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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: Squire on January 02, 2009, 12:15:08 AM
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*Registration will open Jan 2nd, side assignments and CiCs will be on Jan 9th, and frame 1 will commence Jan 16th*
Bougainville Privateers: Solomons 1943
As 1943 drew on Imperial Japan was forced to rethink its war strategy in view of the Allied successes in New Guinea and Guadalcanal, especially on the heels of her catastrophic defeat at Midway the previous year. Everywhere in the Pacific Japan's forces were stretched too thin. Contraction of the Empire's territories seemed the only answer while buying time for defensive preparations to thwart the renewed Allied strategic offensives Japan's GHQ knew would come. In the Pacific Area Nimitz was preparing to assault the Gilbert Islands. In the South West Pacific Area MacArthur was continuing the clearance of the New Guinea coast supported by Halsey's South Pacific Area which aimed to overrun the Bismarck Archipelago. In the Solomons, Halsey was driving up the island chain to capture New Georgia and Bougainville and further isolate Japan's fortress base at Rabaul in New Britain.
By the time the U.S. was preparing to invade Bougainville in September of 1943 both sides were deploying improved fighters in quantity. Examples included the P-38 Lightning and the F4U-1 Corsair, which joined the stalwarts like the venerable P-39 and P-40. On the Japanese side veteran fighters like the Ki-61 Hien were joined by the improved A6M5 'Type 0' making its combat debut. Aces from both sides, like Warrant Officer Hiroshi Okano of the IJNAFs 201st Air Group and USMC 1st Lt. Edwin L Olander of VMF-214 would often find action over "The Slot". This event will recreate the contest that took place between the opposing air fleets as they fought a grinding war of attrition in the hostile skies between Bougainville and Guadalcanal in that fall of 1943.
Country Percentages:
Axis 52.5%
Allied 47.5%
Field Assignments:
Axis Bishop
Allied Knight
CM Rook
OOB:
Allied (USAAF/USN/USMC/RNZAF):
P-38G (max 48, no rockets)
P-40E (max 48)
P-39D
F4U-1A (max 32)
F4U-1 (max 32)
SBD-5
B-25C
B-24J (max 18 with no formations)
Axis (IJAAF/IJN):
A6M5 (max 120)
A6M2
Ki-61 (max 64)
Ki-67 (min 24 *players*)
D3A (may reup with 2nd lives at T+60 min in A6M5s)
Special Rules and Ordnance Restrictions:
All aircraft types must be used in all three frames with a minimum of *12 players* per type. Bombs larger than 500 lbs are not permitted for the Allied side, with the sole exception of the SBD Dauntless, which may carry a 1000 lb bomb load. The P-38 cannot use rockets. B-24s cannot use formations. D3A players (only) may reup at T+60 in A6M5s. All other ordnance options are allowed by both sides. All normal FSO rules apply.
Scoring:
Aircraft Pts
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Four engined bombers: 10 pts
Twin engined bombers: 5 pts
All other aircraft: 2 pts
Ground Target Pts
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0.062 = Gun
0.062 = Mannable Gun
3.125 = Ammo Bunker
3.125 = Fuel Bunker
3.125 = Barracks
3.125 = Radar
27.812 = Vehicle Hangar
27.812 = Fighter Hangar
27.812 = Bomber Hangar
3.125 = Town Building
3.125 = Factory at strategic target
0.781 = Truck in convoy
1.562 = Train
40 = Destroyer
75 = Cruiser
Arena Settings:
- Slot2 Map
- Fuel burn 1.0
- Icons short (3k)
- 0.3 Ack
- Fighter and Bomber warning range 42,000 (about 8 miles)
- Tower range set to 42,000 (for display only to match the above setting)
- Haze/fog full visability (17 miles)
- Radar off
- Enemy Collisions On
- Friendly collisions off
- Killshooter off
- Time: 15:00 ( 3PM ) Game Clock
- Formations: On
- Bomber calibration: Auto ( MA style )
- Wind: 0-2K NO WIND
2-10K NE TO SW - Speed 5
10-18K NE TO SW - Speed 5
18K+ N TO S - Speed 10
Designer's Notes: The Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) operated P-40s from Solomons bases in this campaign. The Ki-67 is a stand in for other mid war IJAAF bombers like the Ki-49 "Dinah". The A6M5 was operational at this time as was the A6M3 which it stands in for. 500 lb bombs were the norm during this time period for the Allies.
You can contact all the squads on your side here:
http://ahevents.org/fso_email/mail_address.html
Please note the updated rules:
http://ahevents.org/fso-related/fso-rules.html
Design by Warloc
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Please update your side prefs ect this week after reg is opened on Friday, thx.
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We REALLY need the G4M for setups like this. Ki-67s are really no substitute.
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And freighters/troopships along with tankers etc..
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And freighters/troopships along with tankers etc..
Fencer, after discussion with my Grandfather, he was there and would tend to agree with you since he refueled Bull Halsey's ship oin more than one occasion.
I suggest we start with this tanker............USS Monongahela AO-42
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/monongahela-1.jpg)
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USS Monongahela AO-42 ahh that's a pretty famous tanker too. Its just frustrating that so much revolved around these types of ships for special events and the current task forces are just not entirely suitable for replacement.. although we make it work.. poorly at times.
I love the naming system the US Navy used to have, until it became policy to name ships after politicians.
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USS Monongahela AO-42 ahh that's a pretty famous tanker too. Its just frustrating that so much revolved around these types of ships for special events and the current task forces are just not entirely suitable for replacement.. although we make it work.. poorly at times.
I love the naming system the US Navy used to have, until it became policy to name ships after politicians.
USS OBAMA
It already sunk
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USS Monongahela AO-42 ahh that's a pretty famous tanker too. Its just frustrating that so much revolved around these types of ships for special events and the current task forces are just not entirely suitable for replacement.. although we make it work.. poorly at times.
I love the naming system the US Navy used to have, until it became policy to name ships after politicians.
Yeah, that was the tanker he was on.
Just finished a shadowbox for him for Christmas. It's at home (I'm at work) or I would take a pic of it and post it.
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We REALLY need the G4M for setups like this. Ki-67s are really no substitute.
So why hasn't HTC gotten on the ball in providing the plane sets we need/want? It's not like they don't have the artists or the talent to create them... now is it?
:furious
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You guys need to remember, there is alot more in creating a new AC in AH than talent and art work.
AH's golden attribute, and one that is not shared by any other flight sim that I am aware of, is flight modeling . This is a very detailed process, especial in AH, and can take a LOT of research and time. Often is the case that not enough flight information can be obtained about a certain AC for AH to model it's flight characteristics up to AH standards, and it is MHO, that this should NOT be compromised in AH.
I do not think this will be the case with the G4M, but it will still require a lot of time and work to make that (and other) new AC.
Be patient, they will be along. :)
Soon I hope ;)
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Be patient, they will be along. :)
Soon I hope ;)
Sled,
You just HAD to know this was coming.......2 weeks!
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Sled,
You just HAD to know this was coming.......2 weeks!
Now that's funny HB.....
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You guys need to remember, there is alot more in creating a new AC in AH than talent and art work.
I do not think this will be the case with the G4M, but it will still require a lot of time and work to make that (and other) new AC.
Be patient, they will be along. :)
Talent as in programmers.
G4M is long overdue.
We've been patient for 5 years.
[/hijack]
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Squad info updated.
Looks like a fun FSO Squire. Well done! :aok We are due for Axis. ;)
Does the 2nd life via the D3A count toward the 120 max of A6M5?
Fleet hardness the MA standard?
Country Percentages:
Axis 52.5%
Allied 47.5%
Not sure how or why you came up with such a percent. It is tough to get them within 5% of a target split, .5% will be real hard. :salute
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We started doing that when FSO started hitting 500 people.
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VMF-251 info updated. F4Us, here we come. :aok
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"Does the 2nd life via the D3A count toward the 120 max of A6M5?" - No, counted seperately.
The Fleet Hardness settings im still looking at, but by the time of the objectives being sent, it will be decided and posted.
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Not sure how or why you came up with such a percent. It is tough to get them within 5% of a target split, .5% will be real hard. :salute
As you know side split is done by the Admins and if they want to use .5%, do the math and the squad juggling then by all means have at it. Its always been tough to get squads split in a way that helps the event work, it might be a benefit to them.
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The side split equates to a 5 percent #s advantage for the Axis (52.5-47.5) its something we aim for, but as you all know, FSO attendance #s cannot be strictly controlled, so dont worry about it. Its a "target" for side #s, thats all.
50/50 splits are the most common, look at the logs and see how many frames there were with exactly the same #s on both sides, with close to 500 players committed.
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Rgr. I just thought it was odd that you would go try for 1/2 percents. :salute
As you see fit.
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JG2 updated :aok
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USS Monongahela AO-42 ahh that's a pretty famous tanker too. Its just frustrating that so much revolved around these types of ships for special events and the current task forces are just not entirely suitable for replacement.. although we make it work.. poorly at times.
I love the naming system the US Navy used to have, until it became policy to name ships after politicians.
Finally got around to taking a picture. :aok
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/GrandpopShadowbox.jpg)
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Finally got around to taking a picture. :aok
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/GrandpopShadowbox.jpg)
Very cool Von. A big Salute to your Opa.
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367th updated.
very cool VonMessa :aok
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613th Updated.
Nice Vonmessa :salute
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Nice Von.
Side Updated. :salute
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Duxford Wing RAF updated!
FWIW... my grandfather [a certain Lt Col. Darrell "Bud" Gray, USAF (ret.)] flew a B24 (B24D, iirc) was involved in the Bougainville campaign, he flew a B24 (D model, iirc). Most of his runs were vs Jap shipping, but a few were vs static defenses. The runs vs the shipping were all "low level". All of his escorts were RAAF/RNZAF P40's, and he never saw a Jap fighter ("in the air" he'd say with a smirk), but he did see and feel a lot of ack-ack. On one mission, ack-ack got one wing bad enough to ruin airleron control and he also spoke of having windows smashed in. After 18 missions (all up and down the "slot"), he was promoted to Major and was able to chauffeur a certain Lt. Gen Millard F. Harmon around the south PTO in an unarmed B24 called "My Ever Lovin' Dove". He did that and ferried some B24's and B17's from San Fran to HI on a few occasions until early 1945, then g'pa was rotated home.
Guess what plane Duxford Wing requested to be able to fly at some point in the FSO? ;)
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412th updated.
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TAC Drivers, registered and ready for our first FSO. :aok
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TAC Drivers, registered and ready for our first FSO. :aok
Welcome TAC Drivers.
Good Hunting. :rock
JG11 updated.
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TAC Drivers, registered and ready for our first FSO. :aok
Hey WELCOME !! :salute
FSO the true secrete of HTC
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CLAIM JUMPERS updated
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TAC Drivers, registered and ready for our first FSO. :aok
Welcome!
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ORDERS? Anyone? Anywhere? :)
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Next Week Jan 16th :aok
Cheers,
gusman44
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ORDERS? Anyone? Anywhere? :)
Orders will be drawn up after the objectives go out. Expect them after Tuesday
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Is it the 16th yet? :pray
:noid
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Just curious, wouldn't there have been P-47s at this stage during the war?
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p-47 were need in europe more because of there long range and they could escort further then anything they had
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There were P-47s, but they were based in New Guinea (348th FG), not the Solomons. That being said, because an a/c may have been present, does not guarantee its inclusion in any particular design, there are a # of factors that have to be met. Im sure P-47s will be making an appearance again in a Pacific FSO at some point.
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So, I didn't see this anywhere, but are you still using the Ki67 or was that switched out with something that the US planeset can actually catch?
P-38G (max 48, no rockets)
P-40E (max 48)
P-39D
F4U-1A (max 32)
F4U-1 (max 32)
SBD-5
B-25C
B-24J (max 18 with no formations)
Of those probably only the F4us have a decent chance at catching them.
On the same note, none of the axis planeset can currently catch a B-24:
Axis (IJAAF/IJN):
A6M5 (max 120)
A6M2
Ki-61 (max 64)
Ki-67 (min 24 *players*)
D3A (may reup with 2nd lives at T+60 min in A6M5s)
Except maybe the Ki67s lol!!
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So, I didn't see this anywhere, but are you still using the Ki67 or was that switched out with something that the US planeset can actually catch?
P-38G (max 48, no rockets)
P-40E (max 48)
P-39D
F4U-1A (max 32)
F4U-1 (max 32)
SBD-5
B-25C
B-24J (max 18 with no formations)
Of those probably only the F4us have a decent chance at catching them.
On the same note, none of the axis planeset can currently catch a B-24:
Axis (IJAAF/IJN):
A6M5 (max 120)
A6M2
Ki-61 (max 64)
Ki-67 (min 24 *players*)
D3A (may reup with 2nd lives at T+60 min in A6M5s)
Except maybe the Ki67s lol!!
F4U and P38G will be able to catch them. Also P40E can outdive the KI67.
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P-40E can barely catch a B-25C, which is 30mph slower than the Ki. I know this because I tried chasing some down in the MWA a while back. It can dive, sure, but it takes it half an hour to get to 20k :D
So you're talking only 1-2 dives per frame, assuming they're not driven off by any zekes. In that case they can't re-engage the bombers again.
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I keep saying there needs to be a tighter leash to stop the max-power buff formations (never mind when those buff formations start diving to evade from enemy fighters without losing their drones).
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I keep saying there needs to be a tighter leash to stop the max-power buff formations (never mind when those buff formations start diving to evade from enemy fighters without losing their drones).
Amen to that. And the ones that porpoise up and down wildly, erratically, and the ones that perform immelmans and turn 180 without losing their drones (they warp like hell to keep up, but they stay with the lead).
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Amen to that. And the ones that porpoise up and down wildly, erratically, and the ones that perform immelmans and turn 180 without losing their drones (they warp like hell to keep up, but they stay with the lead).
About the only way to regulate engine settings in bombers that would otherwise go max throttle for bombing runs would be to regulate the amount of fuel they are allowed so they MUST pull back on the manifold pressure and RPM's. All it would take is for one of the designers to take up each and every bomber under the peramters of the arena settings and gauge it out. I'd help with that data gathering. I'm tired of historical scenarios being the brunt of jokes because they are not accurate but to the models of planes being used (i.e. bombers didnt fly bombing runs with full throttle). In the Battle of Britain, the Hurri's and Spit's didnt have but one swipe before the Ju88 was out of reach. It appears as if in this scenario the same thing could very well happen.
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About the only way to regulate engine settings in bombers that would otherwise go max throttle for bombing runs would be to regulate the amount of fuel they are allowed so they MUST pull back on the manifold pressure and RPM's. All it would take is for one of the designers to take up each and every bomber under the peramters of the arena settings and gauge it out. I'd help with that data gathering. I'm tired of historical scenarios being the brunt of jokes because they are not accurate but to the models of planes being used (i.e. bombers didnt fly bombing runs with full throttle). In the Battle of Britain, the Hurri's and Spit's didnt have but one swipe before the Ju88 was out of reach. It appears as if in this scenario the same thing could very well happen.
Everytime I've been in a buff formation for a scenario we have never run at full throttle. It is impossible to keep 8+ people in formation if your lead is running anywhere near full throttle. Ask Kermit, the seasoned cat herder.
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About the only way to regulate engine settings in bombers that would otherwise go max throttle for bombing runs would be to regulate the amount of fuel they are allowed so they MUST pull back on the manifold pressure and RPM's. All it would take is for one of the designers to take up each and every bomber under the peramters of the arena settings and gauge it out. I'd help with that data gathering. I'm tired of historical scenarios being the brunt of jokes because they are not accurate but to the models of planes being used (i.e. bombers didnt fly bombing runs with full throttle). In the Battle of Britain, the Hurri's and Spit's didnt have but one swipe before the Ju88 was out of reach. It appears as if in this scenario the same thing could very well happen.
Making drones go poof if a pilot exceeds the bomber's typical level cruise speed would certainly help. Or you could impose a hard speed limit, at which point drones instantly pop regardless of plane type (say, anything over 280mph).
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That would reduce the ability of bomber formations to dive so fast even fighters are creaking to chase them. Did you know the Ki67 can dive in excess of 400mph without losing any parts? It only starts creaking at that speed, and will keep a formation.
B24s and other bombers can go almost as fast, 350 TAS.
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Everytime I've been in a buff formation for a scenario we have never run at full throttle. It is impossible to keep 8+ people in formation if your lead is running anywhere near full throttle. Ask Kermit, the seasoned cat herder.
Sure, the lead is going to cut throttle toa small degree to allow everyone to catch up and maintain proper formation, etc. However, if the max speed of the B24J in AH2 is 265mph at 15k (I didnt look up the number Im just throwing these out for ska of an example), I doubt the flight lead is cutting throttle back to actual true air speed is of a historical value (i.e. 180-200mph, iirc). No, I doubt it, I'd be willing to be that those "reduced" air speeds are still 250mph plus when max is 265mph.
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Sure, the lead is going to cut throttle toa small degree to allow everyone to catch up and maintain proper formation, etc. However, if the max speed of the B24J in AH2 is 265mph at 15k (I didnt look up the number Im just throwing these out for ska of an example), I doubt the flight lead is cutting throttle back to actual true air speed is of a historical value (i.e. 180-200mph, iirc). No, I doubt it, I'd be willing to be that those "reduced" air speeds are still 250mph plus when max is 265mph.
Again I'm going to disagree. The large formations of multiple bomber pilots are easy pickings if they run at or close to full throttle. Their spacing easily opens up, god forbid they need to attempt a turn, and they generally have to worry more about placement as opposed to gunning.
I've flown bombers with formations in multiple scenarios and FSO's. We often will be found with our throttles back to cruise.
It is more of an issue with me in the MAs where it is often a single formation of unescorted bombers with the throttle firewalled. If they start a shallow dive good luck getting many passes on them.
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Again I'm going to disagree. The large formations of multiple bomber pilots are easy pickings if they run at or close to full throttle. Their spacing easily opens up, god forbid they need to attempt a turn, and they generally have to worry more about placement as opposed to gunning.
I've flown bombers with formations in multiple scenarios and FSO's. We often will be found with our throttles back to cruise.
It is more of an issue with me in the MAs where it is often a single formation of unescorted bombers with the throttle firewalled. If they start a shallow dive good luck getting many passes on them.
You must not have flown in the Battle of Britain scenario then. ;) We got one swipe in our Spit I's at the Ju88's prior to being left in the dust. Even when we were able to get alt and come down fast, we usually didnt get a second chance because the Ju88's were truckin'. As Krusty pointed out, in Bougainville the B24's will be able to almsot match or outrun all but the "Franks".
Historically, bombers cruised at under 200mph for bombing runs. While there are obviously exceptions to the rule, the overwhelming majority of bomber formations in AH2, scenario or MA, run at 90+% throttle during bombing runs.