enjoy it. When I want fights I just up a fighter and go look for them. If I want to bomb I bomb, if I want to capture a base I will go to any length to get it done with in the confines of the game. Mostly I enjoy the team aspects of the game, my squaddies, and the strategy involved. If that be NOE's fine, Hording fine, massive bomber mission or fighter mission or what ever the method to take the base. All good by me. They all have weaknesses and that could be the very people in them. NOE's are the weakest of them all but yet effective. If some one spots the mission or if some one pops that is all it takes to fail. Then you're stuck with mostly slow and less maneuverable planes trying to fight spits, la7s and heaven knows what else. Further I have seen so many NOE missions where the goons crash or where some one hits a tree. Maybe even several hit a trees. Bomber missions are fun to defend against. Nothing like big juicy buffs to shoot at. Jabo missions, hehehe, Also effective but gosh most don't plan their escape very well. Fighter missions, well what can one say isn't that what many of the complaints center around. That's instant furball right there. Oh it may start at 20k but I bet most kills are on the deck. Just to give an example of what can go wrong NOE. I put up an NOE mission to take 95 on the trinity map. Didn't get very many to join but had 1 fighter, me in a N1k1, and about 6 or 7 110s. My orders were to stay on the deck and to plow through the town with out popping on the first pass. Well, they plowed through the town and then plowed through the base ack UH? and everyone died except me who was trying to take the town down with the N1k1. :rofl :rofl :rofl
The one huge difference between then and now is that back then we complained all the time about warping. You warped, no I didn't. Yes you did, You're just mad because I'm a better fighter than you, and on it went.
Now people chronically complain to either troll or to try to lay some babyish parental guilt trip. May I suggest that if they do have a viable issue that they should put a viable solution in the wish list forum. We've seen many changes to the base capture system over the years.
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Where at in the great Commonwealth Saur?
McLean.
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I don't see what there is to pick apart. He has stated his opinion and you have stated yours. The difference is he seems to be willing to listen and discuss yours where as you are keeping a blind eye to anything he said and take it as a "personnel attack" on you and/or your squad. Short side story....
I was in the 444th Air Mafia in both AW, and here in AH. I was CO the last year in AW, and the first year here. We were always a big squad, and we were pretty potent on squad nights. Our attacks were both the "brute force" type, or the "tactical" types ( I always loved the tactical captures with the multiple wings with all the different launch times and stuff) We had a plan called the "Lightning Strike" 1 goon and the rest hvy P38's. 7 minutes from dar ring to capture 90% of the time.... yes it was NOE. We did it all, one group to capture a base while a second killed ack at another then left it alone to make it look like we didn't want it, then we'd sneak it with a couple of 110s and a goon. The one thing we never did, was run from a fight. We would regroup, build a new plan and attack again. Many a night we would fight some of the other great squads head to head all night for the same 2 or 3 bases. Hours of fun where had by all.
I know all about "big squads", I know all about grabbing bases (best in AW was 13 bases in 3 hours, AH I think was 7 in 3 hours). Not to mention when we teamed up with other squads. Today its a different story. Its NOE or nothing, its always cannon planes, and should a few guys up a defense.... well thats the signal to move on. I'd bet most don't know what the term "conga line" refers too. Its a shame how many times I've upped at a base flown my 20 miles to the biggest dar bar on the map only to find the attack failed and everyone has moved on to some other place on the map. Today, if I was a squad leader I would again put together big missions, but they would have multiple tasks, different objectives, but mostly they would be designed for fun both for the attacker, as well as any defenders that wished o play, that what a "game" is all about. Do you like playing chess against your 5 year old nephew because you can annihilate him? Or do you play against him to have some fun, by putting your queen in trouble at the first opportunity to see him have the fun a capturing it, and making it a bit more fun for you to work with out it.
Being able to run 10 NOE's and get 8 of them through is great, but the question here is... should you? Avoiding the fights, avoiding thinking up new tactical plans and executing them sounds like fun to you? If so, your missing out on a lot that this game has to offer. The "trait" of taking the easy way is slowly killing this game. Its much harder to show some "honor" and let a 1 vs 1 play out than it is to just dive in and cherry pick the easy kill. Its much harder to use your "group" tactically" than it is to use it as brute force in a horde. It's much harder to show a little class and make things fun for everyone than it is to just run another NOE "for your country".
Well that's what I think about how the honor, and class, or fair game play comes in to this game me. Its sorely missing these days.
Fugitive let me make sure I understand this. Not trying to start anything, but I have been led to believe, maybe not in actual words, that NOE's and Hordes are a new thing to the game. So this actually occurred in the AW days?
Pondering
Fred
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LOL!!! trust me they haven't come up with anything "new" in a long time. NOE's are a good plan. They are used with small attack forces to either do a quick "smash and grab" while the enemy is defending a near-by base to deprive the enemy of quick resupply from it, or as a diversion to draw enemy away from the main attack. The idea is to use it in conjunction with a main attack near-by. The problem today is some squads use it as the ONLY mission in their bag. The surprise factor of the plan is now gone.